Open 702: Vanilla Nightless Game Over

[CultOfAthena]

Right, so you've taken one part of one point and then used it to dismiss my entire case?

What? He quite clearly commented on the rest of what you were talking about as to why he doesn't want to lynch UCV - you even quoted it right there and responded to it.

The main part of the point you're talking about is that his reads were contrived - how convenient is it to have one townread, one null read and one scum read laid out like that? It isn't natural. The fact there was no reasoning for any of it only compounds the matter as it looks like he's just trying to fabricate something to look busy.

I think you overestimate the disorganization of randomness. There's a lot more I want to talk about regarding this, but none of it is particularly game-relevant. For now I think i'm agreeing with cy.

I feel there is enough to warrant a UCV lynch even if you entirely exclude meta. Just note his reaction to being voted - he isn't angry because I'm tunneling him, as I've been doing it for a while this game without him getting angry. He's annoyed that it's working and that I will successfully get him lynched again.

Why does that reaction always come from scum?

[UC Voyager]

no. I could have sworn that is why he left.
now im a scum's wet dream come true
It is going to literally suck seeing UCV, VT, lynched day one.


i will never join a game with Luca again. if i would not had read the wrong playerlist, i never would have joined this game.

[UC Voyager]

in the meantime, i will reread basketball day three or four.

[Luca Blight]

Right, so you've taken one part of one point and then used it to dismiss my entire case?

What? He quite clearly commented on the rest of what you were talking about as to why he doesn't want to lynch UCV - you even quoted it right there and responded to it.

The main part of the point you're talking about is that his reads were contrived - how convenient is it to have one townread, one null read and one scum read laid out like that? It isn't natural. The fact there was no reasoning for any of it only compounds the matter as it looks like he's just trying to fabricate something to look busy.

I think you overestimate the disorganization of randomness. There's a lot more I want to talk about regarding this, but none of it is particularly game-relevant. For now I think i'm agreeing with cy.

I feel there is enough to warrant a UCV lynch even if you entirely exclude meta. Just note his reaction to being voted - he isn't angry because I'm tunneling him, as I've been doing it for a while this game without him getting angry. He's annoyed that it's working and that I will successfully get him lynched again.

Why does that reaction always come from scum?

1. He may have mentioned the others parts of my case, but he is still dismissing them while focusing on half of one point.

2. Fluff.

3. Being friendly with me up until others start voting on him and then throwing his toys out of the pram? I can see more scum motivation than town there.

You want to say something relevant, Athena?

[CultOfAthena]

i will never join a game with Luca again. if i would not had read the wrong playerlist, i never would have joined this game.

So explain it again to me what's got you so frustrated this game?

[UC Voyager]

i will never join a game with Luca again. if i would not had read the wrong playerlist, i never would have joined this game.

So explain it again to me what's got you so frustrated this game?

it is more than this game. it is a long story an di need to go to bed. maybe later i will get to this.

[Luca Blight]

no. I could have sworn that is why he left.

now im a scum's wet dream come true

It is going to literally suck seeing UCV, VT, lynched day one.


i will never join a game with Luca again. if i would not had read the wrong playerlist, i never would have joined this game.

You always copy my lines haha.

I am a big influence on UCV's Mafia development, for sure.

[mozamis]

think it best if you guys let other people makes their minds up now, kinda drowning the thread a bit

[UC Voyager]

no. I could have sworn that is why he left.

now im a scum's wet dream come true

It is going to literally suck seeing UCV, VT, lynched day one.


i will never join a game with Luca again. if i would not had read the wrong playerlist, i never would have joined this game.

You always copy my lines haha.

I am a big influence on UCV's Mafia development, for sure.

did you originally say that? i know someone else said it about another player, but im drawing a blank when, where and to who

[CultOfAthena]

2. Fluff.

Not really, but it's such minutae that it's not worth it to talk about.

3. Being friendly with me up until others start voting on him and then throwing his toys out of the pram? I can see more scum motivation than town there.

You want to say something relevant, Athena?

I suppose so - I'm just trying to put myself in the shoes of someone lynched so often day one, and I'm wondering when some element of frustration would come into that.

Working on it.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

I think a ragequit is a ragequit, regardless of alignment.

[Impede]

I'm just trying to put myself in the shoes of someone lynched so often day one, and I'm wondering when some element of frustration would come into that.

This. This is what gives me pause. Is his frustration due to Luca falsely scumreading him? Or because he doesn't want to be "that scum" that gets lynched on D1 and it's all happening because Luca reads him like a book?

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

Also, an addendum. I dislike throwing around my vote, so I take it a little seriously when it comes to voting.

Can you look at the questions I have for you in #302?

Okay, so I'm usually an analytical player. I watch other people for scumtells such as excessive RVS, OMGUS, and keeping an eye on the nightkill, as well as the probability of them being scum based on the tells and how productive they've been. Also, try to figure out the motives on stuff.

However

I usually play in real life, so I have a tendency of lurking until I'm fairly certain of who's scum. This of course, doesn't work on Mafiascum. So, I'm trying to not apply all that I use irl since it can be a bit awkward. Normally, I wouldn't make such a hot mess such as 90 because I had my argument together and it's way easier to just raise your hand than to try to explain logic that got closed the first time.

So yes, usually that analysis playstyle works for me, but my online play is poorer than irl and I need to work on that.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

I'm just trying to put myself in the shoes of someone lynched so often day one, and I'm wondering when some element of frustration would come into that.

This. This is what gives me pause. Is his frustration due to Luca falsely scumreading him? Or because he doesn't want to be "that scum" that gets lynched on D1 and it's all happening because Luca reads him like a book?

From what I hear, UC gets in games with Luca a lot, and Luca tunnels him. Now, we all know landing scum more than 1 game in a row is less common than landing town. I imagine being lynched D1 constantly regardless of alignment due to being 'read' must be tiring. Notice how his first post is an, "Oh goddamit, not another Luca game". If anything, the buddying may have been a desperate attempt to not get lynched D1 again.

[Luca Blight]

I think a ragequit is a ragequit, regardless of alignment.

Apart from when it's a fake ragequit.

And you're missing the context here - UCV faked a ragequit with BlackVoid's in mind, knowing that slot was later seen as conf town in that game. UCV is basing his vote on me on the fact I viewed BlackVoid's as Town but UCV's as scum, even though the scenarios are completely different which I have proven, yet which he still denies.

Basically UCV was trying to fake a towntell, but has in reality just dug himself an even deeper hole as he's just been caught blatantly lying to try to get himself out of trouble.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 1.10

UC Voyager(5)

~ Luca Blight, Sesq, Lucky2u, mozamis, Impede

Lucky2u(2)

~ CommKnight, LaserGuy

CommKnight(2)

~ cytheflyguy, Zulfy

mozamis(1)

~ CultOfAthena

Luca Blight(1)

~ UC Voyager


Not Voting (1): Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-02 21:30:00)

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[UC Voyager]

I think a ragequit is a ragequit, regardless of alignment.

thank you. my "rage quit" wasn't mean't to be alignment indicative. it was just me mad at the game.

[mozamis]

encouraging that this lynch is slow

[mozamis]

c'mon zulfer and cult, time to bus to earn that town cred!

[CultOfAthena]

c'mon zulfer and cult, time to bus to earn that town cred!

Yes, and I'm sure if I'm off the wagon and UCV flips town it'll be scum avoiding a mislynch for town cred, right?

The propsect of joining the UCV wagon with the people on it currently gives me pause. I think I'm going to forego my typical multi-responses and just leave it at this for today. I'd like to see how this unfolds and to hear a bit more from UCV as well as some other inactive slots.

[CultOfAthena]

Actually, let's talk about that - where does your scumread on me come from?

[mozamis]

no, lets focus on uv today. nice try, though.
your hopeless equivocation is noted.

[Impede]

It's generally scummy to not be on a wagon unless you have demonstrated a trajectory towards a townread of that person. This game is A bit unique however... no NK means that scum necessarily have to wagon effectively, so I think Moz's observation that this wagon is slow is most definitely a good sign. Although I'd expect a crap ton of bussing D1 and possibly D2 (at least until we lynch scum), so there's a chance multiple scum are on this wagon already to get their bus pass (just made up that term... hope it catches on).

[Impede]

@CoA: you should hop on. L-1 is quite a powerful tool for town. Not like you're signing the death certificate just yet.

[CultOfAthena]

no, lets focus on uv today. nice try, though.
your hopeless equivocation is noted.

Wow, that's an original one - no sarcasm. I don't think I've ever seen someone get out of explaining their reads by saying we should focus on another wagon.

Do you truly believe the opportunity cost of our discussion to be so high that it would derail UCV's lynch? "Let's focus on people that aren't me" is a weak cop-out.

It's generally scummy to not be on a wagon unless you have demonstrated a trajectory towards a townread of that person.

Are you saying that as your own opinion or as an opinion of others that you've noticed?

I disagree, but that's mostly theory talk so I don't think it's a good use of my time to talk about it that much.

This game is A bit unique however... no NK means that scum necessarily have to wagon effectively, so I think Moz's observation that this wagon is slow is most definitely a good sign. Although I'd expect a crap ton of bussing D1 and possibly D2 (at least until we lynch scum), so there's a chance multiple scum are on this wagon already to get their bus pass (just made up that term... hope it catches on).

This is how I'm seeing it as well.