Open 702: Vanilla Nightless Game Over

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Luca Blight

So... We meet again

[mozamis]

if everyone who is town could be really town, that would be great since no Nk's means we can make it hard for scum.
yes, i've read the wiki lol

[Impede]

so rvs i sover, happy to get a wagon going on archwing

How is RVS over?
Why Arch in particular?

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

so rvs i sover, happy to get a wagon going on archwing

How is RVS over?
Why Arch in particular?

In their post they mention that his RVS would put me at L-3, which according to them is "Irresponsible and scummy".

[MathBlade]

Votecount 1.2

Archwing(4)

~ Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez, mozamis, Sesq, Luca Blight

Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez(2)

~ CultOfAthena, LaserGuy

mozamis(2)

~ Impede, Archwing

Sesq(1)

~ CommKnight

Luca Blight(1)

~ Lucky2u


Not Voting (2): cytheflyguy, lucca261

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-02 21:30:00)

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[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

Woah, now Archwing is at L-3. I only voted him due to RVS.

Unvote: Archwing

[CommKnight]

Archwing(4)

~ Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez, mozamis, Sesq, Luca Blight

Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez(2)

~ CultOfAthena, LaserGuy

Time to get a bit real here already. 2 scum are in this group of 6. Possibly 3 scum. But 2 for sure.

Check. Your turn scum.

[Lucky2u]

Why would you include the 2 players on the ZJ wagon?

[CommKnight]

Why not? Could be one of the two on there as well. This is early game, need to keep it open to not let scum slip through on multiple wagons.

[Lucky2u]

... that just makes it seem like you picked any of the names without pattern and said scum are in there. It makes it look super lazy since there is another wagon at 2 as well so you just picked the top 2 wagons in the VC, by position in format not by vote count amount.

FoS Commknight.

[cytheflyguy]

Archwing(4)

~ Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez, mozamis, Sesq, Luca Blight

Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez(2)

~ CultOfAthena, LaserGuy

Time to get a bit real here already. 2 scum are in this group of 6. Possibly 3 scum. But 2 for sure.

Check. Your turn scum.

VOTE: CommKnight

Sorry, but this rubs me the wrong way.

[CommKnight]

Do you have any counter reasons to my logic? It's only page 2 and I am making early reads to help my own process with it. I could keep it to myself or I can make it public. Fine by me either way really.

[cytheflyguy]

Do you have any counter reasons to my logic? It's only page 2 and I am making early reads to help my own process with it. I could keep it to myself or I can make it public. Fine by me either way really.

I can't counter what's not there. It's not what you said but the lack thereof. This game is a group effort. If you make a statement like that, please share with the rest of the class your reasoning. Otherwise, it looks like random fishing for a reaction.

[CommKnight]

So if I were fishing for a reaction, how do you think you'd fare in that department?

Also am I wrong? Can you prove it?

[cytheflyguy]

So if I were fishing for a reaction, how do you think you'd fare in that department?

Also am I wrong? Can you prove it?

I fully realize I'm taking the bait, but I'm not one of the people you targeted so that holds no water, sadly.

And that's the thing. I cannot prove or disprove you being right or wrong. I'm simply pretty sure you just took a wild guess and now that someone is asking for reasoning you're trying to back yourself into a corner.

Your argument is a logical fallacy. Specifically Ad Ignorantum, where you are acting as if something is true simply because it has not been proven to be false. Of course I can't prove you to be wrong, regardless of role. Because of that, you would probably say something along the lines of "Well if it can't be proven false, then it must be true", when, in fact, that's not how logical arguments work, I'm afraid.

All I'm asking for is reasons, my dude. You looked suspicious for what you did and I asked for proof to back it up.

[LaserGuy]

So if I were fishing for a reaction, how do you think you'd fare in that department?

Also am I wrong? Can you prove it?

I fully realize I'm taking the bait, but I'm not one of the people you targeted so that holds no water, sadly.

And that's the thing. I cannot prove or disprove you being right or wrong. I'm simply pretty sure you just took a wild guess and now that someone is asking for reasoning you're trying to back yourself into a corner.

Your argument is a logical fallacy. Specifically Ad Ignorantum, where you are acting as if something is true simply because it has not been proven to be false. Of course I can't prove you to be wrong, regardless of role. Because of that, you would probably say something along the lines of "Well if it can't be proven false, then it must be true", when, in fact, that's not how logical arguments work, I'm afraid.

All I'm asking for is reasons, my dude. You looked suspicious for what you did and I asked for proof to back it up.

cytheflyguy is Town.

[Impede]

cytheflyguy is Town.

Second.

Comm, I'd also like to see some rationale for your wagon analysis. Seemed kind of off. I would consider it a possibility if you said there's at least one scum in Arch's wagon, but that's not super helpful to begin with.

[Impede]

... that just makes it seem like you picked any of the names without pattern and said scum are in there. It makes it look super lazy since there is another wagon at 2 as well so you just picked the top 2 wagons in the VC, by position in format not by vote count amount.

FoS Commknight.

Leaning town on this too.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

I must agree with the assessment cythefly is town.

On the other hand, wherever do you(Commknight) get the logic that of Arch and my wagons, there must be scum? What about mozamis's or sesq's wagons? Or what about lucca261? Any of these voters (or lack thereof) could be scum. Are you suggesting that the current top 2 wagons have scum? Because that's what it looks like.

If we're looking at wagons, I would also like to mention the wagonee. Yes, I realize I'm including myself, but that's because I'm on the list of your wagon. Notice how you never mention archwing. Is he possible scum, or are you suggesting he must be innocent as he has such a large voting popularity?

If we were trying to look at wagons, then we need to look at all of them, as well as the players not voting. You should've looked at each and every wagon, and try to figure out the motives for each vote or non-vote, and see if that motive seems scummy. As it stands, your tunnel vision looks far more scummy than if you waited to do a read. I mean, for God's sake, it's post 31. Yes, I realize you could have some reads, but from what? We were barely out of RVS. (I digress about the first statement, as most motives were RVS)

Your assessment just seems... fluffy. I'd like to see more of your motives for such an early read and why you scumread specifically those two wagons.

FoS for now on Comm.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

Umm... I just realized my post seems a bit circular. Tl;Dr Why scum on only 2 wagons?

[Archwing]

As it stands, your tunnel vision looks far more scummy than if you waited to do a read. I mean, for God's sake, it's post 31. Yes, I realize you could have some reads, but from what? We were barely out of RVS. (I digress about the first statement, as most motives were RVS)

This right here. This is why Comm is scumalicious.
non-RVS vote coming right up.
VOTE: Commknight
Runner up to Mozamis.

[CommKnight]

you're trying to back yourself into a corner.

Did you even proofread your post before saying this?

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

you're trying to back yourself into a corner.

Did you even proofread your post before saying this?

Can you answer the question? You've been asked for a response, and all we get is more fluff. I'm not going to vote you yet, but I'm dangerously close.

Answer the question or I will vote you. (And I don't like voting without insufficient proof.)

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

with insufficient* Dang me and my stupid typos.

[CultOfAthena]

I'm not a fan of the cy townreads at all. It doesn't take a townie to point out logical fallacies. Trying to turn a game of mafia into debate club is actually a scumread for me - scum's knowledge of the game won't affect their posting at all if all they're doing is arguing logic or theory.

Impede, zaraki, LG, mind explaining what makes cy town in your eyes?