Open 699 - Pick your Poison - Town Win

[Transcend]

Well I just had a moderately large post lost in a horrible cut and paste fcuk up (i.e. getting distracted and cutting something else before pasting my initial cut).

Summary of lost post...

ISO'd sheepsaysmeep. Kind of keep forgetting they are in the game. Seems to be skating under the radar. Can't say I recall a single post from them that has sign of any thought given to it. Scum lean.

ISO'd kelbris. Lots of promised content iirc and nothing really delivered. Just here. Slight scum lean. Could be due to lack of anything but just haven't got any vibe to keep around.

"I'm not a fan of" Ectomancer. Their one post of note is a reiteration of suspicions towards Iceguy (who he is voting at this point) and a lovefest towards Luca sorting/shading me. Then in his next post he proceeds to put Elmo at L-2 and asks for a claim.

@Ecto

...what were the reasons you voted for Elmo and has boring done anything to change your "suspicions" towards that slot?

Will give other read refinement/thoughts as I am able. Here is my current rack n stack:

- Fish townlean
- Deas townlean
- boring townlean
- Iceguy townlean
- Transcend townlean
- mutant slight townlean
- Yuria tbd
- Luca tbd/slight scumlean
- Viomi tbd/slight scumlean
- sheeps scumlean
- kelbris scumlean
- Ecto scumlean

VOTE: Ecto

bad fucking vote

[sheepsaysmeep]

nice omgus

[Transcend]

Viomi - Town

her replacement was NAI and her slot is 100% scum. only reason we're not lynching it is because it's a low-info lynch

[Transcend]

nice omgus

stfu

if this monkey wants to lynch me for the dumbest fucking reason when i'm the only one that gives a fuck about the horrid wagon that is his mislynch then he can fucking die

[Transcend]

Viomi - Town

her replacement was NAI and her slot is 100% scum. only reason we're not lynching it is because it's a low-info lynch

there was an image attached to this comment, but it didn't work.

here it is.

[sheepsaysmeep]

VOTE: trans

[Transcend]

badvote.jpeg

[boring]

Geezus I hate this but I have to retract a town tell.

Town people please tell me....who the fuck died and made Transcend town? Nobody? Nobody died? Claimed? Night result? Nothing?

For me it comes down to faith in human decency. A town role makes people feel kind of like they are the "good guy". It let's some players feel justified in being aggressive toward others. As town, he can somewhat rationalize harassing people he believes are scum (the "bad guys"). I don't like it, but I get it.

If I have to assume that he's just harassed two townies out of the game as scum, I have to hold a low opinion of him as a person.
That's very poor sportsmanship, and frankly, I don't even know if his scum buddies would have had the stomach to support it.

[Rem]

Hello my comrades I have found today's lynch.

VOTE: Sheep

[Transcend]

okay, why

[Rem]

Because Sheep is scum, that was an easy question.

[Rem]

you're a fucking idiot die
i don't need shitbags like you in my town

VOTE: kelbris

we're lynching boring tomorrow i swear to god if that slot doesn't die this game i'm going to be very mad

I don't think scum make this post so Transcend is probably town.

[boring]

I'm

townleaning sheepsaysmeep

. He's making good observations, he's made a contribution with each post, I'm not seeing any LAMIST behavior, and he doesn't seem interested in blending in.

[boring]

@Rem: I really hope post#586 wasn't you answer to Transcend's question.

[Rem]

I'm

townleaning sheepsaysmeep

. He's making good observations, he's made a contribution with each post, I'm not seeing any LAMIST behavior, and he doesn't seem interested in blending in.

Not being LAMIST isn't really town indicative.
Sheep contributing with every post is just objectively wrong.


Could you explain the contributions you like out of him?

[Ectomancer]

Geezus I hate this but I have to retract a town tell.

Town people please tell me....who the fuck died and made Transcend town? Nobody? Nobody died? Claimed? Night result? Nothing?

For me it comes down to faith in human decency. A town role makes people feel kind of like they are the "good guy". It let's some players feel justified in being aggressive toward others. As town, he can somewhat rationalize harassing people he believes are scum (the "bad guys"). I don't like it, but I get it.

If I have to assume that he's just harassed two townies out of the game as scum, I have to hold a low opinion of him as a person.
That's very poor sportsmanship, and frankly, I don't even know if his scum buddies would have had the stomach to support it.

Alright now, you dropped the ball on this answer.

I'm aggressive. It doesn't make me town. It doesn't make Transcend town. Your comment makes it appear as though you

don't

get that.

Worse, your stance would encourage scum to play aggressively; as you just gave Transcend such a town read based upon aggressive meta, it then resulted in you arguing about buddying as if Transcend were

actually

town.

I want boring's claim and then I want Iceguy lynched. Why? Iceguy is a better lynch but I

do want that boring claim

.

@REM - Did you really just ask boring to pbp sheep's every post? SOLID information is what we need, NOT a damn individuals rundown of another individuals entire post list in 24+ page game!!

[Rem]

@REM - Did you really just ask boring to pbp sheep's every post? SOLID information is what we need, NOT a damn individuals rundown of another individuals entire post list in 24+ page game!!

Isolating a few posts you think are good and explaining why and post by post analysis are a lot different.

[Ectomancer]

@REM - Did you really just ask boring to pbp sheep's every post? SOLID information is what we need, NOT a damn individuals rundown of another individuals entire post list in 24+ page game!!

Isolating a few posts you think are good and explaining why and post by post analysis are a lot different.

/facepalm

Boring says "sheep's made a contribution with

each

post"
You say "<saying> Sheep contributing with every post is just objectively wrong"

But you didn't say which ones were wrong.

So when you then say "Could you explain the contributions you like out of him" then that means every post! Because boring said every post contributes.

So where is this selective analysis? How about you list the posts you think DIDN'T contribute instead? Let's hear your analysis instead. I've heard enough from boring/Elmo.

[boring]

I'm

townleaning sheepsaysmeep

. He's making good observations, he's made a contribution with each post, I'm not seeing any LAMIST behavior, and he doesn't seem interested in blending in.

Not being LAMIST isn't really town indicative.
Sheep contributing with every post is just objectively wrong.


Could you explain the contributions you like out of him?

First Luca, then mutant, now you. I've stumbled into a game populated by people who don't understand the word "and". Or maybe I've failed to communicate my intentions with such lists: They are a series of factors that combine to form a read -- something more than the sum of its parts.

*ninja'd by ecto* I'm not playing the ISO-game again. I'll show you the only posts that didn't contribute something meaningful to the game: two were prodges and one was a request for hydra. Perhaps I should have clarified that he didn't just say something to say something. Each post has a clear purpose.

Spoiler:

prodge
will read this thread when i have time later today

someone hydra with me http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... ost1682513

hi

[Rem]

@REM - Did you really just ask boring to pbp sheep's every post? SOLID information is what we need, NOT a damn individuals rundown of another individuals entire post list in 24+ page game!!

Isolating a few posts you think are good and explaining why and post by post analysis are a lot different.

/facepalm

Boring says "sheep's made a contribution with

each

post"
You say "<saying> Sheep contributing with every post is just objectively wrong"

But you didn't say which ones were wrong.

So when you then say "Could you explain the contributions you like out of him" then that means every post! Because boring said every post contributes.

So where is this selective analysis? How about you list the posts you think DIDN'T contribute instead? Let's hear your analysis instead. I've heard enough from boring/Elmo.

Your taking what I said very literally.

[Transcend]

you're a fucking idiot die
i don't need shitbags like you in my town

VOTE: kelbris

we're lynching boring tomorrow i swear to god if that slot doesn't die this game i'm going to be very mad

I don't think scum make this post so Transcend is probably town.

i would actually make a post like this as scum

[Rem]

Same tbh.

[Rem]

First Luca, then mutant, now you. I've stumbled into a game populated by people who don't understand the word "and". Or maybe I've failed to communicate my intentions with such lists: They are a series of factors that combine to form a read -- something more than the sum of its parts.

*ninja'd by ecto* I'm not playing the ISO-game again. I'll show you the only posts that didn't contribute something meaningful to the game: two were prodges and one was a request for hydra. Perhaps I should have clarified that he didn't just say something to say something. Each post has a clear purpose.

Pick like the 3 best posts and state why you think they come from town.

[Rem]

I go through his ISO and see a bunch of 1 liners.
It kinda just feels like he is going through motions atm whenever he opens up the thread.

[boring]

Geezus I hate this but I have to retract a town tell.

Town people please tell me....who the fuck died and made Transcend town? Nobody? Nobody died? Claimed? Night result? Nothing?

For me it comes down to faith in human decency. A town role makes people feel kind of like they are the "good guy". It let's some players feel justified in being aggressive toward others. As town, he can somewhat rationalize harassing people he believes are scum (the "bad guys"). I don't like it, but I get it.

If I have to assume that he's just harassed two townies out of the game as scum, I have to hold a low opinion of him as a person.
That's very poor sportsmanship, and frankly, I don't even know if his scum buddies would have had the stomach to support it.

Alright now, you dropped the ball on this answer.

I'm aggressive. It doesn't make me town. It doesn't make Transcend town. Your comment makes it appear as though you

don't

get that.

There's a nuance I don't think you're picking up on, but it's okay. You're not playing the same kind of aggressive this game. And I'll admit, I've made that argument for reads in the past, and I've been wrong once. I just don't play with that person anymore because it disgusts me.

Worse, your stance would encourage scum to play aggressively;

That thought occurred to me just after hitting the "submit" button.

as you just gave Transcend such a town read based upon aggressive meta, it then resulted in you arguing about buddying as if Transcend were

actually

town.

Good point.

I want boring's claim and then I want Iceguy lynched. Why? Iceguy is a better lynch but I

do want that boring claim

.

I'm not going to claim.