Beneath The Mask [Endgame]

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backup mod ego post

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hey guys what's your favorite color?

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I don't believe the protection dissolves simultaneously.

If CIA died n2 while varsoon shooting, shot doesn't kill.
If CIA died n2 and Varsoon venged dave, well, uh... then yeah you get the memeing

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FWIW, I think that in a generically straightforward process, where townies are acting optimally at night and can work to confirm their roles and enforce accountability for night actions, town was always capable of a steamroll.

The scum power was substantially designed to counter all that, and in particular punish townies who claimed much of anything.

Vanillaizer - this one was fairly obvious. This role REALLY needed to live a while, both to actively vanillaize PTs (who were the key power roles for the most part) and so that its flip didn't townfirm its targets. I was actually nervous that this role in particular was TOO strong, since if scum can ID the PTs early on it's nearly a turkey shoot on vanillaizing them
Godfather/Asceticizer/Reflector - asceticizer was super powerful, in terms of heavily nerfing Akira's cop, heavily nerfing town's ability to enforce any kind of night actions accountability, turning every target macho (nerfing all the docs), etc. Reflector was generically decent but also super strong against an early vig claim

The other scum roles were helpful too (shido was there as a protection against the super powerful dreaming god abilities, i.e. I wanted to make sure that those abilities would be EARNED if ever they were to be relevant), but those two roles had massive potential to do incredible damage. The fact that instead they were unable to do anything at night to shut down town's power made it mechanically a brutally difficult game for scum to win.

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I mean who got what role on the scumteam clearly didn't go well.

True. And that's also in general a proscum thing, since scum have the ability to figure out who they want/need to deep wolf.

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What's funny is that CIA and Creature were pretty blatantly town via just generic VCA via the fact that they were the only ones on the OTHER scum (PP) on day 2 in a critical situation. Scum are pretty much always going to end up bussing or trying to save mulch there; very very very few scum would be on a DIFFERENT scum in that situation, given how brutally difficult it would be to extricate themselves from that bus on day 3 OR to move forward in the game down Penguin in addition to the other scum bodies.

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honestly I could have easily used Haru for Kise's fakeclaim.

Fwiw we’d actually discussed it, in the end we decided not to.

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Haru is the most boring character in the game. Her whole arc exists just so that the main characters can fuck up and see consequences for their actions, so it's not like she even serves a cool story purpose.

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Kawakami just a side character those don't even count lol

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Also, would like an answer now:

@mod: who do you consider to be the Akira's canon romance?

Isn't there like a manga and shit?

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