Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Thor665]

What's your counter argument exactly - he's town faking/mistaking about his meta awareness?
Yeah, that's possible - but you should assess it to see if it's true.
I've absolutely caught scum lying about meta before, it's a thing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don’t think you know for sure.

He could’ve talked to people who’ve played with you the most on here. He could have studied your previous games.

He could be misinformed. He could also not just have a good understanding of your play style. None of that makes him scummy

[Thor665]

I don’t think you know for sure.

He could’ve talked to people who’ve played with you the most on here. He could have studied your previous games.

He could be misinformed. He could also not just have a good understanding of your play style. None of that makes him scummy

Yes - and if he's lying it does make him scummy.
So why shouldn't I investigate to figure out which is which exactly?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’m saying you’re just jumping to conclusions that he’s blatantly lying.

He hasn’t presented why he feels that way or how he perceives your play. I also don’t think he’s using it as the basis for his push.

[Thor665]

What conclusion other than "ypu don't know my meta and I'd like you to explain why you think you do" have I advanced exactly?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

There’s no way to prove he’s lying though in this scenario.

[Thor665]

He hasn’t presented why he feels that way or how he perceives your play. I also don’t think he’s using it as the basis for his push.

He's absolutely using it as the basis for his push.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You can’t make that claim without any evidence being stated from him.

[Thor665]

There’s no way to prove he’s lying though in this scenario.

There are very few scumtells that are absolute, I agree.
But I can get more info in order to make an assessment.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

He could know for all you know.

[Thor665]

You can’t make that claim without any evidence being stated from him.

Why do you think he said it then?

[Thor665]

He could know for all you know.

He could not know for all you know.
What are you arguing here even?
As I said - what conclusions did I advance that are bothering you?

[Thor665]

Because you're citing me for "anger" and complaining about "conclusions"
And I'm not angry, nor am I advancing conclusions.
I'm asking questions.

[Transcend]

thing is, if we did lynch mafia, the groups would rearrange

I trust my B reads pretty hard

[Ramcius]

Ok, i will provide scenario:

We vote group B and we ML
Then scum kill town
B group consists of 2 mafia and 1 town, scum wincon is to kill all town

Question for @LUV @trans @Checker - "How mafia kill last town to win?"

If we don't choose group in DPI or we choose B, which is ridiculous. So what i'm missing?

P-edit: Trans, we must lynch both mafia to rearrange groups

[Thor665]

Like, if I claimed I had perfect meta awareness of you, a player whom I think we've had 3 or so games together - wouldn't you like me to justify that claim a bit?
Or would you just shrug and go 'guess Thor *might* have awareness, let's move on."

Because if you'd do the latter - I have total awareness of Creature's playstyle - and this is a potential scumtell from him and I need to investigate it

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think he said it because he genuinely believes he has an understanding of how you play as town and feel this isn’t it. There’s nothing wrong about that. Now solely pushing you because of that is and I don’t think that’s mainly why he thinks you’re scum. If it is, I would need him to show some work.

[Transcend]

Nvm

Both mafia have to be lynched

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You just said you know he’s lying. That is jumping to conclusions.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Those type of rage quits come from town more than scum, Doggo.

It’s classic town feels like they’re surrounded by idiots and unheard replace out.

[Thor665]

I think he said it because he genuinely believes he has an understanding of how you play as town and feel this isn’t it. There’s nothing wrong about that. Now solely pushing you because of that is and I don’t think that’s mainly why he thinks you’re scum. If it is, I would need him to show some work.

So, basically you think he's genuine and think he's got a different case on me that he hasn't presented - and so it bothers you that I'm questioning him on these points?

That makes no sense to me.
Why not just let me question him?

You just said you know he’s lying. That is jumping to conclusions.

Whether or not he's genuine has no bearing on whether or not something is factual.
I *know* he doesn't know my meta - unless I personally have no awareness of my meta.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My beef Thor is that you think Creature is lying when their is no reason to believe so currently and there isn’t any motivation to do so here. No one is going to solely lynch someone of off meta alone and if you believe yourself to be the towniest of Group B by far, why would anyone else be worth saving from a scum POV?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My beef Thor is that you think Creature is lying when their is no reason to believe so currently and there isn’t any motivation to do so here. No one is going to solely lynch someone of off meta alone and if you believe yourself to be the towniest of Group B by far, why would anyone else be worth saving from a scum POV?

[Thor665]

My beef Thor is that you think Creature is lying when their is no reason to believe so currently and there isn’t any motivation to do so here. No one is going to solely lynch someone of off meta alone

and if you believe yourself to be the towniest of Group B by far, why would anyone else be worth saving from a scum POV?

And my approach was to ask him to back up what he says he knows...so...what's the issue with that?

I don't understand the bolded.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You literally can’t know though. It’s either misinformed or a misunderstanding. How can you not see that?