In post 849, Jamiet99uk wrote:@Mod: Has Chisa been prodded lately or are they meeting the participation requirements?
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it looks like we've got a few people on at the same time here, so now's a good time for discussion.
really? nothing to add or comment on?In post 854, Lalendra wrote:Well this is going well- Jamiet99uk
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I’d rather quick than Chisa.
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You're taking an extreme move and comparing it to a light one, plus we can all attest that hacking is completely against the rules and grounds for permanent banning. Not to mention I said "within the game/thread" Hacking is gaining personal info on someone outside of the thread and general rules we have established here. The only grey areas in this "thread" rule is meta and referencing old games in comparison to your current game.- Aubrey
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so i felt like commenting on the morality of fake hammering but i didn't want an unrelated discussion to be the only part of my post, so here are some more relevant posts to look at when considering the context of jamie's claimed gambit.In post 102, Jamiet99uk wrote:I'm thinking about our Masons. Important we keep them alive if we can. They effectively have a 1-shot copscan.In post 252, Jamiet99uk wrote:In post 240, Epic Fial wrote:
What steps shall we take to keep the masons alive?In post 102, Jamiet99uk wrote:I'm thinking about our Masons. Important we keep them alive if we can. They effectively have a 1-shot copscan.
Let's try not to lynch them.In post 414, Jamiet99uk wrote:In post 413, Quick wrote:
So... was that thing where you told people not to lynch the masons the same type of thing?In post 410, Jamiet99uk wrote:Excellent.
The reaction to my challenge to CommKnight was very interesting. Everyone who said it was a bad idea is entirely correct. Of course I don't want CommKnight to commit to suiciding if he's town and gets his D1 read wrong. That would be a waste.
My intention in proposing this apparently mad idea was twofold. First of all, to dissuade CommKnight from being too cocky about his gut, and anyone else from just slavishly following him. Secondly, I wanted too see people's reactions. I'm going to spend some time assessing those later today.
For the record I do stand by my assertion that a VT should not be afraid to die. A VT dying is not as good as scum dying, for sure - but it's way better than a PR dying. Plus, flips are informative. A lot of people have interacted with me today and if I died, those interactions could provide many clues.
That said, all things considered I'd prefer to stay alive, and I'm definitely town, so if you've got a good scumread, go for them - and tell us why. It's time to start bringing this phase home, my fellow townsfolk.
Erm, no. It was something else. I don't wish to discuss that at the moment.In post 493, Jamiet99uk wrote:
You are misreading my intentions. I'm not attempting to get Masoned. If I am not a Mason the Masons should definitely not attempt to Mason me. I would strongly discourage any such action!In post 468, Awoo wrote:Jamie is becoming a policy lynch.
A policy lynch that I support.
VOTE: jamiet99uk
Because otherwise it's too obvious who's getting mason'd, and that's bad. At least when we remove this from the game there is a good layer of ambiguity who the copshot lands on.
Is it bad if I think this slot isn't reaaaaaaly going to flip scum? I don't think this lynch is terrible for town as we also get some info on who's on wagons and stuff, who pushed him throughout the day, etc. But I don't reaaaly think it's going to flip scum.
A lot of my scumreads are on this wagon and I feel bad in that regard but read above.
I THINK THIS IS L-1
(this one relates to his recent comment that he felt quick picked up on his mason gambit)In post 580, Jamiet99uk wrote:Actually Quick has been intelligent enough to notice something that many of you have failed to grasp.
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For the confident case you had on quick this makes no sense
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Flubber, you're doing super bad right now. You're acting like people can't change reads as new information presents itself and I am not sure if you have scum motivation in pushing that narrative or if you really are just that much of a VI.- northsidegal
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Sure.In post 866, northsidegal wrote:@flubber and @comm, both of you either justify where your vote is right now or move it in your very next post.
CommKnight (3): Epic Fial, Quick, Maki Harukawa
Quick (1): Flubbernugget,
lucca261 (1): Flavor Leaf
Jamiet99uk (4): CommKnight, lucca261, Awoo, Lalendra
Lalendra (3): northsidegal, Jamiet99uk, Aubrey
Not voting: Chisa Yukizome
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2017-11-03 10:00:00)
^ Current status of votes.
3 biggest wagons: Myself, Jamiet and Lale. No one else is even viable. You're asking me to move my vote off the CURRENT BIGGEST WAGON and onto someone I have a more townier read from.
Not gonna happen. I'm voting one of the current potential lynches. So what if you TR Jamie. I sure as hell do not. My vote stays. Jamie or bust.- northsidegal
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no, i'm fine with this response. what i wanted to gather from that was either a current read or a changed vote - the main point was to avoid anyone just coasting through the end of this day. the next step is your justification beyond wagon numbers - if you scumread jamie, what's your response to the mason gambit? if you townread lalendra, what's your justification on that and what's your response to 835 and 836? you had lalendra as one of the scummiest in 467 and as null in 612, and apparently townread her now to the point where it's not a viable lynch. what changed?In post 867, CommKnight wrote:You're asking me to move my vote off the CURRENT BIGGEST WAGON and onto someone I have a more townier read from.
Not gonna happen. I'm voting one of the current potential lynches. So what if you TR Jamie. I sure as hell do not. My vote stays. Jamie or bust.- Aubrey
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Why am I not dead? I am shocked actually.
Now that I think about it, I could prolly try and flesh out my progression on North better.
Its was kinda a quick thought process. It just kinda clicked that North was playing far more Pro-Town than I was giving them credit for. That's the long and short of it.- northsidegal
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Pretty much this exactly:In post 813, lucca261 wrote:I would love a Jamie lynch today. In fact, I won't be here in the deadline, so this is probably my last post today:
VOTE: Jamie. vote it, quick, there are no reason whatsoever you can think it's a town slot. no reason.
look at this reaction to the fake hammer. look at how he wants to be excused for the hammer he was about to do. he knew quick was flipping town. his 790 is just making that not so obvious.
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seconding this point - i read what you said you were trying to do and had an instant moment of "oh, that makes sense". if there are people who believe jamie's behavior earlier this game is due to incompetence or to scum awkwardness, to reconcile that view and this claimed strategy you would have to believe that in the time period between then and now jamie gained enough knowledge of the game or experience to both realize how awkard what he was saying sounded and to come up with a believable explanation for it. i think the far simpler and more likely answer is that it was a planned strategy, as claimed. it just makes a lot of sense looking back that it was a deliberate attempt to put forward a newbie image. of course, it's not as if this strategyIn post 844, Jamiet99uk wrote:Of the 4 people currently voting me, Lalendra thinks I might be town and is basically policy lynching me for being "rude". Jeebus, don't be such a petal.
The other three I ask this question: Did you see my post about my gambit to draw the NK (which you have all now fucked) and if you did see it, doesn't my behaviour make more sense now? Was such a gambit just too complex for the regimented "you-must-play-our-way" attitude some of you seem to have? Because I don't care about your site meta.couldn'thave come from scum, but again - i'd say the far more likely answer is that it shows a town thought process / motivation.
relevant quotes:In post 421, Jamiet99uk wrote:In post 417, Lalendra wrote:
1) Not sure if I believe this was all a ploy, or if this is backpedaling and "I MEANT TO DO THAT."In post 410, Jamiet99uk wrote:Excellent.
The reaction to my challenge to CommKnight was very interesting. Everyone who said it was a bad idea is entirely correct. Of course I don't want CommKnight to commit to suiciding if he's town and gets his D1 read wrong. That would be a waste.
My intention in proposing this apparently mad idea was twofold. First of all, to dissuade CommKnight from being too cocky about his gut, and anyone else from just slavishly following him. Secondly, I wanted too see people's reactions. I'm going to spend some time assessing those later today.
For the record I do stand by my assertion that a VT should not be afraid to die. A VT dying is not as good as scum dying, for sure - but it's way better than a PR dying. Plus, flips are informative. A lot of people have interacted with me today and if I died, those interactions could provide many clues.
That said, all things considered I'd prefer to stay alive, and I'm definitely town, so if you've got a good scumread, go for them - and tell us why. It's time to start bringing this phase home, my fellow townsfolk.
2) Remember how we were trying not to out the masons? Saying you're VT is narrowing the pool. We already talked about this. Stahp.
3) "I'm definitely town, fellow townsfolk" is the most LAMIST post I've ever seen.
I'm not trying to out the Masons or narrow the pool. Maybe you are.In post 425, Jamiet99uk wrote:@Lalendra: You're mistaken about what I'm trying to do. I'm not scum.In post 431, Jamiet99uk wrote:
If I did that, I would have to explain myself. That would be counter-productive at this time. Don't vote for me tho. Thanks.In post 428, Lalendra wrote:It's easy to say you're not scum, but you didn't refute my points.In post 447, Jamiet99uk wrote:
Perhaps your intention is well-foundedIn post 446, Lalendra wrote:Yes, my continuing to push you on things you've said and refuse to defend, and calling you out on your unwillingness to explain yourself, is obviously just unfounded tunneling., but it's still tunnelling and it's not very helpful at this point. It's just becoming repetitious.and you just have no idea what I might be doing- Quick
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I'll hammer any of the three wagons just to get a lynch, but ofc I prefer Comm.In post 871, northsidegal wrote:we're really going to need people to get on soon if today isn't going to end in a no-lynch.Copyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.
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