Mini Normal 1952: Dragon's Dance [OVER - PERFECT SCUM WIN]

[Boonskiies]

Well history suggests one of you’re scum.

This is all in response to LQ though. I know I’m town and I believe the role I enable exists in the game. I understand enablers are a bit rare but I don’t see why it doesn’t fit given the setup when we haven’t had a scum flip or a mass claim.

No, yeah, I believe your claim. I imagine scum have a watcher and a roleblocker on their team. I guess put that together and it could even be a variant role.

Technically town could have a watcher still, and you’d be a watcher enabler scum, be side I believe there’s 2 or on the scum team, one around the same power as watcher enabler/Miller, the other a roleblocker of some sort.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Here’s where we are at:

Acid - VT

Boon - Vanilla Cop

Errant - VT

Lalendra - VT

Me - Watcher Enabler

Mumble - VT
Tacos - 2-Shot Doc

tchill13 - Miller

Bolded are still alive.

[Boonskiies]

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Check the archives. There’s never been a vanilla cop and a miller in the same game. There’s been a cop, a role cop, and a gunsmith but never a vanilla cop. Either this setup is the first or there’s scum in Boon and tchill.

I don’t like this. It’s an “either they aren’t scum, or one or both of them are scum.”

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That’s what the archives are telling me.

[Boonskiies]

Yeah, I get that.


Waiting for the rest to claim. Scums not hiding behind that anymore.

[Boonskiies]

Also, I couldn’t have been targeted by a jail keeper.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Let’s assume it’s what you’re thinking Boon. A named townie and a claimed vigilante gives town essentially two ICs.

So on paper:

2-Shot Doctor
2 ICs
1 Vanilla Cop
1 Watcher Enabler

Where’s town power here? You don’t get any hard guilties and the doctor has the play out of his mind. This doesn’t jive with how the NRG operates today.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I don’t mind waiting.

Does everyone agree to a mass claim?

[Boonskiies]

There’s definitely more town PR’s.

We have no way to explain why scum’s kill didn’t go through, unless traitor shot.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I guess the vig is the power but it’s gated and it’s arugably negative utility.

But yeah, there is probably more.

[schadd_]

considering a scum roleblocker seems rather likely to exist, massclaim feels yikes

[Havo]

I’m Town BP.

Which would explain a scum no kill if they targeted me. But apparently this site
Doesn’t allow the Mod to tell you if you were targeted. So I don’t know if I was the target for sure.

I’m not sure why I would be a better target than Boons. There is this tho

Anyone who wants to kill Havo is scum for what I think are obvious reasons. Not willing to talk about this one any further.

So I could have been FOS’d as a PR.

[Boonskiies]

Pretty sure it’s safe to assume you were the target.

[Tchill13]

Tchill’s been semi buddying Havo indirectly all game, so there’s a chance Havo might not be scum. I’d probably through Status in there in that case, due to not having a lot of info on him/POE, with a chance of it being Schadd. But I wouldn’t look into them until a little after. Havo could still just be saying nope because I got one of the three wrong, though.

Yeah bro u got me wrong.

I think LUV / Chill / TSQ is more like it.

LUV/havo seems like a real possibilty now. I'm a believer it's much easier to throw one scum partner in your scum pool lists than it is to distance in other ways.

I think Lalendra is Town.

What results did you get from your nite action? Specifically.

Why does it matter?

Because I'm trying to solve the damn game.

Did you get "No Result"?

Why would I get any result if I am Vig?

I've played about 8 or so games here. I've been VT in every one but 1 that I can remember. IDK what results are common but it appears that this site doesn't give jack shit hardly on results at all. Makes it predawn hard to figure out what has happened.

I'm pretty sure you were RB'd.

I'm pretty sure that either LUV, Schadd or Chill is scum. Because of who you said you were gonna shoot.

Tchill’s been semi buddying Havo indirectly all game, so there’s a chance Havo might not be scum. I’d probably through Status in there in that case, due to not having a lot of info on him/POE, with a chance of it being Schadd. But I wouldn’t look into them until a little after. Havo could still just be saying nope because I got one of the three wrong, though.

Yeah bro u got me wrong.

I think LUV / Chill / TSQ is more like it.

Why is schadd town and TSQ scum?

Havo I don't think that berating boon will help here much after the 1v1 with LQ. Any responses to these posts?

Hey havo... Ik you speak English lol.

[Boonskiies]

I mean, let’s stop being coy here. Vanilla cop isn’t actually a huge threat, and at the same time, I had stated I was Vanilla yesterday after my big gambit. Scum could have thought I was nothing or trying to bait the night kill.

That little bit of information makes it safe to also assume Schadd is scum. That much is clear. Status picking that up alongside Tchill’s overly blatant town reading of you, makes you a good pick for a kill since LQ was able to just be roleblocked.

So Schadd, status, and either lalendra/Egg, I’m leaning Lalendra, but status made me a bit iffy on that.

I get false positives with a vanilla cop, as goons are sure to be in this game since they can get cleared that way.

[Boonskiies]

@Havo - I think you indirectly confirmed me as town unless I pulled off some next level scum play. I’ll talk about that later, but I think you realize why I’m basically lock town at this point now.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: tsq policy lynch

i'm sorry you need to word this in terms of a policy lynch or else i won't understand.

idk we can policy lynch luv if you want.

This would also make sense as scum on scum action.

[Boonskiies]

Which does actually bring LUV back into the mix, but a little less so.

I quotes some of the wrong posts. Schadd is replying to someone else in one of them, but just look at the first page.

[Boonskiies]

AH man...ah man...ah man...I think Egg is scum. One of Lalendra/Status probably isn’t scum.
Egg, Schadd, and then one of the other two. I don’t know which of them is more likely.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Schadd_

This is pretty lock scum, though.

[Tchill13]

....Boon.... You're changing your story more than a little kid accused of eating his mother's dessert. You investigated egg didn't you? How's he scum?

[Havo]

@tchill

I will answer you when I get to a keyboard.

[Egg]

I read up through Page 62 and a little into 63 and lost my post.

Basically...

My head is very close to where Boon's is. The lynch should be between Lil and Schadd. Difference is I prefer Schadd.

I also saw the possibility of Lickety as SK until Schadd pointed out the 10:3 mod confirmation. Lickety is town unless someone else claims the Taco kill.

I don't agree with Lalendra being in Lickety's proposed town block.

I saw that I'm confirmed as either town unless Boon turns out to be scum. Cool.

Boon is pretty much town, but paranoia reminds me he could be a scum rolecop.

I feel that Boon, Lickety, and myself NEED to be on the same page. So Lickety claiming Boon slipped followed by Boon's self vote pissed me off. Lil or Schadd. Pick one. Those are the only acceptable lynches today. After that, we figure out the other of the two along with the pool of [Havo, Lalendra, Shea]. Any tinfoil theories surrounding claims come later. Lickety, I'm asking you to temporarily trust Boon and Tchill and keep anything else in the back of your mind. Boon, I'm asking you to ignore Lickety's suspicion on you for now and work together to solve this game.

I'm going back to reading now.

[Egg]

Actually, kids are screaming and crying. Will come back to this when they are sleeping.

Happened to see on this page Boon suspects me now though. Does a vanilla result include goons or something?

[Boonskiies]

....Boon.... You're changing your story more than a little kid accused of eating his mother's dessert. You investigated egg didn't you? How's he scum?

Vanilla doesn’t clear him. Goon’s give off a vanilla read.

Click Keyenpeydee’s link in my sig, and look late game how much I flip flopped around.

Here’s my thought process:

Havo/LQ conf town to me right now. Havo’s play makes sense now.

Watcher enabler claim is risky as hell for LUV, and he seems ready to claim it for a bit, so I’m wanting to put him as town, he also explained the weird traitor thing, which meh, fine. I can see him having that reason as town because he tried using a similar thing later.

I’m town reading you based on how you did against me in my gambit, and named townie makes sense, especially with a vig. You also had no reason to be as analytical as you are right now.

This leaves Status, Schadd, Lalendra, and Egg.

I still stand by there being one scum in Schadd/Luv, mixed in with schadd’s positioning this entire day phase, Schadd is scum. Now, Lalendra was being a little shady, decided to push after LUV and call LQ and I TvT from the beginning, and status made a case about four potential scum players, then decided to go onto Lalendra, which made me feel they weren’t partners, meaning Egg would likely have to be on the scum team as a goon. I really don’t see any reason for Status to bus Lalendra in that setting when he could just go elsewhere seeing as he had 4 different potential scum on his list. Why not Schadd, who conveniently is placed second on his scum list. I see this as more likely scum than Lalendra right now.