Open 695: Making Friends and Enemies [Mafia Win!]

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Post Post #633  (isolation #0)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:28 am

Hi all.

Might skim a little bit but I'm not typically one to do a catch up

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Post Post #634  (isolation #1)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:29 am

Would typically unvote but deadline is close

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Post Post #637  (isolation #2)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:08 am

VOTE: quick

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Post Post #640  (isolation #3)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:11 am

you ruined it

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Post Post #641  (isolation #4)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:11 am

commknight I don't have any recollection of you being so adamant about flips before

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Post Post #643  (isolation #5)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:13 am

?? comm just said he was town reading me

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Post Post #645  (isolation #6)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:18 am

oh,

that makes sense also

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Post Post #664  (isolation #7)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:48 pm

Jamiet that was gross

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Post Post #684  (isolation #8)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:42 pm

Quick, I'm skimming your ISO and don't see anything looking like a case on comm

Gimme a post number?

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Post Post #687  (isolation #9)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:47 pm

Ehhhh comm the best you have is a cw theory that I'm not big on

Would like a post number from you too

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Post Post #688  (isolation #10)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:48 pm

Comm that's a terrible excuse

UNVOTE:

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Post Post #690  (isolation #11)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:50 pm

Why are you telling me you're relying on gut and then in the same post trying to articulate an actual case

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Post Post #692  (isolation #12)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:54 pm

So, you don't have a case on him, but you're capable of making points against him that are conviniently on your counterwagon right up to the deadline?

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Post Post #693  (isolation #13)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:55 pm

In post 692, Flubbernugget wrote:So, you don't have a case on him, but you're capable of making points against him while he isconviniently on your counterwagon right up to the deadline?

EBWOP

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Post Post #698  (isolation #14)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:34 pm

VOTE: CommKnight

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Post Post #700  (isolation #15)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:43 pm

Sorry, my push is good

It's a gut thing

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Post Post #709  (isolation #16)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:20 pm

In post 701, CommKnight wrote:Yeah but your gut was shit that game too.

Let's see: "game, Balki, gamma/Maria(ish For scum"... All 4 of them were town. Meanwhile I called Siblings out D1 and said I am only leaving them alive to know who NOT to lynch. My gut = right. Your gut = wrong. Simple as that.

The day my gut is completely off, I'll stop relying on it.

"catching" one scum with your gut is a bad case of broken clock syndrome

Also way to miss the sarcasm bleep bloop

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Post Post #710  (isolation #17)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:25 pm

To both lalendra and Northside:

Do you see what I see with comm saying quick is scum off of gut but then following up with reasoning afterwards? It looks like throwing shade for the sake of keeping the lynch off of him in that context.

To quick

Can you fill me in on those reads? At the very least the ones near the top and bottom.

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Post Post #717  (isolation #18)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:45 am

Comm,

My issue is that you seemed to have only started acting on that second point two days before deadline, and only on the single person you can use to make sure you're alive tomorrow.

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Post Post #718  (isolation #19)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:47 am

In post 716, Maki Harukawa wrote:This might be town v town...I like both of these guys last few days

UNVOTE:

You're pushing the game towards no lynch

I don't like this

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Post Post #726  (isolation #20)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:56 am

VOTE: quick

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Post Post #749  (isolation #21)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:24 pm

In post 732, lucca261 wrote:flubber also seemss like he is happy with whoever gets lynched.

Talk to me about both wagons. Comm's play is bad but seemingly consistent with meta. The timing of his ability to articulate a scum read is also bad, but quick can't seem to articulate one at all, which is significantly worse.

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Post Post #750  (isolation #22)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:27 pm

Ehhhh 732 as a whole is strange. You're pushing people for not accepting the comm/quick wagons, but then conclude we should lynch off those wagons.

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Post Post #864  (isolation #23)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:27 pm

In post 819, Awoo wrote:VOTE: jamie um rude language sir

Will switch back to quick as i see fit

For the confident case you had on quick this makes no sense

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Post Post #900  (isolation #24)  » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:41 pm

VOTE: quick

I bet a speedwagon here will make awoo jump off again

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Post Post #913  (isolation #25)  » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:15 am

Quick I still think you are scum

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Post Post #916  (isolation #26)  » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:02 am

I don't understand how taking the spotlight off yesterday's wagon is going to "light a fire under their ass"

Surely a fire was already under their ass if the wagons imploded right before deadline

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Post Post #926  (isolation #27)  » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:47 pm

In post 924, Awoo wrote:Hey buddy, show me the speedwagon? I cant see it

Me?

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Post Post #936  (isolation #28)  » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:43 pm

Lucca

I'd be willing to start an awoo wagon with you

Y/N

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Post Post #954  (isolation #29)  » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:33 am

Quick v awoo is scum theater

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Post Post #968  (isolation #30)  » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:14 pm

Not even close. There's an ocean of difference between 964 and 967

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Post Post #977  (isolation #31)  » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:52 pm

In post 970, lucca261 wrote:@flub, 936: maybe. I would like the wagon on me evolve, to see the progressions and who will vote me/who won't. Currently, Awoo vote sucks, but it can't be four scum on my wagon, right? So I'll wait right now. questions: what do you think of Lalendra?/what's your read on my slot?

Hmmm. I don't think I've seen someone try to scumhunt off how their wagon is growing like this in a while. In just that context, it's too unusual to come from scum. However, I'll be interested in what you learn.

I don't have a read on Lalendra. Not enough content, and I've seen enough of D1 just from my replacement (quick lynch should have happened yesterday btw, and the modkill makes me believe this to be true even more) to be willing to look back.

Where does the "four scum on your wagon" comment come from?

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Post Post #978  (isolation #32)  » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:54 pm

In post 976, Maki Harukawa wrote:Top tr flips town? Shocked.

I have no clue why Jamie would be a top town read.

I will have to make time to ISO you and Lalendra.

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Post Post #1017  (isolation #33)  » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:52 am

In post 999, lucca261 wrote:flub, what do you think of wagoning lalendra?

I would consider. I have no clue what their reads are after skimming their ISO, and looks like they were setting themselves up to be flexible between yesterday's main counterwagons, both of which resolved to a no lynch.

Before that though:

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Post Post #1018  (isolation #34)  » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:52 am

Quick

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Post Post #1019  (isolation #35)  » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:52 am

Quick

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Post Post #1020  (isolation #36)  » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:52 am

Quick

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Post Post #1040  (isolation #37)  » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:12 pm

Are you only going to entertain low hanging fruit wagons

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Post Post #1052  (isolation #38)  » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:51 pm

Well from your perspective you should have seen yourself as a counterwagon to comm at the very least. If you know your alignment is town, you should be able to formulate some sort of read on comm from that.

Also weren't you voting him yesterday?

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Post Post #1064  (isolation #39)  » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:37 am

... what

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Post Post #1066  (isolation #40)  » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:27 pm

There's no associatives in my push. It's a description of how town would be thinking, which is different from how you're thinking.

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Post Post #1074  (isolation #41)  » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:18 pm

Quick, I'm not assuming comm pre flipped.

If you're going to be so adamant about that paradigm, I'm saying you should be able to use yourself as a pre-flip to make some sort of attempt to read comm since you should know your own alignment.

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Post Post #1098  (isolation #42)  » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:31 am

In post 1072, Epic Fial wrote:
In post 978, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 976, Maki Harukawa wrote:Top tr flips town? Shocked.

I will have to make time to ISO you and Lalendra.


Please not to forget
To make time for these ISOs
I will try also

I got around to a Maki iso.

Lots of questions, not much to follow up.

Very Meh.

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Post Post #1103  (isolation #43)  » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:40 am

In post 1072, Epic Fial wrote:
In post 978, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 976, Maki Harukawa wrote:Top tr flips town? Shocked.

I will have to make time to ISO you and Lalendra.


Please not to forget
To make time for these ISOs
I will try also

Just did lalendra iso

Focuses way too much on Jamie, who we now know was a very convenient slot for scum to target

Also meh

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Post Post #1119  (isolation #44)  » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:02 pm

In post 1113, lucca261 wrote:my wagon died so fast when the ringleader bolted out of it.

a replace out, a guy who didn't even remember why he voted me and Lalendra unvoting in silence. if you, townie, don't think there's scum there, think again.

I'm not following this behavior as scummy

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Post Post #1121  (isolation #45)  » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:24 pm

you're not even voting me...

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Post Post #1122  (isolation #46)  » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:25 pm

quick, awoo, maki scumteam

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Post Post #1129  (isolation #47)  » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:52 am

In post 1127, Quick wrote:
In post 1124, Torque wrote:
Votecount 2.5

Quick (1): Flubbernugget,
Flubbernugget (1): Maki Harukawa
Lalendra (3): lucca261, Aubrey, Quick
CommKnight (1): Epic Fial
Chisa Yukizome (2): Flavor Leaf, CommKnight
Aubrey (1): Not Known 15

Not voting: Chisa Yukizome, Lalendra

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!


You forgot to add when day ends.

4 days to dl as of this post

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Post Post #1145  (isolation #48)  » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:02 pm

In post 1143, Flavor Leaf wrote:Lalendra is a compromise lynch and will flip town.

Yep

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Post Post #1173  (isolation #49)  » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:46 am

VOTE: quick

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Post Post #1189  (isolation #50)  » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:10 pm

D1 was a no lynch
D2 was a compromise lynch

I see a perfect reason for scum to kill someone that wasn't making much of a difference in the game

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Post Post #1196  (isolation #51)  » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:21 pm

In post 1194, Quick wrote:
In post 1193, Flavor Leaf wrote:It’s a frame kill.

VOTE: Quick

I imagine it was expected of me to tunnel onto Chisa, tbh all while keeping everyone on the Lalendra wagon alive, which means multiple scum are on the wagon, which was known due to the obvious nature of it being a compromise wagon.


Interesting perspective considering Awoo wanted me dead.

?? Awoo was one of the biggest reasons D1 was a no lynch

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Post Post #1204  (isolation #52)  » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:30 pm

I wasn't hard sold on lalendra being scum (I listed my scum team later that day too) and compromise lynches are for the sake of flips, making them likely to land on town

This town is very uncooperative with each other. Scum doesn't want that to change, so it's in their interest to kill someone who wasn't changing the state of the game much.

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Post Post #1210  (isolation #53)  » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:25 am

You're over analyzing the fuck out of this dude

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Post Post #1213  (isolation #54)  » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:23 pm

Vote quick

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Post Post #1231  (isolation #55)  » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:23 am

In post 1204, Flubbernugget wrote:I wasn't hard sold on lalendra being scum (I listed my scum team later that day too) and compromise lynches are for the sake of flips, making them likely to land on town

This town is very uncooperative with each other. Scum doesn't want that to change, so it's in their interest to kill someone who wasn't changing the state of the game much.

Hey look at that it's the answers to the questions I didn't answer

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Post Post #1248  (isolation #56)  » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:32 am

In post 1240, Quick wrote:
In post 1231, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1204, Flubbernugget wrote:I wasn't hard sold on lalendra being scum (I listed my scum team later that day too) and compromise lynches are for the sake of flips, making them likely to land on town

This town is very uncooperative with each other. Scum doesn't want that to change, so it's in their interest to kill someone who wasn't changing the state of the game much.

Hey look at that it's the answers to the questions I didn't answer


Great, than you lynched town because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why is there no wagon on a player trying to promote two back to back no lynches

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Post Post #1398  (isolation #57)  » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:51 pm

I need to catch up. This game will b be my priority tomorrow

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Post Post #1403  (isolation #58)  » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:28 am

Page 54

The turn of events is interesting. I usually ignore MathBlade when they replace into my games, but I want to see if there's any credence on their notes with comm knight

On the other hand, comm is working to get one of my scum reads lynched (though them town reading quick really sucks)

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Post Post #1405  (isolation #59)  » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:38 pm

Never mind

CommKnight is doing the exact opposite of what math is accusing him, and I have no clue why I thought I saw something else.

VOTE: Maki

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Post Post #1420  (isolation #60)  » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:58 am

I didn't mention anything of your read on quick

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Post Post #1425  (isolation #61)  » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:30 pm

"them" is your pronoun, but I still think it's acceptable to use it to address comm.

Why are you doubling down on your interpretation of my post after I clarified?

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Post Post #1426  (isolation #62)  » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:31 pm

In post 1424, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m always down to lynch Quick, though, so I agree there, Titus sibling.

Thanks for leaving all my efforts to get him lynched at a vanity wagon?

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Post Post #1480  (isolation #63)  » Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:10 pm

It's absolutely absurd to assume anyone would push Maki for town cred

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Post Post #1544  (isolation #64)  » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:45 pm

In post 1531, Maki Harukawa wrote:Pocket me harder math I'm good for it

Why aren't people voting Flubber do you tr him etc I don't think he's done anything worth getting tr over he's normally a pretty easy ML when he's town the fact people aren't jumping on him sums it up pretty well

You're saying I'm easily lynched except for when I'm scum?

I've made it to endgame as scum twice in two years

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Post Post #1545  (isolation #65)  » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:49 pm

In post 1481, Quick wrote:
In post 1480, Flubbernugget wrote:It's absolutely absurd to assume anyone would push Maki for town cred


Why?

See dude

This is why you're scum

You're saying things to make noises and nothing more

When has voting a low activity slot literally ever gotten someone towncred? How do you get *towncred* out of the first thing towns like to scream up and down about being opportunistic?

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Post Post #1546  (isolation #66)  » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:52 pm

Epic

Talk to me about that flavor leaf read.

Is scum really that quick to give up? They have a lot more to lose from a lynch than town

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Post Post #1728  (isolation #67)  » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:16 pm

If I can't get back to this later tonight tomorrow is free for me

Sorry

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Post Post #1741  (isolation #68)  » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:54 pm

catching up now.

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Post Post #1742  (isolation #69)  » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:35 pm

I got to page 68. This game is infuriating.

Math, I don't typically read a thread when I replace into a game. The most I'll do is go through ISO's of importance/interest as needed. You know this. You're looking at my first attempts to sort the game *at all*

Do you want to know what got me sold on quick being scum? The fact that nobody town reads him yet he CAN'T GET FUCKING LYNCHED. YOU WERE IN THE LAST FUCKING GAME I HUNTED FOR SCUM THIS WAY, AND IF YOU COULDN'T FUCKING TELL, IT FOUND FUCKING SCUM. YOU. WERE. THERE. WHEN. THIS. FUCKING. HAPPENED.

Not only that, but you are scum reading me for vote parking IN THE SAME FUCKING WAY YOUR MASON PARTNER HAS BEEN VOTING THIS ENTIRE GAME. The difference being that I ACTUALLY PAID ENOUGH ATTENTION TO ACTUALLY BE IN PURSUIT OF MY FUCKING READS.

YOU ARE SCUM READING ME FOR PLAYING IN A WAY YOU HAVE SEEN ME PLAY BEFORE AS TOWN, IN A GAME WHERE YOUR MASON PARTNER HAS DONE THE SAME EXACT FUCKING THING BUT WORSE.

Do you understand why I do the best I can to ignore you when you replace into games I'm in yet? You scum read me in every. fucking. game. you see me in, for stupid fucking reasons. It's like all you care about is whether or not you can lynch me when you see me. Regardless of alignment. It's stupid and it's childish. And combining this with your spam posting and then just quoting single posts and going "this is how I see flubber is scum" it gets really frustrating. It's not fun to play with you. It makes working towards my wincon an exercise in futility. And now I'm fucking stuck with you saying stupid things as the head of the town in lylo.

I really don't like being scathing because you're a really nice person outside of mafia, but as a player you're infuriatingly insufferable.

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Epic's crumbing is blatantly not eating a nightkill (which as you can all see, he didn't do). I see it as scum setting gambit insurance.

The last time I saw someone pick up on a crumb the way commknight did, they were scum bussing their buddy. Not only that, but for a lot of the game, comm had epic in a really cozy nullish scum position. The biggest reservation is the quick v comm d1 interactions here, but considering that whole day fell into no lynch and "begrudging" town reads fell out of it, they may have just been able to sense early how poorly this town was going to work together. Not only that, but I really don't see aubrey as scum.

The biggest issue I had with aubrey was their contribution to the D1 no lynch. However, in light of awoo being a bigger cause of the no lynch and flipping town, I think this just plays into how poorly the town is meshing together. They've made reasonable pushes, and made notable attempts to try and keep town moving after mid game became apathetic.

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Post Post #1745  (isolation #70)  » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:06 pm

In post 1743, Maki Harukawa wrote:Flubber posts content when he finally gets pushed i'm SHOCKED

Unless you're considering my grievances content, my last post is one paragraph longer than the majority of my posting in this game. It's probably less content per number of pages between my posts than I've typically been posting.

Like c' mon now

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Post Post #1748  (isolation #71)  » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:22 pm

In post 1742, Flubbernugget wrote:Do you want to know what got me sold on quick being scum? The fact that nobody town reads him yet he CAN'T GET FUCKING LYNCHED. YOU WERE IN THE LAST FUCKING GAME I HUNTED FOR SCUM THIS WAY, AND IF YOU COULDN'T FUCKING TELL, IT FOUND FUCKING SCUM. YOU. WERE. THERE. WHEN. THIS. FUCKING. HAPPENED.

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Post Post #1749  (isolation #72)  » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:24 pm

In post 1748, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1742, Flubbernugget wrote:Do you want to know what got me sold on quick being scum?

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Post Post #1750  (isolation #73)  » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:25 pm

You didn't fucking town read me before I made that outburst. You can't handle saying careless things and then having to own up to it.

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Post Post #1752  (isolation #74)  » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:42 pm

If you make small posts people complain about your activity

If you make big posts people don't seem to be to read them

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Post Post #1770  (isolation #75)  » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:21 am

The only "nuance" your question offers is the possibility that I could have tunneled quick all game without scum reading them, which is really stupid.

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Post Post #1774  (isolation #76)  » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:48 am

In post 688, Flubbernugget wrote:Comm that's a terrible excuse

UNVOTE:

In post 690, Flubbernugget wrote:Why are you telling me you're relying on gut and then in the same post trying to articulate an actual case

In post 692, Flubbernugget wrote:So, you don't have a case on him, but you're capable of making points against him that are conviniently on your counterwagon right up to the deadline?

In post 693, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 692, Flubbernugget wrote:So, you don't have a case on him, but you're capable of making points against him while he isconviniently on your counterwagon right up to the deadline?

EBWOP

In post 698, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: CommKnight

In post 709, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 701, CommKnight wrote:Yeah but your gut was shit that game too.

Let's see: "game, Balki, gamma/Maria(ish For scum"... All 4 of them were town. Meanwhile I called Siblings out D1 and said I am only leaving them alive to know who NOT to lynch. My gut = right. Your gut = wrong. Simple as that.

The day my gut is completely off, I'll stop relying on it.

"catching" one scum with your gut is a bad case of broken clock syndrome

Also way to miss the sarcasm bleep bloop

In post 717, Flubbernugget wrote:Comm,

My issue is that you seemed to have only started acting on that second point two days before deadline, and only on the single person you can use to make sure you're alive tomorrow.


This is not a thing that I was in any way unclear about. Your question has a false narrative loaded into it in the name of garnering responses.

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Post Post #1836  (isolation #77)  » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:26 am

Two minute hammer test lmao

Are we *finally* lynching quick now?

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Post Post #1910  (isolation #78)  » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:04 am

In post 1881, Epic Fial wrote:I was just about to say no town should recklessly vote here.

Comm, if you are town you've just done exactly what you criticised Ironstove for. You're therefore back to scum, since i think even you would be ultrasensitive to that particular mistake.

Cool

CommKnight voting you was a bus

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Post Post #1932  (isolation #79)  » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:43 pm

Yeah uhhh

So that vote that didn't get quick hammered

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Post Post #1933  (isolation #80)  » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:44 pm

Also the fact that it didn't leave comm as confirmed scum to epic

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Post Post #1951  (isolation #81)  » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:20 pm

Dude,

You outed yourself and comm

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Post Post #1954  (isolation #82)  » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:56 am

I'm not reading that

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Post Post #1956  (isolation #83)  » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:39 pm

In post 1933, Flubbernugget wrote:Also the fact that it didn't leave comm as confirmed scum to epic

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Post Post #1963  (isolation #84)  » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:59 pm

In post 1898, Epic Fial wrote:Pretty sure dots are nai...

Epic

I'm surprised this didn't suggest to you that aubrey was town

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Post Post #1971  (isolation #85)  » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:28 pm

Stop being coy epic

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Post Post #1986  (isolation #86)  » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:46 pm

Whatever lets your fragile little ego sleep at night sweet cheeks

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Post Post #1987  (isolation #87)  » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:48 pm

In post 1973, Epic Fial wrote:
In post 1971, Flubbernugget wrote:Stop being coy epic


Explain the significance of the dots?

It wasn't a vote

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Post Post #2002  (isolation #88)  » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:42 pm

VOTE: comm

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Post Post #2026  (isolation #89)  » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:50 am

In post 2023, Epic Fial wrote:Well done, scum. But why didn't you hammer me when Comm had his vote on me?

Mostly because I'm stupid

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Post Post #2027  (isolation #90)  » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:50 am

Thanks for modding torque :)

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Post Post #2050  (isolation #91)  » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:07 pm

In post 2047, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Flubber - I always town read and defend you for some reason. :lol:

I'll never complain :P


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