Open 702: Vanilla Nightless Game Over

[Sesq]

but did you fix your heart

[Lucky2u]

as i said, im done with lucky because he is too terrible at this game to warrant my time.

as for ucv wagon... i can see where it's coming from? but he feels somewhat honest. ill have to see more

Oh no... whatever will I do without your insightful...

Spoiler:

This is so stupid, that all I can say is what

this is too egregious to continue.

the worst post in all of mafia

fucking done with you.

...commentary on my gameplay?

Please... comeback...

this is not that good

Im hoping your joking with the gif because you are telling someone to stop trying to read you. there is a difference between reading and commenting on your gameplay

why do you think he is commenting on your gameplay?
he is saying why your posts are not town motivated

cutting the image from the quote, hope no willy wonka fans mind.

No UCV, I am not really telling her to try and stop reading me. She's made up her mind about me, whatever. I'm just not generally nice to players who use that toxic garbage flavor in their posts. Everyone is the worst, everyone is terrible, everyone is so bad they have to laugh at them and if they make a mistake and mislynch someone its because that player wasn't playing town well enough so they are responsible for their own mislynch. The only player I've ever accepted that toxic playstyle from is RC. Atleast when he does it there is a cute anime avatar to look at.

[Luca Blight]

Note for reference that Cy, having been widely townread early on, has done nothing since.

[Sesq]

dont care what you think. play better

VOTE: impede

[cytheflyguy]

Note for reference that Cy, having been widely townread early on, has done nothing since.

Fair

I'll be honest, I'm not too confident in my reads as of late so I wanted to wait things out for a bit.

However, I might as well post some reads just to be relevant again.

Town

Luca Blight
Impede
Laserguy
CultofAthena-Town/Null

Null

UC
Zulfy
Sesq

Scum

Lucky2u-Honestly putting him here
CommKnight
mozamis

I feel like a sheep since this is popular consensus. I work better when there's something I want to contradict.

[cytheflyguy]

Note for reference that Cy, having been widely townread early on, has done nothing since.

Fair

I'll be honest, I'm not too confident in my reads as of late so I wanted to wait things out for a bit.

However, I might as well post some reads just to be relevant again.

Town

Luca Blight
Impede
Laserguy
CultofAthena-Town/Null

Null

UC
Zulfy
Sesq

Scum

Lucky2u-Honestly putting him here
CommKnight
mozamis

I feel like a sheep since this is popular consensus. I work better when there's something I want to contradict.

Oh shit typo with Lucky. I had comments on half of the people but then felt that my reasoning was too weak and tried to delete them. Obviously, I didn't do well enough :T

[Impede]

{Luca, Cult, Sesq}
{cy, UC}
{Zaraki, Impede, Laser}
{Lucky, moza, Zulfy}

Getting a better feel of people now and moza and Lucky are definitely on the bottom right now. Luca, Cult and Sesq are off the table for today (though Sesq is definitely being looked at more in future days), Cy and UC are more town leans and the rest are more meh. Zulfy is more of an educated gut feel.

People should vote Lucky.

Comm, why do you townlean Cy and scum lean Moza?

[Impede]

Cy, what makes you think CoA is towny?

[Impede]

dont care what you think. play better

VOTE: impede

Are you my dad?

[Sesq]

im sick of all these people saying absolutely nothing.

[cytheflyguy]

Cy, what makes you think CoA is towny?

Because of posts like this:

TT | Ts
--------
Ts | ss
-snip-

This is a fallacious or at best meaningless application of statistics, as bad as saying "he can't be scum, he rolled scum the last two games!". I'm not sure whether you belive it yourself or not but I'm inclined to think so. I'm not entirely sure what that says about your alignment, if anything at all.

he's gamesolving, argumentative, transparent and not doging the issue.
comm is town.

That's his personality you're seeing, not necessarily his alignment. Just because people were scumreading Comm for bad reasons doesn't mean townreading him for similarly bad reasons is a good idea either.

zaraki is prob town as well, very gamesolvy and arguing the toss and being emotional

Are you calling 90 gamesolving?

@cy
Why did you vote Comm in 35?

nevr mind the questions, what are your reads, opinions, analysis?

LAMIST.

MOD NOTES

UC Voyager replaces lucca261. Please thank and welcome UC Voyager!.

*sigh*

Because the reasoning in cy's response is only true if he is Town. Scum!cy obviously knows whether or not scum would be on the wagon and could easily prove it if he really wanted to.

What? Elaborate on this - cy's 39 seems entirely separated from his alignment.

The only way that cy cannot prove this to be true is if he is Town. Scum can easily prove this, they just wouldn't want to. The phrasing suggests that cy did not consider this.

No scum player with two brain cells to smash together would consider it either - it's such a far fetched idea that I don't think it's worth basing your read around.

Post #90 from Zaraki is a hot mess. There's a lot that's weird here... like he says he townread cy between 39 and 50 when he posted that read on #43. Gives cy credit both for my reasoning (dumb tell), but also having a well-composed post which... isn't really something that is hard to fake. Big probability argument that doesn't prove anything. This all looks like bs to me, and this seems like a really excessive explanation to his initial read in #43. I don't believe for a second this was his reasoning at the time he posted his townread of cy. Leaning scum on him, and if Zaraki is scum, would not be surprised if one of cy or Comm turns up scum as well.

I like this.

Sesq looking good. Lucky looking scummy, Luca too. (Did we seriously have a Lucca, Luca and Lucky? Can we lynch of these characters on general principle?)

Interested to hear the reasoning on your Luca read - it's opposite to the seeming consensus.

@laserguy lets not policy lynch, plus lucca replaced out, so there is just a Luca and Lucky

Where did you get the idea of a policy lynch from Laser's 167?

giving lucky a town pass for sheer effort.
he copuld be very good scum, but hes not a day 1 lynch

...what? Thanks for town reading me, but this is absolutely the wrong reason to.

I'm pretty sure I like this - it's not often that I see scum questioning townreads on them.

I like the bit about scum trying to get on a townblock. The only problem with it is that there are two "blocks" forming in this game right now that are buddying each other pretty heavily, and the way I see it, you could have scum in either or both.

That's true. The important part to look at is how each person joined (or attempted to join) the townblock - through interactions or through sheeping the general consensus.

Nyegh. After looking at 90, it is a hot mess. I think I fucked up along the lines. (won't lie, I'm not the greatest with percentages so I had an easier time with cy's 4 posts). I was honestly trying to go for an objective analysis, but I guess I fell into the confirmation bias anyways.

Although I feel I townread too early, as he hardly posts. Then again, still a town lean.

I feel Sesq and Luka are def town. As for the other reads? I haven't got my thoughts organized yet. Maybe Impede too? He seems to be getting townier and townier.

Don't try to play mafia like a game of sudoku. I know it feels better to base things off of objectivity but this is a subjective game - put your reads out there, focus on your personal opinions and try to analyze the opinions of others.

I find it very strange how you kept rather silent until this case formed on you, and you started to post again. It makes little to no since.

Does it really not make sense? Think about it.

Oh hell RVS is over. Need to remove this.
UNVOTE:

It always seems bad to me when people do this, but I'm not sure if it's a scumtell or not.

@Laser:

why do I look scummy?

In this type of game, I feel it is very likely there is going to be a lot of SvS infighting early on. You and Lucky's interaction has this vibe to me... you start with a discussion about Comm's intentions, but very quickly Comm is sidelined out of the discussion without any really input from him and you proceed to tunnel each other for the next six pages. The fact that Comm actually commented on your discussion at #100 and neither of you either asked him a question or wanted him to weigh in seems to suggest that neither of you are really interested in Comm at all. This is particularly unsettling since as of #172 don't actually think Lucky is scum, in which case it's not clear to me why you've spent so much energy on this. I'm leaning SvS on this whole interaction.

Good analysis, with the caveat that I think at some point Luca and Lucky's interaction stopped being about Comm and start being about theory or the validity of reads.

MOD NOTES

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*sigh*

?

Don't worry about it.

So many of their posts seem the same as Luca, who I see as the most town -- prodding without seeming defensive. I respect the style and I see town motivation.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

I feel a little redundant, but I'm going to retract my townlean on Cy.

At the time, he seemed pretty townish but now?

Looking back, he kinda looks like scum who wanted a quick townread, posted a bit to seem townish, and then vanished off the face of the earth to be comfortably lurking.

Let me put it this way: in 90 the math said it was 75%. I failed to mention that this is due to the sparseness of his posts. Since there was less posted, there was less to judge him off. This of course, is convenient to seem townish, but a real towny would probably follow up and continue to try to gamesolve. (none of which he really does, fallacies are fallacies) It is far more convenient for scum to post little, and seem townish as possible, than post a lot and have more revealing information on their thoughts/play.

Slightly starting to scumlean Cy, but mostly null.

Oh and Sesq, do you need to be so damn toxic?

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

[Impede]

Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

Who is the townie in this scenario?

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

Who is the townie in this scenario?

I dislike the vote Sesq put on you. I get that good play is important, but vote somebody for it? That's policy lynching imo.

[Impede]

How do you know that I'm Town? No one thus far has really townread me with any confidence.

[UC Voyager]

Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

I honestly agree. Policy Lynching will be used to the advantage of scum. we should not let scum get the advantage

[UC Voyager]

How do you know that I'm Town? No one thus far has really townread me with any confidence.

he didn't say he knew btw

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

Does anybody truly know who is town? There is always a chance you are town, and lynching on policy can hit town or scum. That helps scum, not town, especially when said policy lyncher is scum (not implying a lean). It just doesn't make sense to me to lynch based off of a policy rather than evidence.

[CultOfAthena]

wow athena, that's a lot of nothing you've said.

That's certainly one way to interpret it. An incorrect interpretation, mind you, but an interpretation nonetheless.

Note for reference that Cy, having been widely townread early on, has done nothing since.

But is this from a lack of real content in his posts or a lack of activity? I think there's a distinction you're missing there.

I feel a little redundant, but I'm going to retract my townlean on Cy.

At the time, he seemed pretty townish but now?

Looking back, he kinda looks like scum who wanted a quick townread, posted a bit to seem townish, and then vanished off the face of the earth to be comfortably lurking.

Let me put it this way: in 90 the math said it was 75%. I failed to mention that this is due to the sparseness of his posts. Since there was less posted, there was less to judge him off. This of course, is convenient to seem townish, but a real towny would probably follow up and continue to try to gamesolve. (none of which he really does, fallacies are fallacies) It is far more convenient for scum to post little, and seem townish as possible, than post a lot and have more revealing information on their thoughts/play.

Slightly starting to scumlean Cy, but mostly null.

Was cy really scum who wanted a quick townread or was he just someone who people (probably scum)

were

quick to point to as town? Nothing I've seen from cy has seemed like he's deliberately seraching to be townread. You're also basing your read here off of a lack of gamesolving which itself is a function of activity - unless you're going to make the argument that cy's activity level has been alignment indicative then I don't think this point holds up.


I've seen some questioning of townreads on me which implies that either the people asking those questions disagree or are having trouble forming their own reads on me. @Those people, what're your takes on me?


By the way, none of the questions I've asked have been rhetorical, @UCV mainly.

[CultOfAthena]

Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

Where are you getting this idea from? What is this in response to?

Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

I honestly agree. Policy Lynching will be used to the advantage of scum. we should not let scum get the advantage

Guys, we should lynch the mafia and not the townies, because that will benefit town. Am I townread yet?

[UC Voyager]

Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

Where are you getting this idea from? What is this in response to?

Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

I honestly agree. Policy Lynching will be used to the advantage of scum. we should not let scum get the advantage

Guys, we should lynch the mafia and not the townies, because that will benefit town. Am I townread yet?

i don't even know where the fuck you are going with this. i am so confused by it lol.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

@CultOfAthena

Well, like I stated before, he presented a nice summed up paragraph on one of the 4. He makes a sorta townish play then vanishes. I get that life is busy, but most people can still get in a post or two. Besides, there is not much of a point in lurking unless A) You don't really have anything to contribute, which doesn't make sense considering the last time he posted was around 100 (to my memory) and it was short. B) This is vanilla and nightless. You don't need to lurk to try to avoid nightkill and get the investigative results safely. There is no power role that has to be wary and nervous about lynching/nk and thus lurks.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

Where are you getting this idea from? What is this in response to?

Response to 253, a very lackluster vote.

[Sesq]

Also, poliy lynching for not playing to your ideal of good town play is no good. Scum need lynching, not townies.

Who is the townie in this scenario?

I dislike the vote Sesq put on you. I get that good play is important, but vote somebody for it? That's policy lynching imo.

literally everything here is the exact opposite of what is true

i voted impede for being scum

i voted lucky for policy

policy lynching can help town

wow athena, that's a lot of nothing you've said.

That's certainly one way to interpret it. An incorrect interpretation, mind you, but an interpretation nonetheless.

jesus fucking christ. nevermind we're lynching athena today.

VOTE: cultofathena