Open 699 - Pick your Poison - Town Win

[Transcend]

well i'm sorry for fucking up but policy lynching someone who's fairly obvtown is nota good strategy and scum use people that are in my position as a scapegoat to advance themselves further in the game. after my death youll only have one mislynch left.

[Transcend]

we have two flips tow ork with, this is salvageable.

ice!green doesn't incriminate me in the slightest bit and you know it.

[Luca Blight]

Fitz, are you really willing to end the day already with a policy lynch?

[havingfitz]

Town doesn't try to fuck over its team mates. You could have outted the IC (because I'd be amazed if there wasn't one)...you did out the jk (regardless of whether yuria screwed up it was because of your actions) and you've caused 2 people to replace out. You're antifuckingtown. And you absolutely are incriminated for helping lynch Iceguy. He was town and you helped mislynch him.

You have provided nothing positive towards town's wincon. You're like a boil on town's ass.

P.edit
@Luca...I'm voting who I want gone. I don't have 3 votes to play so the day's not over until he gets 2 more votes. If he had been L-1 I would have hammered.

Why are you voting Deas over boring? Has you boring? You were on boring almost all of D1.

[havingfitz]

Ebwop...Has your boring read changed?

[Transcend]

k 'tevs

VOTE: transcend

[havingfitz]

^L-1 btw

[Transcend]

i really wish this site wasn't so policy based because i like doing gambits all the time

but w/e if you guys think i need to die to win the game string me up

[Transcend]

all i ask is that the remslot does not make endgame

boring endgaming at this point is fine even though i think she's scum she redeemed the game well

uc voyager's posting today has been a little bit wacky as well

[Transcend]

and i've never really gotten rid of my suspicion on deasyet

fishy still reads town but i specced a game he was scum in and beasted it so i'm a lil scared

fitz is town

luca is town

mutant is town

kelbris is prob town

ectomancer i feel is town but idk iceguy said he was scum

idk who else i'm missing

[havingfitz]

i really wish this site wasn't so policy based because i like doing gambits all the time

but w/e if you guys think i need to die to win the game string me up

I don't think the site is against all gambits. Just ones thst cause town pr's to be outted.
You had no reason to claim at L-4.
As scum you'd know there was a jk.
As town...if you had a burning desire to "gambit" and put town prs at risk you should have put that fire fcuking out.

[Transcend]

i clearly said in my post tho for no one to cc me

[UC Voyager]

k 'tevs

VOTE: transcend

[havingfitz]

i clearly said in my post tho for no one to cc me

Yeah...how'd that work out?

k 'tevs

VOTE: transcend

He's voting the same wagon you are. Why the

[Transcend]

unvote

look i feel p confident about my reads

iceguy was a miss but information was learned from that

[Transcend]

also i'm pretty surei made two people in a scumslot sub out

[UC Voyager]

i clearly said in my post tho for no one to cc me

Yeah...how'd that work out?

k 'tevs

VOTE: transcend

He's voting the same wagon you are. Why the

I hope this is a joke because
1. Naked vote
2. Self vote
3. Scummy player
And so on

[davesaz]

Vote Count 2.2

Transcend(4) - kelbris, UC Voyager, mutantdevle, havingfitz
DeasVail(2) - Luca Blight, boring

not voting (5) - Fishythefish, Rem, Ectomancer, DeasVail, Transcend

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch
(expired on 2017-11-28 17:00:00)

[Luca Blight]

@Fitz

:

Spoiler: I indicated at the end of D1 that I was no longer prticularly scumreading Boring

I haven't got any massive scumreads which is unusual for me at the end of D1. I'm not convinced about either Ice or Boring, but I'm starting to favour an IceGuy lynch marginally.

Rem's vote is pointless right now and she should either vote a relevant wagon or declare intent to do so, as should Sheep.

IceGuy - Ecto isn't getting lynched today. You'd have to push that or another wagon like crazy, otherwise you or Boring, who you strongly townread, will be lynched.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: IceGuy

832 was pretty good apart from the self-vote. Not convinced on Ice as his play is similar to the last game I played where he was Town, but I feel he's more likely to flip scum than Boring at this stage.

Unless anyone is interested in a Deas flash-wagon?

Do you agree with the plan I suggested in 910?

What is your view on Deas at the moment?

[Luca Blight]

Deas

(stuff that I haven't mentioned so far today)

Town reads so far: Kelbris, Transcend, Mutant
I want to say Ectomancer too but there’s a little more doubt there.

I’m also very torn on IceGuy right now.

As I mentioned at the time I didn't like this post - he reels off three quick and easy townreads with the Kelbris one being particularly baffling at that stage of the game. His comments on Ecto and Ice feel fake - he's trying to play the 'conflicted townie' but there simply isn't enough content on this stage to justify expressions such as 'very torn'.

I’m now slightly paranoid that my three town reads are actually the scum team. :/

After I call Deas out on his bullshit reads he then says the above. Again, he's trying to play the conflicted townie but it just reads fake at this point in the game - why is he paranoid they are a scumteam? What he's saying has zero substance.

This is also the beginning of a continuing theme of 'conflict avoidance' I've seen from Deas in this game where he avoids directly responding to criticism/pressure.

I’ve looked over kelbris’s posts again and I can’t actually work out why I townread him. Maybe it was ~the vibe~. It’s weird because I remember thinking he was my strongest townread, which is why I put him first in my list. I’ll let you know if I work it out.

I was worried about mutant after skimming his big post, but on reread I still think he is town.

Transcend is still a townread, but I’m still interested in an answer to my posts.

Ok, he's admitting his mistakes which is all well and good, but this basically shows he's not putting in any genuine effort to read people - he gave Kelbris a townread but doesn't even know why.

UNVOTE: IceGuy

Guys Elmo

what

Hes wanting to go into night one already

Why shouldn't we?

(Also sorry for getting your pronoun wrong previously)

Also, current lynch pool for me (in order of appearance on the playerlist):

Yuria
Fishy
Elmo
kelbris
Viome

Everyone else I either think is town or don't want to lynch for some other reason. I'm also not sold on the Ectomancer suspicion.

Don't like this post either - unvotes IceGuy while asking Elmo why we shouldn't go into the night already, which is not only an anti-town POV but is also a silly question to ask someone on the verge of being lynched. The lynch pool of his is just fake scumhunting - pick a few quiet-ish players and put targets on their backs for others to aim at. He later states in 246 that he doesn't scumread anyone but Elmo, so why bother with this 'lynch pool' nonsense? Just push your scumread instead of lining up lynches of players you're not even scumreading.

Deas' position on me has always been a bit awkward (275) always saying I'm pro-town but never explicitly townreading me, because apparently what I'm doing can easily be faked. This wouldn't bother me so much if he wasn't giving others such easy townreads (such as Sheep in 277).

In 554 Deas likes Boring's attack on me upon entering the game, but in 759 he's saying her attack on me is scummy and is using it to justify his vote on her. Also in 554 he's now scumreading and voting Sheep when in 277 he was townreading him? Let's compare the differences here:

i would think that you forgot me because everyone else is town or you dont want to lynch for some reason
why dont you want to lynch me/why do you read me town for lurking

Oh I think you're town.

You've got a very clear openness about not having read the thread properly in a way that I believe reveals not having much care for what people in the game think of you, but then there are also some quality posts in there, such as 197

I also found 178 to be quite town. I think scum would have been more hesitant about laying bare transcend's plan. (If transcend is scum, then this doesn't work, however).

and then...

sheepsaysmeep - Weak Scum

In the interest of full disclosure, I've gone into this reads list thinking that this is where I'd end up voting. He's coasted by with very little attention while doing barely anything and it does get to the point where my previous town-lean for his blatant "I'm not reading the thread" does not really fly anymore. And I think this is that time. I feel like town would have gotten their act together and actually tried to contribute by now, especially considering the uncertainty following boring's replace-in. While I guess there's no reason for scum to if he's not in the line of fire for it.

VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

And nowhere was this huge shift in read explained.

[boring]

Fitz, are you really willing to end the day already with a policy lynch?

This.

There's no rational call for a policy lynch on Day 2, unless that player is still actively disrupting town, which he isn't. I'm also stumped as to how a policy lynch can sound like a good idea in the first 24 hours of a new day.

@Fitz - Can you share your thoughts on both DaesVail and kelbris, specifically?

[boring]

@UC Voyager, who are you townreading/leaning?

[havingfitz]

Fitz, are you really willing to end the day already with a policy lynch?

This.

There's no rational call for a policy lynch on Day 2, unless that player is still actively disrupting town, which he isn't. I'm also stumped as to how a policy lynch can sound like a good idea in the first 24 hours of a new day.

@Fitz - Can you share your thoughts on both DaesVail and kelbris, specifically?

I've given my thoughts on voting Transcend. Disagree as you wish.

My thoughts atm are still as they were here.

[mutantdevle]

@UC Voyager, thanks for answering my question by the way!

@Luca, a less sarcastic thanks for answering my question is awarded to you. I no longer consider Deas as town. He is now NULL to me but I find his behaviour suspicious.


Also, for the record, my vote on Transcend isn't a policy lynch as such. I genuinely think his scummy actions, that everyone else seems to be writing off as too scummy to be scum, makes him scum. Of course, it matters if he is actually town but mislynching him isn't losing much in my books. I think he is scum and there is a low risk to lynching him. To me, that describes the perfect person to be starting a wagon on. Besides, if he does flip scum we know what the 3rd PR is. Innocent child - since there is no way this role isn't in the game, jailkeeper - which we have lost, and vigilante - the other role Transcend tried to bait out.


So these are my reasons for voting Transcend:
- His actions that everyone is aware of is legitimately scummy to me.
- There is a low risk to lynching him since he isn't exactly a good townie anyway.
- We could potentially learn what the last PR is if he flips scum.

[boring]

Fitz, are you really willing to end the day already with a policy lynch?

This.

There's no rational call for a policy lynch on Day 2, unless that player is still actively disrupting town, which he isn't. I'm also stumped as to how a policy lynch can sound like a good idea in the first 24 hours of a new day.

@Fitz - Can you share your thoughts on both DaesVail and kelbris, specifically?

I've given my thoughts on voting Transcend. Disagree as you wish.

My thoughts atm are still as they were here.

... so one sentence on kelbris, and nothing at all to explain your DaesVail read.

Is there no reason behind your DaesVail read?