Open 701: Pick Yer Power X/Y Game Over!

[Creature]

Ugh, I'm feeling so lazy to answer these generic accusations.

[Creature]

I've used genuine and forced because:

Town will naturally look town, aka genuine.
Scum will try to look town, aka forced.

[wilky]

Ugh, I'm feeling so lazy to answer these generic accusations.

I've used genuine and forced because:

Town will naturally look town, aka genuine.
Scum will try to look town, aka forced.

Not having this as a valid way to get out of it all.

VOTE: Creature

So far there I think Scum could include:

Creature
Chip Butty

Not fully convinced that Mutant is town I think as i've said a few times most things he's done could be attributed to idiot town or too scum.

[Creature]

I've made it pretty clear:

mutantdevle did something antitown, but not necessarily scummy. Maybe he thought it was the best play for town and he looks pretty newb to me.

tbh the reason I'm townreading him is not because of his rolefish, which can be ambiguous. I'm townreading him because he still keeps producing content in a way I find genuine.

I'm against the wagon because it reached the point it's a wagon to lynch. mutantdevle is already posting content and there should have enough out of him to sort, so the wagon on him must be to lynch.

I'm mainly afraid he might end just being a newbtown and it would mean we wasted an entire day on him, and we'll possibly have to start from zero next day with two less town.

I'm proposing for us to leave the wagon for now, doesn't mean we shouldn't revisit it if we end to the conclusion he's scum, but that's just later. Instead, we keep hunting for scum without the mindset of "mutant must be scum". We could always return to his wagon anyway.

[Creature]

Also, too blatant to be X is stupid.

The right way to do is: Would town do this? Why?

[Creature]

Mafia is much more complex than simply picking a mistake and associating it to scum.

[wilky]

I've made it pretty clear:

mutantdevle did something antitown, but not necessarily scummy. Maybe he thought it was the best play for town and he looks pretty newb to me.

tbh the reason I'm townreading him is not because of his rolefish, which can be ambiguous. I'm townreading him because he still keeps producing content in a way I find genuine.

I'm against the wagon because it reached the point it's a wagon to lynch. mutantdevle is already posting content and there should have enough out of him to sort, so the wagon on him must be to lynch.

I'm mainly afraid he might end just being a newbtown and it would mean we wasted an entire day on him, and we'll possibly have to start from zero next day with two less town.

I'm proposing for us to leave the wagon for now, doesn't mean we shouldn't revisit it if we end to the conclusion he's scum, but that's just later. Instead, we keep hunting for scum without the mindset of "mutant must be scum". We could always return to his wagon anyway.

So where do you propose we change attention too?

[Creature]

We could decide rn.

What's mainly scummy about Chip Butty?

[wilky]

Btw, can you all just not say whether you got something or not?

Was going through Creature's ISO here and found this as all the Mutant stuff started to kick off also. I think he is referring to saying wether you got a PR or not. This is just as scummy and in fact even more beneficial to scum in my eyes. If this had gone ahead and everyone did in fact say whether they got a PR or not then scum would have a full list of everyone who had a PR in the game and could base their kills around that.

[Creature]

Pretty sure I said

not

to claim if you got stuff.

[wilky]

We could decide rn.

What's mainly scummy about Chip Butty?

If you would read what I said I think I made it clear on a few occasions. He was very insistent on keeping the game off topic at a point where it really should have been moving into a more serious phase. I also didn't like him expressing his ignorance to the set-up seems fake too me and a way to get town cred.

[wilky]

Pretty sure I said

not

to claim if you got stuff.

I think i'm just misreading what you actually meant there then.

[Creature]

Are you more bothered about the bolded part?

@texcat : can you point out where it says in the rules that scum participate in the draft?

@wilky : the usual way?

This is my first u-pick game. Is it usual for scum to participate in the draft?

[wilky]

Are you more bothered about the bolded part?

@texcat : can you point out where it says in the rules that scum participate in the draft?

@wilky : the usual way?

This is my first u-pick game. Is it usual for scum to participate in the draft?

Additionally, what role you chose may be reflective of your alignment. Eg. a cop isn't very likely to be chosen by scum.

Right, so lets

ALL

roleclaim then. I mean that will solve the whole game right?

You keep talking about scum being effected by the role being chosen first and that it could damage scum. Who's to say you didn't want to find out because you're scum and want to know if the kill would be successful tonight then?

Furthermore, why wouldn't mafia take cop if they had first choice? I mean I know it doesn't benefit them as much as town but if scum were to take roles such as cop early in the draft they could stop town from having them roles so roles are not AI at all.

I doubt that scum were really in the draft.

More so, the quote above but partly the one you said. Such an easy way for scum to try get town cred by saying feigning that they don't know how the set up works. After that its the insistence to keep the thread off topic and blame everyone else for not directly sending him to the wiki even after I call him out on it.

[Creature]

Uh yeah, that's dumb. Though, I doubt it's a scum strategy. Not town-indicative nor scum-indicative for me.

[Creature]

If i had to pick 3 right now:

Wilky for being squirmy and casting a defensive vote.
Mutant for blatant and ill-advised role fishing.
Aster for too much setup spec.

In no particular order yet...

What do you think about this, wilky?

[wilky]

If i had to pick 3 right now:

Wilky for being squirmy and casting a defensive vote.
Mutant for blatant and ill-advised role fishing.
Aster for too much setup spec.

In no particular order yet...

What do you think about this, wilky?

I don't believe that I did place a defensive vote considering I was the one pushing Chip Butty at the time.
Mutant as I said has done stuff that could be either VI or scum so I have no issues there.
I will ISO Aster in around 15 minutes time to check that one.

[Creature]

Btw, there was another misinterpretation here:

Wilky - 7
Creature - 7
Lalendra - 7
Aster - 1
Pisskop - 1
Viomi - 1

Actually, I find this strange. Isn't the 1 group supposed to come first?

Also yes, scum does partake in the draft. This is my second pick-your-poison.

What do you make out of it?

[wilky]

Btw, there was another misinterpretation here:

Wilky - 7
Creature - 7
Lalendra - 7
Aster - 1
Pisskop - 1
Viomi - 1

Actually, I find this strange. Isn't the 1 group supposed to come first?

Also yes, scum does partake in the draft. This is my second pick-your-poison.

What do you make out of it?

What's the misrep here?

[Lalendra]

I find it funny that Creature keeps referring to mutant being newbtown when a) they've played on another site together and b) mutant has made it very clear that he is not new, that he has played before, and that he does not want to be discounted as a new player.

[Creature]

More that I don't understand what "yes, scum does partake in the draft" as to do with 19.

[Creature]

I find it funny that Creature keeps referring to mutant being newbtown when a) they've played on another site together and b) mutant has made it very clear that he is not new, that he has played before, and that he does not want to be discounted as a new player.

I don't like this. His join date is a month ago but he already said earlier in the thread that he has plenty of experience playing mafia, and in case that wasn't clear, he even refutes your noob claim later:

The problem is that EE forums mafia isn't a good experience. EE forums isn't a good mafia forums, I doubt it's even serious. So he should be a total newbie for serious mafia.

@Creature/mutant: (to try to settle the 'idiot town/scum issue) in EE, is it common to setup speculate on the first pages?

I guess it's more that the players there don't take mafia so seriously.

[wilky]

Btw, there was another misinterpretation here:

Wilky - 7
Creature - 7
Lalendra - 7
Aster - 1
Pisskop - 1
Viomi - 1

Actually, I find this strange. Isn't the 1 group supposed to come first?

Also yes, scum does partake in the draft. This is my second pick-your-poison.

What do you make out of it?

What's the misrep here?

Ahh, I see. Has he not replied to you instead of Chip Butty by mistake?

[Creature]

[bunch of quotes]

Ahh, I see. Has he not replied to you instead of Chip Butty by mistake?

Oh right, it's possible.

[Creature]

1. I don't think scum gets to talk before draft

Do you think this is a genuine townslip?