Open 702: Vanilla Nightless Game Over

[mozamis]

ah math you dhould know this game is about psychology, people, EMOTIONS - VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH MATHS ;P

[mozamis]

VOTE: zacharai

annoying earl ywagon cos i'm in abad MOOD

[mozamis]

VOTE: zaraki

[mozamis]

VOTE: zaraki_jaegerjaquez
OMGUS

this puts the guy at L-3.
there are 4 scum.
irresponsible scummy vote.
VOTE: archwing

[mozamis]

so rvs i sover, happy to get a wagon going on archwing

[mozamis]

kinda like the vanilla thing, means no annoying gambits, just pure detective work.

[mozamis]

if everyone who is town could be really town, that would be great since no Nk's means we can make it hard for scum.
yes, i've read the wiki lol

[mozamis]

Do you have any counter reasons to my logic? It's only page 2 and I am making early reads to help my own process with it. I could keep it to myself or I can make it public. Fine by me either way really.

he's gamesolving, argumentative, transparent and not doging the issue.
comm is town.
@ whoever: i said RVS was over because my vote on archer was serious, not random
fos cyberflyguy "rubs me the wrong way" sounds like scummy bs - a"reason" that isn't really a reason

[mozamis]

Your argument is a logical fallacy.

it might be. that is NAI, town are illogical the whole time. probably more so than scum who are much more cautious and hitting the preview button ten time sbefore they post.

[mozamis]

some rationale for your wagon analysis.

at least he IS analysing, a town tell.

[mozamis]

zaraki is prob town as well, very gamesolvy and arguing the toss and being emotional

[mozamis]

My first serious vote will be going to a player who has had a very passive opening; in 27 he's trying to look busy, 41 is a useless post where he's just echoing what's already been said without directly involving himself with the Comm wagon, 42 is just an inexplicably easy townread.

agree with this, impedes question seemed a bit pointless when i had clealr said why i was votng archer. making a post for the sake of making a post.
FOS IMPEDE

[mozamis]

VOTE: Commknight

While the town reads on Cy are... unsettling... after his response to Comm, Comm still reads as the scum in all this to me. I am going to ride this wagon today.

god this looks like scummy BS "yeah kinda agree, but still gonna vote for...reasons...which i'm not giving"
FOS LUCKY

[mozamis]

Early scumread on mozamis for this little bit of LAMIST, among other reasons:

or maybe i am town wanting everyone else to be power town so we can P.O.E scum into oblivion?
and what other reasons?

[mozamis]

@cy
Why did you vote Comm in 35?

nevr mind the questions, what are your reads, opinions, analysis?

[mozamis]

wagoning comm is STUPID
luca is TOWN

sesq is prob town - yes it's meta aka expereince.

[mozamis]

egregious

love it

[mozamis]

ps sesq will now scum read me for buddying

[mozamis]

give me a a few min while i read these last 5 whole pages. this will probably take long. lol

scum lurker suspicion: engaged.

[mozamis]

shit sorry didnt realise u replacment
for lucca who looked town

[mozamis]

Previous games with people like that. I didn't realize it'd end like it did but that's Mafia for you.

bit weak? fos.

[mozamis]

giving lucky a town pass for sheer effort.
he copuld be very good scum, but hes not a day 1 lynch

[mozamis]

Lucca who didn't post?

ah different people...u can see my confusion
in which case back to FOS voyager.

[mozamis]

OK, so P.O.E time:

Town= Moz, Sesq, Lucca, Lucky, Zaraki, Comm

So scum in: archer, impede, cyber, cult, voyager, laser guy

thats four scum in 6 , good odds!

out of those 6, gun to head i would say scum team is: archer, impede, cult and voyager

[mozamis]

cant see ANY Ate in that post tho lol
we should lynch impede

[mozamis]

VOTE: impede

[mozamis]

@ Lucca have i played with you before , in agame that Magna Illusion was in?

[mozamis]

hang on tht was a differnet lucca sorry

[mozamis]

Gut feeling on Impede and UCV being scum buddies....just putting it in here for reference.

probably
i so hope i'm nto in your bloody pocket lol

[mozamis]

wow what a scummy load of nothingness from impede lol

[mozamis]

if you are town busy in RL, you would still throw out a few reads. He managed to say nothing a quite a long para.

[mozamis]

And still no-one has said why we

shouldn't

lynch UCV. For a D1 lynch this is about as good as it gets.

If we shouldn't lynch UCV then who should we lynch instead?

i think its prob a good lynvh and i'm prob gonna vote for him
just le tme catch up

[mozamis]

VOTE: voyager

[mozamis]

so why are you voit ng somone who has barel yposted and who has no chance of getting lynched?

[mozamis]

doesnt really look like scumhunting tbh

[mozamis]

belated bus

[mozamis]

no, luca thinks uV is scum.
when you have a scum read, the onus is not on you to contradcit yourself. the onus is the"scummer" to defend themselves. otherwise its absurd.

[mozamis]

anothe rgood reason impede is scu, for asking such an awful "lawyer" like question.

[mozamis]

...and i commend it to the House!
*rousing cheers*

[mozamis]

: UV no reads from you still just a lot of defensive stuff

[mozamis]

@ Impede - you are voting UV. So you think he is scum, right?
and yet you are more concerned with arguing with Lucca than pshing your scum read. you are scum.

[mozamis]

anyway. can we hammer UV and do Impede tomorrow.

[mozamis]

Why WOULDN'T you be asking lawyer questions?

because they dont give out reads and they dont catch scum.
the aim of "legalistic scum questions" are to make people LOOK bad.
i dont care whther people look bad, i care whether they are telling the truth.

[mozamis]

give us all your gut reads NOW Uv.

[mozamis]

no quick reads?
cool.
hammer this scummer

[mozamis]

wht the hell. now you are trying to rush my lynch.

Not at all. I like to play with things a while...before ANNIHILATION

[mozamis]

think it best if you guys let other people makes their minds up now, kinda drowning the thread a bit

[mozamis]

encouraging that this lynch is slow

[mozamis]

c'mon zulfer and cult, time to bus to earn that town cred!

[mozamis]

no, lets focus on uv today. nice try, though.
your hopeless equivocation is noted.

[mozamis]

maybe i was harsh on impede. is it as straightforward as tow non the lynch, scum dont want to bus?
Not sure that totally makes sense (this is a tired post!0 but you get the drift. Those posts from Cult and Laser are really weak reasons for not voting UV.
Anyway, UV is scum, and is the lynch. if you are town, please hammer.

[mozamis]

Badly written post.
Hopefully it makes sense.
Too shit, didn't read; Vote uv.

[mozamis]

Though I'm still inclined to think Impede is bussing. He voted UV, then proceded to show much interest in arguing with Luca, amd not pushing for UV's lynch at all, classic scum bus. Vote for the guy, but dont push it.
Scum UV, Impede, Cult, laser?

[mozamis]

I didn't actually expect Luca to be so right.

and me

maybe cyfly. but impede, laser and cult need to be looked at.

[mozamis]

The other two in the lynch pool for today will be LaserGuy and Zulfy.


The other two in the lynch pool for today will be LaserGuy and Zulfy.

and impede.

[mozamis]

cytheflyguy
Zulfy
LaserGuy
Athena
Comm

i think take comm out of that, and replace with impede?

[mozamis]

Now that we are post-flip I could explain why I would townread Luca quite hard

so why were you arguing so much with Lucca whilst you were voting for UV? You didnt push UV, and gave the impression -through arguing with Lucca - that you DIDNT AT ALL TOWNREAD Lucca?

[mozamis]

And what do you mean it happened at a "telling time", I responded as fast as I could when I got off from school. You posted around 1 am my time. That's NAI. Just because you were right once doesn't mean you're right again.

this sounds like the truth

[mozamis]

cyfly is town.
mayeb impede is town, his posts today do look town.
i think cult nad laser are prob scum. they were SO reluctant to lynch UV, but didnt have any reasons, didnt really push anyone else.

[mozamis]

Town: Moz, Sesq, Lucca, Cy, Impede, Lucky, Comm, Zaraki

scum; Laser, Cult, Zuly

that's where i am at

Cult loooked very weak:
VOTE: cultofathena

[mozamis]

that list is pretty much in order, as well.
Like, we must not lynch me, sesq,lucca, cy.
etc

[mozamis]

. With that in mind, certainly if I had foreknowledge of UCV's alignment I would set myself up for failure by playing in the manner in which I did. The fact that it doesn't even seem like you're considering the possibility of bussing gives me confidence in the idea that scum were definitely hard bussing UCV.

first sentence is a tricksy, WIFOm defence. Obviously, you may be scum and you simply didnt want to bus him, and then hop eyou can wifom it like you are doing.
Second sentence is clearly untrue, as i said several times that i thought that impede was bussing. (altho i wa sprobably worng about that).

[mozamis]

But that's what happens when you guys make 50+ posts PER DAY. I miss something when I expected to only read 1-2 pages when there's actually 3-4 new pages of content.

i've posted similar thoughts when town, still think comm is town

[mozamis]

VOTE: zulfy

Normally I would say "we should have done this day 1" but since we caught scum, I'll let you guys off!
but really, this guy has doen LITERALLY no scum hunting all game, less than when town lurk.
i've seen scum lurk like this many times.

obv, there is a chance of him being town and lurking, but if so, we have 1 mislynch available, yeah??
but, as i say this is mainly a genuine "this guy is scum" lynch, with a twenty per cent PL Lurker lynch as well.

Cult is still my other top pick for scum.
Who the last scum is I'm less clear now.

[mozamis]

hang on, zulfy replace archwing, right?
then we should def. lynch him.

[mozamis]

so who would you rather lynch?

[mozamis]

VOTE: unvote
the speed of this lynch is worrying.
and impede just "parking" that vote there, when zulfy cant be far from being lynched?
Migth even be Impede signalling to his scu buddies that he wants them to lynch Zulfy "I'm defintely gonna be on this wagon, lads"

[mozamis]

This is the most obvious scum wagon I've ever seen. We are lynching the guy that has posted basically nothing? I get policy lynches and all but we can't find a single candidate better then this? Everyone else on Luca's lynch pool is so much better and more of a quality lynch then the guy that gets us nothing.

i hear what you are saying. why dont we agree to have zulfy as the last minute "compromise" lynch if all else fails.
How do you feel about Cult or Impede?
Cults last few posts once again post very littel in content really, not any reads, just arguing and point scoring.

[mozamis]

This is the most obvious scum wagon I've ever seen. We are lynching the guy that has posted basically nothing? I get policy lynches and all but we can't find a single candidate better then this? Everyone else on Luca's lynch pool is so much better and more of a quality lynch then the guy that gets us nothing.

DEAR FUTURE MOZ THIS IS A TOWN POST, lUCKY IS TOWN!

[mozamis]

So do the reasons that you think I'm scum go beyond my relation to the UC Voyager lynch?

THIS IS A SCUM POST.
Scum are always desperate to know WHY people are voting for them, so they can "refute" the point. Town often dont really care why people are vitng for them, or will just tell the other person to STFU etc

[mozamis]

This is why I said that it seems like you're not considering the possibility of bussing.

"it's not fair man, my scum buddy bussed and you suspect me!"

i also several times have mentioned the fact that i thought Impede may have busssed.

[mozamis]

Also, here's a nice little bit of irony that I found looking back through the game:

classic "legalistic, rhetoric" scum
no town motivation for this post, just leaves it hanging "oh, look how Moz contradicted himself". Shade throwing.
this guy is scum.

VOTE: cultofathena

[mozamis]

Dear future moz, if you invent a time machine, tell past moz not to try buddying me so hard.

it's nothing to do with buddying, i'm town and i think your town.
look at my other games if you want.
i do it so when i come back to the game i can ISO myself and remind myslef of the main "tells".

[mozamis]

not avoiding their own lynch.

exactly, thats what i meant, he is trying to survive, not find scum, hence he wants to know why i scum read him.

[mozamis]

ah ok forget they day chat, doesnt matter
sesq, if you think cult is scum vote for him. doesnt matter if we have different reasons.

[mozamis]

bit f na prod dodge been a bad day
how we getting on lycnhing Cult?

[mozamis]

Cuz I got my wallet stolen and had to take quick measures to replace my documents, which meant a lot of waiting in lines and not a lot of mafia playing.

In my exoerience, these excuses are ture? maybe I'ma gullible twat, but this has the ring of truth to me.
plus his more recen tposts have all seemed kinda noob town to me.
think we should take him out of lynch pool.
@ Lucca - why are you not considering Cult? I'm pretty sure he's scum.

[mozamis]

I am controlling today's lynch because I have earned the right to.

easy tiger. no one is "controlling" the days lynch. This is a team game...

[mozamis]

still think comm is town - particularly arguing the toss with Lucca like that - there is very little scum motivation for arguing with the most widely read town player. most scum try and blend in more than that.

[mozamis]

but I can hardly fault her for that since I did the same thing

prob why you are scum with her lol

[mozamis]

bad english - not why you are scum, but BECAUSE you are scum with Cult.

[mozamis]

the resisatnce to the cult wagon is very encouraging.

[mozamis]

it was both cult and laser who were very relucant to lynch UV - and with basically no reason. so keeping it simple they prob are scum.
Last scummer is tricky but never mind for now, 2 is good

[mozamis]

it's Moz, Lucca, Sesq, Comm, Lucky who are unlychable today for me.
Not that keen on Impede or Zulfy.
Zaraki might be the tricky one?
Cyfly, Laser and Cult prefered.

(guess that lynch is pretty much in order of most town to most scum at bottom).

[mozamis]

Not that keen on Impede or Zulfy.

*not that keen on LYNCHING impede or zulfy that should have been

[mozamis]

Lucca - iagree Laser is int ehlynch pool. Bt could you please vote Cult?
Look at her recent posts - there was another "please tell me what you dont like about my posts" kinda line

[mozamis]

Why don't you feel good about my content in general?

this is scum "survivalism"

[mozamis]

hey I'm "a jack of all trades" how/why did that happen?!

[mozamis]

@ Cult: Zulfy is no longer my top scum read, I dont see the point of that post you are referring to?

[mozamis]

Given that nobody seems to be picking up on what I've been saying, I'll say it a little more explicitly - mozamis is scum.

ah the invetibale frustrated scum "OMGUS" - attack is best form of defence, eh?!
Done it myself.
Although you give yourself away lol "no one seesm to be picking up on what I'm saying" i.e the SHADE I'VE BEEN THROWING lol

[mozamis]

You said you had real reasons that he was scum, rather than it just being a lurker lynch. Even if you don't still think he's scum, what were those reasons?

1) he still could be scum, altho he's some way behind you, Laser, and Cy .

2) I didn't like Archer, so i guess i was biased against Zulfy when he replaced in. If you look back, i think Archer was my top scum read early on.
3) when he did replace in, he came out with one or 2 lurkery prod dodge posts which didnt look great.
3) Then he lurked.
All of which added up to the scum read.
However, once he started posting more, he seemed much more honest - that thing about his wallet getting stolen sounded honest.
So he is probably town.

I appreciate it's your job to make mountains out of molehills, but people change their reads the WHOLE time in mafia - you'll have to do better than this

[mozamis]

I've been voting you since the start of the day.

shit, my bad i thought that was you voting me.

[mozamis]

i think laser is prob scum so this is ok.
btu i'm worries that people are just blindly following Lucca.
Like we must lynch Cult tomorrow. tHe guy may very well be practically ocnf town, but it doesnt mean he's right.
So Cult tomorrow, Lucca, yeah? Its a team game, remember.

VOTE: laser

[mozamis]

good call. i just want us all to give cult a real grilling tomorrow

[mozamis]

its highly likely he's scum -he's posts are ninety percent theory and discussion. very few reads.

[mozamis]

i hear you, there are a few strong town so we can P.O.E.
But we still need to lynch Cult ASAP as she IS scum.
The last scummer i am still a bit unsure on.

[mozamis]

He's also been sheeping you a lot.

no, this has been irritatin gme for a while. I nailed Uv as scum. laser has been my number 2 scum pick for a while. I am in agreement with Lucca, it's not the same thing. He has been the more active town player and been driving the lynches through - so credit to him. But you aint taking away my scum hunting trophies

[mozamis]

UNVOTE:

I think LaserGuy is probably Town after that post to be honest.

I'm gonna choose someone else, but need to ponder exactly who. It will be someone out of Impede, Zaraki and Zulfy.

ah come on, man, its not your choice.
Laser or Cult it should be.
I agree thats the most town post Laser has made but...over all he's probably scum being "survivalist" - scum make the most efffrot when their backs are to the wall.
And the damning thing is that self deprecatong 2 I put my own play at 40 per cent town this game". What self repecting townie ever says anything like that?!
Hes still avery good bet for scum.

[mozamis]

* "I put my own play.."

[mozamis]

I sincerely doubt that scum almost certainly about to get lynched gives town the wealth of associative information that Laser did.

lol so now you pop up!
yep laser and cult are scum , 2 people vote for laser please.

[mozamis]

I sincerely doubt that scum almost certainly about to get lynched gives town the wealth of

its a lot of waffle as well - he gives town "percentages" but his strongest read was the zulfy policy lynch!

[mozamis]

It's almost a coinflip between Zaraki and Impede who look equally scummy. I'll punt for the former.

VOTE: Zaraki

no, come on we need to stick together. laser and cult are scum. Look at the way cult has been nowhere near this lynch AGAIN - its a rerun of the UV lynch.

[mozamis]

we cant lynch Impede.
I guess i would have to re-assess but VERY relucatantly, cult is my stronger scum read.

[mozamis]

i mean, Sesq is laser guys no 1 scum read...ludicrous made up bollocks lol

[mozamis]

yeah, i just saw that. my bad. but point is even stronger. Sesq...

all those guys could be town.
all we need is 2 people to lynch laser.

[mozamis]

THAT SCUM READ ON SESQ CONFIRMS LASER AS SCUM> IT IS MADE UP< FROM NO WHERE!

[mozamis]

Laser is more likely Town than any of those three.

Moz, you didn't answer if Laser flips town will it affect your read on Athena?

see my post 772.
i dont thinks that useful a line of thought, becaus ei think laser will flip scum.

Lucca, you must see that Lasers scum read on Sesq is nonsense?

[mozamis]

lol no you could still be wrong.
like, say i am wrong about Laser - and you say let's "lynch impede" - fair chance you are wrong there, so that would be another mislynch.
Obviously if i am wrong about Laser i'll have to rethink Cult. And I'll be more open to suggestions. Anything else is unreasonable.

[mozamis]

above post was @ Lucca

[mozamis]

That's kind of demanding. Why are you so controlling of the lynches?

arguing with the strongest read town player? Town.

[mozamis]

If you don't agree Moz then I'm not agreeing to Laser's lynch today as I think he's probably Town.

guess we agree to disagree on this one. I dunno what to do, i think guy is so likely scum. His reads in that post were so wishy washy - him at 40 per cent town! essentially thats Ate "sorry fr being shit guys, god i'm so scummy, i mean, put my self down, get some sympathy!"
the sesq read is obv BS.
And all theory BS from him in prev posts.
And you had a few reasons as well...!
Come on, you know he is scum!

[mozamis]

You're townreading Zaraki for that post?

No way in the world scum want to get on your bad side. You are strong tow n read, controlling the lynches. They get on your bad side, it could game over for them.
And more vague shade throwing from Cult lol

[mozamis]

ah classic sesq, you could start a fight in an empty room.
Hopign i've caught scum, so yeah I'm helping ;P

[mozamis]

VOTE: athena

no need to hesitate on this one

so i was talking out of my arse SORRY LASER.
have to give cult a break now? kinda had him associated with Laser.
Away from the game, i was thinking about it - sometimes i finds that helps, bit fo distance from all the bullshit, helps me see "the wood form the trees".
Anyway, if we let Zulfy live and he turns out to be scum, we'll hate ourselves forever.
I gave him a pass 'co sof his "lost his wallet" thing. But maybe he was, like, LYING. Apart from that, the guy has DONE LITERALLY NO SCUM HUNTING.
So i say we should put him top of our list.
Still not that keen on but that could be my conf bias.
Anyway, we need eveyone talking
Sorry again, Laser - you put the effort in and we were douche bags!

[mozamis]

Make it clearer:

Fos ZULFY

[mozamis]

Still not that keen on but that could be my conf bias.

*not that keen on CULT

[mozamis]

i think that hammer from ZSaraki was shit " Hey, man, thought he wqs like town, so yeah..." then he didn thammer, then eventrually he did?
Could be scum reluctant to be the hammer.

I know its an assumption but you gotta think scum on that wagon, yeah?

Is it as simple its the lurkery/non game solvy people i.e Zulfy, Zaraki and Cy?

[mozamis]

I mean, if cult is scum, she is playing a really awesom game, and the simple fact is , most people DONT play like she does as scum.

[mozamis]

Hmm well, alright. I suppose lynching him will have some benefit, even if it's just reads.

this is zarakis justifiction for lynching UV. it's pretty weak.

Think i'm gonn abe happy with either Zaraki or Zuulfy to day.

[mozamis]

@Moz: Do you think Zaraki would be so quick to hammer town?

I'll look at the lynch again, but he wasn't that quick?

[mozamis]

I'm unconvinced that Zaraki is scum tbh. He has a fair trajectory toward his hammer of Laser, he seems genuine in his questioning of Luca's authority, and he doesn't really do any of the fence-sitting of Laser that I would expect from scum knowing their lynch will flip green.

Sure, it's a tough one. Scum do often sit off the lynch. But i know as scum i am "opportunistic" and like to hammer, or put at L-1 etc, and hope to WIFOM afterwards. People don't often care anyway.
With Zaraki, it's not just that lynch. It's the UV lynch where his vote was very weak "Hey, at least we will get some reads" (?!)
And his lack of scumhunting in general.

[mozamis]

I can't win, because either way you'll read my vote or lack thereof as scummy.

this might be a scum tell. i have seen this recently from scum "Oh, I'm damne di fi do, I'm damned if i don't". It's a form of Ate i guess. Kinda "Not fair, not fair, you caught me for unfair reasons!".
Very close to voting Zaraki.

[mozamis]

I say stuff like this as town when I feel like I'm being tunneled. Don't think this is AI.

yeah maybe lol
again, this looks town from impede - it's kinda balanced, thinking about the game, seems honest -he's given out another read wihtout being asekd for it.
urge people to unvote impede.
i still think zaraki sounds he is tqalking shit, though.

[mozamis]

VOTE: zaraki

[mozamis]

not relevant, lynch athena

It is relevant, because both of them were reluctant to lynch UV which is why I suspected both of them in the first place. I was wrong about Laser, and i suspect i'm wrong about Cult.
Obviously Cult could still be scum -there are 3 left! - but she's well down my pecking order. It's ridiculous to lynch her before Zaraki or Zulfy.

[mozamis]

Semi prod dodge for now, but from the looks of it, it seems Luca's lynch pool was wrong this time. I need to see what was the cause of it before making any accusations.

Also classes are over (whoop!) and I found my motivation for this game.

Shall we just lynch this.
Sick of this guys lack of effort.
Or Zulfy.
decent chance of one or both of them being scum as well.

[mozamis]

what zaraki, zulfy or Cy? none of those guys have shown ANY interest in finding scum. How can you prefer Imped eover them, when Impede at least shows commitment to the game/scum hunting.

[mozamis]

Oh and I forgot he voted for zulfy and cy yesterday. As I've stated, I'm against the low activity PL.

points in his favour, surely! why are you against the low activity PL? It's NOT just a PL - all of those guys have a decent chance of flipping scum.

[mozamis]

Let's lynch comm or cy,

you still up for Cy?

[mozamis]

This is the most obvious scum wagon I've ever seen. We are lynching the guy that has posted basically nothing? I get policy lynches and all but we can't find a single candidate better then this? Everyone else on Luca's lynch pool is so much better and more of a quality lynch then the guy that gets us nothing.

DEAR FUTURE MOZ THIS IS A TOWN POST, lUCKY IS TOWN!

Dear Past Moz, dont be a dick, maybe Lucky was defending his scum buddy?? This isnt nec a town post.

[mozamis]

ok feel i'm going a bot schizo, tim efo rme to shut the fuck up now.
Certainly Luckys last fe wpposts have worried me a bit.
My town pool is Now Lucca and Sesq

[mozamis]

Zaraki, Zulfy and Lucky?

[mozamis]

I mean, maybe Lucky is so against the low activity "PL" because he didn't want his scum buddy Zulfy lynched?

[mozamis]

yeah impede is town. Thaty whole post is someone telling the truth.
"yeah, i'd do it again" - that ain't coming from scum.

[mozamis]

I'm also fine with a Zaraki lynch today, however.

there is hope!

[mozamis]

I'm getting really confused about moz. He's flip-flopping on my alignment a lot, and just fencing on a lot of things.

I still scumread.

so you are really confused about me but still scum read me?
what the fuck does this even mean?

[mozamis]

If it was solely up to me i'd probably be lynching Zaraki today, but I've lost the will to take control of the lynches now.

dont have to take control, just vote him.

we mustn't lynch impede.
lucky i am not sure about - i kinda liked his responses to me, tbh, they all made sense.
i thought impede vs lucky looked town vs town.

[mozamis]

Votecount 3.21

Lucky2u(3)

~ Impede, CommKnight, Luca Blight

Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez(1)

~ mozamis

Impede(1)

~ Lucky2u


Not Voting (5): Zulfy, cytheflyguy, CultOfAthena, Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez, Sesq

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-13 22:35:00)

SCUM NOT VOTING?- seems likely, they all need to pounce to get the mislynch? so

3 scum in Zulfy, CY, Cult, Zaraki.

I rule out Sesq, who i thought was voting Cult anyway.

[mozamis]

@ MOD - SESQ IS VOTING CULT

[mozamis]

reckon as long as we lynch in Cult, Zaraki, Zulfy or Cyfly we have 75% hitting scum.

[mozamis]

It's a no NK game, so scum must mislynch. So you'd think they could be waiting to see which way the wind blows? Scum have day chat, so you'd think they would be co-ordinating when to wagon someone.

[mozamis]

and i note you finally appear when you are under suspicion again lol

[mozamis]

Gut feeling is Cult, Cy and Zaraki scum team.
Zulfy TOO shambolic for scum??!!

[mozamis]

well thats a big surprose, lucky the biggest lwagon atm and few people been talking about suspecting impede.
cult still pings me, so few reads, so few opinons.

[mozamis]

VOTE: cult of athena

[mozamis]

for example, she agreed with me about Zaraki's hammer being maybe bad. And then doesn't mention him again.
I feel town would have said, "so yeah, maybe zaraki is scum" or "i'm gonna vote for Zaraki".
Feels more like she was just agreeing with me for the sake of making a post.

[mozamis]

cult, zaraki and cy.
Game over.

[mozamis]

VOTE: unvote

worried that i'm locked in conf bias with cult
feel like my reads are garbage this game

[mozamis]

Cult is fine for today.

not sure i like this seems very casual

[mozamis]

moz, stop

1) play nice or replace out.
2) are you coasting scum?
All you have done today is vote park on Cult.

[mozamis]

Sesq: Content is spectacularly awful. Hopped on the UCV wagon without any reasoning, did not contribute otherwise to that lynch whatsoever, and UCV never really questioned his reasoning for being there. Very likely a bus. Hopped onto my wagon without any reasoning why. In fact, he's been townreading me for most of the day. Appears to be laying low and not trying to draw attention to himself. 10% Town at best. Please lynch this slot.

[mozamis]

I mean, i have been in sesq's pocket this whole time?
Laser was also keen for us to lynch Zulfy, which could be a good call.
Both sesq and Zukfy have shown very little inclination to find scum.

[mozamis]

*have I been...

[mozamis]

fuck it, i am town reading Cult. At least she looks like she wants to get scum.

[mozamis]

ok, s whos up for lynching Sesq or Zulfy?

[mozamis]

cult, zaraki and cy.
Game over.

DEAR FUTURE IMPEDE, IF THIS IS CORRECT, PLAY WITH MOZ MORE.

Dear current Impede, it isn't.

another good point that Laserguy made is that Zaraki is new. Which explains his supposedly "dodgy" looking hammer , as i thought. Once you look at Zaraki form the perspective of him being new, his game makes more sense.
I'm liking the Sesq/Zulfy/Cyfly combo atm - none of them have really done any scum hunting.
Sesq's vote park at the beignning of Today i think is a give away. No desire to re-assess reads after a mislynch - which both me and Lucca did. Just a "yeah, lets get back to this". Shows she's not trying to find scum.

[mozamis]

I think I'm just gonna avoid playing with Zulfy again regardless of alignment. Even if he is scum, simply not posting anything is no way to play the game.

I was scum recently with a guy ("Schadd"?) who - in a Large Normal - literally posted only enough to stop being replaced. We won

Zulfy prob is scum though, because even when he does prod dodge, he gives no opinions. Lurky town normally give some game related content.

[mozamis]

I will respond to that shit later when I have time, but it feels like scum desperation to me.

it could be. it's kinda weird for scum to vote for the biggest townread, bu there is a load of WIFOM there, so who knows? I don't really like how he has ignored the rest of the game developments - it seems slightly premeditated "right, I'll make a big effort post about Lucca, and that's it". Maybe lol
I reckon we should Leave Cy for now.
We lynch Zulfy and Sesq. And the last scum is tricky, but by then we should be in a really strong position.

[mozamis]

I'm not even in danger here. There's no reason for me to be desperate.

paranoid, much? lol

[mozamis]

I'll address this and then try to address your post before after my last exam tomorrow afternoon, (it's currently 6 am and I'm running off of insomnia).

then replace out for gods sake.

[mozamis]

this could also be moz

i'm throwing the shade because it deserves to be thrown

anyway reads:

luca and lucky and me town

cy and cult scum

unsure about the rest

this isn't good enough. I played with you in "Jungle republic", remember? When you were snapping at everyone's heels, chucking out reads, changing reads, pushing lynches etc
You have done none of that this game. Your reads have hardly changed all game. You're likely scum.

[mozamis]

Love it if we get a Sesq or Zulfy lynch going.

[mozamis]

Sense there might be more support for a Zulfy lynch, so I'm gonna vote for him. Equally happy with Sesq.
Not happy with a lucky lynch.

VOTE: Zulfy

[mozamis]

Also, since this is a Vanilla game, I don't give a shit about whether we lynch him before he turns up to post. No more scum delaying tactics.
The guy has had all game to post, and all we have got from him is "the dog ate his homework, and I'm really drunk". Unacceptable.

[mozamis]

i dunno about Lucky, i keep waffling on him. But i just feel that he is thinking about the game, and trying to get scum lynched, and he is always giving out reads.

[mozamis]

sure

VOTE: uc voyager

athena is still a scumfuck. cy might be as well.

i mean, this is Sesq Day 1. She hasn't changed her reads AT ALL lol

[mozamis]

Moz, why can't we lynch Lucky today? How can you possibly townread that?

like, how can we justify lynch Lucky when the guy has produced so much more content than Sesq, Zulfy, Zaraki and Cy? Those four have to be the lynch pool, surely?

[mozamis]

All you keep doing is saying "Cult is scum, cult is scum". You never give any reasons, never really push it.
How about the other options, like Zaraki, Zulfy, Cyfly? Saying "unsure about everyone else" isn't good enough for a player of your calibre.

[mozamis]

If I was mod I'd have probably force-replaced him for the combination of lack of activity plus lack of game related content when he does post.

he's prob scum that's why the mod isnt replacing him. it's an acceptable scum tactiv to lurch.
this is not a policy lynch. guy is scum.

[mozamis]

so cult and impede are both defintely town.

[mozamis]

This is basically in order. 2 main points:

1) Sesq I am waffling on. On the one hand, she is tunnelling Cult. On the other, she is hardly blending in. Does scum Sesq really stand around shouting for someone else to be lynched?

2) I compeltely forgot about COMMkinght when making this list. Has he blended in to the background?

MOZ, LUCA, IMPEDE, CULT = TOWN

LUCKY PROB TOWN

SCUM IN:
SESQ, CYFLY, COMM, ZARAKI, ZULFY.

[mozamis]

And Zaraki.

Pretty sure the scum team is zaraki and Comm. Both useless, both bland as hell.
Havent caught up but saw Lucky mentioned as a lynch, think thats a mistake.

[mozamis]

So long as it isn't one of my townreads

refresh my memory?

[mozamis]

that quick hammer was a mistake on my part, I didn't realize it had only been 20 minutes, I was taking a shower and doing homework between the 2 posts.)

busy 20 mins for you then lol

[mozamis]

complete nonsense lol

[mozamis]

I really want to townread Sesq... I'm just running out of reasons to.

I'm going back to town reading her. The problem with Sesq is she deliberately wants to annoy people. So it is very easy - as i did - to get pissed off with her and basically OMGUS her. She definitely needs to be nicer, but she's a teenage girl, so good luck waiting for that to happen...
I digress. She's prob town. Dont get me wrong, she's not in my townbloc, because she is a good player and capable of faking it. But she should be well behind Comm, Zaraki and Cy i reckon.
At least she does push her scumread - unlike Comm and Zaraki, who haven't done anything to get anyone lynched all game. (Comm popping up to vote for a fait accompli, with a reasoning of " yeah, whatever" does not count).

[mozamis]

By my count, we now have 4 mislynches available to us with an additional one if we lynch scum (which highly likely we will).

hey more theory talk from Comm! Cool story bro

[mozamis]

you can be floppy sometimes.

*puts on Moz: Greatest Hits*
Track One: Moz Changes Mind In Every Single Town Game And Normally Gets Quite A Lot of Scum.

[mozamis]

It looks like today seems to be between Lucky and Sesq. I can clearly see what people are saying about Sesq, and I know why I have FoS on him (748), but what was the main argument against Lucky again?

What are your opinions? I mean, it's anothe r infor without analysis post from you.
Damn it htought i had th e scum team but Cy pushes his way back in.

[mozamis]

The way both zaraki and lucky are being banded around without much objection is worrying.
Lucky is town. And zraki...maybe he's lynch bait.
Sesq is really worrying. She still isnt the player i played with before, some real wishy washy stuff about "sell m eon lucky amd zaraki" - what happened to her Cult scum read?

I'm probably most up for up Cyfly and Sesq now.
@ Luca - you'r estill my strongest townread, how do you feel abotu Sesq lynch?

[mozamis]

no fuck sesq is town

[mozamis]

VOTE: cyfly

[mozamis]

fuck it, i'm probably just over thinking it. I'm up for Zarki as well.

[mozamis]

@ MOD - prob. doesnt matter now, but for the record I was voting for Cyfly at last VC

[mozamis]

and good work people! I was way off on that one. I thought Lucky played well he had me fooled.

[mozamis]

Moz is like I TR LUCKY GUYZ, DON'T LYNCH HIM!

Yeah, Moz can kiss my ass.

Yes, I got that wrong. I got UV and Zulfy right though, so I'm not doing too badly
If you are town, let's keep it civil- we need to stick together.

[mozamis]

Scum is probably either Zaraki or cy, but possibly Sesq.

Which way are we going?

totally agree, but can we take this a bit slow - I'm going to bed and i dont want a rush lynched.
In case people ignore me as usual i'd go for zaraki.

[mozamis]

VOTE: Sesq - Reluctant on every single wagon so far that was scum.

Zraki and Cy didnt even vote at last VC.

[mozamis]

To be honest, I'm just going through the motions now - as long as you're not within the group I'm reading as Town then you can be lynched. Simple as that.

think zaraki is a better option though.

[mozamis]

well, i guess it's my turn for sheeping.
I'd rather go zaraki, but if the mob holler for Sesq - mainly 'cos she's pissed them all off and thus is reaping what she has sown - then i won't shed any tears.

[mozamis]

VOTE: zaraki

[mozamis]

a cautionary tale
This was a really good game. One for the purists, and on ethat made me really paranoid/
Scum busse dhard first coupl eof days, got the town cred, became leader and won. I sheeped the game, like everyone else. Until LYLO but by then he had built up too much cred...

All my way of saying: lets stay paranoid as fuck lol

[mozamis]

i hear you. but ultimatley i think zaraki is scum, so no point in just mislynching for the point of it. If we think we can win now, we need to do it, no point in dicking around.
obviously i'm not gonna be obstructive. If cult prefers sesq, i'll do that.

[mozamis]

hold up people been 2 flips since i last posted. SLOW DOWN. We're in trouble.

[mozamis]

VOTE: Moz

I'm headscratching if this flips green.

Jesus man, slow down. I'v eput so much effort into this game - sure i havent posted for 1 day -wow lol - but my reads have been ok this game, and i normally get there in the end, so just chill for a bit.

My strongest town read is now Comm, followed by you.
Lucca worries now,. The way he really wanted Sesq dead, and then in the end was "oh, ok then zaraki, fine worried me.
Maybe be paranoid. But its noticable how he has progressively quiter all game. Good scum sonetimes do that - see that game i linked, and i remember another one. They get a strong amount of towncred early on and then kinda coast by/blend in.
Or it could be cyfly lurlking his way to victory.
We need to think abou this, we are now ina very precarious position.

[mozamis]

cult, comm and impede are v likely town.
so its a choic ebetween lucca and cy.
Guts telling me its Lucca and we're being offered Cy as more lynchbait.

[mozamis]

We MUST hear from Cy before we lynch.

[mozamis]

It's actually a pretty good move, because all i have to go on here is the paranoia that scum are smart enough to figure such a strategy out and efficiently push it. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if 1-2 scum actually is in Luca's list solely so he gets town cred for it. In this nightless game he really needs town cred to win. Because every kill requires a majority of town to lynch every single person, so if there were say... 3 hard-town in a block, they'd need to now mislynch everyone else without ever losing a person or they get fucked. But if they were to have 1-2 in that hard-town block, now they can lynch freely and throw suspicion outside of it to bring themselves to a LYLO position.

It's just a theory... but I think it's a possible scenario that should not be overlooked the entire game if it seems we're constantly mislynching people, look at those pushing the mislynches.

did comm get it right early on??

[mozamis]

jesus, easy Lucca. STOP throwing out votes.
we need to be careful.

[mozamis]

He is the one who wanted a Zaraki lynch over a Sesq one, and then he says I'm scummy for lynching Zaraki over Sesq?

I thought Zaraki was scum. You didnt seem very convinced, and were very keen on a Sesq lynch. But then the Sesq wagon stalled and it just seemed the way you switch wagons was a bit opportunistic. Like "Shit, Moz aint gonna vote Sesq, lets get this Zaraki mislynch through while i can".
Not saying you are defintely scum. Cy is still a possibilty.
But you are a suspect now.