Mini Normal 1964 - Hell Is 56k Dialup - Endgame!

[Katyusha]

VOTE: Transcend

always the optimal play

[Katyusha]

VOTE: everyone else

VOTE: Everyone Else
Because most of us are town, but Everyone Else is mafia.

(Its the best i could come up with ok... )

Not to be That Bitch™ but im fairly sure that u can only vote one person at a time....

pedit: ok i just deleted this rant i had about statistics and independent probabilities but it's good to know you were joking here \_O_/

i really wanted to say "not to be That Bitch™" again though so thanks for taking that opportunity away :////

[Katyusha]

cy dont worry about reading trans

when i blitz my chakras rly hard i have like a >90% of reading him correctly

i say today we behead the doggo monarch viva la revolucion etc etc

[Katyusha]

cat got your tongue trans?

[Katyusha]

Am i the only one that thinks this "statistics" talk is a little distracting/pointless?

I get it's a joke but it rubs me the wrong way for some reason...
IGMEOY UC Voyager and cytheflyguy

do you think theyre deliberately trying to keep attention away from scumhunting?

doesnt seem like the case to me

[Katyusha]

Trans, what do you have to say?

It seems a little weird to me is all, because it is early on it probably is nothing but i feel like a fair bit of focus was put on it when it needn't have.

I mean yeah it's irrelevant and anything irrelevant that gets focused on always gets too much attention, so...

out of the two of them which one is pinging you more? if at all?

[Katyusha]

Did someone say cat?

I will destroy it

too late, everyone else just voted for you so you're lynched

were you town?

Trans, what do you have to say?

It seems a little weird to me is all, because it is early on it probably is nothing but i feel like a fair bit of focus was put on it when it needn't have.

I mean yeah it's irrelevant and anything irrelevant that gets focused on always gets too much attention, so...

out of the two of them which one is pinging you more? if at all?

If anyhing i'd say cytheflyguy looks a little worse from it simply because his couple of comments on it is what made it into more of a thing and started the conversation on it. But as i said before because it's early on it is probably nothing, just something I'm keeping in mind for now.

VOTE: Firaga

no?

cy's the townier of the two of them - he's the one actually trying to bring substance to the table by asking about the meta behind the percentages

i feel like scum is more likely to miss the nuance there

[Katyusha]

Right, however using something out of seemingly nothing is a little sketchy to me. Trying to take something seemingly irrelevant and potwbtially turn it into something else is what is runbing me the wrong way here as it may be a potential to cause misdirection.
Again this is all a bit of a reach as it is a bit early, but i do see your point as well of cy trying to find substance and add to the discussion.

I'm not really making the connection of how turning the discussion from "haha let's ql trans for memes hes statistically more likely to be scum" to "how do I read trans?" is a scummy diversion of attention. town wants to be able to read the rest of the table to ultimately find scum

Btw, I'm assuming you're new? do you have prior experience on a forum if so?

[Katyusha]

Katyusha.

dat me -_-

[Katyusha]

Your posts are giving me this vibe

that might be my seductive aura

tell me more so we can be sure

[Katyusha]

you dont think firaga's scummy?

[Katyusha]

tentative scumread on UC Voyager
If it weren't for cys first post I'd be voting there tho tbh

Aw that's all right, I'll do it for you.

VOTE: cytheflyguy

Overly focused on reading someone by meta instead of sorting the players actually present.


@UCV 15: love it

trans didnt post yet though and once he did cy said he wanted to "see what he has to say"

that gives me the entirely opposite impression :/ - or i guess one that leads me to think he's just going to use whatever means are best available to him

pedit: Valid^tm

[Katyusha]

I don't think

Transcend.

[Katyusha]

Katyusha: what I mean is it's like stalling. Going for the player who hasn't yet confirmed and requesting meta - especially considering that the amount that somebody rolls scum is not alignment indicative at all unless I misunderstand completely - then sitting back and waiting for this one player instead of looking into any of the others available.
I don't like it. It feels like busywork.

I agree with this.

whoops i missed this while phoneshitposting

i mean im not defending it as good play - i just think silly busy work at this stage of the game isnt AI for someone out of practice and like cy from what i can gather from his posts. maybe a different player you could argue but it doesnt seem out of place to me

plus firaga casting suspicion there is

[Katyusha]

also i just realized it's firaja

the only aja i know of is curaja so.........

[Katyusha]

im pretty sure it's just me

[Katyusha]

cy be a dear and vote firaja with me?

[Katyusha]

im very tempting

[Katyusha]

as are my choice in lynches, of course....

[Katyusha]

@Keychain

68 is actually talking to you lmao sorry

if my firaja vote was just for disagreeing with him i'd also be scumreading you here - theres more to it but i want people to do more before i push a full case

although saying it's just because i'm disagreeing feels a bit reductive. it was in the way he explained his reasoning that felt off (i.e. that he wasnt really parsing the game like i would expect town to)

[Katyusha]

cy this might help

for anyone else u can do the same by clicking their username, viewing their topics, and then going thru all the games in the list

[Katyusha]

Ah, OK

I'm not really happy with the cy push in general since firaja supports it (besides me townreading cy)

[Katyusha]

trans is this going to be one of those games where you're town and i hate it

[Katyusha]

it's not that i hate he's town i hate when he's town and Like This™

i dont really know how else to articulate it lmao....

also tbh i have little faith in most people being able to consistently read my alignment except when im obvious town so...

[Katyusha]

i'm starting to really think you might be....

[Katyusha]

i mean

there are a lot of things about this account in general that are huge giveaways but here we are

[Katyusha]

huh

[Katyusha]

/shrug

anyway

what do you think of firaja?

[Katyusha]

it's like 6 pages and most of it is memes lol....

[Katyusha]

Right, however using something out of seemingly nothing is a little sketchy to me. Trying to take something seemingly irrelevant and potwbtially turn it into something else is what is runbing me the wrong way here as it may be a potential to cause misdirection.
Again this is all a bit of a reach as it is a bit early, but i do see your point as well of cy trying to find substance and add to the discussion.

ok i guess this is what i wanted to get at

you think this is newbscummy or just newb?

also to find this post i looked at the activity count and i have to deeply apologize to everyone for having 30 fucking posts already so i'll just shut up and let dunnstral take over once i hit submit

[Katyusha]

VOTE: Dunnstral

_badvote_

Did you mean:





although i disagree where the fuck is DUNN

i'll make a serious post later

[Katyusha]

Firaja (3): Schadd, Katyusha, cytheflyguy

Town being lynched by town town and scum

how is firaja townie

or cy scummy?

[Katyusha]

Dunn isn't a hyper poster anymore

wait whaaaaaaaaaaaat??

[Katyusha]

Why is mariaR wearing a ushanka

to fit with the communist theme since this account lacks a distinct aesthetic

Their posts

i was hoping for an expansion here!

ie specific posts that arent their entire iso

[Katyusha]

ok so deliberately delaying my posts so i dont wind up spamming the thread is biting me in the ass since i pulled an allnighter yesterday and actually need to sleep

will try to find a point today to catch up but im not going back on my bullshit of flaking

[Katyusha]

give me a moment im trying to sink my teeth into this game rn

the joda push is not really that convincing though so far (like page 11ish??). i get that shes stiff but it seems more like a personality thing, there's some sparkles of townie thought process here and there with her ISO

i think havo saw the same stuff as me so thats

im still sticking to my guns on firaja though - im not really sure why people are giving him a pass when his posts seem to be reeking with noncommittallyness that seems really scummy

i could follow the UC Voyager push though

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townie people: zach, havo, trans, wavemode
dont want to lynch but would like more/to look over again: keychain, joda, cy, schadd
am ok lynching right now: dunn, firaja, UC, EE

thoughts still feel really ephemeral though but that tends to happen when i have a lot of pages to catch up on lmao - hopefully this will be less vague when i do a deeper read here

[Katyusha]

Your lynch pool sucks

so does your firaja townread

no but fr besides joda who should be in that list then...?

[Katyusha]

Firaja help me out here

from what i'm seeing a lot of your questions feel like they're digging more for clarifications rather than motive so i kind of want to readjust how you're approaching the game

How are you feeling about the Joda push and Joda herself?

[Katyusha]

Lies ^

Uhm, why?

And how does that help?

[Katyusha]

ugh theres a lot of useless slots and i'm definitely one of them

besides practically every stance of firajas being a wafflefuck in a scummy way i dont know how to add to zach's read because im basically nodding along with every thing he's saying

joda wagon is still garbage, UC is just useless and could very possibly be scum but Firaja still seems like a more productive lynch in that he has content that's actually scummy

actually joda have you weighed in on firaja yet? I dont think UC is a bad lynch for today but whats your view on Firaja as a slot?

[Katyusha]

i feel personally attacked

[Katyusha]

townlean

there are a lot of better choices for lynch

[Katyusha]

townlean from whence!

i think her UC voyager push is good and her reaction to trans's shitposting is somewhat townie

I continue to be scum pinged by UC Voyager.
Transcend still seems town to me. His read on me is bad, but I've seen a couple of others with a similar enigmatic play style and they were all town. Plus, his posts have an organic feel overall.
I'm not really sure what schadd is doing at all.

^ this especially

im missing the words for it but it feels like a genuine read on trans

i think if her push on UC was a scumpush motivated by him being LHF her attitude towards trans would be less forgiving

[Katyusha]

whomst've

WHOMST'VE'LA'NT'A'LL

[Katyusha]

i'll try to do so (present an argument) but rn im feeling kind of dead whoops

[Katyusha]

the revelation that solves the game entirely

[Katyusha]

Shit, sorry, reading up right this second.

Thought I posted on Tuesday.

[Katyusha]

woah, i was just reviewing a bit more and this jumps out to me a lot. katayusha, can you explain your scumread on firaja? where does it come from?

i think i'll have a lot more to say after you answer.

He seemed hesitant to commit to any stance or point any hard fingers at anyone. That wishy washiness i feel usually comes from new scum who don't really want to stand out but want to at least seem like they're contributing. I tried poking him with my last question to see if I can get him to give a stance on something besides the cy/UC interactions he was focusing on for most of the game.

I'm going to try to start on a clean slate though with your slot since the break I accidentally took is kind of throwing me off.

[Katyusha]

With this added in it just seems like they had an assumption bout a player and wanted to try to take advantage of it(them being new).
I mean, if it was me and I saw this with a “new” player, I don’t think my first reaction would be voting them as caught scum.

I think what you're picking up on is that it was partly a bluff - I did disagree with their stance and kind of felt it was in a scummy way but it's normally the kind of read I'd hold back on early game. I figured though pushing something to move the game along would help in some form.

[Katyusha]

Dude you were doing so well and then this. Bloody hell. Selective tells that don't apply to others is real bad. Like real bad.

trying to understand your transition in reads here - is the strength of your townread of firaja's opening post (which i really don't think had a townie tone but ok...) enough to counteract the scumminess of that post? your iso makes it kind of unclear

[Katyusha]

Is this believable to people? ^ ^ last two

the content itself is genuine but the tone is particularly awful for schadd imo

[Katyusha]

Very Confidently Town

Jodaxq

- extremely genuine engagement, i still dont get wtf she was a wagon and will look here next post

Havo

- obvious town content

Srceenplay

- mostly a meta soul read, read on me is good albeit off

wavemode

- claim is town

Probably Town

Zachstralkita

- general mind meld but i havent been able to bait out the tell i have on him and when i try to read him wo it i generally fuck up :/

Espeonage

- cy was townie, dont like espeo as much and need more clarity

Transcend

- Lack of effort feels like his town lack of effort but bad read history (it's easier for me to pick up on obvscum!transcend than goodscum!transcend or town!transcend so i'm still a little hesitant to fully townread here without flips)

Keychain

- remember liking our disagreement early on but i've neglected most of the wall posts this game besides firaja's one and some of zach's

Lynchpool

Dunnstral

- literally undreadable unless he's hyperposting wtf

northsidegal

- firaja is still poopy to me and i have too many townreads to want to clear this up

schadd_

- gr0ss

Everyone Else

- has done nothing but take easy potshots (probably keeping up with the thread and cant find the right footing to get engaged. i would think town tries a little harder to get involved when they cant)

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mostly posting so i can remember where my thoughts are before my reread

from the cold reading i just did joda went up to a strong townread so her wagon's something i want to look at, will probably try to stomach wallposts after that so i can dig deeper into key/zach because looking at my lynchpool i'm definitely missing something in the probably town list

[Katyusha]

VOTE: Jodaxq

gut read scummy

dunn give me more here

can you recall what pinged your gut about her? like specific posts?

[Katyusha]

Depending On The Length Of Time Required To Find A Replacement, And Given The Proportion Of Players Replacing In, A Short Deadline Extension Will Be Considered. Player Input Is Welcomed: I Need Something Funny To Print On This Next Lot Of Custom Toilet Roll.

forgot to comment on this, the game should just keep going at its current pace - i think the current replacements will keep up the pace and i at least trust dunn to make a better effort to get involved.

[Katyusha]

srceen can you explain why my "knighting" is scummy knighting and different from town defending townreads if i'm understanding your viewpoint correctly?

[Katyusha]

If I haven't brought it up these were some decent posts from Joda's ISO around that time:

i havn't posted in a while!

You don't have to be a hyper poster to be active. You've been active enough to know what's going on. You responded quickly to the "is everyone an alt?" question even though you hadn't made an appearance since your opening distraction. You've been asking about some of the meme posting, and when people have called out your name you've responded rather quickly.
Just to be clear, none of these things are scummy in themselves, but they show that UCV is active and following along in this game. Since he is active and choosing to not scum hunt, I have my vote on him.

This is a strong town observation - someone who's going to be prodding everyone and trying to sort their alignments are going to notice things like timestamps and make the analysis to follow through with an alignment read

I continue to be scum pinged by UC Voyager.
Transcend still seems town to me. His read on me is bad, but I've seen a couple of others with a similar enigmatic play style and they were all town. Plus, his posts have an organic feel overall.
I'm not really sure what schadd is doing at all.

The trans read specifically hits at the right spot. there's a self awareness i dont know how else to articulate about it that feels like she's fighting against an urge to scumread him over her dislike of his play, but recognizing it's NAI.

also my initial reaction to the fake dayvig (which are like the first joda posts i saw chronologically) was town. i thought the sassiness in "my thoughts are in the thread" is - in a good way - out of character for her. such a shift in persona implies that she was genuinely annoyed by the situation

just in general tho i tend to hard defend townreads so i dont really see why it's out of the ordinary. if someone's towniness is not shining through to everyone then someone might have to step in and show that alternative view. town is a team after all!

like i guess i get your point in that it would seem unnatural to defend a townread early when there's not enough content but there definitely is and was enough content to reasonably have a read on joda either way.

[Katyusha]

Srceenplay (3): Jodaxq, Espeonage, Everyone Else
Espeonage (3): Transcend, Srceenplay, Keychain
Transcend (2): wavemode, Zachstralkita
Everyone Else (1): Havo
northsidegal (1): Katyusha
Jodaxq (1): Schadd

Not Voting (2): Dunnstral, northsidegal

First of all the current wagons are absolutely disgusting and i support none of the top wagons atp

I'll cave to Everyone Else to not get Espeo/Trans/Srceen lynched but that slot is better off vigged because I can't see scum finding it worth defending but that changes the instant i get off my ass and post a firaja case if this doesnt lead to a new scumread

Jodaxq (5): Transcend, Dunnstral, Keychain, UC Voyager, Schadd (L-2)
UC Voyager (4): Firaja, Jodaxq, cytheflyguy, wavemode (L-3)
Firaja (2): Katyusha, Zachstralkita
Transcend (1): Everyone Else
Everyone Else (1): Havo

so it's important to note that everyone's voting here and only EE's vote is RVS - havent looked at mod iso while responding to srceen so im not sure if this is correct but i think this is the only time everyone is voting.

the UC wagon has decent composition as it is (Joda, cy, wave being decently strong townreads), so while my gut instinct is to say that nsg has a decent chance of being scum as a result that's obviously not always the case. {Zach, EE} are the only off-major-wagon slots that are worth looking into for scumreads though

the joda wagon is a lot weaker in towniness; trans key and uc are OK but i can absolutely see the first two as scum here. schadd and dunn are both bad slots though

the impression i get from this votecount as a whole (esp knowing that i'm town and havo being obvtown) is that scum gave the joda wagon its momentum. the UC wagon staying put for most of the game and the people committing to it being townie makes me think that scum are moving their votes and keeping up with the momentum while town is mostly sticking to their guns in this gamestate. i realize this logic probably doesnt make sense now that i'm writing it but i definitely want this vc revisited once zach, EE, nsg, or I flip.

i already asked dunn about his vote so i need more from schadd here

Ok. Fair point. That was helpful

forget if it's u or espeo but i think i have another question for you

[Katyusha]

nope it was espeo lol

Ah, OK

I'm not really happy with the cy push in general since firaja supports it (besides me townreading cy)

This is bad posting. And exudes scum ego.

where are you getting the scum ego from?

early game logic at least for me is "slot i like being pushed by slot i dont like = bad wagon" so im not really sure why anything about my post there seems out of place to you

[Katyusha]

schadd can i get like a readlist from you because your trajectory feels all over the place to me from a quick iso

VOTE: schadd

i'll give nsg a chance to engage and do contenty things that arent walls since i still cant stomach this game's walls fsr (probably bc im not that into this game sorry) - schadd's voting history is pretty crappy though and im not getting much thought process here

EE is a valid fos imo but schadd is the same but better (scummier?)

[Katyusha]

[Katyusha]

sure, go ahead with the case

also i swear i will read your posts at some point this game day!! im just in a half turkey coma rn (american, and it's late)

my Good Mood ^tm kicked in like a few days ago and i'm on a break so i should be able to do some shit before deadline~

[Katyusha]

™ on mobile or when there's something i can copy+paste, ^tm on laptop or desktop

and yeah i get you

probably gonna sleep for real

[Katyusha]

hey keychain you might not have to write a case at all :/

still trans why vote for ee over schadd?

[Katyusha]

Last two lines are artificial

Oh dann some analysis. A rare goodposting.

you're aware of who you replaced right

[Katyusha]

hey keychain you might not have to write a case at all :/

how is espe not town


now keep in mind having shit reads is not ai LMAOOOO

it's not, but in this fashion it feels like trying to dismantle a possible townbloc

but this is why i want some semblance of clarity when he catches up

Because i don't fos shad

not to be a bitch but

y

[Katyusha]

VOTE: Espeo

yeah i'm calling bullshit on everything he's done on this slot

i dont buy for a minute that he picked up crumbs on anyone being bulletproof and didnt pick up on anything else. him getting the person wrong too suggests that the crumb callout was made posthoc after he read wavemode claimed and when he couldnt justify it he just picked a random slot that sounded like it could be a crumb. i dont know espeo's meta but im going to look into it bc i think this is supposed to be an attempt to keep it up.

the recent sk push is also dumb, seems like an attempt to muddy a possible townclear. we dont know if WM is actually 2SBP, he could just he 1S. without seeing a third kill there's ZERO reason to go straight to SK spec

also his trajectory wrt his suspicious makes zero sense to me from a town perspective. where's the effort to get the widely townread people he scumreads (zach, havo, kind of me) into viable pushes? him voting srceenplay while holding these viewpoints doesnt add up imo bc srceenplay is a revival of a leading push. this seems like the interactions of someone avoiding sticking his neck out.

annoyed he hasnt responded to anything ive asked him - scum has far more reason to act petty and ignore their "scumreads" since it stops town from actually looking into their thought process and getting a read there

i'll respond to keychains case off mobile, respond to some other posts, and probably give more here but this will do for now

[Katyusha]

dunn is flat out null, if you want to lynch a useless slot it's schadd for me

[Katyusha]

schadd > EE > Dunn

EE and schadd are scummy, Dunn I just don't have a read on

[Katyusha]

zach i cant shake this feeling you're finessing me hard but without My Tell™ and it being too late to pull it out i just vacantly agree with everything you say and i know u can do that as scum but ¿??

this game as a whole is annoying i just want a flip

[Katyusha]

(Seriously, You All Suck, I'm Getting A New Player Base And We're Just Gonna Retcon This Whole Shebang.)

valid tbh

and trans idfk i dont feel solid in anything - take this as a yes tho bc joda's town

espeos scummy and you didnt like cy so idk why u changed your mind

im seeing zachs point on dunn so any of the lurkers are fair game if ur not good with an espeo lynch

[Katyusha]

espeo has more votes so im staying put unless trans moves

[Katyusha]

If that greens Im hitting u with a traffic cone.

valid

also

LIOL UZI VERY

please make ur slot useful uwu

[Katyusha]

zach, I get why Dunn is scummy but why is he worse than schadd

[Katyusha]

VOTE: schadd

didnt realize nsg moving her vote takes away from espeos wagon

current goal is to have a wagon on a scummy slot overtake the joda wagon at the very least. espeo and schadd are my preferences but dunn is fine. luv can catch up

[Katyusha]

in case it's not clear im tentatively ok with nsg thus far

[Katyusha]

hey i like barely read but where the fuck did schadd's scumread of me come from

actually where in general did it come from

[Katyusha]

also am i high or are prods this game 24 hours because i thought i posted saturday

[Katyusha]

Why is Schadd scum?

Katy, your reasoning for voting is Schadd is shit. If you can’t follow his thought process and feel he’s been all over the place, attempt to understand where’s he’s coming and don’t just lazily park. Just voting him without any follow through isn’t going to suddenly make him provide content you not only deem satisfactory, but clear.

Have you not noticed that that's what I'm doing?

schadd can i get like a readlist from you because your trajectory feels all over the place to me from a quick iso

I need a starting point for getting clarity. The game has moved pretty quickly from schadd's last posts at that time and asking him questions about reads that've likely changed is going to just be pointless noise. I need something relevant and tangible if I want to do anything with a lurker slot and schadd is more likely to deliver that if I ask than dunn has so far.

How would you have followed through in my position? im honestly not seeing what i should have done besides asking for a readlist

also uzi wagon was , trans gets town points for being the first to unvote and acknowledge that it was crap

[Katyusha]

UNVOTE:

reading 925 rn

[Katyusha]

why is trajectory all over the place notable

why vote

because i generally can vibe with town you and see where you're coming from. you being opaque to me is weird and scummy and calls for clarity

vote bc i wanted to redirect attention there

also im sure trans can vouch for me but like i ask him to do things all the time as town even knowing he's not going to do anything and i feel this has been referenced multiple times and im not sure why you dont know this lmao

i dont have much else to say about 925 besides it's the town thought process i'm looking for from schadd thats been missing

VOTE: espeo

[Katyusha]

i think town:

transcend, keech, wavemode

more town than the i don't fucking even know pool:

srceenplay, dunnstral, jodaxq (???) (but i think so) (?)

i don't fucking honestly even know:

uzi, havo

like marginally more scum than the i don't fucking honestly have any fucking honestly idea pool and she gets her own tier because it feels like a read that 2016 me is very confident in and wrong:

north side gal

there's also like zachary and there's like so much bullshit i'm thinking up about how i would think he would go and i think it's like reasonable that he thinks he has some way to read me that works but he's also like weird and motivated by different things than i would think and seems like he could be agenda/lynch-driven but also like the only (completed) game that i've played with him was trash garbage bullshit and i don't have any idea. like remember last time how i was like "lmao i'm judging zachary from speakeasy" well I'M SOMEWHO NOT FUCKING ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THIS GAME IS LIKE DIFFERENT AND LESS SMOOTH AND STRAIGHTFORWARD THAN KIDNEY WHICH IS INTERESTING CONSIDERING KIDNEY WAS TRASH GARBAGE BULLSHIT

zachary

like rather more scum than the i don't fucking honestly have any fucking clue pool but honestly this game feels like a game where my reads are trash garbage so like whatever honestly fucking and it feels weird to put katy lower than zachary?????? but i think i think that:

espeonage, katy

this readlist hits too close to home which also reminds me that i'm probably wrong about a lot of things because im scum on this list





past experience suggests it's the zach read im wrong about (ie he is scum) but i have no tangible reason to go about pushing it nor do i even know where to pressure it because like? if i knew how i would

schadd what do you want to talk about? at this point i dont really know how to make myself active and useful and im lacking the drive to do so here which is bad but i just desperately need a starting point this game and i'm lacking it

[Katyusha]

Katy's the strongest town I have

this shouldn't be the case

i get meta but like no one has ever meta read me correctly and the people that should have the play experience to do so rightfully arent so????

where is this coming from

[Katyusha]

ok but like

this reminds me of a certain game where i hard townread trans as scum in a situation i probably shouldnt have and i feel like you're doing the same because from an informed position it makes sense and feels like "what i would do as town" but it's really not from my vantage point

[Katyusha]

so what im asking for is clarity as to why i'm so obvious town that maybe is a little more meta agnostic

[Katyusha]

ooh wait why do u think me scumreading u means u r wrong about things exactly

because besides that read i have the same readlist except with you in the top town tier

naturally since that means i have two scumreads (zach and espeo) im missing something blatant

i hard tr you, trans, srceen, joda, and wavemode. by like number rules or whatever i probably should relook havo i guess but he's still in the townpool. keech is probably town

dunn is idfk still and i guess we also differ on that read but at this point i dont know if it'd be fair to say i scumread him

like instantly im waffling on uzi though i didnt like the way his wagon felt and just reading it it felt scumlead and on town but i have to look it over again bc im not even done coldreading and his reads i guess are bad. numbers rule

that leaves whoever it leaves

zach's read on me is :eyes emoji: tho fr, my read on espeo hasnt changed

worried about how i literally have no footing this game - scumreads and reads in general feel really ephemeral and ???. this is the most prods i've gotten in a game im active in (ie not one im depression spiraling out of) and i feel really fucking gross about it but like!!!! i open the thread and i just vegetate and dont really know

what do y'all think about nsg

fajita was gross still but nsg is somewhat better. thing is tho shes one of those people i dont have a good understanding of her personality and i cant read her that well so i have zero confidence

[Katyusha]

what have you done

You're an easy read Katy. Well I have some people that are like that on this site. Not a lot. It's really like, some chakra shit that has to do with your playstyle. Not joking.

But Ya Mans Finessing U


Pedit BRUH

this isnt an answer zach

what have i done. my third eye chakra is overactive but that doesnt mean i cant zero in and translate meta-centric reads into something tangible to someone who's unfamiliar with someone

do that but for me

[Katyusha]

no but with 978 the lack of me being scumread until now when nothing about my approach or interaction with the thread has really changed is just strange

it plausibly could be town scumreading me with replacements seeing the game differently but thats why zach's insistence of me being town is ???

[Katyusha]

Day 1 Will End Really Soon. Like, Really, REALLY Soon... Or In 0 days, 21 hours, 53 minutes Which Is Still Fairly Soon In The Grander, Cosmic Scheme Of Things.

hey town who do we want to compromise on if we don't want espeo

im not confident enough to lynch havo or luv, schadd is firmly town

nsg is an option im ok with i think

[Katyusha]

well what are the other people missing

enlighten them







but ok

[Katyusha]

like if it's that transparent should i have to ask you three times?

[Katyusha]

i'll respond to keychains case off mobile

not sure if this is worth following up on

[Katyusha]

example i could tell you were actually trying to solve firaja for one; i disagreed with you but that interaction was what i would expect. other actions etc etc. this is pretty boring. the way you scumhunt and react to certain people / approach certain reads is actual organic consideration

i dont disagree zach that you can townhunt well and you defend them but you also emulate that often as scum. it's actually a notable thing i remember from the times i've seen you as scum (not related to tell)

what im missing here is though is that srceen and espeo (and I think luv? dont recall) both said that they felt my premises on firaja were leading and even I conceded that there was some bluff involved. why are you different here? like

i know this seems tedious but there's a blank spot here. i'm at point a, you're at point c. you're explaining to me c when i still need b here

[Katyusha]

someone who's inactive on site and comes in to play while theyre being wagoned isnt motivated by anything and his spew was obviously town

and why am i singled out

[Katyusha]

like it's not like schadd's third eye chakra activated because he sensed during thanksgiving break that people were voting him, theyre just events that reasonably aligned with each other

could he be scum? sure i guess. but like... that specific point is really nai

[Katyusha]

Bc you said he was your top townread which is as ridiculous as what you called zach out for

right, i moved off of him because his posting when he came out of the woodwork was town. is that special compared to the other people who moved off of him because, presumably, they townread him after his posts?

and im contemplating whether or not it's even worth explaining why theyre town at this point tbh

pedit: ok i guess i do

and no espeo trying to assign motive to someone who suddenly becomes active while under fire is horseshit. like... what do you think town him is supposed to do? continue being lurky and useless and eat rope?

[Katyusha]

the level of content in the game escalated significantly from 513 which was like his last game advancing post from his hiatus to now - it makes absolute sense that he's going to infodump when he catches up because what else are you supposed to do?

like regardless of alignments

i think the argument that his contributions were little is like.. valid... but he was one of the more active posters earlier on and within the shitposting there's still clear attempts at sorting. it was significant contribution to the game when the standards were low. in 4 days time though we have to acknowledge we've had replacements and significant wagons. the content in the game almost literally doubled! so maybe if you're thinking axiomatically and not applying context and motive to what's going on, sure, posting a lot more while under pressure is scummy. but when "what is town schadd going to do here", the answer of "not do what he did" doesn't make sense, especially if you only weakly prod the fact he hasn't posted much throughout the game but never outright call it scummy.

anyway highlights of 925 that i liked that made me reevaluate my vote:

• the push on nsg i felt was strong analysis and it's not like he's not making an effort to follow through with it. there's obviously a deadline in less than 24 hours and that needs to be addressed first. "what do you think of nsg" is enough of a follow through on that read for today.
  
• comments on me feel like exactly what i expect him to call me out on... if he didn't know me which is weird but not scummy weird. like maybe he forgot that i have a tendency to ask trans to do things when i know he wont
  
• his comment on 869 had a good bite to it. like. if you're not strongly townreading joda it's a pretty good question to ask someone who thinks/plays like her because if they're town it lets them try to see through prejudices they might have towards a playstyle, and if theyre scum you can see how they justify that read. like i obviously dont know if this is what schadd thought while writing it but i know good town questions when i see one

among other things that are mostly just tone

his recent push on zach is also pretty cathartic - i'd actually like to hear what you think about their 1-on-1 so far

[Katyusha]

also i recognize this is personal but i mindmelded really hard with his readlist

[Katyusha]

ftr Espeo and Schadd are both dueling at L-3 if my count is correct - espeo has plur

trans and wavemode if you could weigh in on your thoughts on these two wagons that'd be appreciated

[Katyusha]

i also hate that i finally feel solid about my stance on the gamestate ~20 hours before deadline

the day needs to end though and ideally with an espeo lynch

[Katyusha]

fos transcend

[Katyusha]

unless you're saying that bc you're implying people need to save you you realize we have plur right

we dont need a full 7 votes for lynching

[Katyusha]

fair but it's plur so if the 20 hours are up theyre up

all that really means is that we can actually wait for claims/defenses for the full time and not worry about deadline scrambles

which is a good thing i guess

[Katyusha]

i say 20 hours but it's actually 14 so er

[Katyusha]

im uh

probably not gonna b around for much besides quick unvotes/votes

pagetop fos isnt serious at all btw im just trying to get trans to notice me

[Katyusha]

trans pls

can u just like skim iso espeo or at least read over the interaction i had over the last few pages w him and give a ya or nah to the lynch

ik ur town at this point so being useful would be like

cool

[Katyusha]

zach i need to meditate on you a bit but i will get back to you

[Katyusha]

Mm.

[Katyusha]

anyone remember to get almond milk

[Katyusha]

Two goons flipped

A cop and a presumed vig

Mafia should have something to counter this

I wonder what

penguin mafia had a full cop, vig, and doc only countered by a rb

so maybe a gated roleblocker but im not feeling it

[Katyusha]

setup spec isn't going to be really useful anyway

i want more from dunn and reevaluation from uzi atp

Gonna absolutely shit myself if it is joda and i half assed solved the game d1

Feeling pretty confident right now u did.

i still really think that joda is obvtown but if there's an association that makes you think otherwise lmk

[Katyusha]

i dont buy for a minute that he picked up crumbs on anyone being bulletproof and didnt pick up on anything else. him getting the person wrong too suggests that the crumb callout was made posthoc after he read wavemode claimed and when he couldnt justify it he just picked a random slot that sounded like it could be a crumb. i dont know espeo's meta but im going to look into it bc i think this is supposed to be an attempt to keep it up.

i really thought this but the speed at which he found the post where he supposedly got the crumb after i asked him about it makes me think that it wasn't fabricated.

also do you still think this is true nsg

flip basically confirms to me the pr read was bs

[Katyusha]

Dunnstral
northsidegal

Havo

Jodaxq

schadd_
Transcend

wavemode

Srceenplay
Katyusha

Lil Uzi Vert

where im at - dark greens are probably never moving the rest of the game

wavemode should probably be higher with espeo's pr read and all but i feel shitty basically revolving my entire read on a slot based on a claim

[Katyusha]

if dunn is scum he was like distanced as hell

zach pushed him he pushed esp at eod

i mean i thought this but i dont think scum mind bussing or shade throwing a useless partner especially if they have reason to anticipate a vig

like in a zach/dunn team im expecting dunn to get shot first so im going to play like that

pedit: SK can be BP if we have one but two kills makes me think no. sk isn't going to want to shoot maf N1 and zach was scummy from espeo's flip

[Katyusha]

and keychain was like the obvious nk so

they probably shoot like trans or srceen or me

[Katyusha]

i kind of like don't tr havo still but that's just me

zero scum motive in stopping espeo from claiming imo and espeo went really out of his way to shade both him and zach (and me) so im kind of feeling he doesnt do that for his whole team

and after a little thought actually

VOTE: northsidegal

i think this is where i want to go today

[Katyusha]

oh fuck before i forget

v/la today and tomorrow, pulling another all nighter for an english essay zzzzzzzz

being proactive this time and not letting myself get prodded lol

I mean i still kinda want joda

Can someone town case her?

have you looked over my posts from d1? i felt like a lot of her frustration at town's uselessness was really genuine and i liked the flow of some of her reads

only reason i didnt dark green her is being off the wagon really. nsg is not someone i strongly townread despite being on the wagon and to me is the most plausible busser

[Katyusha]

my instinct is bus but off wagon makes sense considering the people off the wagon (uzi kind of disappeared after a while, dunn has always been out of it, joda's kind of principled anyway) so i'd say either or

do agree though that wave's probably better here

[Katyusha]

yeah thats why i wanted uzi to reevaluate LMAO

[Katyusha]

then esp was probably just the scum on the wagon and he's town

it felt like a shitty lynch as i was reading it and uzi immediately giving up felt town but im also really bad at reading him

[Katyusha]

probably on friday/saturday depending on my mental state i'll dig into zach/nsg/espeo interactions but im kind of getting more confident the more i think about the chain of events from memory

Thing is esp lied about uzi being L-1

He was L-2 i believe

what does that mean then? could easily be a mistake and not motivated by anything

[Katyusha]

I would shit my pants if someone bussed esp and it isn't this slot

yeah same lol

[Katyusha]

actually thats

something

LMAO ok hang on then

maybe it's better we just hear from the people who were off the wagon/nsg

pedit: same but not enough to shift gears

Lol yeah my reads were bad.

To be fair I had Zach as scum but for some reason thought Transcend was the scum out of the two..

Think Katy, North, or Screen

explain me and srceen

pedit: as in espeo...?

[Katyusha]

joda's being voted by obvtown slots and dunn

thats all that comes to mind but im also distracted

[Katyusha]

Me voting town

you're not voting in a lot of those lol

[Katyusha]

yeah i remember espeo's fajita read making zero sense and he never tried to talk to me about it

pedit: it being a constant cw?? idk it's not scum moving the wagons so idr agree

[Katyusha]

yeah idk what to make of it

joda!scum still feels weird to me and im sure theres other vc oddities

[Katyusha]

but boon is boon

i dont really know joda's scumstyle

[Katyusha]

i think the former because that was early game and anything could have happened

like

i had to ask cy to vote for firaja even though from his pov as town it would have been a logical vote

[Katyusha]

ive always felt vice versa lol

[Katyusha]

i feel like i could see through scum!yours but besides our first game which doesnt count bc experience i dont have enough games w u to back that up

like it really depends on the player and who's reading and how closely \_O_/

[Katyusha]

VOTE: Havo

no fr explain this 1

[Katyusha]

Katyusha talking about me voting Joda then hopping on Northsidegal is disingenious fyi

what are you talking about

i said obvtown slots and you voted for joda?

which is true you're not obvtown

[Katyusha]

wave havo is saying he was pretty conspicuous in general eod1

[Katyusha]

trans

lol

[Katyusha]

schadd whats your stance on almond milk

[Katyusha]

VOTE: schadd

hm

this vote came from after i gave pressure to espeo

i think schadd and espeo were still dueling at that point too

[Katyusha]

pages 32-33 basically affirms ^

pedit: he pushed both heavily throughout the game tho even before you replaced in

[Katyusha]

nsg you're thinking of different espeo votes of yours

[Katyusha]

ive always found that whatever kind of almond milk they serve at my school helps me activate my Third Eye Chakra^tm which really helps Bolster My Creativity^tm and Enhance My Intuition^tm and See.

i think it's silk.

Zach was pushing me...

zach was pushing you at the end of the day yesterday when there was almost no chance that a lynch wagon would form on you. before i mentioned anything about you it was ee over you. after i did, it was "ee and dunn are at the same level for me", but i'm pretty sure the vote or the case never followed until the end of the day.

zach was also the first person to push dunn...? like in the very beginning of the game when he had like 1 or 2 posts

ie before you said anything

[Katyusha]

all about that subtle nutty flavor

anyway schadd it might grow on you. lmk

VOTE: nsd
Until I change to my real vote.

? as in you dont plan on scumreading her or

[Katyusha]

ok im procrastinating i need to go for real now

i had an excuse before bc i had class soon but now i dont

idk my chakras tend to be music-dependent.

hmmmmmmm

[Katyusha]

VOTE: north


hahaa i can meme too guys!!!!!! wowie

in other news tho im like halfway thru this essay and it's been a distraction filled 3 hours of work (uhh say 1.5 hours of real work) so thats nice

tho i will say i agree with the sentiment that the ppl who dont think it's north should probably work on strengthening their counterargument bc the game goes on if north is town and not only do we need to think about who to lynch tomorrow, but we should also think of who the vig should off and use it as a double lynch

early town steamrolls can easily be curtailed by laziness, so i'm going to nip this in the bud asap

[Katyusha]

i mean i guess but i would like thought put into it!

like dont vote for a wagon if u disagree with it D2 lol

back 2 work

[Katyusha]

I did a ton of thought this morning

Everyone is lock town except those two

And i think joda is scum over north

Wave can still be in the mix in my opinion as well.

^ @trans town isnt ready to move on because the townbloc hasnt actually reached a full consensus. we can go to day 3 if needed once we're collectively sure. voting against your reads rn is forcing a consensus unnaturally and thus stunting our understanding of the game

i think wave is pretty clearly town by association here and will go into my argument when i have a moment and am not distracting myself (4/5+ pages and im just starting my second point lol). i recognize im all talk rn with preachy bs that i do believe in but dw i will make sure that i rigorously follow through with it

[Katyusha]

We have time, and I want to hear from the people we likely will lynch and vig so that we don't lose their opinions.

Which is why @Joda, I would like to know why you feel the people you listed

shouldn't

be out of the suspect pool, unless your stance is just "I don't townread them but I don't scumread them", because I do agree with you that Dunn should probably still be in the pool tbh

still kind of cramming in other work but i will obviously provide why i feel every player shouldn't be considered over nsg after my last class today (5:30ish?) as I promised earlier.

pedit :zzzzz

[Katyusha]

UNVOTE: nsg

obviously still my top suspicion but not ready to lynch

[Katyusha]

as soft confirmed town i'd ask to have the hammer

so i can have a few minutes to make a soviet hammer

so that I can decide when to end the day

ty

[Katyusha]

fr i dont understand why "hey can we be sure we're not fucking this up" is such a controversial view

we're still going to have a fast day it's just going to be >24 hours LMAO

and yes im in class lmaooooooo

[Katyusha]

5. Deadline Lynch: When the deadline passes, if no player has a majority of the votes, the player with the most votes will be lynched. If more than one player is tied for the most votes, no lynch will occur.

oh no one called me out for this yesterday but a tie means that no one is lynched, not the usual rule of the first person to get the most votes breaks the tie

not that we'll need to worry but still

[Katyusha]

will get to explaining my poe when i wake up - wanted to do it earlier but <3 hours of sleep caught up to me

[Katyusha]

lyncher is not normal like wavemode said, sk is unlikely because only 2 kills per night so far when vig makes perfect sense in the setup, and the bp claim isnt really a good lynch when we have transcend to motion detect him

even then i think espeo being obsessive about his claim and trying to instill SK paranoia makes it unlikely they're aligned together. he's not mafia and he's probably not 3P (zach and keychain are both terrible SK shots because SK doesn't want to poe mafia down this early and zach was a good candidate for scum, keychain was the obvious mafia kill) so he's town more than likely

like i agree with the sentiment it's not a solid read but

[Katyusha]

but now it's time for me to write a wall o3o

[Katyusha]

Firmly Town

schadd_ - Counterwagon to Espeo, good associatives with both scum (Espeo tried to push bullcrap on me and dismantle my townread of him, He and Zach had a 1v1 that unnecessarily made Zach look worse). Meta is in here somewhere but at this point it's far beyond obvious he's town here that it's not needed.

Transcend - Motion detector claim is self-resolving, very confident meta read. Espeo did have some weird buddying with him and Zach tried to throw paranoia around him but those aren't really strong associatives?? but anyway

if anyone ever tells you trans is scum down the line vote them bc theyre scum

Havo - I think his hammer has very little scum motivation (is an ounce of towncred really worth preventing your partner from claiming?) and Espeo put the most effort in trying to dismantle townreads on him.

Srceenplay - I guess where we differ Joda is that I've seen Srceenplay's towngame several times on my main and thus have a decent idea of how he thinks. His thought process feels very organic and naturally town so I agree with a townread at the very least, just him being on the espeo lynch seals that read to me for him. I suppose he's less town than schadd and transcend but it feels like minutiae to compare them.

Katyusha - lol gonna try to be objective with my slot here......... still i think the point I moved onto Espeo when he got lynched in its specific context makes it unlikely a bus (I could have continued throwing crap onto schadd very easily or redirected the lynch elsewhere since espeo wasn't a viable wagon until I made it one), and Zach's interactions with me show that he was concerned with saving face against my paranoia against him rather than distance from me. Espeo also included me in his group of people he wanted to dismantle townreads on without pushing them. This and the motion detector clear I think in combination make me very unlikely scum here but this is obviously more meaningful from someone who isn't me

Jodaxq - still gonna double down on this. she's basically killing herself at this point, wavemode (FROM ONLY AN INFORMED PERSPECTIVE THAT KNOWS HE'S NOT MAFIA) is not at all a viable lynch, and she literally needs to survive for her whole team. She's not going to go this confidently against the grain and make herself everyone's enemy, that's just dumb to do when you're informed. She's town from D1 content and I'm more confident about it than before now

Most Likely Town

wavemode - 3P is unlikely because Zach and Keychain are both bad picks for kills and I'm assuming he wasn't roleblocked by scum who probably would want extra kills right now on slots that aren't getting lynched. Claim is self-resolving when we should get a massclaim going lategame to try to see how the setup fits together. Not a good lynch but hasn't really done enough to make me confident.

LUV - His lynch's momentum and his reaction to it screamed town (committing yourself to a vt claim is wild too like wyd scum!Uzi), his reads are bad too and detract from his credibility which is not really a good thing to do to yourself when you're in an informed position and know things like a Keychain scumread when you're obviously killing her N1 and a me scumread will make it harder for you to be taken seriously lategame. I guess it could be scum deliberately trying to do that? hence why he's only in the townlean pile. i guess the credibility argument also ties into wavemode but i think he's less egregious about it

Leftover

Dunnie - yeah idg why he's confident i should be townreading him because i don't think zach's push on him is clearing enough to townread him and he hasnt done anything. normally this is "null" but i townread the rest of the table so it's not.

nsg - i kind of would like to make a full on case here soooo

VOTE: nsg

I was Lyncher and Firaja was my target

gg boys had fun

Ohh lmao

I say that so often I forgot about it

For future reference, Lyncher is not Normal

I don't get why people couldn't just come out and say this instead? This is my second game on this site so how am I supposed to know such things?

bc sadly people are annoying here and forget that newbies exist .-.

joda what is ur goal right now

what are some things you're worried about that would make us not win

would like to hear this too

[Katyusha]

yeah luv used to be red for me but ive kind of thought about it more

[Katyusha]

oh and srceenplay/espeo had that interaction about UCV "roleclaiming" and srceenplay seemed to have a knee-jerk reaction to it and really scumread it - implies it's not a planned interaction and one that comes from srceen not knowing espeo is scum for a fact

((these are things im seeing as im putting together my nsg "case" thats slowly not being a case and just an explanation))

[Katyusha]

ok i was expecting to make a full on case but it's not really working for me

I think what bothers me most about Northsidegal here though is the chain of events at pages 32-33

her espeo vote in 778 is really short lived. basically as soon as i give it traction in 802 and the votecount in 808, she soft defends espeo in 822 and naked votes schadd which at that point was a less viable wagon than espeo

while she did clearly scumread schadd, im not seeing what was worth moving off of espeo when the wagon was just becoming viable. the most obvious explanation here is that she didn't want to actually commit to a bus at that stage until it was inevitable (i.e. when she voted espeo later) and I'm hardpressed to come up with another. Plus me following her vote after stating that I could lynch schadd from the lurkers also was a really obvious outcome that she could have been trying to manipulate. NSG can you talk to me about your thought process here?

also i took longer to write this than i should have since midway through writing it i decided to read keychain's iso for once zzzzzz (i remember her scumreading nsg but that read reversed quickly fsr)

If we have a vig, what do you guys think about having them claim.
I think it gives accountability and eases my my about 3p.

i think tomorrow if we mislynch and misvig

[Katyusha]

[Katyusha]

no

[Katyusha]

like im really missing why my reasons joda is town here are wrong

??

[Katyusha]

for ref assuming no sk:

if vig dies tonight (assuming no rb):

• 1 lynch, 1 vig, 1 nightkill (N2 into D3, brings us to 7 people)
  
• 6:1 town:mafia means 2 mislynches before 3 way lylo
  
• 4 total townsided kills before LYLO/MYLO

if vig dies n3:

• 1 lynch, 1 vig, 1 nightkill (N2 into D3 brings us to 7 people)
  
• 6:1 town:mafia
  
• 1 lynch, 1 vig, 1 nightkill (N3 into N4 brings us to 4 people)
  
• 3:1 town:mafia is still 4 total townsided kills, plus a no-lynch

if vig dies n4

• 1 lynch, 1 vig, 1 nightkill (N2 into D3 brings us to 7 people)
  
• 6:1 town:mafia
  
• 1 lynch, 1 vig, 1 nightkill (N3 into N4 brings us to 4 people)
  
• 3:1 town:mafia
  
• if vig chooses to kill, 1 lynch, 1 vig, 1 nightkill (N4 brings us to 1 person)
  
• 5 townsided kills, plus a MYLO which lets us hammertest

is my math wrong?

[Katyusha]

i'll respond to nsg in a bit because im the middle of something but that came up while thinking about this game

[Katyusha]

wait yeah it is

i'll fix it later

[Katyusha]

VOTE: katy

[Katyusha]

VOTE: katyusha

[Katyusha]

sorry that i want to see how much room for error we have!

[Katyusha]

it equally applies but usually i react with sass with you so

[Katyusha]

then just vote nsg schadd why are you wasting time voting me

[Katyusha]

[Katyusha]

schadd you know what the significance of almond milk is here right

[Katyusha]

a simple no would have sufficed but ok

can we get back to lynching nsg/people telling me why joda's scum

theres literally a motion detect clear on me and theres zero reason to actually scumread me here

i realize now that 1353 was supposed to be a mockery of my thought process which is

dumb and not at all why i'd be fucking counting through how many lynches/vigs we have now

[Katyusha]

no

and i know it doesnt have meaning here

and i realize that i probably shouldnt have expected you to understand almond milk and im not really sure why i thought you would but thats fine because you didnt need to unTIL NOW I GUESS

[Katyusha]

about sufjan stevens being irrelevant or that you dont know what almond milk means

[Katyusha]

i mean sufjan stevens isnt irrelevant but

in the context of this game

[Katyusha]

sufjan stevens just sent me a letter through a carrier pigeon telling me i hurt his feelings so i had to fix my mistake

[Katyusha]

the sheer four word string "sufjan stevens being irrelevant" made me upset so thanks,

pedit

the more i think about this the weirder this is bc i never thought ud care about my opinion anyway LMAO

[Katyusha]

Tell me more about how I'm scum because I'm a lurker Katyusha

thats the implication i get here

[Katyusha]

Prod received. Who we lynching?

joda fsr but it really should be nsg

[Katyusha]

if you leash the vig you should at least take their reads into account imo so yes and no...?

i'm in favor of it being like a double lynch but jodas obvtown and i'd rather do nsg/dunn unless you guys strongarm joda lol so

[Katyusha]

ok so im being a self centered bitch

yeah i guess if thats what town wants

[Katyusha]

[Katyusha]

ok well thats l-1

i refuse to be a part of this wagon and have said my piece about why it's shit so if anyone would like to hammer please give intent etc

people who are voting are welcome to actually tell me why im wrong tho thatd be nice

[Katyusha]

[Katyusha]

anyway the vig is supposed to shoot nsg i guess

so i would do that

[Katyusha]

@mod can we do a fast night or nah

forgot if he had a rule for that

[Katyusha]

sorry :/

your play was perfectly fine. this is what i hate about town apathy from winning

always think of the worst case scenario when you're winning

[Katyusha]

No, you still are. I'd like to massclaim and I'm not sure where we begin with that.

Schadd and trans are still lock town but that's about it.

was that a vig shot?

if so then mafia's kill got canceled because i'm sure as hell they wouldn't target NSG

btw she was obvtown but oh well i'm sure some people have the same beliefs about joda.

my best guess is this unless it's vig

VOTE: dunnstral

NSG had to be a vig shot, I thought we made it clear that the vig shoots them or claims SK.

[Katyusha]

schadd had no motion

Wait, really?

hm

still locktown but i thought he was the vig

is there a world where espeo is an all town wagon?

I'm starting to think it depends more on the setup.

If the scumteam can reasonably anticipate a vig then they'd know that zach is fucked and try to play long con. If they're all goons then it's plausible.

I thought it would be all goons yesterday but now i'm not positive

[Katyusha]

me you and schadd are all confirmed town based on my motion detector results.

technically i'm not unless we know scum have a pr

[Katyusha]

I don't think dunn shoots wave (which is the most likely scenario regarding the lack of a scum kill)

No kill is plausible though to hone in on SK paranoia.

[Katyusha]

Not killing transcend is an extremely dumb move here though which is bothering me the most

if dunn doesn't hardclaim vigilante he's my lynch rofl

I can roll with that I think but I still would like a massclaim

if mafia no killed or targeted wave, they did it into a mislynch

if they killed we would have 8 alive, and 2 mislynches available

we have 3 mislynches available rn.

oh, wait shit you're right

yeah we can roll without a massclaim imo

[Katyusha]

it might be a no kill to avoid getting motion detected

eh

why not just shoot you then

[Katyusha]

like i'm really confused about what scum DOESN'T shoot trans here

[Katyusha]

Katyusha - md psuedoclear and obvtown anyway
schadd_ - md clear and obvtown anyway
Transcend - md and obvtown anyway
wavemode - 2shot bp and obvtown anyway

Dunnstral - kind of feel like he plays this better tactically and shoots trans or a vig guess, at the very least has the most to lose from a nk gambit/popping wave's BP

Havo - Espeo hammer was pro-town and probably to an extent that doesnt really seem worthwhile as scum when he can just go through with intent and still be equally townread

Srceenplay - Timing of espeo push felt right, played into SK paranoia as soon as espeo did which is really weird for partners

Lil Uzi Vert - vt claim and timing was townie to me, not really sure if I agree his associatives are good but his D1 reads were bad to an extent that I doubt they come from scum (espeo's bad reads felt bad while uzi's felt believable and had basis to them)

@trans, 3 mislynches includes vigs right?

Okay so out of like 7 games, only one time was a motion dectector given to scum.

trans is 99% town - do you have reason to believe otherwise?

i'm all ears tbh even if i'm pretty confident in my meta read

[Katyusha]

i probably should go more in depth into reads at some point but i cant do all the heavy lifting here

[Katyusha]

also with a shitty protective role (2 shot bp) and a vig i think giving town a weak investigative in the 2 shot cop and motion detector makes sense even without scum power

bp/vig/cop/md is probably the full setup

[Katyusha]

wait

uzi, why did you hammer joda without weighing in?

were you no longer entertaining the possibility of scum!me with the motion detection clear? what happened to your srceen read?

[Katyusha]

Espeonage

(7):

Schadd

,

Katyusha

,

Keychain

, Srceenplay,

northsidegal

,

Transcend

, Havo

Schadd

(3):

wavemode

,

Zachstralkita

,

Espeonage

Havo (1):

Jodaxq

Northsidegal

(1): Dunnstral

Not Voting (1): Lil Uzi Vert

only people off wagon who arent universally townread/mechanically cleared/dead as far as i can tell are uzi and dunn

havo i think is a more likely busser than srceen?

(also while doing this i realized the possibility of wavemode just no killing meaning he's not confirmed town but it's stretching)

also i dont usually pay attention to setup spec so im not sure but is there a pr here worth using over killing?

[Katyusha]

i mean i guess that's fair enough

i'm still weighing between havo vs. dunn then.

which is why uzi if you think srceen is scum i'd like to know why

feel bad about not hard towning joda

\_O_/

im more annoyed that i tunneled town for half of D1 for scumreading scum

[Katyusha]

7-2 is 5 trans is which is 1 mislynch before lylo

[Katyusha]

in that case should the vig out if they don't give us another ML?