Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[WhyMafia]

11 pages oh no

[WhyMafia]

Town reads on Transcend, Rach, and Bulb
Null town on Checker
Scum reads on LUV, Ginngie, Elli, and ConMan

[WhyMafia]

I have more scum reads in Group B ... so VOTE: Group B

[WhyMafia]

reads inconsistency detected

Hm?

[WhyMafia]

reads inconsistency detected

Hm?

ur reads are self inconsistent

also I am triggered every time people say groups are scummier than other groups rn lmao that is like holding a sign that says "I'm bad"

I'm still confused sorry

[WhyMafia]

hi please answer the bolded questions at u thanks

You didn't bold anything

[WhyMafia]

ur reads are self inconsistent

also I am triggered every time people say groups are scummier than other groups rn lmao that is like holding a sign that says "I'm bad"

What do you mean by "self inconsistent"
Additionally, I never said that a group is more scummy. Independently, I have more scum reads in a specific group. Therefore, I should vote that group. What's wrong with that?

[WhyMafia]

I'm still lost on what you're trying to point out but ok lol

[WhyMafia]

sigh

[WhyMafia]

Rauth focusing on mechanics is pretty normal for him. It helped town cruise to victory in the first Surreptitious so I don’t mind it.

LUV who are your other town reads. I don't like how you keep complaining and telling others to do stuff when you haven't done anything yourself

[WhyMafia]

Stop harping on what you think is bad and just play the game

This especially gave me that impression. Can you elaborate on your current reads?

[WhyMafia]

Out of the few you have, what are they?

[WhyMafia]

I feel like we're going in circles regarding LUV and Checker. LUV can you stop being arrogant/anti-town and actually try to do stuff within the next few IRL days. Checker can you please stop mindlessly blasting how LUV is scum. There are other slots that I believe are escaping scrutiny.

[WhyMafia]

Like ConManMick ... or Eddie ... or Elli

[WhyMafia]

Didn't you say I was scum in that MiniNormal bc you thought I was spinning a narrative there because I took many of Tchill's posts as scummy? I gave you past examples and you looked at them. What's different in regards to using meta on Momo? I personally have a town read on Momo independent on meta

[WhyMafia]

I think WhyMafia is scum

But I'm not! Regarding me not posting much: I'm just confused by the Bulba/Chess/LUV thing and all this setup discussion and I'm little busy irl this week

[WhyMafia]

I think WhyMafia is scum

I put him on my townread list because out of the players I remember, he seems less scummy compared to others. If you do go back to post 589, I did however mention that I would like to see WhyMafia post more. D1 this is not a big deal so he gets a bare town read instead of a scum read. That said, if I included the category want to wait before giving a read/null that would prob be a better fit. I think it's good that you have expressed you opinion so that it comes in discussion but also that there are clearer town/scum prospects to think about.

From here I see one of three things happening

1.) Why actually hunting scum and being town

2.) Why doing misleading scum hunting to manipulate town and ends up as cunning scum

3.) Why pulls a lurker scum, in the hopes that no content will lead to people looking elsewhere in a 21 player so that he can begin posting when he has a better handle on the game players(their emotions and stances).

Ok this is extremely scummy to me
Your post is filled with nothing
Your three points are literally all that it could be anyway???? The first part seems to have ulterior motives as well

[WhyMafia]

No one was talking about you not posting.

Momo was

[WhyMafia]

No one was talking about you not posting.

Momo was

What does that have to do with Tran's read on you

I was responding to momo's comment and giving an explanation?

[WhyMafia]

Eh I coulda been confused by how you formatted it
Thought you were talking to trans

Ah, in hindsight I see why you thought that. Only the first sentence referred to transcend

[WhyMafia]

No one was talking about you not posting.

Momo was

It's not that you are not posting it's just that there is no active scum hunting. Note that I still put you on as a tr because I understand the confusions of D1 and that sometimes it's hard to get in the play.

As to me posting the only 3 possibilities, I don't really care what you think about that. When town, I play as unfiltered as I can, meaning that I may say obvious things not because I want to make a contentless post but because that is what I was thinking while I wrote the post. I invite you to read into me further if you wish. My only request is that you don't get stuck in a tunnel.

Hm. Will take your word for now, but I got my eye on you ....

[WhyMafia]

How do you guys town read Von and Elli?

[WhyMafia]

So if I made an alt called TheLegend27 would I be lock town in every game? SWEET!


/s

[WhyMafia]

I disagree. I think Creature is probably town

[WhyMafia]

I agree with the meta of Desperado bc I recently ended a game where Desp was scum. However, I want him to post more before forming a concrete read on him.

[WhyMafia]

More I was addressing the comment of promise you don't do this otherwise.
So this is your spiel, huh chesskid. Mon so, what would you like me to comment on or respond to.

Hey can you give your impressions on some of the other slots?

[WhyMafia]

Transcend: Two questions
- Why do you town read Snarky
- Why do you scum read Majify

The only post I like of Snarky's is post 660. The rest seem like filler IMO

[WhyMafia]

Desperado Lurks as scum and doesn't really do much
As Town he actually makes attempts to solve the game

I expect way more gamesolving from Desperado.

ask chess and elli what they "expect" from me

and even if your bullshit burden of proficiency were defensible (and the short answer to a very long story is it's not, except for when it is), 5 players account for nearly 66% of the posts thus far...there is nothing to solve yet. there hasn't been a real vote cast.

i'm here, i'm reading, i want to lynch in group B, and i want LUV to claim. if you're looking for anything more from me right now, it's gonna be a long journey on the way to nothing.

I kind of got turned off with the gamestate earlier and tried tuning it out. Can you give your reasoning on why LUV is scum, and why you're insisting on a claim from the get-go?

[WhyMafia]

Why do you think he softed? I feel like people are making his earlier posts bigger than what they actually were. He expressed confidence that he won't be lynched. That doesn't necessarily mean he softed PR. Why can't we just lynch in Group B, hopefully nail scum. If we don't, then they kill within group B. That's 4/6 people left. Then we tell Group B's PR to claim if he's still alive ...
Or is there some fatal flaw in this

[WhyMafia]

I'm about here

Majiffy - null
Rautherdir - town
SnarkySnowman - scum
Thor665 - null lean town
momo - null lean scum
Lil Uzi Vert - FUCK YOU (town by elli)
ConManMick - null lean town

we're flipped on momo

Can you explain the null town on Con and Thor?

[WhyMafia]

spicy

[WhyMafia]

Sorry for being inactive. Catching up rn

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: ConManMick

[WhyMafia]

Why is Alisae being scum read BTW

[WhyMafia]

@Creature
I'll explain why I SR him, but I can't speak for others

[WhyMafia]

Up to post 539 his posts seem detached IMO. Like he seems to be just drifting along. But at the same time, he seems to be confident, forming a contradiction, therefore making me think his posts are forced. Post 867 seems strange because he could've taken the opportunity to give an actual read on Alisae but he chose not to and instead stated that he was being mis-repped. His first stance was well .... post 906, and he still hasn't given a stance on the major talking points of the game

[WhyMafia]

Basically he seems contrived to me

[WhyMafia]

Can you explain why please

[WhyMafia]

Can you explain why please

[WhyMafia]

Besides you think I'm scum yet you are basically begging me to tr you so rofl.

This is the first thing I read that makes Alisae seem scummy hm
I still think Alisae is town, but can you say what else makes Aliase scummy? I don't think the setup slip was scummy.

[WhyMafia]

This AtE is rubbing me the wrong way, but objectively I still think Alisae is town. Transcend, can you explain why I'm scum? I've noticed I'm a toss-up to most people, so beginning a dialogue with me might help. Furthermore, why do you SR Maj, and what's your read on CMM

[WhyMafia]

Like his attempts at sorting/forming dialogues/read progression
I pretty much like the entire slot apart from the AtE as well as the attempt at getting Transcend to give him a TR despite SR'ing him

[WhyMafia]

I'm slowly going down to {Majiffy, Thor, CMM} on Group B.

Can you explain Thor and Maj?

[WhyMafia]

Who we're totally not lynching today out of Group B?

Rauth Thor Snarky Majiffy Momo

I'm willing to settle on Mick because he isn't really playing. LUV is ideal.

B a a a a a a d

Post

What's bad about it?

[WhyMafia]

I want CMM lynched and explanations on you and Thor

[WhyMafia]

I'm willing to settle on Mick because he isn't really playing.

If it's about this:
Is it bad because it's akin to a policy lynch?

[WhyMafia]

Like his attempts at sorting/forming dialogues/read progression
I pretty much like the entire slot apart from the AtE as well as the attempt at getting Transcend to give him a TR despite SR'ing him

Have you been reading? How has Mikan’s play been objective? Mikan can’t be town for you based on what you’re saying because she’s clearly been influenced by personal feelings and opinions.

I have. I suppose it's not objective and more like gut

[WhyMafia]

no one cased maj either
I want to know why Maj is scum, and dependent on that I may switch my vote

[WhyMafia]

Meh I like Momo

[WhyMafia]

But would like to see his response

[WhyMafia]

Transcend, I'm not sold on Maj. Can you be more explicit please, because I don't think I see what you see to the extent that you see it as xD

[WhyMafia]

Yo. Weekend got away from me. Will try to catch up at some point today. I know I have outstanding questions, lemme find those and I'll see what I can do. Have we picked a group yet?

Yours

[WhyMafia]

I agree with Transcend on Momo. How long are people gonna make excuses for CMM?

[WhyMafia]

My two scumreads: HURT: SnarkySnowman HURT: CMM

Momo why did this change

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Momo

Thought it was already there, apparently not....

You ruined the GIF train
I demand a policy lynch on this

[WhyMafia]

This is currently the leading wagon, so let's see where it leads.
VOTE: ConManMick

Well, I know who I'm lynching tomorrow.

Actually you ruined it
how dare u

[WhyMafia]

Wm is prob my strongest sr

can you talk to me why

[WhyMafia]

Creature why did you SR Ginngie?

[WhyMafia]

@Mod replace me if it's not inconvenient

Sorry