Mini 1939 - Organization XIII (Game Over)

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:52 am

In post 1859, X Luxord wrote:
In post 1856, IV Vexen wrote:Fuck. Lex might be scum, and I'm not sure what that means.
Nah.

Well then, what does it mean?

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:55 am

Explain why 1858 and 1860 doesn't mean Lex scum.

I'm unvoting, because if Lex is scum that means me/Xig is probably TvT.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:56 am

Also, the "he's playing at a level I'm okay losing to" bit is never a good reason not to push someone.

And arrogance in reads is one of the very few actual reasons that Xig is scumreading me, something you at least nominally agree to. Good to see you're still not town.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:00 am

No. If Lex is scum, Xig is town, and I'm probably getting lynched either way. Why, then, do I not attempt to solve the game in the last little bit of time I have to solve the game?

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:01 am

I'm still waiting for a single reason 1858 and 1860 doesn't add up to Lex scum.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:05 am

Xig was 100% confirmed scum based on the majority of his play, not the strongman bit. In fact, that's not even a big part of it, but sure.

If I'm WRONG, though, which apparently I might be, I need to figure it out now. I fully understand I'm shooting myself in the foot here. I fully understand this is basically signing my own death warrant. But if there isn't a reason behind that, then Lex is scum and I've been preaching a course of action to hand him the win. And I need to resolve that before I lay down and die.

I'm also not sure why I'm telling you this, cause it doesn't matter at all to you. But maybe, someone else in this town will read this and understand what I'm saying.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:07 am

In post 1870, X Luxord wrote:Sorry that I'm better at reading you than you are at reading me?

This is not something town says to their scumreads. Ever.

Lynch lux. I'm honestly not sure which of Lex and Xig it is at this point, but it's one of the two.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:11 am

The scumclaim there was the roleclaim, not the strongman bit. First, that he shoots everyone who visits him given his D1 play, and then second and with less confidence the everyone who visits him gets roleblocked bit. Admittedly, the first was a misread, but the flavor of the claim threw me off.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:12 am

Lex, I'm still waiting on an explanation.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:12 am

Also, wow, Lux. I bet you wish you'd hammered hours ago right about now.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:15 am

I explained why it was a scumclaim in 1583. No where did I say that it was mechanically a scumclaim. It was a scumclaim because there is no way in my mind a town PGO would attempt to pull all of the protections in the thread to them on D1. Which Xig did. Less important if he's just a reflexive roleblocker, but still important. Lex's behavior may preempt that.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:16 am

You can. And when I flip green you die immediately. I'm strangely okay with that, for some reason.

Who'da thunk it?

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:19 am

The strongman bit was what Xig wanted to emphasize, because it fit his hurt feelings about me comparing him to thor early on. I do think that him being informed as to the presence of a strongman is far fetched, but was by no means the core of my scumread.

Fine. If you're town, why is what Lex did town behavior?

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:22 am

So your opinion is that it would be better as town to just get lynched in order to confirm Saix than even try to argue a reason why TownYou does that?

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:25 am

It's really annoying to me that I'm obvtowning so hard and still probably the lynch today. Whatever though, I look forward to the apology from Xigbar if he's town or the rest of you if he's not in the post.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:32 am

Why specifically that fakeclaim?

Why "Oh shit, I've got this role that breaks the game" from one of the Lex's and "My role is likely to get me killed for targeting someone likely to get NKd" from the other?

The first reads genuine as fuck to me. That was the biggest reason for my townread. That post, by itself, convinced me that despite flaws in logic and balance issues, Lex was town. But if he was a bodyguard, why not come forward when a big part of the 1v1 between me and Xig is based on the overwhelming protective role presence? Why not as a bodyguard mention that bodyguard and strongman shouldn't be in the same deck of mafia cards, let alone the same game?

Alternatively, from new Lex perspective, I can definitely see a reason to switch to a weaker claim. He looked at my list of claimed roles. He could easily have realized a doc claim wouldn't have lasted a single dayphase after my and Xig's flip. A bodyguard might.

Clear scum motivation. No clear town motivation. So why isn't it scum?

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:34 am

Softing two vastly different roles is not self contradiction?

Like, I get the replacement, but that's still not a discrepancy I buy.

VOTE: Lexaus

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:36 am

I'm headed off to lunch. If I'm not dead when I get back, I'll be available for discourse. I seriously doubt I won't be dead when I get back.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:08 pm

In post 1907, I Xemnas wrote:
In post 1869, V Lexaeus wrote:Yes I am a bodyguard doctor Jailkeeper elite bodyguard followed by nuclear catastrophe except all but me. /partially sarcastic

And I am confident as both alignments.

I also agree that Lex should be pushing me more or doing something.

@Saix: I still want the answer to what happens if you get doc'd.
Vexen did you see this?

UNVOTE: for now. I don't want this discussion cut off by a hammer.

Yes, I took it as a sarcastic non-response. Do you take it as literally anything else?

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:10 pm

In post 1904, I Xemnas wrote:Explain your final sentence?

1718. Until recently, one of the scariest posts in the thread. Recently, reasonably in hindsight.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:13 pm

In post 1925, II Xigbar wrote:YOU ARE DEATHTUNNELING ME FOR THE ABSOLUTE WORST REASONS IMAGINABLE AND I AM TOWN. SO NO BABY CAN GO THANKS.

At the very least, you are doing this this game as town. And that's if you're not scum.

I will be around at deadline to hammer Lex, Lux, or Xig. Nothing else is acceptable to me. One of Lex and Xig is scum.

Any questions?

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:18 pm

In post 1981, II Xigbar wrote:I should have just replaced out day one.

Regardless of this game and the shitshow it has become, I don't think you're a shit person. Mafia brings out the worst in some people (like both of us) sometimes. Learn to deal with it in your own way. I can't say you're a great person either, because frankly I don't know you that well, but I'd be happy to change that. Yknow, without playing mafia together.

Xem, I'm gonna guess partially because he's gonna claim one of the four at some point. Otherwise I just don't see a non sarcastic portion of the post.

-phoneposting

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:21 pm

In post 1971, X Luxord wrote:I'm sad that people are townreading you Demyx how do I get them to stop doing that
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I think xigs the only one who did. And now demys my scumbuddy, so :shrugs:.

I'll be here before deadline, xem, in case I need to shift my vote. Any one other than the people I named and I'm gonna need a case though.

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:07 pm

Like, 90% sure the no meta bit was aimed at me, given that TTH pmd me about it. Feel free to ask, xig, but I'm guessing it was the referencing a specific game she disliked.

Still phoneposting

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:48 pm

Still phoneposting. Don't remember a single case on marluxia. If there is one, link it. Otherwise, get back onto a real wagon.

I'm glad somebody understands what he's doing. Cause it sure as hell isnt me.

Perot fucking ninjas

IV Vexen · Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:50 pm

I just have to say, I will enjoy the post game very much. Whichever one of you is scum, congrats. But I find myself hoping it's cig.

IV Vexen · Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:30 am

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Anti gotta deal with permission, but that’s the link