2017 NFL Football

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ezekiel elliot case is really riveting

hey the 49ers are somewhat better this year! lynch and shanahan as management sounds great

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The Pats are losing

(It won't last but whatever)

lol

holy shit man. hunt did really well for his rookie performance, and alex was throwing some bangers. good pocket protection on all his touchdown throws, too

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being a 49ers fan i dont understand the hate for the patriots but specifically bill belichick and brady

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Y'all hate that Brady will go down as being better than Joe.

brady is better than joe montana lol.

@drealm, ok um brady deflated in the superbowl. that was pretty despicable i guess but he got his punishment and then didnt do it again as per what a punishment is. he continues to be the best.

as for belichick that guy is a goat please explain how he teaches cheating or anything because you cant cheat in every single game to win like belichick does.

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i find it hard to believe belichick's been cheating for 17 seasons and has never been caught cheating as a head coach. the deflategate was never directly linked to him either, but rather brady, who is still a remarkable qb but just a little bit scummy in the eyes of football.

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i only said 2 sentences wot

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well it was a pretty crappy rhetoric argument

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alex smith is pretty good on very odd days, and when he gets in a certain headspace, you can't really stop him. he's a very good quarterback but he's not very consistent.

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lol

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the bengals made me lose a fucking card

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i won a 65 dollar card from packers, raiders, and rams winning

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time to bet on the browns

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THE DREAM IS STILL ALIVE

THIS GAME IS PLAYING WITH MY EMOTIONS

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fuck brian hoyer

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reuben foster was out or their run game woulda died. eric reid was also out

brian hoyer is garbage

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brian hoyer played good today but on all the important shit he consistently fucks up.

interception on first play. interception on extra point to tie the game. sacked on last drive of the game that could have won it all.

this isnt putting into effect the terrible two previous games.

i recognize im being hard on the guy but im just so pissed from those firdt 2 games that the anger wont dissipate for a while. the extra point interception and last drive was also really frustrating to see.

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kicker pissed me off too dont worry, but ill take an extra point miss over an interveption any day. also we had a fumble which was really bad.

we had a lot going against us but its so frustrating seeing us not win that one

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if it came across that it's all brian hoyer's fault, my bad. that's definitely not the case, i just dislike him for our team the most.

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fuck was that seattle call?

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and?

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I'm not panicking until they're played divisional games, but the Pats defence is looking garbage. They're giving up way too many rushing yards, and the secondary is looking poor. It's frustrating, because theoretically Gilmore should have made the secondary better, but instead, paying him instead of Malcolm Butler seems to have put the holdovers into a funk, and Gilmore isn't exactly performing to his price tag either. Gotta fix it, or it'll be a disappointing season where, like, the Pats lose the AFC Championship game.

At least I can enjoy the Jets totally Jetsing up their attempts to tank for a QB in next year's draft.

I’m starting to think it’s coaching issue.

There's just no way everyone got bad overnight. There are multiple All-Pros, Pro Bowlers, and up and coming players on this team playing defense. On talent alone, this is an elite unit. We might have a coaching issue and Patricia needs to be held accountable. 4 straight weeks of bad defensive play. The coaching staff needs to fix this.

wat

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patriots have a god tier coaching staff thats why theyve been good for so long. theyre not bad in the slightest even if their defence is a little sucky.

you dont KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE 49ERS STILL HAVENT WON A GAME

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he really sucks

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part of the fun is sticking with a team and watching their greats and not so greats. it makes it that much more satisfying or that much more heart wrenching. i dont have anything against people who like good teams, but i feel theyre missing out more than a true fan would.

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I’m not really sure I like the idea of a sports team in Vegas. I don't think it is going to work. Vegas is a tourist town. They are not going to have a loyal and consistent fan base. Their ticket sales will probably go up and down.

do you realize theres large urban communities around las vegas

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I’m not really sure I like the idea of a sports team in Vegas. I don't think it is going to work. Vegas is a tourist town. They are not going to have a loyal and consistent fan base. Their ticket sales will probably go up and down.

do you realize theres large urban communities around las vegas

That don’t have ticket money? Yes.

i mean there are some middle class communities
ok maybe a couple
a slight amount

alright you got me. we're all pretty broke

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Oh, also, I know I'm late, but I am finally a believer in the "Kaepernick being blackballed" thing. Just wanted everyone to know I changed my mind

hed be the best backup quarterback in the league and he'd be a great starter for some teams.

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LMAO

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wait I thought of a simpler way

it's as simple as this:

Goodell had a meeting with Elliot. They sit down. Goodell looks Elliot in the eyes and says "is there any truth to these allegations" and in an instant Goodell has his answer, simply by reading body language and voice.

You have kids? ever watch kids? Something breaks, they each blame the other, but if you know how to read people you can tell which one is lying and which one is telling the truth. You don't need undeniable evidence to dole out justice / know who needs punished, that is what is good about Goodell's position, it's actually more reasonable than the law system, because, really, that is broken and doesn't work most of the time anyway. Otherwise Elliot would have gotten away with shit if it were left up to the law (like is typical for domestic violence.)

perhaps you think OJ Simpson should be allowed back into the league? Maybe let him coach or be a broadcaster?

lmao wtf

ezekiel elliot is a not good person, and i don't respect what the standard he's trying to set with the NFL. the nfl pay them millions of dollars to not get into trouble, and so i think it's well within reason that they'd like to not have to be forced into certain allegations like this. whether or not the standard is bad for how the nfl treats players is kind of worthless when the domestic violence case outshadows this fact but also when the nfl is paying these guys millions to just do their jobs and stay out of trouble like a normal person.

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lost by 2 points.

again.

ugh

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Kaep was an amazing quarterback with a good coaching staff and a decent roster. He did a lot for the 49ers before we lost Jim Harbaugh and a lot of our big players.

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terrible

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Really though the 49ers have 10 shit players on offense, why do they think getting Jimmy G murdered is going to solve their problems?

u r dumb
source: my common sense

im pretty sure staley went down with an eye. garcon and hyde are both pretty good with hyde being one of your better hbs in the league. goodwin is a fast wr and kittle can be developed. only problem with goodwin is his catching. our o line is pretty bad especially with that staley injury so jim there will have struggles for sure. however, our line still isnt the worst ever and can easily be made to play decently as theyre big and have some athleticism. our defensive side is going to get considerably better even with our bowman release earlier in the year as our rookies develop.

it seems to me a good sign that our management isnt afraid to make big mooves, and theyre going to be making a lot of them as they cultivate a younger team back into a franchise powerhouse. we've been making lots of trades and good pick-ups from our draft to now, and it seems to me we are really going after key positions.

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wat do you mean expression he literally had an eye injury wHaT amI Doing rawRONG

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Yeah, Jimmy G trade was basically just to get a two month test run to decide if they want to pay him or pay kirk cousins.

Jimmy takes the L here, not the 49ers, because he might have dealt himself into a spot where he tanks his own value playing for a mostly shitty team instead of riding those 2 good games from 2016. And yeah, Staley broke his orbital bone - not really an eye injury, would say he's out with a face, really - last week so the mediocre o-line will get worse, Thomas got hurt so the less than mediocre d-line is also gonna be worse. Pierre Garcon is still a poor man's Larry Fitzgerald, Hyde is still a sober Ricky Williams(and Shanahan might still hate him), Marquis Goodwin still can only run straight, Kittle and Taylor still suck.

this is fair lol. the only thing we have going for us is how young the team is.

also drealmz thats basic english context clues. it's not an expression it's easy to read shorthand that you very clearly understood regardless.

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he was doing so good too. poor watson

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nooooooo

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what talent we have is just getting battered and injured constantly

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So apparently the giants are underdogs to the 49ers and if that doesn't just put this season in perspective I don't know what will.

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49ers have less talent giants have less braincells in their administration

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what universe do you live in to like a guy like roger?

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I don't think I've ever seen a QB go from 100 to 0 as fast as Dak Prescott

jay cutler

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zeke isnt that good either

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yeah zekes suspension isnt that important because you can put any decent running back behind that offensive line and gain yardage. other injuries are important, but cowboys have been inconsistent and not very good this season in general.

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i also personally believe dak's never been that good either, and the team was overhyped since the beginning. the o line is amazing tho and the defense imo is decent enough.

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garoppolo started 3 plays and looked really good

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i also personally believe dak's never been that good either, and the team was overhyped since the beginning. the o line is amazing tho and the defense imo is decent enough.

According to approximate value he was the 7th best qb in the league last year (approximate value takes into account the quality of a teams O line and other offensive weapons in its calculation, so it takes into account how good the dallas oline was last year) 3rd best QB by QB rating. The 6th best QB by QBR. The 4th and 3rd best QB by yards/attempt and adjusted yards/attempt respectively.

Frankly, what the fresh fuck are you smoking and can I have some?

last year he had one of the best o lines and a lot of hype surrounding him. he still played decent considering that, and he was an above average qb. however, even in his highlights, his form is bad. he doesn't fully extend his throwing arm like some greats do, doesnt really get away from sacks or tackles with ease like other great quarterbacks, wilson for example, and with pressure coming towards him at times he'll make a side sling that is really bad form.

you can show me all the stats in the world from last season because as it stands, with dak having to lead the franchise at a difficult time with pressure on him, he's failing. until he actually props the franchise onto his shoulder and gets those stats not just when everything goes his way will he be a good quarterback in my eyes. he reminds me of a younger alex smith where it's very easy to throw off his game, but if things are right or the day is just good, he's a big offensive weapon. however, the inconsistency isn't good, and that's why alex smith is only an average quarterback, too regardless of stats.

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you're like a caricature of an ignorant sports fan. that post isnt real right?

shut up

@tbone, o line is still better than a lot of the league, and running support is a problem. however, youre guaranteed yards with a good o-line with an average running back. a backup can hold while he misses his other running back.

also aaron rodgers is not the only one to hold an organization to high esteems. drew brees, russel wilson, and tom brady have all been doing it for years. andrew luck was doing much the same, and peyton manning was equally good during his time. they are the greats, and if dak never does that, he will never be a great. he might be good when everything is going his way, but if hes bad at a turning point for the cowboys, he will not amount to much in history. again, a younger alex smith.

also what about his form like i talked about? it isnt that good, and all amazing quarterbacks have a good throwing form.

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for sure. for reference i pulled up the first video, so while these are highlights, they may not be the best in your opinion. they're also from 2016. warning, meh music.



in your first couple of plays there's a couple things to notice. he plays the pocket really well, and i give him kudos for that. however, i can't be sure if that's just good offensive line or what. i didn't see a mistake though, so i can't fault him for nothing that is there. hes got good footwork in the pocket, too.

he keeps his head down field at all times which is also a plus. a split second you're not looking down field is a split second someone could be open. that's a very good trait to have, but it mainly comes from experience in the league.

hes mobile, too, and that makes him a good double threat. a versatile quarterback is fun to watch. im cool with that. he can also attempt throws on the run and can make them.

what i brought up earlier is his ofensive line. really great protection in most if not all the clips shown. hes got massive protection thats really affording him lots of time to make correct throws and plays.

now, to dig into what i dont like, we'll start with his throwing motion. i dislike how his arm doesn't extend over his head. if you look at peyton manning, his throwing motion is always elbow fully extended at point of release. this is for getting it over the lineman and a little bit of afforded power in my own opinion. that last bit comes from experience as i feel i throw farther when i fully extend. most of the time dak throws the ball, it barely reaches over his head. i think i even saw one play where it is level. his throws are almost always low to the ground and very reachable. that's a trait very little of quarterbacks i know that are good possess. it's something that SHOULD have been worked on a lot.

his accuracy is okay to me. he lays it on the money in tough situations, but he also might not. in plays, he'd put it towards their stomach region or underthrow them slightly. not enough that it could matter in those specific highlights, but enough that it could effect further play.

i dont like the hits he recieves as a quarterback. that doesnt reflect on his skill, but it can reflect on the future. he takes a big hit on a running play that would terrify me as a fan. running as a quarterback means you should always avoid big hits, especially quarterbacks. if you're a mobile quarterback, you should know the defense is going to hit you as hard as
they possibly can.

he makes tough throws under pressure in the highlights video, but it seemed to me as if it threw him off each time. it looked to me like he'd sling the ball to the side as a lineman was running toward him. that can be attributed to that he wanted to avoid a blocked pass, but there is no real chance of a block if you throw it correctly with a fully extended elbow instead of a side sling. i'm not the quarterback in those situations, so maybe it's his only available option. i do never see good passers make those types of throws though.

apart from the highlight video, he's not consistent. he can have a great game, and it be ruined by a terrible game the next day. franchise quarterbacks can be allowed mistakes and tough periods, but there hasn't been a great period for him to solidify him as a good quarterback so far this season.

relies almost too much on a good surrounding team. in the perfect world, everyone does their job, and it actually seems like that for the cowboys. they have a solid all around team, but now with the o-line depleted and a lacking running back, he's struggling bad. he can't be doing that with still a good team as a franchise quarterback. not if he plans on being remembered as a good quarterback for the cowboys. he's got to take it to the next level and make a difference out on the field. a big one would be nice. i don't think qb is the most important offensive role, but i think it's the position with the most potential to be the biggest difference maker on a field. that's what dak has to show.

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Can you show us? I'm looking at highlights(which sure highlights i know) and I can't see what you're talking about.

Also, I think you are criminally wrong about Manning.Dude's org mortgaged their defense on multiple occasions to surround him with offensive talent.

i wasn't old enough to really admire his talent or lack thereif on the colts when he played, so i have no real say in that. i can say he had a beautiful throwing form and lovely accuracy for a straight passer qb.

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Not to poo-poo your theory...but when Brees had a bad team he couldn't prop up the Saints...neither could Peyton, Wilson remains to be seen (I don't think the current Seahawks count as bad), the bad team in Indy has literally ruined Luck's health and career, and Brady has never had to prop up a terrible team.

As for Alex Smith, he's always been a fine QB and gets a bad rap. That's not a bad standard to aspire to.

Also, you literally talked him up in #1254.

idk about that. peyton made the colts a topic of conversation and same with the saints. there isnt a time where ive ever gone "wow the saints and colts are really bad, especially those quarterbacks." they were always franchise leaders.

alex smith is an above average qb who could be amazing, but hes inconsistent. its why we traded him off the 49ers and played kaepernick, and why now him and the chiefs are doing poorly.

speaking of which the chiefs are 6 and 5 having lost their last 5. i think thats a coaching issue but im not sure.

@t-bone, who do you speaketh of

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No, I didn't say Peyton or Brees were ever bad quarterbacks. I'm saying that when they had bad teams around them they couldn't carry the team, and thus, you shouldn't expect Dak to do so either.

I was complaining about the Ravens. I love Harbargh, but he isn't coaching to win games, he is coaching to not lose them, and that's leading to the uninspiring garbage on offense. If not for heroic plays by the defense and the best kicker in the game, things would be a lot worse.

but that's exactly that. brees and peyton were never bad quarterbacks and led their franchise's to at least be average within the league on their worst years. i'm not expecting a quarterback to take a team to the playoffs every year, nor am i expecting them to be good every year in terms of just being a good role player. the argument was; is dak good? if people consider him good, then i do expect him to be a beacon among his team. he's got to be out there making a difference if no one else is. that's when i go "wow that man is good." it's the same as any sport.

there's a lot of iffy play calling i'm noticing. not nfl, but stanford beat notre dame off terrible play calling. also, since the 49ers are trying to lose, i'm noticing shanahan isn't calling some plays as he should. i'm not for excuses but when shanahan turned hte falcon's capability around to lead them to a superbowl last year, i'm not sure if it's safe to say that he's calling playcalls to win. they do want a 2nd or 3rd overall pick, so i think shanahan is picking plays to lose.

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Shea, Geno Smith is your new starting QB, are you okay?

i cant handle this LOL

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that gif makes it all the better. what a twist

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i really like jimmy g as our franchise quarterback.

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i hope we can. he looked really good today. most of this incompletions were bad receptions, and the interception wasn't his fault.

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why

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you're not allowed to think about touching tom brady

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If Rodgers gets released at this stage, he goes on waivers. So in other words, he's a Cleveland Brown. Basically, if he's released, he retires.

Maybe the browns will fail to get the paperwork in on time and he becomes a 49er!!! And Jimmy G hits free agency!!!!AHHHHHHHHH

no never we're keeping jimmy jesus.

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can we talk about how good jimmy g is

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started too late to be mvp, much as i'd want him to be.

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if you actually watched garoppolo you wouldnt be talkin shit

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rg3 kaep and other idiot all relied on the run or on stressful big plays. they were never good quarterbacks, just went against meta and went against the scheme.

watson im not sure because he could be russel wilson or he could be kaep. he did play exceptionally good ball though with both arm and athleticism, so im excited to see where he goes.

garoppolo is just a straight quarterback. he occasionally sneaks or runs it, but his main focal point is his arm, and hes really fucking good at it. amazingly accurate throws the jaguars game that i thought for sure were picks were put in a small little window to complete a pass. his third down conversion rate is outstanding, and the way he plays the pocket is also good. i'd like to see his release a little higher as he had a tipped ball sunday that resulted in an interception, but it's something to work on.

both have shown to be really good quarterbacks. they just need to prove consistency now.

oh noes! I've upset the Jimmy G fanboy!

all i said was for you to educate yourself before you talk shit. the way garoppolo plays quarterback is a lot more than stats.

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RG3 led the league in Y/A, had a 102 passer rating and a 65% completion rate his first year in the NFL.

I think you're underestimating how badly his injuries sapped him of his abilities. He was obscenely good even not considering his running before he got injured a million times.

youre right.

also kizer is god tier awful LMAO

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bortles is just the most surprising player in general

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as a niner fan you already know my response.

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good players don't make good coaches iirc.

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THE HERO FRESHMAN

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jaguars putting the beating down

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fournettes a tough motherfucker, but unlike you, belichick realizes this and isnt going to make the moronic mistake like many others. he is going to stop fournette anyway he can, even if it means putting all 11 across that fucking line, and he is going to force the ball into bortles hands. what he does it questionable.

what the jaguars really have going for them is their defense. they can easily stop the patriots run game, but they need to fuck up tom bradys pocket. their defensive line is very good to put pressure on tom brady, and their coverage is equally good.

i dont know what the fuck makes you think this will be an offensive game. its going to be primarily defense.

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if jaguars dont beat new england, our next best chance is the vikings. lets hope vikings make it to the superbowl in case jaguars dont.

id love to see jaguars v vikings btw

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yeah ne v min is looking like the likely matchup

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you guys are really discounting minneapolis who DID look solid for the entire 1st half on both sides of the ball.

however defense wins championships and superbowls. i believe if anyone can beat ne it's going to be minnesota or jacksonville. they just need to COMPLETELY plan around new england.

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while arguably being one of the worst mistakes made in the playoffs, it happens man. the rookie was having a good season, and it's a shame it had to end like that. i'm not gonna hold it against him if even his team isn't going to hold it against him, and i'm curious to see how he progresses from there.

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vikings

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i want a jaguars v vikings superbowl so please win jaguars

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going well so far, but i fully expect patriots to come back in the 2nd half

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dear god...

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im buying an underdog mask if the eagles win

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kaepernick would be a good backup qb and a decent starter for some teams. i dont know about him going to oakland, but if they put him on a backup deal, itll be fine. he has no leverage to ask for more money than he deserves.

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Gostowski should have been kicked out of the game for throwing a clothesline punch

that's from coaching, folks!

what scum the patriots are

mad

td call was fine.

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pleasantly surprised

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dont get me wrong i hate both but the 49ers are still tied with patriots for superbowls

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What's o/u on the number of years it takes uzi to be a giants fan after bill and Brady retire? 5? 6? I got the under. Can't trust those new York based "pats" fans.

i give him a week

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the value in that quote is referring to the value in relation to being MVP - meaning MOST valuable

you are not the most valuable player in the game if you were on the losing side, it's basic logic

What??? An individual player's value is not directly determined by whether or not their team wins or loses the game. It should be determined solely by their contributions. MVP is an individual award and so by definition you don't give individual awards to the best team or exclude somebody from receiving an individual award because their team doesn't do well.

wow, you are just biased and blind, eh????

tell me then, what value does a player bring to their team by throwing for 500yards and scoring 3 touchdowns, and losing the game?

thinking there is no point in trying to have a reasonable conversation with you

you just answered your own question.

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Tbf Brady can actually only throw the ball.

Watching him try to do anything else is kind of painful tbh. He's not, like, actually athletic in any agility or speed sense.

all things considered he's still pretty tough and does okay with attempts at running for a 40 year old man lol.

I'm a mindreader, it was a telepathic link

same

also if you dont think 500 yds and 3 touchdowns has any value youre crazy lol. i wish my quarterback got that in a game. thatd be legendary.

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drealmz is the angriest person ive ever seen at someone who he doesnt even know lol.

also tom bradys taken some monster hits and bounced right back up. tough and good quarterback.

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i think it's kind of ironic how drealmz talks about moral standards on a site about lying to your friends lol.

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lol

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riots over winning a superbowl is just crazy.

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More or less crazy than riots over winning the stanley cup?

i don't really pay attention to hockey, but that's pretty bad, too.

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what about that time phildelphia dropped an actual bomb on civil rights activists and killed 11 people?

that's bad, too.

idk what you want from me it's all bad lol i'm not saying it isn't.

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oh okay lol.

i honestly cant wait for the draft. the 49ers have our qb, a decent defense, but we need superstars again. we've got the talent for defense i feel, but we gotta get offense. we're set good for the draft.

best qb draft class this year too apparently which will be fun to see. i dont watch college, so i dont really know if the hype is deserved. i do think theres also a massive amount of good qbs in the nfl right now that i can appreciate. if even one of these guys is a superstar, thatd be pretty big for your less off team.

also people are talking shit about john harbaugh why?

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This is going to be one of those years where not very many qbs from the draft turn into lifelong starters, I think.

thats possible. my dad thinks a really good qb is gonna come from lower rounds, and i dont know how i feel about that one. i think a good qb will come out of it but with a lot of busts, too.

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disagree.

feel like 3-4 guys can be the guy for a while.

(mayfield, allen, darnold) fringe on rosen,l. jackson. there's probably someone im forgetting that could flesh out but yeah.

my logic is baseless and based on previous drafts, so i'm probably incorrect with what i say.

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5 year extension. yess!!

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except you wont be able to afford the rest of the team

it seems you either have to get a Brady discounted QB or win with a backup or QB on their rookie deal

what are you talking about we have the most cap space in the nfl and i think (?) in the history of the nfl.

we can afford garoppolo and all the pieces to put around him.

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noooooooooo ed HOCHULI


NOOOO

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oh thank god. had me worried there.

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we want browns! we want browns!

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i feel dirty that we signed richard sherman, but he's a solid corner that we desperately needed. i'll let him slide for now.

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now i gotta hope his surgery goes fantastic, and that just hurts my soul wishing good will on one of my hated players.

i still remember when the guy called out crabtree, and then proceeded to lock him up. >:(

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even worse

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we picked up a center. probably gonna move him or kilgore to guard, but i'm glad we're bolstering our offense line.