Mini Normal 1952: Dragon's Dance [OVER - PERFECT SCUM WIN]

[LicketyQuickety]

So i think I agree with Shea and am pretty confident that Chill and Lalendra are both Scum here. But who is the third? I'm inclined to think its Uzi.

how in the world are me and lalendra connected?

I Don't care about how you are connected, honestly. Nice red herring tho.

Lmao I have to take you seriously you're pretty much conf town and it's lylo... So basically PoE?

Half that and half your claim.

[Toto]

Not on board with the LQ lunch because

I'm also VT

and was considering claiming it straight out the gate.

Wait, Lalendra claimed VT ?

[LicketyQuickety]

Not on board with the LQ lunch because

I'm also VT

and was considering claiming it straight out the gate.

Wait, Lalendra claimed VT ?

check and mate. Nice find.

[Thestatusquo]

FUCK! I KNEW THERE WAS A FUCKING REASON I DIDN'T LIKE THE CLAIM BESIDES CONFIRMATION BIAS.

[Toto]

I guess I'll wait for Lalendra to say something, I'll post again tomorrow.

[Havo]

Havo, I think you are pretty much lock clear at this point so I want to work with you.

Do you find it strange that Scum DIDN'T pile on Lalendra?

I feel the same so Yes we HAVE to work together. It’s Lylo so it’s a no question.

I’m gonna force myself to hard reset. I refuse to be too stubborn here.

I want Lalendra to be Town to fit my game solution but reality is she’s been too scummy to overlook.

Her not wanting to claim yesterday and now her not coming forth with who she’s targeted along with her earlier VT claim is all just too much.

But I’m gonna have a really hard time buying that Toto is actually Town.

[Lalendra]

sigh

So, Lalendra, why did you visit me/Boon?

Because your slot was one that I wasn't sure on and I was hoping to glean some information.

By the way Lalendra already claimed. I also visited her last night and she is "not vanilla."

Boom.

yes you fucking hammered like all of them.

Mm, I only remember hammering one, but I'll go back and look.

In any case we should go for the safe bet of lynching the Miller and discuss my livelihood tomorrow.

So you got a Not Vanilla result on Lelandra last nite, but you want to lynch the Miller?

LMAO!

But watcher is Not Vanilla so I'm not sure, even after your explanation, what you're getting at here.

I don’t like how she’s holding the rest of her targets.

Like why would possibly town!Lalendra hold out her targets?

I guess there's no point anymore. I watched Tchill N1 and Havo N2 and both were not visited. Like I said, really no information to gain there.

Uzi, in what world are you Sus of Lalendra knowing you are watcher enabler? That makes no sense.

^^ this

Uzi, in what world are you Sus of Lalendra knowing you are watcher enabler? That makes no sense.

Mafia can roll watcher too..

Right but

Don't lynch the watcher enabler please.

Not on board with the LQ lunch because

I'm also VT

and was considering claiming it straight out the gate.

Wait, Lalendra claimed VT ?

check and mate. Nice find.

It's not possible for town to want to not claim a PR at the very beginning of the game and bait the NK?

[Havo]

Boons claimed he checked Tchill nite 1.

[Havo]

Boons claimed he checked Tchill nite 1.

Why would you not out this info earlier? If you KNEW Boons was lying?

[Lalendra]

He (or I) could have been roleblocked.

[Lalendra]

I'm not going to try to claim that my play has been perfect this game. But if you lynch me, I WILL flip town watcher. And we really can't afford that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Toto, are you an Xshot?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm not going to try to claim that my play has been perfect this game. But if you lynch me, I WILL flip town watcher. And we really can't afford that.

Mistake.

[Havo]

He (or I) could have been roleblocked.

Ugh. I really don’t like this answer.

Why would you even say “He”?

He couldn’t have been RB’d because he made the claim. Either You were RB’d or He is lying from your POV.

[LicketyQuickety]

I am going to maintain that the Scum team is Uzi, Chill, and Lalendra unless I see evidence to the contrary.

[Havo]

I am going to maintain that the Scum team is Uzi, Chill, and Lalendra unless I see evidence to the contrary.

You’re thinking Toto is Vanilla cop now?

[Havo]

Why can’t it be Toto/Tchill/Lalendra?

[Lalendra]

For example, a Loyal cop targeting a scum member would get No Result. Synergizes well with setups that can give potential roleblocks.

This is what I was thinking of.

[Havo]

If there is no Town Vanilla cop our most powerful role would be a Watcher? If Lalendra was town.

So I don’t think that makes sense.

Biggest reason I went along with Boons was because he was an Un CC’d investigative role.

[Havo]

I am going to maintain that the Scum team is Uzi, Chill, and Lalendra unless I see evidence to the contrary.

You think Luv and Lalendra staged the whole Watcher and
Enabler thing?

[Thestatusquo]

I don't want to hash out who is who's buddy too much because it gives scum information of who to kill at night based on what people think what things and then its a whole fuck ton of wifom for us to figure out the next day.

I think lalendra is scum, I think that LQ is conftown. I think there are some people who make a lot of sense as lalendra buddies and some who make none. I think we can talk about it tomorrow though, because I think lalendra is clearly caught scum here.

[Lalendra]

Don't bother looking for scum based on my associatives; look at other factors. Town don't have scumbuddies so you're going to waste time. If you REALLY want to look for associatives it would make more sense to wait until post-flip to be sure, but don't waste time this day phase doing it because you will have to start all over when I flip town.

[Toto]

Lalendra, if you are town and we lynch you we lose. If you are town please try harder.

[Toto]

I mean the if you are scum you could have fake claimed a lot better. Is this too easy to be true?

[Tchill13]

so egg pointed out 2 dead townies were on the mumbles wagon when i quoted it. Not counting those players it's just me and Lalendra. Not sure if this is just random timing for Lalendra to post this right before egg pointed that out but i'm not crazy about lalendra stating her vote was half PL/ half scum vibes.

If you look back at my ISO you'll see that I stated both of those reasons for lynching him. My story didn't change.

Regardless of whether Mumble flips scum or town (even if I think it will be scum), we will get a lot more information from the flip and be able to start making some more informed decisions once we're out of D1 circlejerk.

Just noting that this was said so some kind of follow up hopefully happened after the flip. Otherwise it feels like justifying a mislynch before it happens.

It's me admitting that I had some doubt about whether he was scum or not, because while I scumread him, I'm not confident enough in my reads to say that he is definitely scum, as opposed to just apathetic/bad townie.

Mumble, my sincere apologies if we were wrong about you.

Did this feel weird to anyone else?

It shouldn't, it was sincere. Being a mislynch sucks, regardless of how scummy/bad your play might have been, and he reacted emotionally to the pushing a few times, so I felt the apology, in the case of a ML, was warranted. Because

Town should always have some doubt.

I like the shot. He had a reasonable chance of being scum and wasn't helping us as town. It's not policy if the shot came from someone who was even slightly leaning scum. I actually can't think of a better shot. But does it actually matter after the fact if it was the right shot or not?

I was 100% okay with the shot because even though he was town, he was doing nothing to help the gamestate. He was a warm body that favored our numbers, yes, but ultimately was more of a liability than anything, just like Mumble.

Hard claiming miller doesn’t make you confirmed town

It doesn't but he stuck to his guns when Boon started changing the details of his "result".

scum tchill would probably go "oh fuck" and say something stupid. I like him sticking to miller after that.

Agreed, Chill's reaction in the face of Boon's test was what cemented the TR for me.

sigh

So, Lalendra, why did you visit me/Boon?

Because your slot was one that I wasn't sure on and I was hoping to glean some information.

By the way Lalendra already claimed. I also visited her last night and she is "not vanilla."

Boom.

yes you fucking hammered like all of them.

Mm, I only remember hammering one, but I'll go back and look.

In any case we should go for the safe bet of lynching the Miller and discuss my livelihood tomorrow.

So you got a Not Vanilla result on Lelandra last nite, but you want to lynch the Miller?

LMAO!

But watcher is Not Vanilla so I'm not sure, even after your explanation, what you're getting at here.

I don’t like how she’s holding the rest of her targets.

Like why would possibly town!Lalendra hold out her targets?

I guess there's no point anymore. I watched Tchill N1 and Havo N2 and both were not visited. Like I said, really no information to gain there.

Uzi, in what world are you Sus of Lalendra knowing you are watcher enabler? That makes no sense.

^^ this

Uzi, in what world are you Sus of Lalendra knowing you are watcher enabler? That makes no sense.

Mafia can roll watcher too..

Right but

Don't lynch the watcher enabler please.

Not on board with the LQ lunch because

I'm also VT

and was considering claiming it straight out the gate.

Wait, Lalendra claimed VT ?

check and mate. Nice find.

It's not possible for town to want to not claim a PR at the very beginning of the game and bait the NK?

I’m not just looking for an answer, though. I 100% targeted you and have a potential guilty.

idk how to pick out parts but this is VERY important.

basicalley lalendra states she cemented a tr on me because of my reaction when boon made me claim because he 100 percent got a result on me... A result lalendra knows didn't happen... so no reason to TR me at all in fact because from her pov boon is LYING... then she opens up this day phase with a vote on me.