Large Normal 207: Theatre Mafia

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VOTE: Raskolnikov

Yeah, I see it too

VOTE: Raskolnikov

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OHHHH

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Yo, town here . Lots of early town leans so I expected to replace into a scum slot. Thankfully not. Possibly multiball? Not sure

This is the scummiest post I've ever seen

VOTE: Mulch

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Everyone who has posted on page 3 is town

Easy enough

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Sorry that train has sailed

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Or whatever trains do

I'm not a botanist

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VOTE: pisskop

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Right now I like Meow Dunker Rask Boon NK15 for town. Lets be friends boys

Kamina is pinging me

VOTE: Kaminaseigaku

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Ok, I really like the train of thought your going with this. I'm gonna put you as town

I can see all the ways your going for this, and a lot of your ideas I had too when I was a much less experienced player (no offense intended).

This is probably gonna set you over the edge though

Vig shoot this

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This is something scum would say themselves, just pointing out for future notice!

This is something scum would say themselves, just pointing out for future notice!

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Guys

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Let's lynch Kamina

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This is something scum would say themselves, just pointing out for future notice!

This is something scum would say themselves, just pointing out for future notice!

As much as this might be true, it gets less true every time someone continues the chain..

Do you disagree with my post?

Your post was not particularly meaningful

Scum "would" do anything, under certain circumstances

Even out all their partners on day 1

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Why isn't NK allowed to scumread you

Do you really think your play has been beyond reproach

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acidphoenix do you think Mulch is scum

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What is your avatar a picture of

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acid is a good vig shot

VOTE: Kamina

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Unofficial Vote Count

MeowMix

(5): texcat, pisskop, Boonskiies, Mulch, mozamis

Kaminaseigaku

(2): massive, wavemode

UnaBombaH

(2): Raskolnikov, Fykus

Boonskiies

(2): Carcalilly, MeowMix

wavemode

(1): UnaBombaH

Mulch

(1): Not Known 15

mozamis

(1): Dunkerdoodles

pisskop

(1): Assemblerotws

Fykus

(1): Kaminaseigaku

texcat

(1): acidphoenix

Not Voting

(1): XnadrojX

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-10-14 15:00:00)

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VOTE: Xnadrojx This is lurkscum

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NVM he's vla, let's lynch him another time

VOTE: Kaminaseigaku

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I'm liking Dunker's arguments less and less

FOS

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@Wavemode, Massive

want a stance from you on the unabombah and meowmix wagons and justification for kamina votes.

If either was a reaction test then it's probably not going to do anything anymore and I think potentially kamina isn't coming back either.

Una I'm undecided on. Could vote there late in the day if it's the only option but I'm not really compelled to at this point

Meow I simply read as town, as I've said before. Not offering my support to that wagon

Kamina struck me as disengaged and noncommittal in a scummy way

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the dude with the socket avatar seems cute

Sorry boys but I am firmly in MeowMix's pocket after this comment

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@Mod I'd like to desperado Mulch pls and ty

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Shh you can bah post when you die

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> Implying page 1 votes matter

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Busy as fuck

@Mod V/LA until Friday the 13th

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VOTE: XnadrojX

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He way James and Meow were makes massive town for me. That’s not SvS. Massive doesn’t play it that way either.

Boon, why does James replace scum-Meow and swing for the fences? There are players I can see doing that but let's take James at face value. Does newbscum-James really attack this hard?

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Mozamis is town

Then who is scum

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I don't get it

Doesn't that mean like 14 people will say result and the rest are the PR's...

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RE-RE-RE-RE-REEEEEEESULT

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moz are your fingers broken

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Wave scum?

Probably

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yeah its texcat and wavemode that worried. they jumped on without any explanation at all and at the perfect time for a scum vote.
its whre i would like to vote as scum, kinda in the middle,near the end where you give the mislynch real "inevitabiltiy" but also you arent hammering the guy or L-1 him.
plus they have done NO scumhunting at all

This is funny because I was the very first player in this game to call Xna scummy, and the first to vote him

OMGUS

VOTE: mozambique

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(and frankly, I still stand by that assessment, given how he was playing...)

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Waiting on judgement until I see where the hell Boon is going with this.

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But does scum Mulch really ask for someone to vig his partner?

Why wouldn't he?

I mean, in his actual decision making process

At what point would he say "better not tell the vig to kill my parter"

That's not the Mulch I know

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So he might be bussign. More likely he was trying to stir shit though. So Carc town?

Look I'm not saying mulch or any of these people are scum

But that's way too black a white

Like, James could easily decide he wants to attack mulch, his scum partner

Then set up some more people to go down if/when mulch does by going "look, these folks are trying to protect mulch"

Oldest play in the book

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"wavemode"

"view their topics"

"mulch"

"view their topics"

Find the intersection of the two sets

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Whats ascetic do? Also ill post some more after work, i apologise for being so inactive

Oh, no need to apologize

Your eventual lynch will be swift and painless

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Then let's discuss flipping moz?

All in favor say VOTE: mozamis

All opposed, please claim scum now and save us some time

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VOTE: Pisskop

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I vote yes on modkilling both slots if we don't get replacements in a reasonable timeframe

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That's why my actual vote is still for lunch pisskop

It's up the mod how he wants to handle this

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And after we get him lunch, lynch*

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I'm assuming it makes someone strong-willed for a night?

VOTE: Kaminaseigaku

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No, motivator gives someone an extra action

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Yeah, it makes someone strong-willed. It's not a Motivator

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Wrong thread?

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I'm assuming for the time being that Boon got unlucky, rather than that being an SK death?

He would try to target his Weak ability at people he's reasonably sure are town. But someone surprised him

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Oh Pedit, read Boon's ISO and had a whole wallpost planned but you beat me to it

OK VOTE: Raskolnikov

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Do you want a medal

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Also, fuck this game is a distant memory

I need to check what even is in my own ISO

What were my reads

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Any good associatives off Rask and Brafin?

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jesus

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So I've fully caught up. it's a tangle, but if we're patient we should be able to unravel it.
For the love of god, there must be NO MORE GAMBITTING -it's poison for town.

My gut response is that I'm inclined to believe Rask - no one was really suspecting him, why the fuck would he do that as scum. ( As i said about Boon).

But yeah we need to be very careful, no more quick lynches.

What is this

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Boon was killed so he didn't do anything last night. (Him being killed would take precedence over his NK action).

In what universe is this Normal mechanics

Kills don't stop shit, they happen at the end of the night

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How can you come out voting for Kamin when HE IS BEING REPLACED (is he???).

tf does that have to do with anything

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He was guiltied

Cornered animals bite

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Since when does roleblocker give feedback

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Oh I misread what you wrote

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Is this a newbie game

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I feel like I just said all of this but in less words

But moz will not accept it

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Holy fuck this is actually a newbie game

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How do you figure that?

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The 3 deaths mean that Boon targeted scum. Who do you think he
targeted? It looks to me like the posts I quoted point to Moz.

It's blatantly obvious who he planned to target night 2

Re-read 1401 more carefully

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VOTE: unvote
VOTE: Rask

sorry guys i have been a complete dick.
but i couldn't sleep and was thinking about it, and realised i am overcomplicating it.
BOON SAID HE WAS GOING TO "INVESTIGATE" RASK. BOON DIED.RASK IS CONF SCUM.

sorry got sidetracke d by the Nk's.
(and scum obviously didnt kill Boon outright beacuse they were worreid about Boon being bulletproof or being protected whatever).

so yeah, Rask is scum.

I actually thought you were making a play to catch people who would side with Rask

Meh

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VOTE: Fykus

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Did people get day start PMs

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UNVOTE:

So Mulch is cleared and most people are coming around to a Fykus vote atm. Fair enough. However, we need to at least take a poll first. Assuming there is one scum left and it's Fykus, we win after this. But assuming the (imo) more likely case there's two,

who is everyone feeling are the last two?

Can we get a discussion going on this? As for me, if I had to guess I'd say Fykus and acid.

We might also consider a massclaim if everyone agrees.

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It's not an appeal to anything, I just feel like winning this game

If you feel like lynching me go ahead, either way town needs to not check out at this stage, like it seems like everyone is doing right now

Lest we forget what happened in 206...

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In any case, are you going to give your two

Based on your votes I'm assuming it's texcat/wavemode?

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So this town really is intent on eating its own tail

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Mulch is conftown

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acid who is scum

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Una are you high

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He said he isn't the vig, and I bet he wouldn't admit to being the SK either.

I just wanted to make sure he isn't going to claim vig later.

This is exactly why I asked if people want to massclaim

It reduces the scumteam's late game options

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That's 2 in favor

Who else

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and assembler for that matter

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I've had enough

ehem

I AM OFFICIALLY CALLING MASSCLAIM TO ORDER

YOU WILL CLAIM YOUR ROLE AND POPCORN ONE INDIVIDUAL TO GO NEXT

PARTICIPATION IS NON-NEGOTIABLE

IF I FEEL YOU ARE STALLING OR SUBVERTING THE MASSCLAIM I WILL SHOOT YOU TONIGHT

MULCH IS CONFIRMED TOWN SO HE IS FREE TO GO LAST

I SHOT JAMES BRAFIN THEN KAMINA THEN ASSEMBLER

I POPCORN

NERO CAIN

- Wavemode, your friendly

Town Vigilante

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I SHOT JAMES BRAFIN THEN KAMINA THEN ASSEMBLER

Pretty sure I mixed these up

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I'm seeing no reason to mass claim other than giving scum a roadmap of whom to shoot. I'm flipping town but feel free to "vig" me.

Nero are you really this dense

We already have 1 conftown, and if nobody counterclaims vig we have another. A massclaim here could create more

I don't care what your role is - at this point it's more important that we can push scum into a corner

If you're going to be this much of a liability going into late game I will happily shoot you Nero, and it'll be noone's fault but your own, despite what you may claim while bitching in the dead thread

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K acid is up next. If he claims first, I'm vigging Nero tonight

If Nero survives the shot, he needs to be lynched tomorrow without exception

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At whom

I feel like we can't take Nero any further in this game

He could be scum thinking I'm bluffing

OR knowing that he has bulletproof or roleblocker or doctor or something (not unlikely, given that town has the power of an unlimited vig)

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Anywho - acidphoenix, role and actions if you please

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And popcorn

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If I'm trying to 1v1 with a vig, the vig will just shoot me

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No, what I'm doing is trying to get this game solved. Half of this day is gone and almost nobody is saying or doing anything of substance, including you

We lynch wrong and I shoot wrong, and there are 2 scum left? We could be in lylo tomorrow. Is that the point at which you want people to start going "oh hey by the way guys I'm a cop and I got a guilty last night :DDDD"

No, we're getting this shit out in the open right now. Let scum take their pick of who they feel is most important to shoot. Most of us will still live to fight on

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Nero why don't you go ahead and keep your head in the sand while we get this done. You can bah post when you die

If your partners roleblock me then town should lynch you tomorrow. If they don't they deserve to lose the game

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You still have yet to explain how getting everyone's role out in the open and likely creating more conftowns is a net loss for town

And even if I were lying about being the vig, the vig is going to shoot me and then the scumteam is either dead or down to 1. You still have not explained what I gain from this

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IT'S FUCKING ENDGAME. WHO CARES WHO HE SHOOTS AT THIS POINT. All the last scum would care about is not getting lynched, and the likelihood of that goes way up the more conftowns we have. And we will have more conftowns than he has bullets

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UNVOTE:

So Mulch is cleared and most people are coming around to a Fykus vote atm. Fair enough. However, we need to at least take a poll first. Assuming there is one scum left and it's Fykus, we win after this. But assuming the (imo) more likely case there's two,

who is everyone feeling are the last two?

Can we get a discussion going on this? As for me, if I had to guess I'd say Fykus and acid.

We might also consider a massclaim if everyone agrees.

ewwwwww

vote:wavemode

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Your post was LAMIST. The appeal to majority is super scummy.

It's not an appeal to anything, I just feel like winning this game

If you feel like lynching me go ahead, either way town needs to not check out at this stage, like it seems like everyone is doing right now

Lest we forget what happened in 206...

Nero if you're town in this game I'm legit not playing with you again

Why are you actively lurking and trying to lose the game, and attacking anyone who tries to get active and put in effort to win it

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If you can't recognize that I was trying to pin down a good vig shot that people could agree on and not let the day end in a quick lynch, I don't know what to tell you except you don't know how to play Mafia

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you know Mulch pulled this same tactic when he was scum. Like you aren't using the word "blacklist" but its effectively the same thing.


but lets have a real talk, why do you think I'm scum or is it just "4$$$$%&^%$%&^%$ Nero isn't doing what I want! &^%$#%$#@"?

i'm not going to B.S. you with "I'm not Mulch, I would never do this" since, hey, who knows

But in this game? In this particular situation? What in the actual FUCK do I stand to gain with this gambit? And don't say setup spec because that's so ridiculously meaningless this late in the game that it is a non-answer

I don't think you're scum Nero, I think you're more likely derpy town who needs to die regardless, since you *could* be scum who is counting on roleblocker protection. At this point it doesn't matter either way as you are forcing my hand. We are absolutely not taking you into potential lylo with you acting like this, I won't allow it

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and attacking anyone who tries to get active and put in effort to win it

btw, my other two scumreads are massive lurkers. Like are you scum that's just throwing anything you can and hope it sticks or just a kid having a temper tantrum? Maybe a little of both?

Sticks to what? to painting you as scum? Point me to where I ever even called for a Nero wagon? Or even said I scumread you? I CAN NOT LEAVE YOU ALIVE NERO, THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. YOUR ALIGNMENT IS MEANINGLESS TO ME AT THIS POINT

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this whole "you need to die regardless" is utter bullshit and you know it.

I don't know any such thing

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You continuing to dodge the question of any real reason for me to be gambiting this, is also not doing you any favors

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The fact that you think this is about ego or controlling the game is also not doing you any favors. I've outlined in detail that this is the correct course of action for the town and you continue to dodge the question of how it's not

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Claiming vig as mafia doesn't preserve me, it kills me instantly

Claiming vig as SK is possible, but then you can't answer the question of WHAT PARTNER AM I TRYING TO ROLEFISH FOR?

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b/c it does nothing but out prs and tell scum who to shoot. I know your dismissive of it but you know its true.

And if those PR's wait til lylo to claim their results? Any number of them could be dead by then, and even if they're not, it's hard to believe their results when the scum go "no actually I'm a cop and this guy is lying"

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What I believe and what is possible are two different things.

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The fact that you think I'm scum in this situation tells me you can't solve a newbie game, let alone this one

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tbf I was already voting him before he claimed so...try to discredit harder?

tbf your initial reason for voting me was garbage in the first place

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acidphoenix what is that avatar

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I'd ask for a texcat replacement but that will likely not come until long after the world descends into nuclear winter and Jesus opens up the heavens

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Popcorn one person to claim next besides wavemode/mulch/acid/nero

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Una then mulch

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No fight left in me for this game T_T nero is probtown just at face value, and the abundance of VT claims says his soft is believable

VOTE: texcat and I will shoot Fykus

If neither of these is correct last 2 are within una/acid/massive/nero, in order of most to least likely

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Sometimes I hate mafia

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Mulch you're pretty decent at this game

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I want to know what Rask was attempting to do.

I feel like we went over this 50 times. Rask was guiltied. Weak Boon specifically crumbed that he was targeting Rask that night then Boon died

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That is to say, Rask did not initiate a gambit of his own volition. He was making a last-ditch effort to save himself