Open 699 - Pick your Poison - Town Win

[Ectomancer]

@Ecto: Transcend has claimed his claimed was a gambit - so Yuria is the real JK. (Or, I suppose, Yuria is scum who knows there is no JK in the game)

@IceGuy: probably not. But I think lynching him for that reason is fairly low information. Transcend would make a great vig target.

Okay, so Fishy kind of gets it. Yuria as scum has no problem counter-claiming Transcend because Transcend has been really erratic. Following that line of thought if I were Yuria:

1: Yuria doesn't get lynched today.
2: Transcend turns up vanilla town tomorrow. So what? Everyone will say Transcend was stupid and Yuria is a practically confirmed JK.
3: Transcend turns up JK. We got the power role that can stop our night kills. Sweet.

Neither Transcend nor Yuria is a good town target for lynch OR Vig. That situation is going to play out over the next night or two.

Iceguy is LITERALLY arguing to remove someone because LYLO. GTFO now!

vote IceGuy

[mutantdevle]

VOTE: boring

Sorry :/

[Luca Blight]

Mutant, what is your read on IceGuy?

[Luca Blight]

I ask because you have only mentioned IceGuy twice all game:

IceGuy - I don't really get many vibes from him of either alignment. I don't really see why there are votes against him.

Also, vig (if you exist) don't shoot ice. I doubt you would solely based on transcend's opinion but I'm just saying that it's probably best to wait until we have more information and reads before killing someone. Ice is definitely someone we can look into on day 2 though.

This seems pretty odd given Ice has been one of the more talked about players so far.

[davesaz]

IceGuy(4) - boring, kelbris, Ectomancer, Transcend
boring(4) - Luca Blight, DeasVail, Fishythefish, mutantdevle
Transcend(2) - Yuria, havingfitz
sheepsaysmeep(1) - Rem
Ectomancer(1) - IceGuy

not voting (1) - sheepsaysmeep

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch
(expired on 2017-11-12 15:00:00)

[mutantdevle]

I guess I just havn't noticed IceGuy a lot this game. None of his posts stick out to me on initial thought which suggests not town. If I viewed what he has said as scummy then he would be on my radar; but he is not.As a result, he is still pretty Null for me. If I viewed what he has said as scummy then he would be on my radar.

Maybe I just havn't read into him too much though, so I'm going to iso his posts and see if my opinion changes. I'm kinda hoping I do find something scummy since I don't really want to lynch boring anymore.

[mutantdevle]

Okay just ISO'd his posts and these are my bullet point thoughts on him:

- When he talks about other people's opinions or actions he often misrepresents them.
- He's devoted to the game enough to look into my background with the previous games I have played thing.
- Most of his earlier posts didn't consist of much.
- He pursues answers to his questions for other players when no answers are given.
- He opposed the Elmo wagon but also criticised Elmo a fair bit.
- Didn't hammer Elmo when she was believed to be on L-1
- Heavily opposes Ectomancer.
- Viewed the people on the Elmo wagon as scummy.
- More recently he has more active and more engaged with the game.
- Overall just seems committed to the game.

In conclusion, I am leaning town on him. I really don't get why people view his actions as scum. If someone could outline all the reasons he is scum (with stuff to back it up) I would really appreciate it. But right now I view him as a fellow townie. The only way I'd vote for him right now is if we have less than 5 hours left and the boring wagon has fallen apart. I don't really want to lynch boring right now either. My preferred lynch would be Transcend. But since his wagon is going nowhere I'm on boring since her slot has actually done scummy things whereas I don't perceive Ice to have done anything scummy as such.

[boring]

I don't think I've ever seen D1 tied up quite like this before. I've seen it other days, of course. Normally, it's paired with a few MLs, and indicates a deep scum (or two).

Has anyone seen this kind of thing so close to deadline Day 1?

[mutantdevle]

No, and why is it something we should even discuss or talk about with so little time left? Seems irrelevant if you ask me.

[Transcend]

VOTE: boring

[Transcend]

This eod makes me happy

[DeasVail]

I’m good with a boring lynch

[Ectomancer]

VOTE: boring

boring is town...I would rather no lynch.

[Ectomancer]

I ask because you have only mentioned IceGuy twice all game:

IceGuy - I don't really get many vibes from him of either alignment. I don't really see why there are votes against him.

Also, vig (if you exist) don't shoot ice. I doubt you would solely based on transcend's opinion but I'm just saying that it's probably best to wait until we have more information and reads before killing someone. Ice is definitely someone we can look into on day 2 though.

This seems pretty odd given Ice has been one of the more talked about players so far.

This statement should be brought up again later. I agree 100%.

[Fishythefish]

Is anyone on the IceGuy wagon up for giving me a summary of it? I'll be reading it hard tomorrow, but I'm too sleepy atm.

[Fishythefish]

(for clarity, that's RL tomorrow - likely in about 12 hours)

[Luca Blight]

I haven't got any massive scumreads which is unusual for me at the end of D1. I'm not convinced about either Ice or Boring, but I'm starting to favour an IceGuy lynch marginally.

Rem's vote is pointless right now and she should either vote a relevant wagon or declare intent to do so, as should Sheep.

IceGuy - Ecto isn't getting lynched today. You'd have to push that or another wagon like crazy, otherwise you or Boring, who you strongly townread, will be lynched.

[DeasVail]

VOTE: boring

boring is town...I would rather no lynch.

There’s not much time, but if you get the chance I’d like to hear your reasoning.

[Transcend]

k but 12 hours left

these are competing scum wagons just pick one

ice/boring haven't interacted at all i looked at ice's iso it's empty. they're scum

ice: oooooooo boring is sooo town but i'm not gonna even convince her i'm town when she's been on my dick this entire game
boring: lol ice obvscum lol haven't interacted with him at all rofl lol

rem: IS IN A FUCKING OBVSCUM SLOT JUST VIG THIS

[IceGuy]

VOTE: No lynch

I believe at that point there are two wagons that have any chance to lead to a lynch. One on me, and one on somebody I think is town (not strong town, but town). I therefore believe this is the best course of action.

[Transcend]

okay fuck no.

VOTE: IceGuy

we are NOT fucking no lynching.

[Transcend]

wagon this i'm not fucking kidding i'm gonna burst out the giant caps

[Fishythefish]

Yuria, havingfitz, Rem, sheep:

there are 10 hours to go today. We are lynching Ice or boring. Your next post absolutely must vote for one of those people.

I think IceGuy and boring should claim - much later and an interesting claim risks a no lynch.

I don't have a strong read on IceGuy. I think he is a fairly likely partner for boring, but associative tells in a large game before flips are crap (because scum reads aren't good enough).

[IceGuy]

okay fuck no.

VOTE: IceGuy

we are NOT fucking no lynching.

It's mostly your fault we're in the situation.

Also, my claim since I seem to be at L-1 and will leave soon: VT.

[Transcend]

I don't have a strong read on IceGuy. I think he is a fairly likely partner for boring, but associative tells in a large game before flips are crap (because scum reads aren't good enough).

i agree i hate them

but i'm like really positive on this one

not putting much stock into them

i sr them both independently and can see them as scum together