VOTE: transcend
If we're going by this logic, I think this would be a good place to start.
Transcend, can I get a list of previous games so I can verify this myself?
If we're going by this logic, I think this would be a good place to start.
I'm sorry, but I don't follow that logic. If we lynch him, won't that make his chances (as of now) both 100% and 0%? It's either/or. Or are you saying that if we are in the process of actually lynching him, there would be a 45% chance because we are actively trying to lynch him? Why the average?In post 15, UC Voyager wrote:if we actually lynch him, the percentage drops to 45%In post 14, UC Voyager wrote:if he replaces into a game, this percentages ups to about 65%In post 13, cytheflyguy wrote:Wow it's been almost a year and a half since my last game here. How's everyone doin'?
VOTE: transcend
If we're going by this logic, I think this would be a good place to start.
Transcend, can I get a list of previous games so I can verify this myself?
Hm, okay. I think I see what you mean by that last part of logic. You're saying that if he makes it to the end, he has a higher chance of being scum then if he was lynched instead. Since he seems to be the only person not here, do you mind linking me to some of his games? Or is there an easier way to view them?In post 17, UC Voyager wrote:here is what i meanIn post 16, cytheflyguy wrote:I'm sorry, but I don't follow that logic. If we lynch him, won't that make his chances (as of now) both 100% and 0%? It's either/or. Or are you saying that if we are in the process of actually lynching him, there would be a 45% chance because we are actively trying to lynch him? Why the average?In post 15, UC Voyager wrote:if we actually lynch him, the percentage drops to 45%In post 14, UC Voyager wrote:if he replaces into a game, this percentages ups to about 65%In post 13, cytheflyguy wrote:Wow it's been almost a year and a half since my last game here. How's everyone doin'?
VOTE: transcend
If we're going by this logic, I think this would be a good place to start.
Transcend, can I get a list of previous games so I can verify this myself?
60% of the time, he is scum
65% of the time when he replaces someone, he is scum
40% of the time when he is lynched, he is scum
Oops, I don't always get written humor. My b.In post 19, UC Voyager wrote:It is joke logic. . .In post 18, cytheflyguy wrote:Hm, okay. I think I see what you mean by that last part of logic. You're saying that if he makes it to the end, he has a higher chance of being scum then if he was lynched instead. Since he seems to be the only person not here, do you mind linking me to some of his games? Or is there an easier way to view them?In post 17, UC Voyager wrote:here is what i meanIn post 16, cytheflyguy wrote:I'm sorry, but I don't follow that logic. If we lynch him, won't that make his chances (as of now) both 100% and 0%? It's either/or. Or are you saying that if we are in the process of actually lynching him, there would be a 45% chance because we are actively trying to lynch him? Why the average?In post 15, UC Voyager wrote:if we actually lynch him, the percentage drops to 45%In post 14, UC Voyager wrote:if he replaces into a game, this percentages ups to about 65%In post 13, cytheflyguy wrote:Wow it's been almost a year and a half since my last game here. How's everyone doin'?
VOTE: transcend
If we're going by this logic, I think this would be a good place to start.
Transcend, can I get a list of previous games so I can verify this myself?
60% of the time, he is scum
65% of the time when he replaces someone, he is scum
40% of the time when he is lynched, he is scum
I always see transcend as scum regardless of his real role. . .
We should at least wait doe. He's here now so we should hear what he has to say.In post 22, Katyusha wrote:cy dont worry about reading trans
when i blitz my chakras rly hard i have like a >90% of reading him correctly
i say today we behead the doggo monarch viva la revolucion etc etc
Well I mean, what would you like me to do on the first page? If you look at the first thing I said, I go off the logic of someone else, not just straight up asking for meta with no context. I was trying to work with someone else to get the game rolling.In post 56, Keychain wrote:Aw that's all right, I'll do it for you.Zachstralkita wrote:tentative scumread on UC Voyager
If it weren't for cys first post I'd be voting there tho tbh
VOTE: cytheflyguy
Overly focused on reading someone by meta instead of sorting the players actually present.
@UCV 15: love it
Adding to this -- I never said this was a good strategy. I understandIn post 68, Katyusha wrote:whoops i missed this while phoneshitpostingIn post 67, Jodaxq wrote:I agree with this.In post 60, Keychain wrote:Katyusha: what I mean is it's like stalling. Going for the player who hasn't yet confirmed and requesting meta - especially considering that the amount that somebody rolls scum is not alignment indicative at all unless I misunderstand completely - then sitting back and waiting for this one player instead of looking into any of the others available.
I don't like it. It feels like busywork.
i mean im not defending it as good play - i just think silly busy work at this stage of the game isnt AI for someone out of practice and like cy from what i can gather from his posts. maybe a different player you could argue but it doesnt seem out of place to me
plus firaga casting suspicion there is
Hmm, tempting.In post 73, Katyusha wrote:cy be a dear and vote firaja with me?
No, I'm notIn post 70, wavemode wrote:Is every single player in this game an alt
Okay so:In post 83, Keychain wrote:Nope. What about you?
UCV 4: "Transcend is scum 60% of the time"In post 61, cytheflyguy wrote:Well I mean, what would you like me to do on the first page? If you look at the first thing I said, I go off the logic of someone else, not just straight up asking for meta with no context. I was trying to work with someone else to get the game rolling.In post 56, Keychain wrote:Aw that's all right, I'll do it for you.Zachstralkita wrote:tentative scumread on UC Voyager
If it weren't for cys first post I'd be voting there tho tbh
VOTE: cytheflyguy
Overly focused on reading someone by meta instead of sorting the players actually present.
@UCV 15: love it
You 13: "This is useful information let us dig deeper"
Despite the fact that Transcend presumably also received his role via randomisation, making this kind of useless as an endeavour. Doing kind of useless things is okay at this point in the game, I agree. But there was no way this was leading anywhere. Then waiting for content from Transcend instead of using what you already had available from other players. It doesn't feel like you were actually trying to "get the game rolling".
It's not like you were in an empty room with UCV. Nearly half the game had posted before you, and you had said not a thing about any of them.
Omg thanks! I wasn't big on meta reading when I first played this game, so I never searched anyone.In post 97, Katyusha wrote:cy this might help
for anyone else u can do the same by clicking their username, viewing their topics, and then going thru all the games in the list
No. You're coming from a genuine town perspective. I don't think it's too solid of a scum read, but you've defended your point the same way each time, making it more solid imo. I'll address the other voting thing at the end of my second response.In post 98, Keychain wrote:
PEdit:
@cy: huh okay. Give me a bit and I'll get to that, but in the meantime I'm interested - do you think I'm scum?
A) My train of thought was not, "If I can trust this person, and Transcend has a higher than normal chance of being scum, then he should be prodded because he is more than likely scum in this game."In post 100, Keychain wrote:I'm still liking it
Yeah, my apologies, I should have put a disclaimer that it was my takeaway from the post, not a direct quote.In post 96, cytheflyguy wrote: Okay so:
A) You misquoted me. I said "If we're going by this logic, I think this would be a good place to start." Keywords: "If we're going by this logic". I thought other people would be going by this logic and decided to take a stab at it.
Can you explain what that logic was? Because from my POV it looks like you were assuming Transcend had a higher-than-random chance of rolling scum. I find that difficult to believe you accepted this premise, even more so that you would expect other people to do so, so please help me understand.
See above regarding why I find it difficult to understand how you followedIn post 96, cytheflyguy wrote: B) So because half of the people appeared before Transcend, I should have grasped at straws with them first? I went with a small thing that I could just look at -- not even actually scumreading him. And I addressed some of the faulty logic, it's not like I followed it blindly.anyof the logic.
But no. I mean... you started a game. Players were posting things. Players with alignments. Instead of looking at their posts to work out if they were scum or not, you instead decided to inquire into the meta of a player who hadn't even posted, so you had zero way to develop a read from that at that point. I would have expected it to give you some sort of opinion on UCV, but I see no evidence of that so far.
Yeah that was a legit question. When I'm doing background research I check wikis first (next to the PM button at the bottom left of each post) then the topic search Katyusha linked (go to profile of the player, bottom right of that). But you said you trying to get the game rolling, not that you were setting up for well down the track. Those are different things to me.In post 96, cytheflyguy wrote: C) What type of information? Like his previous games? How do I access that -- legit question. That'd be useful information down the road.
On another note: why are you voting Firaja?
Keywords: "made it into more of a thing and started the conversation on it." I fail to see how this is a logical argument.In post 37, Firaja wrote: If anyhing i'd say cytheflyguy looks a little worse from it simply because his couple of comments on it is what made it into more of a thing and started the conversation on it. But as i said before because it's early on it is probably nothing, just something I'm keeping in mind for now.
Once again, he refuses to specify any points. At all. The difference between you and him is the fact that you use sources, you recall specific instances, and you fleshout your thoughts. Even in your first few points about the situation, you came across way more town they he did. That's why I townread you and scumread him.In post 42, Firaja wrote:Right, however using something out of seemingly nothing is a little sketchy to me. Trying to take something seemingly irrelevant and potwbtially turn it into something else is what is runbing me the wrong way here as it may be a potential to cause misdirection.
Again this is all a bit of a reach as it is a bit early, but i do see your point as well of cy trying to find substance and add to the discussion.
What do you mean by super agreeable? Counting this I only have 12 posts and 107 is the only one where I needed to thank anyone. As far as anything else is concerned, I've explained what I could to the best of my ability.In post 110, Keychain wrote:Reading's good for you but I'll try be concise.
@107
UNVOTE:
Not sure how I feel about the flip to being super agreeable or the townread on me, but I particularly liked point A and the explanation of the Firaja vote.
@108
I definitely roll scum more than my fair share, but it still doesn't have any bearing on my alignment in any one game.
Your argument is basicallyIn post 83, Keychain wrote:Despite the fact that Transcend presumably also received his role via randomisation, making this kind of useless as an endeavour. Doing kind of useless things is okay at this point in the game, I agree. But there was no way this was leading anywhere. Then waiting for content from Transcend instead of using what you already had available from other players. It doesn't feel like you were actually trying to "get the game rolling".
And here you address a counterpoint that shows you're open-minded, which is something in the town's best interest.In post 83, Keychain wrote:Good point here though.In post 68, Katyusha wrote:i mean im not defending it as good play - i just think silly busy work at this stage of the game isnt AI for someone out of practice and like cy from what i can gather from his posts. maybe a different player you could argue but it doesnt seem out of place to me
For what you addressed to me, my problem wasn't the fact that you were said anything bad about me, but that you were passively making a case against me with making very vague claims. That seems rather suspicious. Look at my argument against you and my reasoning for townrading Key. I'm still wary of you doe, but you do make a good point with UVC.In post 144, Firaja wrote:Firstly, to answer your question, I played on this site around 5-6 years ago, however forgot the password to my account, and lost access to the email linked to it, and so made this one because I wanted to give this a shot again.In post 45, Katyusha wrote:I'm not really making the connection of how turning the discussion from "haha let's ql trans for memes hes statistically more likely to be scum" to "how do I read trans?" is a scummy diversion of attention. town wants to be able to read the rest of the table to ultimately find scumIn post 42, Firaja wrote:Right, however using something out of seemingly nothing is a little sketchy to me. Trying to take something seemingly irrelevant and potwbtially turn it into something else is what is runbing me the wrong way here as it may be a potential to cause misdirection.
Again this is all a bit of a reach as it is a bit early, but i do see your point as well of cy trying to find substance and add to the discussion.
Btw, I'm assuming you're new? do you have prior experience on a forum if so?
Back on Topic; As i said before, I see where you are coming from, and as the thread has progressed it is clear cy is trying to add content and looking back it does make sense that they were trying to find something to work with. My original viewpoint was the UCV was making a joke, and it looked like cy was trying to turn it into something more major than it needed to be, which is why I said it was becoming distractive/irrelevant.
However after seeing this post;
I am willing to admit I may have jumped the gun a little, and I didn't actually see it that way when in the moment last night.cytheflyguy wrote:Well I mean, what would you like me to do on the first page? If you look at the first thing I said, I go off the logic of someone else, not just straight up asking for meta with no context. I was trying to work with someone else to get the game rolling.
I am leaning towards cy and Katyusha being town at this point simply for the reason that they are pushing valid reasons for suspecting me because of my misinterpretation of the cy/UCV interaction at the beginning of the game, and while I am still a little sceptical of the exchange in general, I believe my sights may have been temporarily diverted in the wrong direction.
One last thing before I move on,I did not support the cy push, I simply stated an opinion on an event that happened, I even said it was a little early to take too much from it at that point. If I supported the push, I would have voted cy. I didn't because I still was unsure at the time.Katyusha wrote:Ah, OK
I'm not really happy with the cy push in general since firaja supports it (besides me townreading cy)
However now, thanks to the points raised by you and cy, I am not.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: UC Voyager
and here's why;
Looking back at the original exchange that I felt a bit weird on, what I overlooked was UCV pushing a little hard on this point with posts #14 and #15, and then explaining in "detail" with post #17. Due to this, I now understand how it may have been seen as an actual point against Transcend instead of a joke, which I first believed was the intention. Again, due to this, it seems that UCV was the one actually being distracting here, as he kept pushing this point through to post #75, before discounting it as "Joke Logic" - causing a distracting exchange which he then seemed to make mean seemingly nothing. I don't understand why he let the exchange go on so long, and make it seem that he was being serious to just discount it all after the fact.
Also once discussion had started this post;Rubs me the wrong way, as it is adding nothing at all, and as discussion had started by then, there is little excuse for it in my opinion.UCV wrote:i am not an alt
Moving away from UCV for a second (because I still have 2 pages of the thread to read... )
I didn't have a lot to flesh out at that point, as it was just an observation at that point more than anything else, I didn't say I thought you were scum because of it, so didn't feel the need to push a case through, but I think with the small amount of information I had (2 pages) I explained why I thought the way I did about the information the best I could. Please explain further if I am misinterpreting this though? But I thought I did use the example I was referring to as much as I could at that time.cy wrote:Once again, he refuses to specify any points. At all. The difference between you and him is the fact that you use sources, you recall specific instances, and you fleshout your thoughts. Even in your first few points about the situation, you came across way more town they he did. That's why I townread you and scumread him.
But "Novels" are us expressing our opinions, how else would you like us to catch scum?Transcend wrote:Guys no novels plz
I am unsure, the reason why I said it *could* be scummy is because of the potential focus on something seemingly irrelevant (but as I explained above, I do now see this as making UCV look more Scummy that cy). The reason I said I have my eye on cy isn't because I necessarily believe he is Scum, but because if this becomes a constant thing it could lead me to believe he is. However, his recent posts have me leaning away from this view.Katyusha wrote: ok i guess this is what i wanted to get at
you think this is newbscummy or just newb?
Hi.
In post 188, Transcend wrote:I hate this postIn post 13, cytheflyguy wrote:Wow it's been almost a year and a half since my last game here. How's everyone doin'?
VOTE: transcend
If we're going by this logic, I think this would be a good place to start.
Transcend, can I get a list of previous games so I can verify this myself?
No offense, but that's like...really bad logic. If you are the only person who feels this way, maybe you should expand?In post 190, Transcend wrote:Last two lines are artificial
Check my previous games. I used to be super excitable and wasn't mature enough to play. That's why I took such a long break. I wanted to play more seriously, but sometimes niceness comes out every now and againIn post 151, Keychain wrote:Your other responses to me like 61 and 96 came across a lot sharper than 107.In post 143, cytheflyguy wrote:What do you mean by super agreeable?
And it's not the quality of the townread - it's very easy to townread actual town with actual reasons when you're scum, so that doesn't really give me any reassurance of your alignment. But I find I get townread that solidly by scum more often than town, so it worries me a bit.
Idk, I say that more out of habit than anything.In post 206, schadd_ wrote:why would he be offendedIn post 205, cytheflyguy wrote:In post 188, Transcend wrote:I hate this postIn post 13, cytheflyguy wrote:Wow it's been almost a year and a half since my last game here. How's everyone doin'?
VOTE: transcend
If we're going by this logic, I think this would be a good place to start.
Transcend, can I get a list of previous games so I can verify this myself?No offense, but that's like...really bad logic. If you are the only person who feels this way, maybe you should expand?In post 190, Transcend wrote:Last two lines are artificial
But that's not my point. There is no argument -- so I can't say that his argument is illogical. I didn't mean that it was illogical, but the way he was presenting it was. It's the same with Firaja. I don't think that's a logical argument to state something with no reasoning.In post 209, Keychain wrote:You don't have to be aggro Keychain will remember this though.In post 174, Zachstralkita wrote:No Key Chain it actually is not thanks
Can you explain your schadd scumread?
?In post 192, schadd_ wrote:keychain has a lot of padding
You're digging yourself a hole here but I want to see what you do outside of interacting with me. Didn't like that response to Transcend - I don't understand how finding your post artificial and scumreading you off that is illogical.cytheflyguy wrote: Check my previous games. I used to be super excitable and wasn't mature enough to play. That's why I took such a long break. I wanted to play more seriously, but sometimes niceness comes out every now and again
With that, I can't control your previous interactions, but I have more reason to townread you and not scumread you.
You can play serious and be nice simultaneously!
VOTE: UC VoyagerUC Voyager wrote:uhhhh uhhhh uhhhhIn post 195, schadd_ wrote:uc voyager are u excited to Hunt Some sCum!
Please post a read
(Preface: all of this has been stated before in 107, but I'm rewording this to make it more understandable)In post 245, Firaja wrote:I don't see where I was passively making a case about you, I said the interaction was weird and stated I would have my eye on you both for if you continued in that fashion or did not. The only reason I said you were scum was I was asked who looked worse in the situation, to which I said *if anything* it would be you and explained why, bearing in mind it was at the time, and as time as gone on it is clear I jumped the gun here.cy wrote:For what you addressed to me, my problem wasn't the fact that you were said anything bad about me, but that you were passively making a case against me with making very vague claims. That seems rather suspicious. Look at my argument against you and my reasoning for townrading Key. I'm still wary of you doe, but you do make a good point with UVC.
(If this sounds rude I apologise) but am I missing your point here? If so can you please help me see it so I can defend against it, because i'm not seeing it .
But I gave reasoning as to why I found the exchange weird? And said why (at the time) I thought you looked slightly worse because of it?cy wrote:I don't think that's a logical argument to state something with no reasoning
Looking back, I'm not a fan of some of your logic. Especially with:In post 283, Zachstralkita wrote:Cy if transcends posts bother u what is your read on me
Honestly I think it's a valid reason for Firaja to think UVC is scum. Although I didn't like their original form of reasoning, I agree with their current points. There is no reason for UVC to have kept the joke going for a while. Maybe it was more of a joke to everyone else that I still don't get the humor of, but yeah, I'm not liking UVC's progression and been meaning to move my vote somewhere else.In post 262, Zachstralkita wrote:Firaja the rest of that paragraph actually doesnt make sense
Every interaction provides information the way it is?
Uc didn't undo anything
So scumreading him by that metric is ???
that's an awful convenient read keychain
I was saying you employ logic when you're scum so reading you with -vibez- is bad
Many people do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 389, Zachstralkita wrote:i hate u cy
I can agree with that.In post 395, Jodaxq wrote:Most of Zach's recent post strike me as paranoid and defensive. I'm starting to lean towards scum with him.
This post in particular bothered me for a while and it didn't hit me earlier today as to why. Transcend's entire game has been about making claims and then never backing it up. People don't really question it either. Looking at this list, his hardest gut town was someone who, as of this post, has posted 5 times, and as of that post, posted once. One time and that's his "gut town", and because of this endorcement, and next to no one questioning Transcend on his reads, wave has easily claimed a role that no one can varrify, and no one (as far as I know) scum reads him. He says things as if they are fact, but in reality, they are gut guess that he cannot defend but treats as facts, which is why when I asked him, he refused to clarify anything. . Like...isn't that questionable logic? Like even more questionable than my original blunder. You can't assume someone is town for lack of scummy post. You have to townread them for things that look like town motivation.In post 324, Transcend wrote:Null will be purple since mod color is yellow
Zachstralkitadon't tr yet which is alarming
Dunnstral*probtown but should prob null read to be safe
Keychaintown
Firajatown by gut but has really bad posts
Havowas thinking scum leaning town now
Jodaxqscum
cytheflyguyscum
schadd_town
Transcenddoggo
wavemodegut town
UC Voyagerunsure, prob town
Katyushatown
Everyone Else\_O_/