Open 699 - Pick your Poison - Town Win

[DeasVail]

UNVOTE: IceGuy

Guys Elmo

what

Hes wanting to go into night one already

Why shouldn't we?

(Also sorry for getting your pronoun wrong previously)

Also, current lynch pool for me (in order of appearance on the playerlist):

Yuria
Fishy
Elmo
kelbris
Viome

Everyone else I either think is town or don't want to lynch for some other reason. I'm also not sold on the Ectomancer suspicion.

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[Luca Blight]

Deas, you said earlier in the game you were 'very torn' on IceGuy and I see you've now unvoted and excluded him from your lynch pool.

Can you walk me through your read progression of IceGuy so far?

[IceGuy]

Also, current lynch pool for me (in order of appearance on the playerlist):

Yuria
Fishy
Elmo
kelbris
Viome

Would you mind explaining why those people are in your lynch pool?

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[mutantdevle]

I'm actually hoping this day lasts as long as possible just so that Transcend can entertain us with death to Elmo images

[IceGuy]

And I hope he starts playing the game instead of posting images.

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mmm i can post images of myself too

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And I hope he starts playing the game instead of posting images.

i've acquired a target

i'm setting sights on said target

ask anyone on their website they'll say the cause of most of their town losses is due to not being confident in their initial reads and flip flopping along the way the entire time

i don't wanna do that

[Elmo TeH AzN]

And I hope he starts playing the game instead of posting images.

i've acquired a target

i'm setting sights on said target

ask anyone on their website they'll say the cause of most of their town losses is due to not being confident in their initial reads and flip flopping along the way the entire time
Was
i don't wanna do that

So basically you want to just tunnel all day on someone no matter the consequence. It seems

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well you're hardclaimed scum so yeah lol

[Fishythefish]

Elmo

I think Elmo is scum. I'm not adding anything new here, but the big reason is this post:

Side Note:
VOTE: Mutant

Who gives reads 2 Pages into a game and less then 70 posts into a game. If you were trying to generate conversation good. But come on. They were pointless. D2 or even a late D1 I can see reads.
The PM System is fine.

Plus the follow up; when asked about the reasoning, Elmo says it wasn't scummy; and then never explains why she voted anyway. It might be relevant that I messed up the voting tags when I asked about the reasoning; I wonder whether Elmo forgot that she'd made this vote. I don't really see how else to explain Elmo's posting.

Since then, Elmo's been mostly attacking her wagon rather than scumhunting or explaining. That's not very helpful, but doesn't say much about her alignment.

@Elmo

: Why did you vote mutant in the post quoted above?

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IceGuy

My read on IceGuy's page 2 play - that his reasoning was weird and likely motivated by Ecto voting for him - hasn't changed. But it's only a weak scumtell, that's loads of pages ago, and I don't think anything is coming out of discussing it further. IG has otherwise been fine.

UNVOTE:

If anyone wants to talk more about that, let me know.

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@kelbris:

Your vote for Ecto is based completely on a vote on page 2. What do you think of the rest of the game?

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Quickhammering is bad. If there's a vig, they should take out anyone who quickhammers a townie.

Wait, didn't you suspect IceGuy for being a 'super helpful Townie'?

Yes, I did. Saying information-y things that don't actually help the town is very mildly scummy, though it's not a tell I'd bring up past the first few pages. I'm all for information-y things that are actually protown (and I think making potential quickhammers scared of being vigged is actually protown).

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also you got to L-1 and another one of my foses unvoted you so rofl mayo

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler: I still don't understand what Elmo is getting at here:

This makes no sense - you say Yuria's vote wasn't opportunistic because she wanted you to answer questions, when that's basically a repeat of what my vote was - which you say is opportunistic?

Im saying I over looked it given the circumstances is all.

What circumstances?

Elmo, what circumstances are you referring to in 166?

Oh posting a recap of my thoughts

And Elmo, if you are Town could you try and step it up a bit? You're giving me absolutely no reason to reconsider my vote on you.

[Luca Blight]

Quickhammering is bad. If there's a vig, they should take out anyone who quickhammers a townie.

Wait, didn't you suspect IceGuy for being a 'super helpful Townie'?

Yes, I did. Saying information-y things that don't actually help the town is very mildly scummy, though it's not a tell I'd bring up past the first few pages. I'm all for information-y things that are actually protown (and I think making potential quickhammers scared of being vigged is actually protown).

IceGuy's 'information-y' thing was also pro-town, and why wouldn't you bring it up past the first few pages? Because it doesn't suit your agenda?

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Fish is town

[Luca Blight]

Why's that?

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Love his read on Elmo

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Could be bus but doubt it

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Like Elmo has already flipped red in my books lol

[DeasVail]

Deas, you said earlier in the game you were 'very torn' on IceGuy and I see you've now unvoted and excluded him from your lynch pool.

Can you walk me through your read progression of IceGuy so far?

12: I remember thinking that I might RVS this as it seemed slightly over-explanatory, but overall not that significant.

I became more concerned at 33, as I was pretty sure it was a usual thing for people to exaggerate "scumreads" in early game and so it seemed overly defensive. 48 had a similar vibe, as I didn't get that impression from Ectomancer at all.

However, I then liked his approach to mutant. He expressed suspicion of mutant's reads list but also took initiative in working out whether this was something alignment-indicative for mutant or not (a step beyond the other players in the game from memory)

Since then, I think his approach to the Elmo wagon has been fairly town, as was his suspicion of me followed by unvote.

He is a townread for me at this point in time.

Also, current lynch pool for me (in order of appearance on the playerlist):

Yuria
Fishy
Elmo
kelbris
Viome

Would you mind explaining why those people are in your lynch pool?

Elmo is the only person I explicitly have a scumread on (I am still of this opinion, as well, fwiw).

The other four stand out to me as people that have not made much of an impression. I explicitly do not read them as town, nor do I have another good reason for keeping them around. (E.g. I'm not sure about my read on havingfitz but I have played with him before and expect that I will have a better idea as the game goes on. Luca is someone that is very pro-town, but I haven't formed a solid opinion on his actual alignment yet. However, I would be unlikely to lynch him as I feel that his alignment will become obvious with time).

[Elmo TeH AzN]

well you're hardclaimed scum so yeah lol

Enlighten me. Where did I claim this?

@Elmo: Why did you vote mutant in the post quoted above?

In previous games that Ive played granted its been a while. Normally when people post walls or reads it to get people to look the other way at them.

also you got to L-1 and another one of my foses unvoted you so rofl mayo

Grats? If I paided attention I would have self hammered.

And Elmo, if you are Town could you try and step it up a bit? You're giving me absolutely no reason to reconsider my vote on you.

Feeling like a dead man walking. Not really seeing much as towns setting up this nice mislynch.

Also note that Iceguy has tried to buddy buddy me so far which Im sure everyone has noticed.

Love his read on Elmo

Could be bus but doubt it

Like Elmo has already flipped red in my books lol

So when I flip town. What are you going to do?

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Not care

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Just note that you tunneled so hard on a read that you got really nothing?