Mini Normal 1952: Dragon's Dance [OVER - PERFECT SCUM WIN]

[Boonskiies]

We are the epitome of TvT.

[Boonskiies]

If you mislynch me, you need to take responsibility for this, because I am doing everything I can to try and help you read me correctly, and you are actively choosing not to take it in.

[Lalendra]

It's also completely possible that he was crumbing a fakeclaim.

P-edit: I think you're right that it's TvT.

[Boonskiies]

Say it’s manipulative as hell, but if I flip, you are proven 100% wrong, and it will confirm that there was absolutely nothing else I could do to help you read me.

What do you want me to do, LQ?

Pretend I flipped already, and we’re in the future. What would you have wanted me to do this day phase to help you read me correctly? As town, scum hunting isn’t the only thing you’re supposed to do, you’re also supposed to make sure other townies can read you correctly, and I am desperately trying to make you see that I am town.

[Boonskiies]

You also tried to get me to explain the no kill. I’m town. I can’t explain it, because I can’t be sure what happened. There are plenty of things that could have happened, and the fact that you somehow scum read me because of it doesn’t make sense,

You were an outed Vigilante, who claimed you were looking to shoot within Luv/Schadd. Easily could have been roleblocked in that case.

If I was scum and had protection, why would I be the one protected in that case? It didn’t look like I was going to be shot at.

If I was BP or the like, why would I have been crumbing Vanilla Cop?

This isn’t WIFOM; I actually want you to answer these questions. You don’t have to do it in thread, but at least ask it to yourself.

Occam’s razor, dude.

[Boonskiies]

I am willing to vote Acid.

The things is tho, that if Acid flips Town, I will then be directing my attention toward Chill.

Yet another reason to have shot at Tchill, and was expected of it. The logical vig targets were Tchill, Luv, and Schadd, just based on the way you were playing. If either of them were scum, it would be enough to be afraid of your vig shot. I have no clue how this at all makes you lean scum on me and just forget about them.

[Boonskiies]

Logical in the sense by people trying to figure out where you were going to shoot.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Luv, you play scum similar to how I do, it seems, and I’m growing increasingly paranoid of you for multiple reasons. The main reason is everything you are doing seems to come from a good mindset, looks like logical good posting, yet there isn’t any reason to scum read you or town read you if you delve deeper, but it looks like it’s really good posting. It’s similar, yet not in a heated way, as Mulch vs Boon in Why’s game. Mulch had the correct read on me, but there was no real reason that he could explain for it, thus my posting made logical sense and he couldn’t push it further without seeming scummy.

Fair. I guess we’re in the same boat.

I want to town read you Boon but I’m paranoid too. You’re part of a select few group of players on here who don’t receive the same scrutiny and punishment that most players on here would for fake claiming, reaction testing, and/or just pulling stunts in general that can be actively detrimental to your win-con. I don’t know much about your scum game but it wouldn’t surprise me if you have abused this fact in order to get town read a couple of times.

I’m not sure if this breaks site rules but I just finished a long and tedious session with the NRG. They’re not very high on giving scum power, especially when it comes to something as strong as a role blocker. I think that you possibly could be a bulletproof traitor but I don’t see any scum motivation to fake claim vanilla cop and not push on a miller who didn’t claim Day 1. And based on my recent conversations with Alisae, the role doesn’t seem very popular among people who moderate games here. I’m torn.

[Boonskiies]

It’s because my reaction testing/stunt pulling typically end up leading towards me actually catching scum, if only in post mordem sometimes. There’s a reason I get night killed often, and one of my biggest worries when I’m scum is making it to super late game, like Day 5 status because when I’m town, people generally expect me to solve the game by or around then completely.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think Lalendra is Town.

[Boonskiies]

Also, roleblocker is a pretty common role.

Assuming we have 4 or more town pr’s, we have a miller and a vig with a vanilla cop claim, so yes, there’s likely at least two more PR’s, means scum likely have 1 goon, and two pr’s. If they had more than one goon, then vanilla cop gets effectively two soft false innos.

Town in mini normals have been getting like 5 or 6 pr’s per game lately.

There was a doctor flip already, as well. So there’s likely one or two more hidden town pr’s.

[Boonskiies]

LQ - vig
Boon - v cop
Tchill - miller
Egg - vanilla

[Havo]

I think Lalendra is Town.

What results did you get from your nite action? Specifically.

[LicketyQuickety]

Reads

I think Boon is Town and I think Uzi looks really bad for his theory on a BP traitor in a 10:3 setup. I also think Shadd is Town as well.

So overall my Town list looks like this:

Boon
Egg
Lalendra

Scum reads look like:

Uzi
Chill
Havo

So that leaves my Null as:

Shea

I think we win this game if we make a Town block of:

LQ
Boon
Egg
Lalendra

[LicketyQuickety]

I think Lalendra is Town.

What results did you get from your nite action? Specifically.

Why does it matter?

[LicketyQuickety]

@Boon, are you an X-shot?

[Havo]

I think Lalendra is Town.

What results did you get from your nite action? Specifically.

Why does it matter?

Because I'm trying to solve the damn game.

Did you get "No Result"?

[LicketyQuickety]

Reads

I think Boon is Town and I think Uzi looks really bad for his theory on a BP traitor in a 10:3 setup. I also think Shadd is Town as well.

So overall my Town list looks like this:

Boon
Egg
Lalendra

Schadd

Scum reads look like:

Uzi
Chill
Havo

So that leaves my Null as:

Shea

I think we win this game if we make a Town block of:

LQ
Boon
Egg
Lalendra

Sorry Shadd should be in my TRs but not my Town Block reads.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think Lalendra is Town.

What results did you get from your nite action? Specifically.

Why does it matter?

Because I'm trying to solve the damn game.

Did you get "No Result"?

Why would I get any result if I am Vig?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I wasn’t referring to how common role blocker is but traitor Boon. However, I’d like to dumpster dive the archives to see how often scum are given both roles.

Am I missing something about mafia traitor and 10 vs. 3, LQ?

[Havo]

I think Lalendra is Town.

What results did you get from your nite action? Specifically.

Why does it matter?

Because I'm trying to solve the damn game.

Did you get "No Result"?

Why would I get any result if I am Vig?

I've played about 8 or so games here. I've been VT in every one but 1 that I can remember. IDK what results are common but it appears that this site doesn't give jack shit hardly on results at all. Makes it predawn hard to figure out what has happened.

I'm pretty sure you were RB'd.

I'm pretty sure that either LUV, Schadd or Chill is scum. Because of who you said you were gonna shoot.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think what you’re looking for is if he received some sort of confirmation from the mod on whether his night action was successful or not, Havo.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If so, I don’t think he would given that information before day start but I’ve only rolled vigilante once.

[LicketyQuickety]

I wasn’t referring to how common role blocker is but traitor Boon. However, I’d like to dumpster dive the archives to see how often scum are given both roles.

Am I missing something about mafia traitor and 10 vs. 3, LQ?

The roles we are aware of in the game are:

Doc
Vig
vanilla cop
miller

There most probably one more TPR, likely one that can negate kills.

That gives us 5 TPRs.

If the setup is 10:3 with one traitor, this means even if both group Scum have PR's, then its 5:2 and they are still crippled because of the lack of ability to communicate with all the Scum. And then to say that traitor is BP... why? What the hell tells you that A.) There is a traitor and B.) That it is a BP Scum? The only reason to think this is to say Boon is this role. Its just not likely at all. Its such a reach its not even funny.

VOTE: Uzi

[Boonskiies]

Mm...Havo looks like he’s busing a buddy. He said nearly exactly what I said. That being said, he’s also stated a town read on me the majority of the game, after a null read.

LQ, I agree for the most part with your reads list besides Schadd.

I really want to believe Tchill is town, but the miller claim keeps me super paranoid.

He wouldn’t have been told anything.

Also, LQ, mind if I don’t claim the modifier? If I have more shots, I can potentially get get more results. If I don’t, scum might kill me and waste a night kill on a used up pr.