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[Flubbernugget]

Also I don't think Sephiroph has done anything ate worthy aym

[Flubbernugget]

*at the moment

[skitter30]

Flubber: I don't mind people poking there. I think town tend to avoid jokes like that because there's no upside and they don't need the aggravation. Scum, otoh, see an upside in getting pseudo towncred if they can get through the initial wave of suspicion.

In fact, let's increase the heat a little:

VOTE: Flubber

What does this mean? Why would scum get towncred if they can get through the initial wave of suspicion? And if people actually get towncred from doing this, why would town not do that to also get towncred? From this explanation, I don't get why what he did is AI or why you're voting him.

Like, this is blatantly not happening; most people are kinda sketchy on Flubber atm.

Everyone's saying that they don't like it but I still don't get why scum does this.

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.2:

Flubbernugget (5)

- humaneatingmonkey, Wossi, TwoInAMillion, Chip Butty, Sergtacos

Wossi (4)

- implosion, Flubbernugget, skitter30, iDanyboy

TwoInAMillion (1)

- Wickedestjr

iDanyboy (1)

- wavemode

Not Voting (2)

- Sephiroth, Lalendra

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is at 3pm GMT on Sunday 26th November 2017 ((expired on 2017-11-26 15:00:00))

[humaneatingmonkey]

Will Flubber get to L-1? That is the question.

[Sephiroth]

Joking

K. I don't really like that you waited and built the suspense. Adding unnecessary confusion and uncertainty to the dialog is not pro-town. It also feasibly gives you time to see how the town is taking the claim before choosing whether you want to follow through or pull back. VOTE: sergtacos

In fact, let's increase the heat a little:

VOTE: Flubber

but hey lets sheep. VOTE: Flubbernugget

Are we serious right now? Where was this yesterday? What changed for you two?

I will note that I don't really like the hardline 'claimed scum must be scum' mentality. Flub seems to be a generally sarcastic/jokey type guy and I'm willing to believe it was a joke and move on for now. Refusing to move on when the game has moved far beyond that page 1 post seems lazy and anti-town, especially after ignoring the post initially. Chip butty and Serg look real bad in their recent jump over. While I don't like it in HEM or Wossi either they seem genuine and consistent in their behavior towards Flub unlike the two above. I also REALLY don't like Post 68 from twoinamillion. The reasoning seems manufactured and they had JUST finished trying to shut down any discussion involving Flub's claim. Seems a little sketchy to interpret Flub's post that way and turn it into a vote.

Guys, how do you classify bullshit vote reasons? Scum or town?

Are you asking whether giving bullshit reasons is a town or scum tell? Seems kind of like a false dichotomy to me. A bullshit vote is a bullshit vote, but you have to look past the given reasoning to see if its a scummy vote or not. Not to mention my idea of 'bullshit' reasons is very dependent on the player and game situation. How would you answer this question?

I really hope Sephiroth isn't scum because I love the synchronicity of the avatar, location and signature. And because I just generally love Sephiroth. I want to FoS you for unnecessary AtE.

You can't imagine how happy I was to learn that the username was not taken haha. Sephiroth has got to be one of the best videogame villains ever.

[Wickedestjr]

Town claiming scum is lying and should be lynched

No thanks.

Also I don't believe in jokes

What does this mean?

Hey guys, for the sake of town's best interest, I just want to he upfront about the fact that my favorite color is red

Thank you for your honesty.

Will Flubber get to L-1? That is the question.

What happens if he gets to L-1?

[skitter30]

Not me

VOTE: flubbernugget
Seems like a pretty open and shut case to me.

Vote HEM please

Serg, 2inamil, and Flubbernugget deserve attention today.

I love attention

but hey lets sheep. VOTE: Flubbernugget

What changed about HEM that you went from trying to get votes on him to sheeping him?

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote. Vote: Wossi

(L-2)

I found these two comments particularly bothersome:

You are what you say you are, if you say you're scum you're scum. I dont really understand how that wasnt clear....

This comment doesn't sound like someone actually interested in figuring things out.

also I was still excited by the fact that I just happened to random vote for scum

So skitter is scum but you would prefer to vote Flubber, who you acknowledge might be lying-town? Why is that?

Also, are you an alt? You sound slightly familiar.

[Lalendra]

Hey guys, for the sake of town's best interest, I just want to he upfront about the fact that my favorite color is red

Are you actively lynchbaiting orrrr...?

Lalendra

My point to tiam is that town withold a lot of information from a game due to it being irrelevant to finding alignments.

I'm not sure I see the connection here. What are you withholding? If anything, you're oversharing. And yes, obviously town don't spam the thread with their favorite foods or whatever, because pizza is NAI. But you've made two comments which just sound like you're aching to be lynched and though I hate the "too scummy to be scum" angle most of the time, I'm really struggling to see where your motivation lies.

[iDanyboy]

I'm not sure I see the connection here. What are you withholding? If anything, you're oversharing. And yes, obviously town don't spam the thread with their favorite foods or whatever, because pizza is NAI. But you've made two comments which just sound like you're aching to be lynched and though I hate the "too scummy to be scum" angle most of the time, I'm really struggling to see where your motivation lies.

TIAM voted Flubber for 'Not liking that there are things you might not be upfront about', so that is why Flubber posted that in response. Could you also expand on why you think Flubber is to scummy to be scum?

[Flubbernugget]

I dropped the gambit in my second post. I don't understand how you can fail to see my motivation after that.

[Flubbernugget]

I'm not 100% clear on why humaneatingmonkey is scum reading me.

[iDanyboy]

I'm not 100% clear on why humaneatingmonkey is scum reading me.

Those who joke about being scum are highly scummy for me.

Seems pretty clear to me.

[Flubbernugget]

Not good enough if he's trying to push me to L1

[wavemode]

VOTE: Lalendra

[TwoInAMillion]

[quote= Sephiroth"] I also REALLY don't like Post 68 from twoinamillion. The reasoning seems manufactured and they had JUST finished trying to shut down any discussion involving Flub's claim. Seems a little sketchy to interpret Flub's post that way and turn it into a vote..[/quote]


Not "trying" to turn anything into any vote. It's my feelings on flub and way more concrete reasoning than a lot of the votes so far.

[Wossi]

I dropped the gambit in my second post. I don't understand how you can fail to see my motivation after that.

please explain how claiming scum is a gambit.

to anyone asking why I'm voting flubber and not skitter: there's power in wagons and there's more then one scum.

[iDanyboy]

Not "trying" to turn anything into any vote. It's my feelings on flub and

way more concrete reasoning than a lot of the votes so far

.

No you don't. The only player with a worse reason to vote than you is wavemode since he has given none. I'm going to need you to justify this with the votes that you think have less reasoning than yours.

to anyone asking why I'm voting flubber and not skitter: there's power in wagons and there's more then one scum.

Do you think there is any possibility that he was just joking when he made that post and why have you completely ignored it? Also going to need to know why you think skitter is scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Not convinced that the miller claim is real, leaning towards it being fake. Also not convinced that it's AI if it's fake. I could see scum!Taco claiming it based on how Mini Normal 1946 worked out. I can also see town!Taco fake-claiming it for the lolz. I have little to no confidence in my ability to read him.

Taco, why are you pushing HEM atm?

Chip, why are you making a series of RVS votes and unvotes? What do you think about the Flubber thing?

Implosion, I like your posting, and agree with most of it. Why the townlean on Tacos?

Scumlean on wossi.

VOTE: wossi

I really don't buy that claim from Serg, but I'm not ready to give up my Flubbernugget vote. I've been with him on a miller game before and he had seen someone claim on the first post. I would have thought he would have claimed in his first post. Instead, he tried to push a wagon on me for ????? reasons.

Those who joke about being scum are highly scummy for me. It deserves attention. Also, how people FOUND A WAY to attack me for a CLEAR CUT vote definitely makes me think I'm on to something. Looking at you, 2inamil.

Serg, 2inamil, and Flubbernugget deserve attention today.

I love attention

but hey lets sheep. VOTE: Flubbernugget

Nothing with my reasoning. Both of these votes have weak reasoning.

[TwoInAMillion]

Nothing wrong with, that is.

[iDanyboy]

Nothing wrong with, that is.

You took this

"but I don't like the activity precedent you are trying to set, and I'm being upfront now about probably not following it."

and got this

"Not liking that there are things you might not be upfront about.

Yes there is something wrong with this reasoning, it's reaching. You took his innocuous statement that he wont be as active as Sephiroph wants him to be and twisted it to mean that he may hiding something because he said he wants to be upfront about it.

SNIP

SNIP

Both of these votes have weak reasoning.

You're right about tacos vote but I think skitter has given some good reasoning, it just isn't in the quote you posted. If you read her iso her reasoning becomes a lot more apparent and I don't think it's bad.

[TwoInAMillion]

It's not reaching at all. He says "he's being upfront now" which implies there are things he's hiding. That's what scum do more than town.

[iDanyboy]

It's not reaching at all. He says "he's being upfront now" which implies there are things he's hiding. That's what scum do more than town.

I'll be upfront and honest with you and say that this reasoning is bad. Why was it that when he claimed scum you weren't taking his posts literally and actually defended him, but after a few votes you piled on with the thinnest reasoning you could think of.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't agree that it's thin reasoning. And "claiming scum" is something that's not done seriously in a mafia game.