Open 699 - Pick your Poison - Town Win

[Luca Blight]

@Ecto

- Does that mean you'll be voting Deas, or do you have someone else in mind?

I don’t think I actually trust anyone anymore...

What specifically prompted you to say this?

[Transcend]

I think a 1-shot cop might have inno'd me

[mutantdevle]

I say that because I agree with a lot of points everyone is making. But everyone is accusing each other. Hence I can see scum in everyone’s play and therefore I’m not really trusting of anyone right now.

I also feel like people’s views on me are dropping. Perhaps because I’ve been fading away into the background and becoming less and less relevant.

I will give some reads tomorrow wen I can properly define my opinions on people.

[kelbris]

Prodge, will make an actual post later on today/tomorrow. Been busy IRL.

[UC Voyager]

I say that because I agree with a lot of points everyone is making. But everyone is accusing each other. Hence I can see scum in everyone’s play and therefore I’m not really trusting of anyone right now.

I also feel like people’s views on me are dropping. Perhaps because I’ve been fading away into the background and becoming less and less relevant.

I will give some reads tomorrow wen I can properly define my opinions on people.

that is what people do in this game. what else do we do?

[davesaz]

Please welcome ProHawk who replaces Rem!

[ProHawk]

Hi! Haven't read much yet, but I should get to it tomorrow.

[DeasVail]

Hey peoples! I am doing after hours at work but it’s pretty chill so far, so I’m going to be going over stuff. Watch this space!

[Transcend]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

THIS IS THE 4TH PERSON ON THIS SLOT AND IT IS DAY FUCKING TWO

ROFL

[DeasVail]

Im reading DV's iso and it is terrifying

He has several naked votes! This pings me for scum! I do not see where the town motivation in naked voting is
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He says that he scum reads sheep, transcend, and Kelbris then votes for Boring????? what the hell

earlier he made a crazy lynch pool then voted for Iceguy who wasn't even listed!
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He has said things like
"scum are more emotionally involved"
This terrifies me because he hasn't been a huge power player. He is trying to tell us how scum act, so they can act differently, so he can avoid scum reads!
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he said that he won't be active til tomorrow
makes one post
i will be v/la for the next few days
I know that people can't control when they are v/la but the fact he made a post after he said he wouldn't be able to post for a day
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He was not pushing Boring til the end of day one. before that, he was pushing for someone else.
It really seems like he was trying to earn some town credit for not being on the wagon. I don't even see where he made a case on boring.
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He town readed sheep for a while, then pulled a 180 and voted for me!


scum will avoid the lynch 30% of the time! They do this because it is easy town credit, and i am thinking there is a good chance of a scum buddy bussing!
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Im not sure if i think that transcend could be scum buddy, but im starting to think he isn't

Did you read my posts properly or not really? This is actually an important question that I need you to answer honestly.

[DeasVail]

Also Fitz is a townread for me. His refusal to play along with town norms is what I expect from him. My impression is that he tries to look better as scum by being more amenable/playing along just a little bit more.

My vote is going to go to Ectomancer when I have access to a computer.

Main things are his commentary on the vig claims which seemed to be trying really hard to make it into a 1v1 when it wasn’t necessarily and his high-information, low-content posting in general such as his vote on me. I get the impression that there’s a faked enthusiasm in his posting that he doesn’t believe in and his post about makes me suspicious of him trying to fuel my wagon without explicitly bandwagoning.

UC Voyager and boring are secondary scumreads for me right now, followed by kelbris.

I will most likely post more detail particularly on Ecto later

[Luca Blight]

Also Fitz is a townread for me. His refusal to play along with town norms is what I expect from him. My impression is that he tries to look better as scum by being more amenable/playing along just a little bit more.

You have this impression from playing with Fitz before?

If so can you provide some specific examples of what you're talking about here.

[Luca Blight]

Also Deas, what's your current stance on Transcend?

[Ectomancer]

@Luca - I am going to hammer Deas. Just a couple more votes.

Mutant self-analysis cracking me up but he is town.

[UC Voyager]

Im reading DV's iso and it is terrifying

He has several naked votes! This pings me for scum! I do not see where the town motivation in naked voting is
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He says that he scum reads sheep, transcend, and Kelbris then votes for Boring????? what the hell

earlier he made a crazy lynch pool then voted for Iceguy who wasn't even listed!
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He has said things like
"scum are more emotionally involved"
This terrifies me because he hasn't been a huge power player. He is trying to tell us how scum act, so they can act differently, so he can avoid scum reads!
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he said that he won't be active til tomorrow
makes one post
i will be v/la for the next few days
I know that people can't control when they are v/la but the fact he made a post after he said he wouldn't be able to post for a day
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He was not pushing Boring til the end of day one. before that, he was pushing for someone else.
It really seems like he was trying to earn some town credit for not being on the wagon. I don't even see where he made a case on boring.
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He town readed sheep for a while, then pulled a 180 and voted for me!


scum will avoid the lynch 30% of the time! They do this because it is easy town credit, and i am thinking there is a good chance of a scum buddy bussing!
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Im not sure if i think that transcend could be scum buddy, but im starting to think he isn't

Did you read my posts properly or not really? This is actually an important question that I need you to answer honestly.

yes i read them.

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Deas
this isn't just it. I want to look into a few more case.
Also
thi is't naked. i stated my first case a lil ago.

[UC Voyager]

I’m at work, but

VOTE: Elmo

Deas, what would be your thoughts if Elmo flipped Town?

I don’t have time right now to go through things with an Elmo-town mindset (and I tend not to read things with the assumption of a particular alignment until there’s a flip because I’m a slow thinker and also a bit lazy), but I would look at things like how people interacted around the wagon. With an easy mislynch I’d expect scum to feel almost guilty about being associated with it and see if that were betrayed by their posts. I’d also pay attention to more generic things that could be amplified by the situation, such as an increased self-consciousness and care put into how they look with anything Elmo-related. And if someone is avoiding the wagon, why are they avoiding it. Do the reasons feel informed? Are they trying to look town by not mislynching Elmo? It’s difficult speaking in general terms like this without examples, but that’s the best I can do.

I also think it’s very unlikely that Elmo is a town PR and I don’t think kelbris is as likely to be scum.

he votes for Elmo in 353 with a naked vote, but turns around and explains why he is town in 374. Then he unvotes in a few posts, but says "UNVOTE BORING". This is an easy way to get some town credit while still pushing theiggest wagon. and the unvote is probably so people didn't notice.

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[Luca Blight]

So now Deas has gone from this:

Ectomancer - Weak Town

*This read needs to be revised if Boring flips town*

I generally like their posts. Particularly ~town~ things for me are:
- Thoughts on Transcend in 546, which largely aligns with my thinking at this stage of the game.
- The sudden vote on Elmo in 172 also seems unlikely from scum, but I may reconsider this in the event that boring is scum, as I could maybe see it coming from a scumbuddy.
- 199 is a nice post too, but I can't explain why very well.

To this:

My vote is going to go to Ectomancer when I have access to a computer.

Main things are his commentary on the vig claims which seemed to be trying really hard to make it into a 1v1 when it wasn’t necessarily and his high-information, low-content posting in general such as his vote on me. I get the impression that there’s a faked enthusiasm in his posting that he doesn’t believe in and his post about makes me suspicious of him trying to fuel my wagon without explicitly bandwagoning.

With not much in-between, which seems like more inconsistency to me.

1) You were all over Boring D1, how can Ecto suddenly be a bigger scumread when you townread him for most of D1 and when he's barely posted so far in D2?

2) in 554 you say you

'generally like'

Ecto's posts, but then in 985 you criticize Ecto for doing

'high-information, low-content posting in general'

.

3) Another odd thing I noticed about Deas' 554 is that he likes Ecto's post where he wonders why people are townreading Transcend and Deas says it aligns with his thinking on Transcend, but that isn't true as Deas clearly said he townread Transcend early in the game in posts such as 59, 86 and 92. Yes, Deas changed his mind on Transcend to 'weak scum' later on, but it still doesn't align with Ecto's view on Transcend which is clearly null at this point.

4) What happened to 172 being unlikely to come from scum? Has Deas revised his opinion on this now?

5) He says 199 is a nice post...but 199 was

my

post, not Ecto's, and I don't get what's particularly 'nice' about it.

Basically I get the feeling Deas is making shit up as he goes along.

[Fishythefish]

So yeah, UC's case on DV is just impressively bad.
- Some of it is things that just aren't scumtells
- Some of it is places where UC has misread DV, or is misrepresenting him badly
- In one juicy bit, I think UC slips that he knows boring's alignment
I think this case clearly came from a UC deciding to vote DV, and then justifying it - I just can't imagine it being a genuine read from DV's posting. That's not something town never do, but scum do it a hell of a lot more.

Luca

: what do you think about UC here?

Im reading DV's iso and it is terrifying

He has several naked votes! This pings me for scum! I do not see where the town motivation in naked voting is

UC doesn't explain why these are scummy, but hey, this is gold dust compared to the rest of the case.

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He says that he scum reads sheep, transcend, and Kelbris then votes for Boring????? what the hell

These posts are 6 pages apart with massive wagon context UC ignores.

earlier he made a crazy lynch pool then voted for Iceguy who wasn't even listed!

That's just not true. DV did

unvote

IceGuy, which I guess was what UC saw here.

He has said things like
"scum are more emotionally involved"
This terrifies me because he hasn't been a huge power player. He is trying to tell us how scum act, so they can act differently, so he can avoid scum reads!

The point about DV saying scum are emotionally involved while being a backseat player himself kinda sounds good, but read it in context. Firstly, DV said scum are

less

emotionally involved. Secondly, DV said that about Viomi replacing out. There's no reading of it where it is relevant to people who aren't getting upset about the game. Go read this in context.

he said that he won't be active til tomorrow
makes one post
i will be v/la for the next few days
I know that people can't control when they are v/la but the fact he made a post after he said he wouldn't be able to post for a day

Going on V/LA is just not a scumtell.

He was not pushing Boring til the end of day one. before that, he was pushing for someone else.
It really seems like he was trying to earn some town credit for not being on the wagon. I don't even see where he made a case on boring.

Huh?

Does UC know boring is town?

I don't see how else this makes sense.

He town readed sheep for a while, then pulled a 180 and voted for me!


scum will avoid the lynch 30% of the time! They do this because it is easy town credit, and i am thinking there is a good chance of a scum buddy bussing!

I don't know what this means.

@UC:

what lynch were you talking about here, and who are you referring to when you talk about bussing?

[Luca Blight]

@Fish

- I agree with most of your counter-points against UCV.

To be honest I've played in a few games with UCV and am used to his 'style' shall we say, so it no longer pings me as much as it might someone less familiar with his play. What does concern me however is that his posting style is different from what I'm used to - as if he is trying harder or something.

I don't particularly agree with the 'knowing Boring's alignment' scumslip - he seems to be saying it from the hypothetical perspective of Deas being scum and Boring Town.

UCV is certainly one to look into further down the line but I'd prefer not to take my focus off Deas for now.

[Fishythefish]

Thanks. It's helpful (if dispiriting) to hear that meta. The reason I think that might be a scumslip is that otherwise UC is just criticising DV for not being on a wagon. Without the knowledge of who the wagon was on, I don't see what UC's point is.

[havingfitz]

Hey, ha ha ha

Friendly doggo here to remind you that the rem slot is still scum

Why aren't you voting them then? Or anyone ftm.

[DeasVail]

Hey Luca, I will respond to your specific points when I get the chance, but I will say now that I’ve been a lot busier than I expected to be and so it’s been a struggle to properly engage with this. I have to rely on snippets of free time I get at work here and there or reading through things quickly before I go to bed, so a lot of the time my stances are not going to make that much sense based on my previous posts and/or my reads will shift without me making a post about them.

[Fishythefish]

@havingfitz:

I'm not quite sure from your posting - do you think Transcend is scum, or just antitown? I don't think there's any more likely reason for his claim than the gambit he's claimed. While that claim was antitown, it's hardly likely he's going to fakeclaim

again

.

[mutantdevle]

I will give some reads tomorrow wen I can properly define my opinions on people.

Sorry for not delivering on this. I've been really busy today. Possibly will be tomorrow as well but it would be Sunday at the latest.