Open 695: Making Friends and Enemies [Mafia Win!]

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Post Post #3  (isolation #0)  » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:15 am

Greetings, fellow townsfolk.

14 day phases are a bit mad. Why so long?

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Post Post #5  (isolation #1)  » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:29 am

It's literally the same opening I used last time.

VOTE: Aubrey because it literally says "Mafia Scum" after your name. What more proof do I need?

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Post Post #29  (isolation #2)  » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:13 am

What's EBWOP?

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Post Post #30  (isolation #3)  » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:14 am

Also by the way, does this site have an automatic vote counter or anything?

webDip / vDip have one and it's super useful. Here it is for reference, running during the current vDip mafia game: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/game_status?g=1001

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Post Post #36  (isolation #4)  » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:04 am

Not much happening so far.

##CALL GM
What's the current vote count?

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Post Post #42  (isolation #5)  » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:26 pm

##CALL GM

That vote count appears wrong. I have voted. Why is my vote not counted?

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Post Post #43  (isolation #6)  » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:28 pm

Also, you guys, I'm sorry if I'm coming across badly because I'm new, but there are now 5 votes on me and two more would end the day while it's still in the random shitposting phase. I don't think that's a good idea.

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Post Post #45  (isolation #7)  » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:46 pm

@GM: Peterlund on webDip / vDip would probably adapt his bot program to suit this website if someone asked him - he's super helpful and a good programmer.

I am going to VOTE: Awoo for piling onto an easy wagon formed during the shitposting phase. Scum love easy lynches.

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Post Post #57  (isolation #8)  » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:31 pm

What was dumb about my statement?

Explain
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Post Post #69  (isolation #9)  » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:16 pm

@Chisa:

What is Assemble's "usual" approach that you so dislike?

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Post Post #71  (isolation #10)  » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:21 pm

Eww. I don't like lurkers.

Do you ever policy lynch them here?

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Post Post #101  (isolation #11)  » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:40 am

@Thomas of the Tiels
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The game has been running for two days, why have you still not posted?

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Post Post #102  (isolation #12)  » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:42 am

I'm thinking about our Masons. Important we keep them alive if we can. They effectively have a 1-shot copscan.

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Post Post #107  (isolation #13)  » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:19 am

Right Aubrey, you're so very, very clever, you win the game on you own. I'll just sit here and not post anything.

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Post Post #121  (isolation #14)  » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:04 pm

@Aubrey - My point was more about the importance of the Masons having a 1-shot copscan than the basic "let's not kill them", but we got there in the end.

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Post Post #128  (isolation #15)  » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:18 pm

Why do you all quote each other all the time??

Quick, you were literally replying to the post above yours just there. We can see what Chisa wrote. If it was a quote from 3 pages ago, sure. But I don't get why you constantly cut and paste each other's quotes?

What am I missing?

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Post Post #129  (isolation #16)  » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:21 pm

I'm partly complaining because you'd get a lot more on a page if you guys didn't constantly feel the need to quote each other - because the quotes take up space on the page. They actually make it harder to follow the thread because of the space they take up.

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Post Post #131  (isolation #17)  » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:24 pm

@Quick:

"someone could have posted in between my post and theirs, which then people would have to try and figure out who I was responding to"

You could just start your reply with "@Chisa", like I just did with you. That would make it just as clear you were responding to Chisa, and would take up less space on the page.

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Post Post #134  (isolation #18)  » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:29 pm

@Aubrey:

"I don't see any difference or innovation between what you said, and what should already be common knowledge though."

You are entitled to your views about what should be common knowledge, but in practice you'll notice that Quick hadn't realised this point about the Mason's abilities, as it happened.

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Post Post #135  (isolation #19)  » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:30 pm

Now, Scooby, do you scumread me for my post about the Masons, or do you just like to feel superior?

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Post Post #136  (isolation #20)  » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:41 pm

Current Townreads:

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CheekyTeeky
Quick
Cheesy Yukizone

Current Scumreads:

Awoo
Lucca261
Assemblerot

Current Nullreads:

Aubrey
CommKnight
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Post Post #149  (isolation #21)  » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:19 am

@Aubrey - I'm sorry, maybe it's just a communication clash because this is the first time we've encountered each other. Your tone struck me as condescending - but perhaps that was just how I interpreted it, and not your intention. Not to worry, let's move on.

I've explained my scumread on Awoo, who I'm currently voting for.

My scumread on Assemblerot is based on a combination of his behaviour in this game so far, and something he said in the original game which was re-rolled. What he said back there was that he realises he often lurks, and will try to be much more involved on this occasion. When the re-roll happened, he posted early and looked like he was trying to be (or appear) involved, but then melted away and hasn't posted again.

Over on webDip / vDip we've got this guy, VashtaNeurotic, who combines horrible lurking with regular promises not to lurk. There was a game a while back where I think he made 20 posts in the whole game, of which 11 or 12 were "I'm just catching up with the thread, I'll have some comments soon" and then never did.

Assemblerot is currently striking me as that kind of lurker, and I don't like it. So it's not *just* anti-lurker bias, but anti-lurker bias linked to Assemble's promise that he'd be active in this game.


@Lucca261: Reasonable question - my scumread of you is based primarily on the manner of your vote for Cheeky, which you made without giving any kind of proper reason - yet you felt the need to say this was a "serious vote". Then your subsequent unwillingness to explain yourself. Townies explain their votes because this helps other townies to investigate. Also Awoo, who I scumread, defended you but with little explanation. That could be confirmation bias, I accept. We'll see.

For the second part of your question, I'm leaning town on Cheeky because she's explaining her thoughts and actions, and is asking questions and scumhunting. Also she's buddying me and I like being buddied (jk).


@Quick: "How sure of these reads are you at this time?"

- Not very. It's Day 1 mate. Anyone who is sure of their reads on Day 1 is probably scum. Or massively over-confident. Lucca is one or other of those things.

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Post Post #151  (isolation #22)  » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:58 am

I have played before, Quick - this is my first time here and things seem a bit different, but I've got several games under my belt on other sites. Just being transparent; full disclosure.

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Post Post #154  (isolation #23)  » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:24 am

Invite Vecna; he is clearly spectating this game...

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Post Post #200  (isolation #24)  » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:12 am

@Lalendra: You are not sure of your read on me, but you are voting for me. Why is your vote on me if you don't necessarily scumread me?

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Post Post #201  (isolation #25)  » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:14 am

In post 158, Maki Harukawa wrote:
In post 43, Jamiet99uk wrote:Also, you guys, I'm sorry if I'm coming across badly because I'm new, but there are now 5 votes on me and two more would end the day while it's still in the random shitposting phase. I don't think that's a good idea.
I have no idea how to take this comment it doesn't feel that genuine that I would expect from a new player wouldn't mind a wagon on this still


@Maki - Could you explain this statement please? I don't understand what you mean by "that I would expect from a new player wouldn't mind a wagon on this still"

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Post Post #205  (isolation #26)  » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:05 pm

Aubrey that image isn't loading properly.

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Post Post #211  (isolation #27)  » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:08 pm

@Lalendra: I asked you a question (at the top of page 9) and you seem to have ignored it or missed it. Can you answer it please?

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Post Post #213  (isolation #28)  » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:12 pm

In post 208, lucca261 wrote:let me get back in the game by making a quick "what I think of each player":

Jamie: yeah, I'm kinda of torn about his slot. he's using the newbie card a lot, more that I would like. when I was a newbie, the last thing I wanted was to people to point I was a newbie. he's using subtle language to point how he is a new player since the start, on things like , and . and the mix of an apologetic approach, seen on , with an agressive approach, seen on the rest of his posts, especially against Aubrey, concerns me, and makes me think that the tone on 43 was the tone of a concerned player, that was using the newbie card to at least get more air, when he had five votes against him.
on the other hand, I think that the things he is questioning are ok, and I liked his response to me about why he scumreads me. I also don't think that a player that seems so eager to fit in with the meta would be such an eager scum player, with lot of posts and questions. so right now, I would say that the slot is on the complete middle to me.
question: what do you think of Maki vote/unvote on awoo?


Good question. Maki's vote on Awoo wasn't very well explained. It seemed to just be a vote because Maki thought Awoo's comment to me was a bit shitty, rather than necessarily scummy. So I wasn't that surprised when Maki was unvoted - didn't appear a very sincere vote in the first place.

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Post Post #214  (isolation #29)  » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:13 pm

@Lalendra: Right, so just to be clear, your vote on me is from the early game shitposting, and you don't actually have a case against me or anything?

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Post Post #217  (isolation #30)  » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:19 pm

@Maki: "This feels really convenient that you chose to comment on me after someone else makes a statement on it."

Uh, no. I chose to reply to a question that Lucca asked me. Would you prefer that I ignore questions and refuse to answer them??

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Post Post #219  (isolation #31)  » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:30 pm

@Maki: Okay - no worries.

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Post Post #251  (isolation #32)  » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:34 pm

In post 239, Epic Fial wrote:
In post 214, Jamiet99uk wrote:@Lalendra: Right, so just to be clear, your vote on me is from the early game shitposting, and you don't actually have a case against me or anything?


I don't like this very much.



Why?

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Post Post #252  (isolation #33)  » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:35 pm

In post 240, Epic Fial wrote:
In post 102, Jamiet99uk wrote:I'm thinking about our Masons. Important we keep them alive if we can. They effectively have a 1-shot copscan.


What steps shall we take to keep the masons alive?



Let's try not to lynch them.

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Post Post #253  (isolation #34)  » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:36 pm

In post 241, Epic Fial wrote:
In post 101, Jamiet99uk wrote:@Thomas of the Tiels
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The game has been running for two days, why have you still not posted?


This seems off.



In what sense? What do you dislike about it?

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Post Post #254  (isolation #35)  » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:37 pm

In post 244, Epic Fial wrote:Lots of fluuuuuuufffffffffffff from Jamie, and his wagon dissolved faster than a fast-relief aspirin in a vat of hydrochloric acid. I'd like to see the pressure maintained longer.

VOTE: Jamie


I don't like this post.

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Post Post #255  (isolation #36)  » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:38 pm

It seems to me that Epic Fial and Aubrey are both voting for me because they don't like my style, rather than for anything that actually makes me seem likely to be scum.

Kek.

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Post Post #259  (isolation #37)  » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:07 pm

In post 256, Aubrey wrote:
In post 255, Jamiet99uk wrote:It seems to me that Epic Fial and Aubrey are both voting for me because they don't like my style, rather than for anything that actually makes me seem likely to be scum.

Kek.


I'm sorry that I think your coasting, not addressing my concerns, and producing Eh content.


You're.

What concerns did you raise that I have not replied to? Could you state your question(s) for me clearly?

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Post Post #262  (isolation #38)  » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:01 pm

@Aubrey: I just re-read post 234. I don't see you asking me a question anywhere in that post. Please could you re-state the question?

I'm not being awkward, I honestly don't see you asking me a question in that post.

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Post Post #263  (isolation #39)  » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:23 pm

Also Aubrey, why are you voting me, then, exactly?

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Post Post #265  (isolation #40)  » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:57 pm

@Aubrey: In the context of a question he asked concerning Maki "not minding" a wagon on me, you accused Lalendra of, and I quote:

"a question with an obvious answer that doesn't exactly need to be asked."

Surely that's a criticism of Lalendra, not me? What are you trying to ask me about it?

You really aren't making yourself anywhere near as clear as you seem to think you are.

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Post Post #266  (isolation #41)  » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:00 pm

This is like the third time I've asked you to clarify what it is you're asking me.

I'm not trying to avoid your question, I'm trying to understand what it is.

You could save us both time by stating it clearly. Thanks in advance.

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Post Post #307  (isolation #42)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:47 am

@Aubrey - Okay sorry, I really had just missed your question there... kinda buried in a big block of text and not directly addressing me.

I think you are right that since my vote is still on Awoo it would be prudentbto re-read her. Give me a little time to do that.

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Post Post #308  (isolation #43)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:59 am

In post 227, Awoo wrote:
so, let's talk: what's my motivation as scum to accuse cheeky without any reasons here?


Don't like this line. Do you think it mattered if you had a reason or not that early in the game? To me you're pushing something either alignment could have done forward and saying "scum wouldn't do it".

More later, I owe this game some actual content.


Having re-read Awoo I no longer scumread him (not her, sorry it was the female picture). Awoo seems to be looking carefully at people's reactions which is good scumhunting play. I particularly agree with this response to Lucca261. It's egregiously scummy to want to know what people think you would do or say as scum (so you can later avoid doing or saying things that will get you scumread).

VOTE: UNVOTE until I can properly reread Lucca.

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Post Post #314  (isolation #44)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:14 pm

Dammit this game is packed with quitters.

That's like the 5th replacement in a 13 player game. Is that normal here?

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Post Post #316  (isolation #45)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:21 pm

@CommKnight:

Do you trust your gut enough to stake your own neck on it?

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Post Post #320  (isolation #46)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:24 pm

Assemble tells us to follow CommKnight's gut / Assemble's vote is not on the same target as CommKnight....

Hmm.

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Post Post #322  (isolation #47)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:39 pm

@Awoo: Who are you addressing?

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Post Post #323  (isolation #48)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:45 pm

If it's me you're talking to, I'd just say that if I changed my vote every time someone said something suspect, I'd have to move my vote at least once a page. I don't like throwing my vote around willy-nilly, like some other people seem to enjoy. Plus voting for Assemble at this point might not give very much info since he's asked to be replaced. Having said that, I don't like replacements getting a free pass.

I'm about to do a full re-read of Lucca.

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Post Post #324  (isolation #49)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:45 pm

In the meantime I'm waiting for CommKnight to answer my last question to him.

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Post Post #326  (isolation #50)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:14 pm

Lucca261 has made 13 posts.

First was a shitphase joke vote on CommKnight. Second was his "serious vote" schtick on Cheeky. Some sort of rxn test, we suppose, but in the conversation in 113 and 117 he says it wasn't and he apparently knew Cheeky was scum for sure, that early (without explanation).

Post 139 doesn't know how anyone can have strong reads (and yet 22 posts before that he was sure of his scumread on Cheeky).

Up to that point - pretty hedgy and scummy.

Then from 208 onwards we get some more detailed, less abrasive posts from Lucca which seem more inquisitive and involved. His questioning of me seems reasonable - and he finally explains his early push on Cheeky.

@Lucca: Why did it take until 203 to explain why you scumread Cheeky on 59?

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Post Post #327  (isolation #51)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:17 pm

In post 308, Jamiet99uk wrote:Having re-read Awoo I no longer scumread him (not her, sorry it was the female picture). Awoo seems to be looking carefully at people's reactions which is good scumhunting play. I particularly agree with this response to Lucca261. It's egregiously scummy to want to know what people think you would do or say as scum (so you can later avoid doing or saying things that will get you scumread).

VOTE: UNVOTE until I can properly reread Lucca.


So let me get this straight. You originally scumread the slot, but that slot didn't keep your interest that much moving forward until you were pressured into expanding on your read? This is a red flag to me. If you scum-read a slot, they should hold a good amount of your attention. As the slot begins to change, shouldn't you take note of that instead of being forced into recap? It's stuff like this that hints artificially suspecting people to me.

/quote]

Why do you call people "slots"? Why not "them" or "that person"? What a weird word choice. As for your question, it was an early, although sincere, vote - and I hadn't seen fit to move it. Lalendra is doing the exact same thing with a vote from the shitphase still being on me because, as Lalendra has said, they haven't had a better option yet. Do you scumread Lalendra for that behaviour, Aubrey?

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Post Post #328  (isolation #52)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:18 pm

Uhm, I'm not sure what happened with the quotes there. The whole thing from the start, until "Why do you call people slots" is a quote of Aubrey. (I'm trying to do it right!!)

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Post Post #339  (isolation #53)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:29 pm

Multiple times?

Wait, the person in a "slot" can change "multiple times" during a single game?

Can someone who has played a few games here before confirm this?

I'm used to playing in 20 player games where there might be 2-3 substitues at most...

Is it the norm here that during a single game half the players quit or fail to participate and get replaced?

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Post Post #340  (isolation #54)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:30 pm

Because if that's normal here, I probably just need to leave this website.

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Post Post #342  (isolation #55)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:34 pm

@CommKnight: While I'm still playing: So, do you agree to the following?

- If I sheep your vote this turn, and (y)our target is lynched, and flips TOWN, then you agree that YOU will be the lynch tomorrow, and to that ens, will vote for yourself tomorrow in those circumstances?

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Post Post #343  (isolation #56)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:35 pm

@Awoo

I'm not quitting. I just don't see the point in this website if the games are so shit that half the players quit during the course of an average game like CommKnight has suggested. This game has already had what I'd regard as a worryingly high level of replacements...

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Post Post #345  (isolation #57)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:47 pm

@Quick: Why are you voting me? Why am I scum?

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Post Post #346  (isolation #58)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:53 pm

VOTE: Quick for literally admitting that his vote on me is lazy. What a pile of shit.

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Post Post #350  (isolation #59)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:01 pm

@CommKnight:

I thought you were super-sure of your gut? You admit you might be WRONG?

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Post Post #351  (isolation #60)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:02 pm

Also CommKnight I would like a YES or NO answer to my previous query.

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Post Post #354  (isolation #61)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:03 pm

@Lucca: Tell me more about naked votes and why you like them?

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Post Post #355  (isolation #62)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:04 pm

(If I assume a "naked" vote is a vote without explanation - then I think they're shit, and scummy as fuck)

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Post Post #357  (isolation #63)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:08 pm

Also, Lucca, please give some commentary on why you said in Post 139 that you were amazed anyone had any reads, and yet before that you'd been super-sure of your scumread on Cheeky. Tell us about that apparent inconsistency please?

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Post Post #358  (isolation #64)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:09 pm

In post 356, Quick wrote:
In post 345, Jamiet99uk wrote:@Quick: Why are you voting me? Why am I scum?

In post 346, Jamiet99uk wrote:VOTE: Quick for literally admitting that his vote on me is lazy. What a pile of shit.


Would you give me a chance to answer, Jesus Christ.


You voted me without explanation, and said "sorry for being lazy"... You don't expect me to call you on that?

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Post Post #362  (isolation #65)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:48 pm

I didn't think you were going to. I thought you were going to go off and attend to your other games, and be lazy about this one, as your post implied.

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Post Post #363  (isolation #66)  » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:51 pm

Now, COMMKNIGHT is voting for me.

How much does he trust his magical guts?

I will agree follow him, and to vote for myself today, if he agrees that he will lead a D2 lynch on *himself* if I flip town.

What's it to be, CommKnight? I am not afraid to die.

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Post Post #410  (isolation #67)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:14 am

Excellent.

The reaction to my challenge to CommKnight was very interesting. Everyone who said it was a bad idea is entirely correct. Of course I don't want CommKnight to commit to suiciding if he's town and gets his D1 read wrong. That would be a waste.

My intention in proposing this apparently mad idea was twofold. First of all, to dissuade CommKnight from being too cocky about his gut, and anyone else from just slavishly following him. Secondly, I wanted too see people's reactions. I'm going to spend some time assessing those later today.

For the record I do stand by my assertion that a VT should not be afraid to die. A VT dying is not as good as scum dying, for sure - but it's way better than a PR dying. Plus, flips are informative. A lot of people have interacted with me today and if I died, those interactions could provide many clues.

That said, all things considered I'd prefer to stay alive, and I'm definitely town, so if you've got a good scumread, go for them - and tell us why. It's time to start bringing this phase home, my fellow townsfolk.

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Post Post #411  (isolation #68)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:15 am

* to see people's reactions (not "too").

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Post Post #412  (isolation #69)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:24 am

##CALL GM - can we get a vote count please?

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Post Post #414  (isolation #70)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:09 am

In post 413, Quick wrote:
In post 410, Jamiet99uk wrote:Excellent.

The reaction to my challenge to CommKnight was very interesting. Everyone who said it was a bad idea is entirely correct. Of course I don't want CommKnight to commit to suiciding if he's town and gets his D1 read wrong. That would be a waste.

My intention in proposing this apparently mad idea was twofold. First of all, to dissuade CommKnight from being too cocky about his gut, and anyone else from just slavishly following him. Secondly, I wanted too see people's reactions. I'm going to spend some time assessing those later today.

For the record I do stand by my assertion that a VT should not be afraid to die. A VT dying is not as good as scum dying, for sure - but it's way better than a PR dying. Plus, flips are informative. A lot of people have interacted with me today and if I died, those interactions could provide many clues.

That said, all things considered I'd prefer to stay alive, and I'm definitely town, so if you've got a good scumread, go for them - and tell us why. It's time to start bringing this phase home, my fellow townsfolk.


So... was that thing where you told people not to lynch the masons the same type of thing?



Erm, no. It was something else. I don't wish to discuss that at the moment.

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Post Post #419  (isolation #71)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:51 am

Haha... presumably a scum IC would have a one-shot power where they could get the GM to confirm that they are 100% scum. That should be called Guilty Child.

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Post Post #421  (isolation #72)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:55 am

In post 417, Lalendra wrote:

In post 410, Jamiet99uk wrote:Excellent.

The reaction to my challenge to CommKnight was very interesting. Everyone who said it was a bad idea is entirely correct. Of course I don't want CommKnight to commit to suiciding if he's town and gets his D1 read wrong. That would be a waste.

My intention in proposing this apparently mad idea was twofold. First of all, to dissuade CommKnight from being too cocky about his gut, and anyone else from just slavishly following him. Secondly, I wanted too see people's reactions. I'm going to spend some time assessing those later today.

For the record I do stand by my assertion that a VT should not be afraid to die. A VT dying is not as good as scum dying, for sure - but it's way better than a PR dying. Plus, flips are informative. A lot of people have interacted with me today and if I died, those interactions could provide many clues.

That said, all things considered I'd prefer to stay alive, and I'm definitely town, so if you've got a good scumread, go for them - and tell us why. It's time to start bringing this phase home, my fellow townsfolk.


1) Not sure if I believe this was all a ploy, or if this is backpedaling and "I MEANT TO DO THAT."
2) Remember how we were trying not to out the masons? Saying you're VT is narrowing the pool. We already talked about this. Stahp.
3) "I'm definitely town, fellow townsfolk" is the most LAMIST post I've ever seen.



I'm not trying to out the Masons or narrow the pool. Maybe you are.

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Post Post #425  (isolation #73)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:45 pm

@Lalendra: You're mistaken about what I'm trying to do. I'm not scum.

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Post Post #426  (isolation #74)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:46 pm

VOTE: Lalendra for fishing.

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Post Post #431  (isolation #75)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:08 pm

In post 428, Lalendra wrote:It's easy to say you're not scum, but you didn't refute my points.


If I did that, I would have to explain myself. That would be counter-productive at this time. Don't vote for me tho. Thanks.

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Post Post #434  (isolation #76)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:10 pm

Aubrey once again that image isn't loading properly, I can't see what it is.

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Post Post #438  (isolation #77)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:12 pm

Who is claiming VT? Me? Nonono.

(Aubrey I am using a computer)

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Post Post #443  (isolation #78)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:28 pm

In post 441, Lalendra wrote:In response to people telling you that your "challenge" to CK was a bad idea, you posted this:
In post 410, Jamiet99uk wrote:For the record I do stand by my assertion that a VT should not be afraid to die. A VT dying is not as good as scum dying, for sure - but it's way better than a PR dying. Plus, flips are informative. A lot of people have interacted with me today and if I died, those interactions could provide many clues.

You certainly didn't seem afraid to die, and said that your flip would be informative. For me that really sounds like you are soft-claiming VT.


Tunnel me more, please.

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Post Post #447  (isolation #79)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:39 pm

In post 446, Lalendra wrote:Yes, my continuing to push you on things you've said and refuse to defend, and calling you out on your unwillingness to explain yourself, is obviously just unfounded tunneling.


Perhaps your intention is well-founded and you just have no idea what I might be doing, but it's still tunnelling and it's not very helpful at this point. It's just becoming repetitious.

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Post Post #449  (isolation #80)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:53 pm

@Mod: Really, will there be a vote count?

(I'll do one myself but can't rely on it...)

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Post Post #450  (isolation #81)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:00 pm

VOTE COUNT 1.6.1 (UNOFFICIAL)

Jamiet99uk (5): Aubrey, Lalendra, Epic Fial, Quick, CommKnight
CommKnight (2): Chisa Yukizome, lucca261
Lalendra (2): Awoo, Jamiet99uk
Maki Harukawa (1): northsidegal
Epic Fial (1): CheekyTeeky
Lucca(1): Flavour Leaf
CheekyTeeky(1): Maki Harukawa


I hope that's correct...

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Post Post #460  (isolation #82)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:16 pm

@Cheeky: What order are those reads in? Most town at the top?

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Post Post #462  (isolation #83)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:33 pm

@Cheeky: Ok, why are you voting for Quick when your #1 scumread appears to be Lucca?

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Post Post #464  (isolation #84)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:57 pm

I'm the biggest wagon right now, but there are several days left to go.

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Post Post #465  (isolation #85)  » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:00 pm

Wait a second.... When does this phase end? I thought we had 14-day long Day phases? That's what I'm sure the Mod said when we started. But now I notice that when the game began the Mod announced there were 7 days until the phase ended. That would mean that Day 1 has already ended.

Am I dead?

@Mod - when does D1 end, please?

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Post Post #491  (isolation #86)  » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:44 am

In post 473, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 467, CommKnight wrote:Definitely a bit firmer of a readlist than before. I want to brush Jamiet off as a noob!Town. But his play is just soo scummy. Like I don't know any other site that I have ever played on that would read his play as town. So I can't even say "Oh, it's the culture over there." Because I bet if I entered the site, it definitely isn't.


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Jamie I know you have experience elsewhere but I really recommend playing in a newbie game where you get people playing who are "trained" to give you a handle on how things work on MS. The games are still competitive and fun imo.


Thanks Cheeky. As it happens, I joined this site in September (I think) and put my name down for several newbie games as well joining this queue. This was just the first one that started. The newbie games don't appear to get set up that oftwn. Certainly I've been in the newbie queue for over a month without a game starting.

I will respond to CommKnight in a moment. Give me a second, I'm posting by phone.

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Post Post #492  (isolation #87)  » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:07 am

In post 467, CommKnight wrote:{CheekyTeeky}
{Awoo, Aubrey}
{northsidegal, Maki Harukawa, Chisa Yukizome}
{Flavor Leaf, Quick, Epic Fial}
{Jamiet99uk, Lalendra, lucca261}

Definitely a bit firmer of a readlist than before. I want to brush Jamiet off as a noob!Town. But his play is just soo scummy. Like I don't know any other site that I have ever played on that would read his play as town. So I can't even say "Oh, it's the culture over there." Because I bet if I entered the site, it definitely isn't.

Also his bitching about the mod and replacements seems like he's trying to push the topic away from himself. Blaming it on the community when every mafia forum I used before this has always had a reserve list in case of site flakes or people taking on more than they can handle at the time. This is the first site where the game begins without a reserve list already made up that I've been to though. But that also means a lot of other sites are use to people replacing out or bailing as well. So his attitude is unneeded.

I think I'm just waiting to see some flips though before I can get into figuring this one out. There's a few ways it can go and I'm trying to do it where mafia are forced to out themselves.


@CommKnight: Which sites have you played on? List them.

Most of my experience comes from webDiplomacy on which nearly all the games are 18-25 player theme games. In that environment gambits are common and are not necessarily alignment indicative.

As for my complaint about replacements - yes, the odd substitution is unfortunately a neccessity. On webDip and vDip we'd have a subs list before the game begins (and I totally agree with you, that ought to be standard practice here). But we've had, what is it, four subs? In a 13-player game? I'm reassured to know that's not normal here, but it did kinda worry me. That's all. Certainly not AI.

I think Epic is right. You are less of a genius veteran super l-player than your ego thinks you are. Now you're voting me for completely non alignment indicative reasons.

Try harder.

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Post Post #493  (isolation #88)  » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:12 am

In post 468, Awoo wrote:Jamie is becoming a policy lynch.
A policy lynch that I support.
VOTE: jamiet99uk
Because otherwise it's too obvious who's getting mason'd, and that's bad. At least when we remove this from the game there is a good layer of ambiguity who the copshot lands on.

Is it bad if I think this slot isn't reaaaaaaly going to flip scum? I don't think this lynch is terrible for town as we also get some info on who's on wagons and stuff, who pushed him throughout the day, etc. But I don't reaaaly think it's going to flip scum.

A lot of my scumreads are on this wagon and I feel bad in that regard but read above.

:!: :!: I THINK THIS IS L-1 :!: :!:


You are misreading my intentions. I'm not attempting to get Masoned. If I am not a Mason the Masons should definitely not attempt to Mason me. I would strongly discourage any such action!

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Post Post #497  (isolation #89)  » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:21 am

Awoo must be certain I am town, and yet is trying to lynch me. The whole theory that I'm trying to get masonized makes no sense if you think I'm scum - because there's no way scum would want the masons to confirm their role. Thus Awoo knows I am town and is nevertheless attempting to lynch me.

There is only one sensible conclusion. Awoo is scum.

VOTE: Awoo

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Post Post #554  (isolation #90)  » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:13 pm

@Awoo: Do you think they're both scum together?

I'm less inclined to scumread Quick, out of that pair.

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Post Post #570  (isolation #91)  » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:08 am

@CommKnight: Your two cents are not worth 0.02 of a cent. Try harder.

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Post Post #572  (isolation #92)  » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:54 am

You are right. I should post some reads. Ok here they come:

MOST TOWN
Northsidegal, FlavourLeaf
Quick, Aubrey
Chisa Yukizome, Epic Fial
Maki Harukawa, Cheeky Teeky
Lucca261
CommKnight
Lalendra
Awoo
MOST SCUM

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Post Post #573  (isolation #93)  » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:55 am

I purport there are two scum in CommKnight, Lalendra, Awoo, Lucca261

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Post Post #575  (isolation #94)  » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:06 am

Well I'm at work and have limited time. Tonight I will do a full re-read on my four top scumreads, and my top townreads Northside and FlavaFlave, in case I'm wrong about them.

Stay tuned!

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Post Post #577  (isolation #95)  » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:36 am

Quick is actually thinking about things and not just screaming and shouting and stating the apparently obvious about things that are on the surface.

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Post Post #580  (isolation #96)  » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:48 pm

Actually Quick has been intelligent enough to notice something that many of you have failed to grasp.

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Post Post #595  (isolation #97)  » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:12 pm

Re-read on Northsidegal, as promised.

Subbed in on p.7 for Thomas of the Tiels who had not posted.

#171 on Lucca was constructive and towny and similar to my own thoughts as expressed at #149.

The #170/ #172/ #173 exchange with Maki on re-read just makes Northside look more Town and Maki look even more scum. Maki's post at 170 was just false, a complete mis-representation of Northside's actions and NS responded calmly. Maki's response was really quite weak.

#177, #182 and #188 strike me as genuine and investigative, or in the case of 188 explaining her approach to invesigative play. Pressing the point on Lucca in #222 and #226 likewise investigative, sensible, towny, trying to progress the game.

At #364 she responded very sensibly to my rxn test vs CommKnight.

On that same train of thought #496 hopefully now speaks for itself - certainly Awoo's "policy lynch" on me was either incredibly ill thought out, or incredibly scummy, and NS's reaction to it was the correct reaction in my view (and I'm not just saying that because it reduced the pressure on me).

Northsidegal is a strong townread for me, and on re-read nothing has changed in that respect. Why are people strongly scum-reading her, exactly?

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Post Post #596  (isolation #98)  » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:34 pm

I started my promised re-read of Flavour Leaf and immediately noticed something weird that totally calls me to question my townread...

Flavour Leaf replaced Assemblerotws who did actually post before subbing out. Assemble made all of four posts:

#11 Votes EpicFial
#31 Explains that was a random bullshit vote

(Vanishes for ages)

#203 Re-appears, buddies CommKnight hard.
#313 Buddies CommKnight again, subs out.

(Flavour Leaf subs in)

#372 Says hello (no content)
#374 Identifies that CommKnight is in the game, and takes the trouble to point out that CommKnight is experienced in open setups.
#375 Declares that CommKnight can sometimes be misread but is definitely town in this game.

Let's just stop at this point. This bothers me. Of the first 7 posts made by this slot, 4/7 are devoted to painting CommKnight as some kind of town hero whose reads must be respected. Why would both the initial player in this slot, and their replacement, devote so much positive attention to CommKnight?

I'd like Flavour Leaf to explain this.

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Post Post #615  (isolation #99)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:46 am

In post 603, CommKnight wrote:Note: Everyone who has experience with me are townreading me.

Think on that for a moment and then look at your reads.

Either I'm magically scum with everyone I've played with before or they're posting their actual read of me. Hmmm. What one could it be.

Also note that Flavor TR's me but I don't TR him. We've had multiple games together (same as the predecessor Assemble).

But you know, let's act like the TI and pretend that it's a conspiracy.



Just because some of them may "actually" townread you doesn't magically mean they're all correct. This is your best defence? A raw appeal to meta? You behaved this way as town before, so you MUST be town today? Bull. Shit.

Maybe if you spent a bit more time scumhunting, and a bit less time shouting at everyone who disagrees with you and telling us how big your testicles are, I'd have more sympathy with you.

As it is, you apparently just want everyone to follow you out of religious faith rather than for any logical reason, like you're the town messiah.

Try harder.

VOTE: CommKnight

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Post Post #618  (isolation #100)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:16 am

In post 616, Awoo wrote:You're literally voting someone because you don't like them


False.

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Post Post #619  (isolation #101)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:20 am

[quote="... then you can turn around and say quick is not scummy? Either hes's your partner or you are just really bad at actually reading content. [/quote]

I certainly hope that Quick is on the same team as me, yes - the Town Teem.

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Post Post #624  (isolation #102)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:13 am

What's your case on me, CommKnight? Could you summarise it?

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Post Post #625  (isolation #103)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:14 am

@Awoo: You think CommKnight *isn't* full of it? You think his posts are more substance than ego? Really?

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Post Post #647  (isolation #104)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:05 am

A re-read of Quick up to Page 22, citing only posts which are of significance
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#13: Queries Assemblerotws' vote. Wonders why there isn't more participation in the early stage.

#17 #18: Wants to know what alts are in play and posts a link to players in a previous game identifying their alts - including his own.

#25: Gives a logical answer to Aubrey's question about his own questioning of Assemblerotws.

#47: Doesn't think I should be lynched.

#49 (and again at #123): Explains his policy on quicklynches - seems a sound and logical policy (but is not town indicative as he himself says he always has this position).

#86 / 88 / 90 / 92 exchange with CheekyTeeky looks weird on re-read. Quick's vote on Cheeky for Cheeky's vote on Lucca being "horrible" either indicates Quick wasn't properly reading the thread, or... I dunno.

#144: Questions my first set of reads.

#220: Summary of current feelings. Explains his thought processes on several players so far.

#232: Questions Lalendra for having a vote parked on someone (me) they didn't scumread. Fair comment.

#245: Tries to get more participation from Epic.

#270: First inklings of a battle with CommKnight over CommKnight's "gut".

#282: Clogs up the thread by re-posting a lot of low-content crap from Aubrey. Not great.

#284: I didn't townread Lucca at this time but in retrospect Quick's discussion of Lucca's attack on Cheeky makes sense.

#302: Calls out CommKnight's bullshit. He's right. It's bullshit.

#352: Interrogates me, perfectly legitimately. At the time I was seeing how people would react to my gambit vs CommKnight, as you'll all recall.

#495, 498: Jumps from me to Awoo because of Awoo's awful PL post. Fair enough.

#513: I like this post.


On balance I still think Quick is more likely to be town than CommKnight, and if CommKnight is town, which I doubt, his attitude stinks.

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Post Post #650  (isolation #105)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:14 am

In post 600, Flavor Leaf wrote:CommKnight was one of the players that I recognized yet didn’t have a lot of experience with, as the game I did play with him, I replaced in, targeted him, didn’t put a lot of effort into it, then got night kill. Aubrey is kind of the same way. I don’t play a lot of open games. Not my thing. Generally I recognize the majority of players in games, maybe just not one or two, but over here that is not the case. Even the players I’m more familiar with I don’t have much experience with.



This is a very poor explanation in light of my question / observation regarding Assemblerotws being all "Comm is so great at reads!! You should all trust him!!" and then your first post about Comm basically being a declaration that you'd townread him all day today regardless.

How do you read him now?

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Post Post #651  (isolation #106)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:15 am

MY TR on Quick comes from the posts I indicate that I like.

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Post Post #654  (isolation #107)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:29 am

In post 653, Lalendra wrote:You also didn't include any information about WHY you liked those posts, as Awoo pointed out.


If you can't see why, that's your problem.

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Post Post #657  (isolation #108)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:21 pm

I'm not seeking to persuade you that Quick is town. I'm telling you that that is how I read him.

But if you've played enough Mafia, I've given you the clues.

Lalendra almost got there a moment ago.

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Post Post #658  (isolation #109)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:22 pm

You may draw your own conclusions.

Just try to make them the right ones.

Anyone who strongly townreads CommKnight: Why? Do you like being shouted at? Do you enjoy bright colours?

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Post Post #676  (isolation #110)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:11 pm

In post 669, lucca261 wrote:meh, Jamie is probably scum.

@jamie, 580: name your post. point to it. I don't like this one bit.


answer.


#513

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Post Post #703  (isolation #111)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:51 pm

@Northsidegal, Lalendra, Maki

Re-read CommKnight's ISO and tell me why you TR him.

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Post Post #704  (isolation #112)  » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:53 pm

In post 697, Chisa Yukizome wrote:knsmsjcndjuskalslslwkdkdkksks


What's this shit?

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Post Post #722  (isolation #113)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:55 am

In post 721, CommKnight wrote:
In post 717, Flubbernugget wrote:Comm,

My issue is that you seemed to have only started acting on that second point two days before deadline, and only on the single person you can use to make sure you're alive tomorrow.


So let's see. You have an issue with me pointing out flaws in someone who wants to 1v1 me and is refusing to look at other people.



If you mean Quick, did you just fail to notice that Quick just posted a detailed case on Awoo?

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Post Post #723  (isolation #114)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:56 am

@Mod: Are there 2 votes on Lalendra, or one?

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Post Post #727  (isolation #115)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:16 am

@Flubbeer: Reason for moving from Comm to Quick?

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Post Post #730  (isolation #116)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:46 pm

@CommKnight: She didn't think he was going to say that, about what I thought about them though, did you consider that?

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Post Post #731  (isolation #117)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:50 pm

In post 729, Awoo wrote:How to get townread by jamie: quantity > quality. By my calculations, the content of this post should confirm me as town in jamie's eyes.

Spoiler:
im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im
town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im tow
n im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im
town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im to
wn im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town
im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im
town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town im town


(I'm actually not going to rule out this mindset as noobtown thinking effort == towniness, but a red flip on quick is pretty damn incriminating to jamie.)



You're the third most prolific poster in the game and I scumread you, so clearly that's not true. Keep on making shit up, go ahead.

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Post Post #734  (isolation #118)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:52 pm

In post 733, lucca261 wrote:@jamie, do you townread me? because your read on my slot seems to change to further your narrative.


I find you hard to read. I've been inclined to scumread you at times yet you do seem investigative at least some of the time as well. I'm currently leaning town. I said there were four scum in CommKnight, Awoo, Lalendra and you, and right now I'm of the opinion it's the first two.

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Post Post #736  (isolation #119)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:55 pm

Note that Flubbernugget is now Cheeky

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Post Post #737  (isolation #120)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:56 pm

That is, Flubberknugget took over

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Post Post #744  (isolation #121)  » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:37 pm

In post 740, Quick wrote:For Comm, I don't think he ever really says he should be town read, but I can totally see him using like some kinda subliminal messaging which is trying to push the agenda that he is Town.

Go ahead and ISO him and search "Town".



I dislike this.

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Post Post #754  (isolation #122)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:06 am

Has the phase ended?

Are we still allowed to talk?

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Post Post #758  (isolation #123)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:23 am

Wait I don't understand.

Aubrey said his vote was the HAMMER on Quick. Doesn't that mean the phase ends immediately with Quick being lynched?

Why are you people still posting and voting? Don't we have to wait now?

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Post Post #761  (isolation #124)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:37 am

In post 752, Quick wrote:Screw you all.


This looks like a townie response to dying, unless Quick is just a sore loser.

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Post Post #774  (isolation #125)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:01 am

So... basically.... Aubrey fucked up, phase has not ended, Quick is not lynched yet. That's the actual status, yeah?

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Post Post #775  (isolation #126)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:03 am

In post 773, Epic Fial wrote:If nobody gets me, I have fialed. Comm should get me, of all people left in the game.


Everyone is left in the game.
No-one has died yet.
You've eaten
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Post Post #780  (isolation #127)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:52 am

In post 777, Aubrey wrote:OH SHIT MAKI UNVOTED! I thought she was voting Comm.


Are you just being shit on purpose now?

If Maki was on Comm instead of on "Unvote" that would have made zero difference to whether your vote on Quick was the hammer, or not.

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Post Post #781  (isolation #128)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:54 am

In post 778, Quick wrote:Just Lynch me. I don't see Comm getting enough votes to get lynched and prolly no way in hell anyone else gets a sizable wagon in time before EOD.


Sure if that's what you really want?

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Post Post #785  (isolation #129)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:10 am

In post 783, Aubrey wrote:I'm going to be direct and somewhat cold about this. If I feel like you're scraping by, and your content isn't matching the norm in your catchups, and you say' "well life is busy" I straight up won't give a damn. I'm understanding to a busy schedule, holidays, and RL troubles but at some point your content has to fully make up and account for that lack of activity.

This doesn't just pertain to you but to everyone.


Whom art thou addressing?
Please do try to make yourself clear.

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Post Post #789  (isolation #130)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:27 am

Quick is at L-1
He is not claiming.
He says he wants to be lynched.
I think he is VT
I think his response to *thinking* Aubrey's vote was the hammer was either the response of a VT or a very sore loser.

I also think these 14 day long phases are totally absurd. We've long since reached a point where people are a bit switched off and waiting for the phase to end. There's just no need for day phases of this stupid length. Whose idea was it?

I will hammer Quick if that's what he actually wants. It will give us some new information to talk about, at least.

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Post Post #790  (isolation #131)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:29 am

@Everyone: If you've played with Quick before, is he a sore loser likely to bitch and swear if he's scum and gets caught?

@Quick: Shall I end your misery?

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Post Post #812  (isolation #132)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:55 pm

In post 811, Awoo wrote:maybe i am maybe im not, you're basically a ghost while I've got your avatar blocked


Talking of avatara, why do you have this banner over your avatar that says you're AFK or unable to post or something, yet here you are constantly posting?

Just keeping a convenient excuse handy so you can't be associated with anything that happens while you "weren't here"?

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Post Post #816  (isolation #133)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:05 pm

In post 795, CommKnight wrote:
In post 777, Aubrey wrote:OH SHIT MAKI UNVOTED! I thought she was voting Comm.


:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

VOTE: Jamie

^ Next in line for scum lynch. I got class at the moment... but that was an epic fail on more than one instances.

1.) For pointing out it wasn't the hammer. (Hint: When you can make someone believe it's the hammer, push them to admit they're scum)..


More bullshit from CommKnight.

First of all, go back and actually look at what happened in the moments immediately after Aubrey declared the (incorrect) hammer. If you bother to do that you'll notice Quick did react, well before anyone pointed out the vote wasn't at 7. It was actually Awoo, not me, who pointed out the phase wasn't ending yet. And yet it's me, not Awoo, who you're attacking fot this. So:

- It was Awoo and not me who drew attention to the fact the hammer hasn't dropped,
- Quick had already responded in any case by that point,
- So voting for this alleged reason is based on either a mis-reading of events, or a bullshit false narrative.

Second of all, using the game mechanics, rather than your deductive skills, to trick people into revealing things should be considered cheating. It would be on some other sites. You're a piece of shit, and a bad sport, Comm.

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Post Post #817  (isolation #134)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:07 pm

If I was trying to get Quick lynched, I could obviously have done it by now. Fucking hell.

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Post Post #818  (isolation #135)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:09 pm

In post 813, lucca261 wrote:
look at this reaction to the fake hammer. look at how he wants to be excused for the hammer he was about to do. he knew quick was flipping town. his is just making that not so obvious.


Holy cocksucking christ. I was attempting to persuade Quick not to demand his own death.

Wow.

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Post Post #821  (isolation #136)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:14 pm

Christ on a fucking bike. I quit.

I'm town. The thing I didn't want to explain was that I spent the early part of this phase attempting to imply I was a slightly n00b Mason who wanted to be read as a VT to avoid the NK. This was intended to draw the NK onto me so a real Mason would be protected. I assume Quick noticed this, but the rest of you...

Enjoy the rest of the game. Fucking hell what a shower of fucking shit.

VOTE: JamieT

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Post Post #823  (isolation #137)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:22 pm

Scum is probably CommKnight, Awoo and one of Lucca or [insert lurkers here]

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Post Post #824  (isolation #138)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:24 pm

In post 822, CommKnight wrote:Poor sportsmanship. If you're town, you can push a VIABLE lynch. But hey, you've been anti-town this far, so why not carry this through to make sure you aren't trying to be let off the hook like Quick was.


CommKnight:

- Likes manipulating the game mechanics to trap players into revealing their role in a manner that's regarded as cheating on other sites.

- Accuses someone else of poor sportsmanship.

What. Fucking. Ever.

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Post Post #826  (isolation #139)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:35 pm

In post 825, CommKnight wrote:And what mechanics have I manipulated?


You scolded me for allegedly denying you the chance to do it. I already talked about this within last 2 pages. Go and read.

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Post Post #828  (isolation #140)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:37 pm

In post 827, CommKnight wrote:That isn't manipulating mechanics or cheating. That's perception that it was a hammer vote and getting someone to confess.

I know, crazy. But it happens on this site.


Yes, it is manipulating the mechanics. It absolutely is.

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Post Post #831  (isolation #141)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:09 pm

I've spent 13 days trying to help town while the likes of CommKnight and Eric stroke their egos and tell fairy tales. I'm self voting because we might as well end this phase now. My flip might at least give you some information. If you don't want me dead, vote for someone else.

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Post Post #832  (isolation #142)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:11 pm

In post 829, CommKnight wrote:I think the next game you play should be a newbie.


Been in the Newbie game queue since early September and still waiting.

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Post Post #838  (isolation #143)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:12 pm

VOTE: Lalendra

This is an ok wagon for me.

@Awoo: I've put my name in the newbie game sign up thread, my name is listed in the P1 post where the queue is held, and I've exchanged PMs witg the penguin that runs the queue. What am I missing?

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Post Post #842  (isolation #144)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:31 pm

In post 839, Awoo wrote:have you tried double checking that P1 post where the queue is held? :shifty:


Yeah. A game just started with me in it. Only took two whole months.

viewtopic.php?p=9718132#p9718132

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Post Post #843  (isolation #145)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:33 pm

Has Chisa Yukizome posted in the last 3 or 4 days?

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Post Post #844  (isolation #146)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:03 pm

Of the 4 people currently voting me, Lalendra thinks I might be town and is basically policy lynching me for being "rude". Jeebus, don't be such a petal.

The other three I ask this question: Did you see my post about my gambit to draw the NK (which you have all now fucked) and if you did see it, doesn't my behaviour make more sense now? Was such a gambit just too complex for the regimented "you-must-play-our-way" attitude some of you seem to have? Because I don't care about your site meta.

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Post Post #846  (isolation #147)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:19 pm

In post 845, Awoo wrote:Bully all those who do not conform to our culture of peace and harmony


No such thing exists. Are you willing to answer my actual question, or are you confirmed scum?

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Post Post #848  (isolation #148)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:24 pm

@Awoo, CommKnight, etc: Either you re-analyse my behaviour on the basis of the additional information I've now revealed, or you confirm you're not interested in solving the game or finding scum.

It should be 95%+ clear to everyone now that I'm not scum. I don't care if you like my attitude. I don't like yours.

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Post Post #849  (isolation #149)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:39 pm

@Mod: Has Chisa been prodded lately or are they meeting the participation requirements?

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Post Post #851  (isolation #150)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:56 pm

Can you just put yourself in V/LA and then not have to participate?

How does that work?

Is that what Awoo has been banking on?

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Post Post #853  (isolation #151)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:14 pm

I'm annoyed by so many things right now.

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Post Post #858  (isolation #152)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:37 pm

@Aubrey: Re: Spoiler #2 - I never said it was against the rules *here* in this weird plane of existence. I said it was manipulating the game mechanics in an unsporting manner, which I absolutely stand by.

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Post Post #859  (isolation #153)  » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:39 pm

"You're not breaking any rules by doing this because you're trying to gleam information in the pursuit of your win con within the game."

Hacking someone's password to read their role PM would be "not breaking the rules" if this is the only definition, btw.

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Post Post #874  (isolation #154)  » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:49 am

VOTE: CommKnight

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Post Post #875  (isolation #155)  » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:47 am

In post 844, Jamiet99uk wrote:Of the 4 people currently voting me, Lalendra thinks I might be town and is basically policy lynching me for being "rude". Jeebus, don't be such a petal.

The other three I ask this question: Did you see my post about my gambit to draw the NK (which you have all now fucked) and if you did see it, doesn't my behaviour make more sense now? Was such a gambit just too complex for the regimented "you-must-play-our-way" attitude some of you seem to have? Because I don't care about your site meta.


CommKnight hasn't answered this. I would like an answer.

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Post Post #878  (isolation #156)  » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:27 am

Shit only 1 hour 30 left til EoD?

@Mod Vote Count pleez!

I think I'm on 4, CommKnight's on 4 or 5, Lalendra and Quick on 2 or 3 each...

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Post Post #879  (isolation #157)  » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:47 am

Anyone who isn't on me or CommKnight should really make a choice right about now.

For the defence, I'll point out that I've been honest about my gambit and ehy I was being unforthcoming earlier. I've answered all questions. Allegations made against me by CommKnight and Awoo are demonstrablu false.

For the prosecution, look at how CommKnight is refusing to look at new information and has locked in his read on me despite all that's been revealed and discussed since he did so. He sees me as an easy lynch since Awoo and Lalendra said they'd policy lynch me. Do you want to be on a wagon alongside people who *do not* scumread me and are just voting me because they find me abrasive?

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Post Post #885  (isolation #158)  » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:04 am

DAY HAS ENDED!

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Post Post #886  (isolation #159)  » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:06 am

Where is the Mod? Why wasn't there a Vote Count as EoD approached?

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Post Post #888  (isolation #160)  » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:14 am

Ahh ok. Whenever I mod a game, I make sure I'm online constantly for the two hours leading to EoD. So it looks like nobody was lynched. That's a shame as it deprives us of the information from the flip.

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Post Post #895  (isolation #161)  » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:58 am

Woohoo replacement number 6, in a 13-player game.

RIP Northsidegal, you did your best. That's a big loss because it means we're not only down a Mason, but we don't have a copscan now.

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Post Post #903  (isolation #162)  » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:01 pm

In post 901, Quick wrote:
In post 900, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: quick

I bet a speedwagon here will make awoo jump off again


Another naked vote.

Let's see how many of these we get.



It wasn't a naked vote. He voted to see if Awoo would have the courage of her convictions. It says so right there in Flubber's post.

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Post Post #925  (isolation #163)  » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:40 pm

VOTE: Awoo

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Post Post #1013  (isolation #164)  » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:04 am

Seems like I'm being banned out of this game for some kind of rule violation.

Mafiascum is a shitty site. I'm leaving. Have your fun.


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