Open 695: Making Friends and Enemies [Mafia Win!]

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve misread CommKnight before (at least I think I was wrong. I was night killed, so I don’t remember.) I’m just going to state he’s town because it seems easier than dealing with him right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

@CommKnight: While I'm still playing: So, do you agree to the following?

- If I sheep your vote this turn, and (y)our target is lynched, and flips TOWN, then you agree that YOU will be the lynch tomorrow, and to that ens, will vote for yourself tomorrow in those circumstances?

I always hate these kind of things. The “you agree to be the lynch”. If town mislynches someone, they should still never agree to that. Fix it and analyze where scum went, don’t cause town to lose two people.

Nonetheless, Jamiet is town. This usually comes from town, and I don’t see this as a scum ploy.

[Flavor Leaf]

"Such an awkward opening" VOTE: jamiet!

You’re another Open Queue regular.

Why is that an awkward opening? It’s just an opening. What isn’t an awkward opening?

[Flavor Leaf]

I am TRing Quick but holy hell, Comm is convincing. I'm currently thinking Quick v Comm is TvT.

Mixed in with the disappointment AtE comment, and someone explaining they thought she plays like a scum IC, I tend to want to lean scum here. You remind me of a less analytical Cabd, which means I’m likely to scum read you no matter what, so I’ll have to wait for further things and use logic here over gut/tone.

[Flavor Leaf]

Solid. I know where I want to go.

VOTE: Lucca

This slot is fabricating and fluffing all over the place. Pushing meh content onto the lurkers, and is just really spouting stuff. I see a lot of people town read players like these, a la Brian Skies. It’s rather strong because even when they are pressured they easily can brush it off and hide behind their wall posts, which people generally want to town read, but are extremely easy to fake as scum in practice. I can link a giant wall post I’ve made as scum before, multiple, but I have one in mind. Scum typically like to fantasize about potential things, so they can make a case based on all hypotheticals, which helps “explain” why certain people are scum. Wall posts also help scum keep track of their reads and whatnot, and they can just build their fabricated trajectories on top of each other, like a waffle, where some pockets have less syrup in them, but others overflow. You can see the emptier, less soggy parts of the waffle, and then put the syrup where it’s needed.

[Aubrey]

"Such an awkward opening" VOTE: jamiet!

You’re another Open Queue regular.

Why is that an awkward opening? It’s just an opening. What isn’t an awkward opening?

Inside joke. If you're really curious, you can view the previous thread to understand it.

[Aubrey]

I’m just going to state he’s town because it seems easier than dealing with him right now.

LMFAO

[Flavor Leaf]

Fair enough.

I don’t like Maki’s and Lucca’s back and forth a few pages back. Something about it’s weird to me.
The whole both could be scum/one of them likely is scum seems like theatre bailing each other out, and allowing both onto multiple mislynches with reasoning, while distancing away from each other.

[Awoo]

...379 holy shit you just described my scumgame wtf?

[Awoo]

I thought that strategy was foolproof

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought that strategy was foolproof

It is foolproof. But people who aren’t fools will be able to look beyond that.

[Awoo]

Suddenly I'm glad I didn't roll scum

[Aubrey]

I'd like examples from Flavor personally. Wall posting isn't scummy in itself, and that seems to be partial to his suspicion. I'd like to see what he is seeing as fluffing and fabricating. I didn't mind Lucca giving out all his reads onto players, simply because it limits movability for scum inherently.

[Aubrey]

Fair enough.

I don’t like Maki’s and Lucca’s back and forth a few pages back. Something about it’s weird to me.
The whole both could be scum/one of them likely is scum seems like theatre bailing each other out, and allowing both onto multiple mislynches with reasoning, while distancing away from each other.

or is this where you're solely pulling that from?

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s in addition to. His reads list just seem very fabricated and very surface level to me, and if you know me as a player, I dont take anything or believe anything as surface level. I explained what I think is beneath the surface in my other post (the reasoning to why I believe it’s coming from scum. ) the reasoning behind his comm and assemble were way too easy to make, yet they wouldn’t be questioned any further for one example. I’ll quote more.

Don’t chainsaw me, though, Aubrey. It’s not cute. I hope that’s not what that is by you, haha.

[Aubrey]

I've never understood what people mean by chainsaw, nor do I really care to. It's like people screaming OMGUS every time they turn around like it actually means something and worth acting on. Regardless, Lucca doesn't interest me right now based on a generic view I have for scum and town. If he's scum, he's tying his hands behind his back by giving reads like he is. More likely to come from a town mindset in my opinion.

[Aubrey]

So I lied and got curious.

"

a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker

". Where the hell did people come up with the term "chainsaw" for this. Shield & Sword would be such a better term.

[Chisa Yukizome]

fuck it reading isn't working well so I'm going to self iso and go from there

if anyone's here post smth and I'll talk to you when I open a new page

[Flavor Leaf]

So I lied and got curious.

"

a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker

". Where the hell did people come up with the term "chainsaw" for this. Shield & Sword would be such a better term.

Think of it like a Player B attacking Player A, and then Player C attacks Player B. If you draw the points out with arrows, it just continually revolves around the same chain, similar to a chainsaw fashion.

[Chisa Yukizome]

quick: v. will watch but
seriously don't lynch please
awoo, Jamie, cheeky I'll look back on but my first impression of them stands esp the former two
flavor talk to me about lucca; half of the shit he posts looks super towny and the other half bleeds scum to me looking at his iso(mostly scummy things fluff/the insistence on caring about questioning the logic behind him!scum; town mostly tonal minutiae but that's too often enough)
no longer want to vote comm, not unvoting anyway
haven't actually read most of the thread cba

content before I sleep promise not completed; expect more

disclaimer: despite being est my sleep schedule is shot to hell

[Chisa Yukizome]

flavor talk to me about lucca;

besides "fluffy" which I didn't rly read into his iso enough to agree/disagree with(and don't doubt)

[CommKnight]

I’ve misread CommKnight before (at least I think I was wrong. I was night killed, so I don’t remember.) I’m just going to state he’s town because it seems easier than dealing with him right now.

Now this had me curious so I dived into your topics to find which game we shared.

Shibu Inus - The one where I was jailor, I replaced someone who outed my role before I replaced in and I died before you...

This is the only game I can see us sharing. Unless you're an alt, we legit share no other games together.

So I guess MY question is... how could you misread a slot which was already outed role wise and then brush it off? Sorry, but you're reading as buddying now when it's mixed with what Assemble said before he replaced out.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Chisa - I'll get to you in a little bit.

I'm Boonskiies, Comm.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm buddying you now? I just don't feel like dealing with reading you Day 1 is all. You said so yourself that your scum game is good, so I should be paranoid even if I town read you, right? You'd almost certainly not be caught Day 1 if your scum game is how you say it is, so why bother dealing with that right now in that case?

[Flavor Leaf]

I honestly don't get how you see buddying out of that.