2017 NFL Football

Nero Cain · Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:55 am

I'm a bit confused. Knew the cowboys were not going to be great without zeke but this bad?

Killthestory · Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:01 pm

zeke isnt that good either

Iprobablysuck · Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:09 pm

In post 1226, Killthestory wrote:zeke isnt that good either

Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard

PJ. · Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:12 pm

In post 1227, Iprobablysuck wrote:
In post 1226, Killthestory wrote:zeke isnt that good either
Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard

Killthestory · Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:34 pm

SleepyKrew · Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:41 pm

In post 1225, Nero Cain wrote:I'm a bit confused. Knew the cowboys were not going to be great without zeke but this bad?

tyron smith and sean lee injuries are more important than zeke's suspension imo
(I think smith played in the thanksgiving game though?)

Killthestory · Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:47 pm

yeah zekes suspension isnt that important because you can put any decent running back behind that offensive line and gain yardage. other injuries are important, but cowboys have been inconsistent and not very good this season in general.

Nero Cain · Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:19 pm

In theory, Sean Lee's injury shouldn't hurt the offense. I guess you can argue that Dallas has to score loads of points without him. Smith hurts but he was out like 1 game I think. I don't think the injuries are really whats 'causing it or zekes suspension.

Killthestory · Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:45 pm

i also personally believe dak's never been that good either, and the team was overhyped since the beginning. the o line is amazing tho and the defense imo is decent enough.

PJ. · Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:41 pm

Is jacoby brissett a starting caliber QB?

pickemgenius · Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:56 pm

In post 1234, PJ. wrote:Is jacoby brissett a starting caliber QB?

right now yeah. probably can get better as well.

probably never gonna be a super stud, but he can definitely be serviceable and above average enough to be counted on i'd guess.

PJ. · Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:57 pm

oh, weekly reminder that Deshone Kizer didn't suck!

ISO · Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:05 pm

How can you really know the actual talent of a QB when he plays for the Browns? Kizer could be down right league average on another team...

pickemgenius · Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:11 pm

oh shit sub 60% and 0-0 against the bengals.

what a god.

holy shit he had a rushing touchdown and a fumble that wasnt lost as well.

ok so i just watched highlights and holy fuck he had like 1 good throw from the ones shown, and if the defender wasnt stumbling he possibly defends that pass. the backfoot throw to coleman was ok but that was infinitely more corey coleman being pretty good and kizer just chucking it up.

smh.

pickemgenius · Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:11 pm

In post 1237, T-Bone wrote:How can you really know the actual talent of a QB when he plays for the Browns? Kizer could be down right league average on another team...

he was fucking awful in college.

Killthestory · Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:20 pm

garoppolo started 3 plays and looked really good

TwoInAMillion · Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:58 pm

Luke Joeckel is a major upgrade for the Seahawks offensive line.

ISO · Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:30 am

In post 1224, PJ. wrote:
In post 1221, T-Bone wrote:Most quarterbacks need talent around them to be successful. It doesn't make them bad quarterbacks it makes them...like every other football player because this is a team sport. Rodgers, Wilson, and Brady are the exceptions, not what we should expect.
FTFY

Thestatusquo wrote:dak hasn't even been bad this year? he's just been not exceptional.
Last 3 games have been p bad.

Sure but anyone can have bad games. The reason the cowboys have been meh has not been Dak.

ISO · Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:33 am

In post 1231, Killthestory wrote:yeah zekes suspension isnt that important because you can put any decent running back behind that offensive line and gain yardage. other injuries are important, but cowboys have been inconsistent and not very good this season in general.

Yeah, because that's exactly what they've done this ye...oh wait.

ISO · Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:38 am

In post 1233, Killthestory wrote:i also personally believe dak's never been that good either, and the team was overhyped since the beginning. the o line is amazing tho and the defense imo is decent enough.

According to approximate value he was the 7th best qb in the league last year (approximate value takes into account the quality of a teams O line and other offensive weapons in its calculation, so it takes into account how good the dallas oline was last year) 3rd best QB by QB rating. The 6th best QB by QBR. The 4th and 3rd best QB by yards/attempt and adjusted yards/attempt respectively.

Frankly, what the fresh fuck are you smoking and can I have some?

shaft.ed · Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:26 am

isn't this also due to game planning? once teams get a year of tape and off season, they can figure out better ways to neutralize players. And it seems Dak last year hasn't really changed from Dak this year. Conversely Goff is in a new offense that has nothing to do with Jeff Fischer, and pretty much every offensive weapon in Philly changed over for Wentz, so strategies likely don't carry over as well. Also Rams and Iggles defense are ridiculous this season. Dallas hasn't been able to recover from losing Lee

ISO · Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:31 am

He also HAS NOT BEEN THAT BAD this year. Like, he's had a rough stretch the last few weeks but hes been a totally reasonable middle of the pack QB this year. People love to blame the QB when a team is losing, and sometimes its correct, but the reason the cowboys haven't been great has not been dak.

shaft.ed · Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:36 am

I'm just saying, the Eagles totally neutralized his play action pass

Nero Cain · Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:51 am

In post 1246, Thestatusquo wrote:but the reason the cowboys haven't been great has not been dak.

I both agree and disagree. I agree that he was perfectly fine in his first 8 games (though he had one stinker) In the last 3 games he's played poorly and that's on him. I don't really know whats wrong. I don't think it's o-line or the loss of Sean Lee.

Killthestory · Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:08 am

In post 1244, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 1233, Killthestory wrote:i also personally believe dak's never been that good either, and the team was overhyped since the beginning. the o line is amazing tho and the defense imo is decent enough.
According to approximate value he was the 7th best qb in the league last year (approximate value takes into account the quality of a teams O line and other offensive weapons in its calculation, so it takes into account how good the dallas oline was last year) 3rd best QB by QB rating. The 6th best QB by QBR. The 4th and 3rd best QB by yards/attempt and adjusted yards/attempt respectively.

Frankly, what the fresh fuck are you smoking and can I have some?

last year he had one of the best o lines and a lot of hype surrounding him. he still played decent considering that, and he was an above average qb. however, even in his highlights, his form is bad. he doesn't fully extend his throwing arm like some greats do, doesnt really get away from sacks or tackles with ease like other great quarterbacks, wilson for example, and with pressure coming towards him at times he'll make a side sling that is really bad form.

you can show me all the stats in the world from last season because as it stands, with dak having to lead the franchise at a difficult time with pressure on him, he's failing. until he actually props the franchise onto his shoulder and gets those stats not just when everything goes his way will he be a good quarterback in my eyes. he reminds me of a younger alex smith where it's very easy to throw off his game, but if things are right or the day is just good, he's a big offensive weapon. however, the inconsistency isn't good, and that's why alex smith is only an average quarterback, too regardless of stats.