Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

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So... Whoever is in the group that gets chosen is unable to vote.

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@Mod I am uncertain which mafia members know the identities of which other mafia members. Could you please clarify post-haste?

@mod In addition it appears from the role pm's that were provided that Secret Agents do not have a private topic to speak in, is this correct? And in addition, if the answer to the first question results in the goons not knowing the secret agents identities, what would occur if a Goon were to night kill a Secret Agent?

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You're not making a very good impression >:(

Yeah I know...

But I’m not getting lynched so no biggie

I feel like this is scum signalling to their buddies.

I mean I would agree...

But town doesn't know how the Traitor roles work yet. Or even whether scum have daychat or not. As far as we know scum wouldn't need to signal to their buddies.

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traitor is


a traitor

not hard to understand

Yeah but what if it isn't.

But town doesn't know how the Traitor roles work yet.

The traitor would know imo

My point exactly.
My point being that I think you are scum and thus know how it works.

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p-edit:

You know, the fact that this is a sequel to another game completely slipped my mind.

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I deleted what I originally had in that post. I just realized you might have also made the assumption it worked like it had in the previous game, and thus my point no longer holds to a degree I trust.

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I totally missed there were not PT links in half the scum PMs. anyway, lets wait for the mod and stop mechanics speccing yes.

more important business

ginngie what happened to ur avvy

it has a reindeer lapel and a reindeer tie for Christmas season

it's not visible

I had that problem on my phone, but at a computer I can see it.

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I’m on mobile and I can see it just fine.

I'm not saying it only affects mobile, just saying try a different device/browser.

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I’m on mobile and I can see it just fine.

I'm not saying it only affects mobile, just saying try a different device/browser.

I can't see it and i care

Well... I mean you could try my suggestion maybe?

p-edit:

You know, the fact that this is a sequel to another game completely slipped my mind.

I deleted what I originally had in that post. I just realized you might have also made the assumption it worked like it had in the previous game, and thus my point no longer holds to a degree I trust.

I buy the townslip

Well, okay then, go ahead. I don't actually see how that is a townslip though.

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-snip-

p-edit:

You know, the fact that this is a sequel to another game completely slipped my mind.

I deleted what I originally had in that post. I just realized you might have also made the assumption it worked like it had in the previous game, and thus my point no longer holds to a degree I trust.

I buy the townslip

Well, okay then, go ahead. I don't actually see how that is a townslip though.

p-edit:

You know, the fact that this is a sequel to another game completely slipped my mind.

I deleted what I originally had in that post. I just realized you might have also made the assumption it worked like it had in the previous game, and thus my point no longer holds to a degree I trust.

I buy the townslip

That's not a town slip btw

Okay, but I already said that. Well said something along the same lines, but whatever.

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That's not a town slip btw

I'm sorry! We tend to disagree a lot on things! Brainwash me!

A better response would be to explain why you thought it was a townslip.

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Ok cool thanks.

@LUV: Please hardclaim in your next post thank you

No.

Anyone who asks for a claim, or claims will get my undying condemnation. If you cannot convince us you are town by your play, you deserve it.

VOTE: Group C

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Alright, let me explain why.

Claiming as a VT narrows down who the real PR could be
Claiming as a PR will get you killed

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That's why I am making a policy of no claims. Anyone who claims gets lynched.

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And even if he's scum who claims town PR, do you really think he'll get CC?

....yes, by the real town PR

No, after a review of the rules the PR should not claim, ever. Therefore the only alternative is to lynch all claims.

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Okay, ignore the ever part. Maybe with a guilty.

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Yes, which is actually why the PRs shouldn't claim.

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Is one of those hits Checkersman? Because if anyone wants to keep the person who actually suggested that someone claim day 1 alive, you will have to have a very good explanation.

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hey rath which r u

Where's the "haven't played in a while" option?

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Okay chesskid. I've been thinking, and how about a compromise.

1. Standard "Do not hammer until Claim/Last words" applies. And by standard, I mean you get lynched if you quickhammer.
2. People should try and keep track of how many votes it takes to lynch someone, preferably something like VOTE: Group C

(L-2)

3. Therefore people should not have an excuse that they didn't see it. That also means no quick-posting votes when someone is at L-3 and lower.
4. If someone claims a town PR, one of the following applies:
a. Today: They will not be lynched. Any counterclaim will be treated as false.
b. Before Day 3: They will be forced to give a list of results. Only counterclaim if you have a guilty that was not likely to be tampered with.
c. After Day 3: They will be forced to give a list of results. Counterclaim is more or less mandatory at this point except in extenuating circumstances (i.e You are the last PR, no scum have been lynched, and every other PR is dead. Basically, everything is falling apart and being able to get more guilties is worth more than immediately exposing a mafia member.) After day 3, past claims should get CC'd at this point.

These are what I really want, though if someone gives me a good reason not to go with this I can try and fix it. I mean, I will probably continue working on these anyways. I am open for negotiation about this, you just have to actually talk and not scream.

On a side note, no one seems to want Group A. I can't really figure out why.

And game theory questions for everyone: What is the best way for town to benefit from the Groups system? Should we focus on a single group? Spread the attention evenly? Our town PRs have different abilities depending on group size, should we try and get a town PR of each ability? On the other hand, Traitors have different abilities based on group size, should we focus on getting/keeping them to their weakest?

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Rauth, open set up yo, what -townie/scum PR- in their right mind is going to go "I'm the PR of group Z?!"

I don't know why someone would, just making sure people understand what would happen if they did.

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Okay, a few things then:

First of all, you didn't do the Monty Hall problem correctly, checkersman. You have to specify that you know what is in the boxes, because if you don't know which box is the correct box the odds are 1/2. If you do know, then assuming you always offer a switch and always avoid revealing the correct prize, the odds are 1/3 if Eddie stayed, and 2/3 if he switches.

Second, there are no hydras allowed in this game, Creature.

Third, I may have missed questions asked to me since I last posted.

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Transcend, why the townread on Snarky? I seem to recall this being his posting style in Night and Day

P-edit
Yeah, this probably is town Creature. Hope your cut heals up well Rach, and make sure to clean it and change the bandage every day if you're worried about infection.

P-edit 2
I'll work on my own reads soon, I have a paper due in a few days that I haven't even started first.

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After thinking about it people are much more sure of who scum is within Group B (At least from what I've seen). Therefore, VOTE: Group B

(L-2) (Group C: L-3)

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Also all group B members please use the HURT: tag to designate who you want out most since... you kinda don't have a vote and I like to know where everyone's head is at.

I mean, we could just use the vote tags too.

i ifnally remembered to log into this account on the first try hurray

Fun fact: you can set different themes for different accounts.

this game is practically three 5-2 minis and can be treated more of as such.

No it can't.
And even if I were to accept that claim - feel free to explain the scumhunting possible in the group vote section.
Like, explain how scum are motivated and how you can possibly track that at this stage.
I'll wait.

I agree with Thor here. The game may start like three 5-2 minis, but every time town wins in one of the groups, the remainder is given to the remaining groups. Including any power roles if there are any left by that point.

If anyone's here, answer: Which of {Majiffy, Thor665, momo, ConManMick} can you sort easier?

Umm... None of the above. I've played with momo before (I think) but that would be all of my experience (As far as I can remember)

That said I actually have time to play now that my paper is done. So, I'll go do reads eventually (Within the next 2 days)

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I agree with Thor here. The game may start like three 5-2 minis, but every time town wins in one of the groups, the remainder is given to the remaining groups. Including any power roles if there are any left by that point.

???? this is why we lynch 1 scum from each group ans then proceed to the next group

Uh... Pretty sure we actually want to kill both of the scum in each group. That way we should have more confirmed town.

Also Creature, what about whoever we lynch and whoever is night killed? They won't get a vote.

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I'm back. Sorry for my absence. Now who are people voting and why.

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Okay, nevermind that question. People appear to want ConManMick because lurking and generally not having good content.

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Just saying the impression I got after a quick ISO. I actually wasn't looking at what people were saying, I just looked at the recent votes and then at CMM's ISO.

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Well, for what it's worth:
VOTE: ConManMick

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But the flowchart!
The flowchart for how to win every game of mafia!
I mean I guess we would still have Thor. Unless one of the goons killed him.
But at any rate I feel perfectly okay with letting Majiffy live another day.

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VOTE: ConManMick

L-2

Forgot to do it last time.

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Wait, it's not L-2, it's L-3. I think? I would check the votes again, but I have to leave for a bit.

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VOTE: ConManMick

L-3

There, that is 100% correct as of this post unless some same-time posting happens.