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I'm down with a Misere lynch but I have to say I want to see the replacement do stuff first.

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Then read my recent town game, Tora.

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I'll lynch whoever Toranaga tells me to lynch except my town reads minus Thor. And I'll lynch especially between Misere and BBT replacements.

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Except he's someone I town read. Trust me on this. He's one of the people to put in LYLO.

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Thor's got a scum tone that gives me a gutread I can't shake off.

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I just realized I don't know Sergtacos' scum game enough to say that he's town for his gamesolving.

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I think I haven't placed much effort into actually reading somebody. Just saw some posts and then declared my read. This is my worst town game, I think. I got a scumread on Thor that I'm forever procrastinating about.

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So since I'm in the lynch pool, I'm gonna do a re-read of the players and tell you what I think. That's what's on top of my to-do list.

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Also mass claim

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I think roleblockers (which is logical to exist because of the existence of investigative roles) are most likely to be bussing other scum and the way Thor is pushing that there's scum within the PRs (all of which I highly townread, and highly townreadable, or highly logical to be town) is suspect. That's why I'm looking at Thor to be a roleblocker. If Thor, WhyMafia, and Mulch is the final LYLO, we win. Actually, Mulch, Thor, and someone obvtown. Just that Mulch and Thor needs to be in LYLO. Because Thor is right, even if he is scum bussing partners, we should be sheeping him anyway.

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Mulch - Fruit Vendor - Town
humaneatingmonkey - Vanilla Town - I can confirm.
Thor665 - Vaguely Claimed Vanilla Town - Questionable Town Status. Possible Scum PR.
Sergtacos - Vanilla Town - I haven't read his scum games yet to confirm that his town tell is stoner-logic WIFOM gamesolving.
WhyMafia - Miller - Likely to be true because of the nature of our investigative roles. Also, I can townread him.
Toranaga - Odd-Town Tracker - Likely to be true. He's likely to be town. I'm counting on him dying on N3 so that I can finally lock-town him but by that point it's useless. For now, I trust him.
lime in da coconut - Unclaimed - No opinion on this player. Although BBT is a slot that I scumread.
Chip Butty - Vanilla Town - This player I can't read properly but the way he stirs up shit earlier into the discussion and the way he patently misrepresents things and spins angles to make things scummy when it is not make me scumread him.
havingfitz - Vanilla Town - No opinion on this player. I was townreading his slot for town-sounding posts but it could just be scum-perspective and fake-town. Someone made a good point about his process not being genuine. I have no opinion on that. Maybe it is. Maybe it's not.

People that I'm willing to lynch:
I'm not a VCA expert. But I'm willing to bet that there's a scum that DIDN'T BUS. Those candidates are me, BBT (lime), and Misere (fitz). Since I'm town, it's just choosing between BBT and fitz. If fitz isn't scum, he should be lynching lime with me. If lime isn't scum, he should be lynching fitz with me.

Between BBT and fitz, I've learned my lesson that scum aren't usually the most anti-town—especially if they're a veteran. What's hard is that both of these players are inactive during skitter's lynch so I don't really know how to read them around that.

We now have to understand why BBT switched votes from skitter to Chip Butty.

VOTE: Skitter

Chip, your read on me has changed?

Just found it strange how Chip went from wanting to lynch me to not being concerned about me.

He didn't answer how that changed and instead just waffled about playstyle.

VOTE: Chip

This seems pretty good. A lot of his posts are coming across as LAMIST

This is his process. I judge it as bad.

At the same vein, I ISO'd Misere and find his posts and process to be good.

I'm not gonna change my vote after all.

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I guess BBT's anti-town is an experiment of how much anti-town you can get before being declared as impossible to be scum. If someone would have conducted an experiment about meta, it's someone who has a signature like BBT.

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Plus the SHEER DIFFICULTY in getting him lynched yesterday is a testament on how scummy this slot is.

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Wow so Sergtacos has never been scum in this site. I think I'm just gonna trust his consistency then.

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Correction, havingfitz is not a claimed Vanilla Town. He's unclaimed too. I just brainfarted.

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Why is Mulch still scum even tho you just confirmed that he's a fruit vendor? Isn't he easy to sort in LYLO then if he's a scum fruit vendor? If so, why do you still want to lynch him? Oh my good.

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Would a mafia fruit vendor be able to night kill and give fruit at the same time or is he only able to do one thing at a time?

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Actually, you feel so fake to me right now.

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Mulch, can you provide examples of scum fruit vendors in MS? Right now, I'm basing all my defense on you at the fact that you would be easily sortable in LYLO because you would only be able to do one thing at a time (send fruit or kill). However, if there are examples in which scum fruit vendors are able to do both, I will reevaluate. So now you just have to give me links.

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That's why we need to sort obv towns ASAP. Now I'm thinking you're difficult to sort in LYLO. I don't know how you'd play as scum and you had a weird progression with skitter.

Tell me why you're not scum.

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That's why we need to sort obv towns ASAP. Now I'm thinking you're difficult to sort in LYLO. I don't know how you'd play as scum and you had a weird progression with skitter.

Tell me why you're not scum.

I agree with the sorting and if I'm difficult to sort then lynch me before LYLO if thats the best case scenario.

What progression?

Idk, maybe Virtuoso made me not scum?

i'll address your progression later when im not going to bed. good night.

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It's so simple. We find out if Mulch can do both actions in one night. If he can't, we lynch him. BRB looking at Mulch's example.

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*If he can't, we don't lynch him.

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I don't want to read Mulch's ISO. Too much work. I'll just say these points:

1. I agree about Havo needing to hardclaim. His softclaim wasn't believable enough, especially since he was flaky about the mechanics of his role when he was upfront about the whole name. If you can tell us that you're a Loyal Town Cop, why can't you tell us how it works? You're dead anyway. He was just a bad town player.
2. He needs to stay if he can't use both night actions in one night.
3. The Toranaga-Mulch duel looked town vs town to me.

I'm PM-ing mastina, the mod for that game, to ask if the fruit vendor can use both night actions at the same time.

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idk miller is an acceptable claim AT THE START OF THE DAY if coincidentally there's a loyal cop.

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Are you sure that's not an OMGUS to his read to you? Porkens' "fresh perspective" isn't really that fleshed out and he hasn't really discussed his reads. You jumping at the nearest opportunity to 180 on just a little nudge is suspect.

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I want everyone to flip right now I think it's interesting to know who's what here. Everyone's so fucking scummy.

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Here's what we're gonna do:

We're gonna lynch between Porkens and havingfitz. ISO me and refer to my case.

We're not gonna lynch Toranaga if he can be confirmed with a death.
We're not gonna lynch Mulch if he's likely able to use only one of his night actions.
We're not gonna lynch Thor because he pushed for Skitter hardest.
We're not gonna lynch WhyMafia because he's the most obvtown between all of us.
We're not gonna lynch Chip Butty because of his involvement with Skitter's lynch.
I hope we don't lynch me.

While all these talks about how we might all be scum, it just confuses the fuck out of me. Let's get our shit together.

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Thor, why is Sergtacos scum? I had him as town because of my last game with him, he had a similar vibe. I'm not so sure anymore. Why can't we lynch between Porkens and havingfitz instead?

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Why are you not lynching BBT/Porkens? Because of those two posts? *insert shit emojis here*

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We're gonna lynch between Porkens and havingfitz.

Err...I'm not scum ffs. Did you attend the Mulch school of scumhunting?

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I did not read the 80+ pages at joining due to it immediately going to night and wanting to ensure I was still alive come D3. As the game has now ballooned to 100 pages catching up might be awhile.

Also...

FYI mod...I'll be v/la for a wedding Friday afternoon till Tuesday morning (Oct 8th).

errr that's not even anything i will not lynch you for

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It's really stupid to lynch Mulch. Havingfitz or Porkens. If both these slots are scumreading Mulch, I doubt Mulch is scum.

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what the fuck Misere and BBT was off the goon wagon because they were being replaced smh

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Let's wagon Sergtacos. VOTE: Sergtacos

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no let's talk about Sergtacos more

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I want a Sergtacos wagon to see his reaction tho and if I don't like what I'm seeing I'm gonna continue to lynch him.

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hey im a nice person

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Are you a miller?

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lol

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Yeah no. OMGUS may have been the Serg-town reaction that I was looking for but not through this manner. Serg is scum.

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IDK it feels like I'll get the same reaction announced or unannounced. So that makes me scum?

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Sorry. You failed. You'll die today.

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Yep. That's better. More confident with my Sergtacos read now. I'm not lynching Serg, Thor. You have to do Porkens or Havingfitz. I think you're wrong about Serg.

VOTE: Porkens. I'll vote the waffler.

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I don't give a crap about you removing me from your "strong scum list". First of all, they're bad reasons. That's kind of the point. Second, if I'm town, someone else will scum about and everyone will figure that out instead. You have ZERO power to sway the town into lynching me. I have no trouble with a push towards me right now because I'm not LYLO-worthy. I'm not a PR. If I flip, people can see what happened to my wagon. If that happens earlier, the better. Also, associating me with Mulch without him flipping is the opposite of top-notch scumhunting.

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Would you like me to go ahead and tell you why your reasons are bad? I think you know deep down you conf-biased the fuck out of me because you're just OMGUSing me. You turned everything into a narrative that I'm town. You have no method of knowing who's scum whatsoever. I will be scum because I called you scum regardless of how actually townie I have been.

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And that's kind of the point. I was sorting you. I had no meta that can back up why you're scum.

Also, about the "meta sucks". I already told everyone here that meta is unreliable and we shouldn't lynch people because of that. Only when you're trying to sort out people. It's a tool but it's not what should guide your decisions. But if Toranaga operates at that level, I'm gonna have to communicate at a level that he can understand me. So he can sort me better. I have no idea how I play as town, but I have no doubt that if I'm town, he'll see the difference in my meta since he does that.

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I'm not pissy tho

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There are a lot of edits that need to be made in my above posts but you'll figure it out. I'm writing on my mobile.

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No just go ahead and continue posting. Just don't expect me to Q+ every point line-by-line and 1v1 you into submission.

Last post. sorry if it was spammy

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So Porkens, who aren't you willing to lynch?

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No I've been thinking about it too, Chippy. That's why I asked Porkens who he didn't want to lynch because it seemed like he was down to lynch anyone. I mean if you don't have anyone you don't want to lynch, that's not townie at all.

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see? there you go guy, there you go.

in reference to lynching himself

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Just tell who to kill game, Jesus cheist

this looked like he'll lynch anyone too

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WOW

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No ragrets. Porkens was extra scummy. Goodbye toranaga.

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Yes Toranagger will die or he's scum. I don't think I'll risk it if I'm scum to let him alive just to get the town to mislynch him. Toranaga can talk his way out of it as town.

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If Porkens flips scum, we have the luxury to lynch Mulch. Because Porkens' flip clears a bunch of people. But I dont want to read based on relationships and interactions anymore past D1 because bussing can be coordinated.

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I didnt read Fykus' softclaim as a PR tho. I read it that he was claiming VT

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Sure I mean the town also has a luxury to lynch me

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Because him claiming VT was genuine enough. I dont want to lynch a VT. I want to lynch scum.

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Im actually counting on Porkens being scum tho so thats wrong

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I'm a town backup tho. Hardclaim. Yes. Im a cop now since Havo's death

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Take that as you will. I want to guide your reading while its night so you dont fixate me being scum

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100% sure that whatever I claim right bow, scum will ignore it to kill you. Because im easy lynchable.

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I dont know lmao im high i felt like i should claim

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Tomorrow I will say the checks so that they will not be NKed. I will not say anything before that.

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Im not gonna NKed tho because Toranaga is gonna die. Tomorrow well have a VERY narrow lynchpool.

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Its also good that no one believes my claim tbh. So just keep on doing that.

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Scum is as good as dead tbh. Lynch me tomorrow, I will be confirmed town. Then youll lynch the final scum(s). This isnt a game they can win anymore. They might as well throw the game.

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LMAO in before the mods decide theyre gonna give the day another chance for a proper hammer and i get flashlynched

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Not gonna say anything about my peek until tomorrow. I hold all the cards now. No reason to reveal it all.

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Or the scum has an OP PR.

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Am I drawing the NK, maybe. DONT READ INTO IT IM FUCKING CRAZY. Your best guess is to kill the tracker or the cop. EITHER WAY SCUM IS SCREWED.

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Lmao just understand that Im 100% confident that my strategy will win us this game. Tomorrow youll know.

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Its better for you to think Im scum. I prematurely claimed because aside from being high, I have my suspicions that I will be NKed instead of Toranaga because Toranaga will be accountable for a lynch if D4 hes still alive.

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Imagine if I got NKed, thr guy who said Toranaga will die or hes scum, Toranaga is still alive. Its a perfect setup. This way, the scum HAS NO CHOICE but to kill Toranaga because of the thick WIFOM.

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But then that will confirm TWO townies and LYO wouldnt be a probelm anymore.

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Fuck you Ive been protown since D1

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Lets answer the real questions: Why would anyone kill me that night?

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Hey Toranaga. You are good at this game. You just need to get better at being agreeable. But you're fine. Thanks for bringing us to a win.

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Serg you were effective against me because I had shit tell on yoi. Even had me on your pocket.

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Thor congratulations on the success of your recent movie.

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Well, it's Thor665. Of course I'm talking about the latest Blade Runner movie.

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Ariiiiiii

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Toranaga, want to do a hydra with me? Teach me how to play town.