TBD Mafia 2 [game over]

[Bulbazak]

@Marble: Can you give me reads on Vax and Snarky?

[Bulbazak]

Here ya go:

votecount (current)

2 players voting for Llamarble (ActionDan, chesskid3)
4 players voting for Bulbazak (drealmerz7, Chickadee, Llamarble, Vaxkiller)
1 players voting for MarioManiac4 (Desperado)
2 players voting for Toby Determined (SnarkySnowman, SlySly)
2 players voting for Desperado (Dunkerdoodles, Mulch)
1 player voting for Serious Vote (Toby Determined)
1 player voting for Vaxkiller (MarioManiac4)

6 player not voting (EddieFenix, mastina, Srceenplay, Vecna, Bulbazak, randomidget)

with 20 votes, it takes 11 to lynch.

day 1 will end in (expired on 2017-09-23 10:00:00).

[Bulbazak]

Er, cross Sly out of voting for Toby, and it's accurate.

[Bulbazak]

I have a headache and need to get up in the morning for work. Maybe I can make sense of this after some sleep.

[Bulbazak]

I can see Snarky's posting from scum. Could be the off-wagon scum.

Pending a huge reevaluation, I'm having trouble seeing where the other scum are. Snarky's one of the names that leaps out at me, and your reaction here tells me that he's definitely not a survivor. Would you be up for voting him?

I think Random is the best bet for scum on the Slysly wagon.

I have a weak town read on Random.

That is interesting.
Now I have to start over with lamarble.

Death didn't end the day and we still have about 11 hours left.

Wanna try Chess now?

Dude dont you see?

This COMPLETELY confirms my theory.

Chesskid, Llamurble and Alisae are on the survivor faction together

I knew there was something going on when Chesskid went into ragemode over me questioning Alisae.

Now it also totally makes sense why he was defending llamurble so much and continuing to be so aggresive towards me at every point during the process.

No. Chess is just scum.

And we can finally work together Chesskid, so drop your rage against me, because my line of questioning and reads that somethign fishy was going on were on point.

This is the first line from Vecna that actually pings me. Still think this slot is more likely to be town, though.

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

[Bulbazak]

[Bulbazak]

I shot Mulch.

And who the crap took away my JOAT abilities and replaced them with a Fruit Vendor? I had a Doctor and a Watcher shot, and now they're gone.

[Bulbazak]

I didn't even know what the Zoe/Zelda thing was about and picked one arbitrarily.

i'd like everyone's top 3 shots at your earliest convenience

{Chess, Chickadee, Toby}

[Bulbazak]

At the moment I want a mario lynch as well. Vecna is close behind. Bulba pings back and forth for me and I would rather figure that out later.

A few others I would be willing to jump onto even tho im not as confident about them.

And I doubt were going to get our Mario lynch

Vax why do you want me dead?

Really? I have to spell it out for you? 1 less scum.

ugh

VOTE: Bulba

This is a scum post trying to use Vax as a way to line up lynches.

[Bulbazak]

What do you have against Fruit Vendors?

[Bulbazak]

What do you have against Fruit Vendors?

They make great scum roles, duh.

I'd much rather have my old role back. Either somebody targeted me and gave me this ability, or the mod decided to punish me for my wish.

[Bulbazak]

Tbf, I'm going to start looking sideways at all the people who say I must be scum because I'm now a fruit vendor. It seems a little too convenient.

[Bulbazak]

I'm actually having a hard time seeing this as coming from town. It was definitely meant to neuter me and make me more susceptible to being lynched.

[Bulbazak]

@Mastina: I thought you would have caught up with the game during the night?

[Bulbazak]

Okay. Please catch up then.

P-edit: Did you want a fruit or something?

[Bulbazak]

Please stop. It hurts. I don't care that I go "woo woo" every time you tug.

[Bulbazak]

BTW hardclaiming wish granter

HARDCLAIM WISH GRANTER

Cant until night. The mod will send you all a survey.

So Bulbazak, why exactly did you vig Mulch after this?

I really didn't think that role meant Mulch was town. He later claimed that his role enabled the wishes (after many many many other things that sounded fake and panicky) and the mod chose, and I thought it made more sense as a scum role than a town role, because I thought it'd be more likely town would get to choose which wish to grant. But that was my thought process last night, so I'm not sure how relevant that is to your catch up.

[Bulbazak]

@Mastin: There were other factors in play that also led to my deciding Mulch was the best kill. I had made the decision halfway through yesterday, but given my wish and my reads, I did debate changing my planned target or just withholding my shot altogether.

[Bulbazak]

Mastina, you know my methods when it comes to planning scum night actions. Mulch wouldn't have been the kill.

[Bulbazak]

My role confuses me.

So now that you've fullclaimed your role, what was confusing about the JOAT-vig?

There was no alignment given in front of the role, the entire role PM was written in red, and the win condition was not made prominent in the PM. Sure it was at the top, but there was nothing to distinguish it from anything else in the role PM, so it was very easy to gloss over. I had to read my role multiple times to try to figure out if I was town or not, and I double checked with the mod to make sure. So for the first several pages of the game, I had no idea if I was really town, but I thought I was, and I just played that way anyway. Also, there were conditions to ensuring my abilities went through. I had to double check and make sure I understood them, and it wasn't until Vecna claimed some of his answers that I looked back at the role PM and realized that I had read it wrong and that I was not looking for answers to questions, but the questions themselves. Really, I'm going to have a thing or two to say to the mod after the game is over, because that was more tedious than it had any right being.

realistically if this game is supposed to be balanced i don't think mod would give scum post restrictions so dreal and snowman are locktown imo

Good reaction! (I had the same.)

Why didn't it have a vote attached?

Because I thought it was bad, but not to the level of bad to warrant a vote. I just kept an eye on Dunker for awhile to try to get a better read. Also, that reaction was in part because I thought Dreal was likely to be scum at the time, mainly because I thought he was faking his post restriction. Also, I just wanted to vote Mulch at that point in the game.

P-edit: I had a weak townread on him earlier. I'm not sure how much that holds up.

[Bulbazak]

The everyone ignoring obvious lines of questioning thing is unnerving.

[Bulbazak]

Dreal, take your conf. bias somewhere else. This is getting annoying. At least with the post restriction you were forced to post content or at least be entertaining.

[Bulbazak]

This is not the first time I've had a fake guilty on me. You do know you're signing your own death warrant, right?

[Bulbazak]

Like, if Desp vigs me, then you'll get lynched. If not today, then tomorrow. You're now on borrowed time.

[Bulbazak]

Although, I am getting some deja vu from Night and Day.

P-edit: Cool, then you're scum.

[Bulbazak]

Vote Zoe

[Bulbazak]

It's either you're lying, or you're scum. Simple as that.

[Bulbazak]

And when I flip town, what are you going to say?

[Bulbazak]

You crumbed you were a vig.

[Bulbazak]

But let's assume you're a cop. What's your sanity?

[Bulbazak]

Or were you planning on fitting that into your fake claim?

[Bulbazak]

You crumbed you were a d3 vig multiple times in the thread.

[Bulbazak]

Are you guys having problems with that discussion in day chat? Is that it?

[Bulbazak]

I mean, Dreal, that come back took way longer than it needed to.

[Bulbazak]

None of your business. But if Desp vigs you, I'll tell everyone which one I am.

[Bulbazak]

nb4 Dreal is a Katsuki alt.

[Bulbazak]

I didn't.

[Bulbazak]

Ask the mod.

[Bulbazak]

Then shoot me and vote Zoe. Dreal's probably in that list.

[Bulbazak]

I mean, he only claims a guilty after I get tired of him and tell him to knock it off? Please. Why didn't he make a bigger deal to the guy with the claimed vig shot? You know, the one who asked for 3 targets? Why not say "Hey, I have a guilty on Bulbazak. Shoot there."?

[Bulbazak]

Anyway, Dreal, Chess, and Chickadee are scum for sure. Figure it out from there. I'll see about getting a reads list together.

[Bulbazak]

Town

Llamarble
ActionDan
Vecna
EddieFenix
Desperado

Null/Town

MarioManiac4
Srceenplay
Randomidget

Null

Mastina
Dunkerdoodles

Null/Scum

SnarkySnowman

Scum

Chickadee
Drealmerz7
Chesskid3

[Bulbazak]

There's still a lot of uncertainty in that list. I still think 2 on my wagon yesterday, 1 on Lycan/Llamarble, and 1 off. I'm not sure if the numbers are right or not, but I do think we're looking at about 2 on me. No less than that. That may mean Chickadee's not scum, but I leave it to you to figure it out. A lot of the middlish town is uncertain. I was still working on that, and a lot of what I have down is very strong gut. I think Eddie is very likely town here. Desp probably is with the way things are going. I'm not as sure about Mastin anymore. I think she may be town, but I never had time to develop that read. She probably is if she has a masonizer. I'm just worried about what the Fruit Vendorization of my role means in regards to the scum team, and I'm thinking about who would come up with such a gambit to ensure a push. Mastin was one of the first to come to mind.

[Bulbazak]

Dreal: Are you Zoe or Zelda?

[Bulbazak]

If you don't lynch Dreal, vig him.

[Bulbazak]

It's been bothering me that Dreal has been missing fairly obvious things and not asking the right questions.

[Bulbazak]

It's eerie how silent Chess has been when his supposed strongest scumread supposedly had a cop guilty. You'd think he'd be running his mouth, but he's nowhere to be seen.

[Bulbazak]

@Mastin: If you're town, I want you to get with Eddie and avenge my death. Work with Marble, too. If the three of you put your heads together, you should be able to figure this game out.

[Bulbazak]

So I'm guessing that somebody's wish gave out bad roles.

[Bulbazak]

Or at least replaced aspects of the roles with worse roles.

[Bulbazak]

I wasn't trolling. I was doing quite a bit yesterday. However, I stopped even trying with you, because it wasn't worth the effort.

P-edit: If there's a second scum team, then they didn't kill last night. I'm highly doubting there is.

[Bulbazak]

And you only want the vig shot to end the day, because you know you'd be the lynch if it didn't. That way you would get a whole night phase with your team.

[Bulbazak]

Also, Dreal's cop claim isn't real.

[Bulbazak]

He's going to try to backtrack on it after my flip.

[Bulbazak]

A lot of his play recently has been reminding me of you from Night and Day.

[Bulbazak]

I've kinda been ignoring him for most of the game. I actually thought he was faking his post restriction yesterday, because he was actually being really inconsistent.

[Bulbazak]

Most of his dialogue just consisted of calling me scum after I voted him. But there were several things, including my initial batch of reads, that he just never acknowledged or followed up on.

[Bulbazak]

In fact, he really didn't follow up on much of anything. I just took it for conf. biasing, but maybe I should have been looking at that closer.

P-edit: I was referring to pushing a single narrative to the extreme.

[Bulbazak]

Like, you pushed the "Bulba faked a guilty" narrative super hard, even when it was obvious there were role shenanigans in play.

[Bulbazak]

Vaxkiller also still has a vote. So there's that.

[Bulbazak]

I submitted my vig request AND selected which question I thought was Mulch's BEFORE the deadline was extended.

[Bulbazak]

Congrats to Vecna. That was admirably played.

Also, a shoutout to Chesskid. You were not the hero we wanted or deserved, but you were definitely the one we needed.

[Bulbazak]

I was mainly referring to getting Snarky to kill himself. Vecna was probably the most knowledgeable of what was going on during the last few days, and he did a decent job navigating that minefield. It's true that Vecna would have been dead if anyone stopped to think and use some decent PoE, but I'm not going to diminish Vecna's win.