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[Lapsa]

why are you talking as if i wasn't the one who asked you (referring to me in the third person)?

because I actually thought I'm replying to sunlit

[northsidegal]

sometimes

if obvtown is influential and correct - then it's a juicy target.
I guess Nero would qualify

in Shinobi's case - I believe motive to be different.
which is - to make contagious chain of town scumreads on each other

but do you have any reason to believe that?

mix of always oscillating null, slight town/scum lean.
sounds convenient but I can't help that

this is entirely inconsistent with everything you've been saying since about the end of day one - why should i believe you?

[Lapsa]

surely if i were scum and that was my plan then i would have typed something up over the night and actually started pushing him today, wouldn't you think?

WIFOM more

also, what does "panicking" have to do with anything?

this is what I mean by bullcrap

I can't figure out town intent for such a question

if i'm scum here, why am i scared?

vig + dead encryptor + calling out possibility of ASP framing => lack of plan, fear

also - your question seems to be logically broken.
it sort of implies that you admit being scared

are you losing coherence on purpose to look like you are scum hunting?

[Lapsa]

but do you have any reason to believe that?

yes

mix of always oscillating null, slight town/scum lean.
sounds convenient but I can't help that

this is entirely inconsistent with everything you've been saying since about the end of day one

please, be more specific

why should i believe you?

seriously?

[northsidegal]

WIFOM more

"wifom" is a lazy excuse for a point that doesn't make sense. you're saying that my plan here was to frame asp and to get a flashwagon on him - my play today isn't consistent with that theory.

also, what does "panicking" have to do with anything?

this is what I mean by bullcrap

I can't figure out town intent for such a question

i'm trying to figure out what you're saying - i didn't see the clear connection between me voting asp and me panicking.

vig + dead encryptor + calling out possibility of ASP framing => lack of plan, fear

and what does this have to do with me voting asp?

also - your question seems to be logically broken.
it sort of implies that you admit being scared

are you losing coherence on purpose to look like you are scum hunting?

my question isn't logically broken, nor does it imply that i'm admitting to being scared, nor am i losing coherence at all. if you were more specific i could give you a better response than this but you've just stated things that aren't true. you implied that i'm scared scum; "why would i be scared if i were scum?" is a perfectly valid question - your reasoning on that wasn't entirely clear.

[northsidegal]

but do you have any reason to believe that?

yes

mind telling me why?

mix of always oscillating null, slight town/scum lean.
sounds convenient but I can't help that

this is entirely inconsistent with everything you've been saying since about the end of day one

please, be more specific

you know what i'm referring to. the entire game you've been treating shinobi as if he's scum - there's never been any indication that your read on him was oscillating or that it was a slight town/scum lean.

why should i believe you?

seriously?

yes, seriously - like i said, what you're trying to tell me is entirely inconsistent with your play the entire game. is there some reason i should believe you? some indication that you actually held this opinion before?

[Lapsa]

WIFOM more

"wifom" is a lazy excuse for a point that doesn't make sense.

it does make sense. you basically asked me to defend you in your place

you're saying that my plan here was to frame asp and to get a flashwagon on him - my play today isn't consistent with that theory.

not anymore for sure

also, what does "panicking" have to do with anything?

this is what I mean by bullcrap

I can't figure out town intent for such a question

i'm trying to figure out what you're saying - i didn't see the clear connection between me voting asp and me panicking.

perhaps there wasn't intent at all and you were just panicking

vig + dead encryptor + calling out possibility of ASP framing => lack of plan, fear

and what does this have to do with me voting asp?

I see it as a scum slip

hasted reaction - as if it's completely obvious that ASP must be scum and everybody should unquestionably follow

also - your question seems to be logically broken.
it sort of implies that you admit being scared

are you losing coherence on purpose to look like you are scum hunting?

my question isn't logically broken, nor does it imply that i'm admitting to being scared, nor am i losing coherence at all. if you were more specific i could give you a better response than this but you've just stated things that aren't true. you implied that i'm scared scum; "why would i be scared if i were scum?" is a perfectly valid question - your reasoning on that wasn't entirely clear.

ok... taking back that one

[Lapsa]

mind telling me why?

mostly PoE. it's the only scenario I got that makes complete sense

assuming you are questioning events of this particular game and not game theory in general

you know what i'm referring to. the entire game you've been treating shinobi as if he's scum - there's never been any indication that your read on him was oscillating or that it was a slight town/scum lean.

no - I didn't know

you are correct - I have been treating shinobi as scum

why should i believe you?

seriously?

yes, seriously - like i said, what you're trying to tell me is entirely inconsistent with your play the entire game. is there some reason i should believe you? some indication that you actually held this opinion before?

don't think there's much indication of that if any

best reason there is is that nothing really forced me to share my read on Shinobi

then again - so far you are doing crap job for me to care.
it feels like you are just using affirmation to sow doubt

[Lapsa]

actually - there's even a better reason

apparently you are not scumreading me

has there been any indication of the contrary?
why shouldn't you believe me?

[Lapsa]

another interesting scumtell is that you claim not to understand me

perhaps that's true. perhaps not

thing is - town usually don't emphasize that at all

[Lapsa]

i'm trying to figure out what you're saying - i didn't see the clear connection between me voting asp and me panicking.

^ talking about this bit

I find your inability to figure out what I'm saying fake

[northsidegal]

why shouldn't you believe me?

just because at the moment i'm not convinced that you're scum doesn't mean i'm taking everything you say as the truth, nor should i. my disbelief of your opinion on shinobi is unrelated to my read on you - it comes from being inconsistent with your play.

another interesting scumtell is that you claim not to understand me

perhaps that's true. perhaps not

thing is - town usually don't emphasize that at all

i'm not sure i'd really call that "emphasis". i was explaining why i had asked the "panicking" question - the reason was clarification. i've never claimed to not understand you in general, just on specific points that were unclear to me.

[Transcend]

VOTE: northside

[northsidegal]

1 it does make sense. you basically asked me to defend you in your place
2 not anymore for sure
3 perhaps there wasn't intent at all and you were just panicking
4 I see it as a scum slip. hasted reaction - as if it's completely obvious that ASP must be scum and everybody should unquestionably follow

1 i wasn't asking you to defend me - the question was largely rhetorical. i don't think there's a good answer as to why i wouldn't have something typed out or why i wouldn't have actually pushed for asp's lynch if i was scum, and i'm trying to say that that shows that i'm town.

2 but was it ever really? if you believe that it was, where are you getting that from with relation to me being scum specifically?

3 let's say i'm scum panicking here becuase my partner just got shot - why do i make the first post of the day as just a naked vote? why do i make the first post of the day at all? let's say you believe that i wasn't thinking clearly, just panicking. i still don't see your reason for

why

you believe this - it feels like you've just decided that i'm scum and you're coming up with reasons to explain it, rather than the other way around.

4 this really makes me think that you're confbiased on me at this point. like, you're reading so much into something so small and most importantly you're constructing narratives to fit your viewpoint.

i'm asking a lot of these rhetorical questions here - the main point i'm trying to illustrate is that i don't think you're really thinking through the reasons as to why you believe i'm scum.

[Transcend]

VOTE: northside

[northsidegal]

mostly PoE. it's the only scenario I got that makes complete sense

assuming you are questioning events of this particular game and not game theory in general

i think it would do you well to reevaluate. it seems to me like the mozamis and shinobi flips should have shaken up your reads but you seem to be in the exact same place that you were in yesterday.

best reason there is is that nothing really forced me to share my read on Shinobi

when you say this, are you referring to today or previous days? like, are you saying that nothing forced you to share today or previously?

then again - so far you are doing crap job for me to care.
it feels like you are just using affirmation to sow doubt

could you explain what you mean by this? i'm not sure what "using affirmation to sow doubt" means. the confusion mainly comes from the "using affirmation" part.

[Transcend]

VOTE: northside

[northsidegal]

why?

[Transcend]

Guilty

[Lapsa]

why shouldn't you believe me?

just because at the moment i'm not convinced that you're scum doesn't mean i'm taking everything you say as the truth, nor should i.
my disbelief of your opinion on shinobi is unrelated to my read on you - it comes from being inconsistent with your play.

then why do you even expect there to be a good reason that somehow magically confirms genuineness of my Shinobi read?

another interesting scumtell is that you claim not to understand me

perhaps that's true. perhaps not

thing is - town usually don't emphasize that at all

i'm not sure i'd really call that "emphasis". i was explaining why i had asked the "panicking" question - the reason was clarification.
i've never claimed to not understand you in general, just on specific points that were unclear to me.

that leads to my next point

we are going back and forth for quite awhile - yet somehow you haven't really revealed anything.
this is precisely what I mean by panicking. either lurking (which I'm sure you did) or "discussion" full of doubt, questions and vagueness

for Christ's sake - I'm calling you a scum. there's a huge pink elephant in the room

at the very least vote me and shout out loud:

Lapsa is lying, he's clearly making things up to cover his ass!

[Assemblerotws]

Guilty

Soft guilty or hard guilty?

[Transcend]

Hard

[Lapsa]

when you say this, are you referring to today or previous days? like, are you saying that nothing forced you to share today or previously?

oh that is so confusing

I fucking linked it

[Transcend]

Okay maybe soft

[northsidegal]

then why do you even expect there to be a good reason that somehow magically confirms genuineness of my Shinobi read?

i don't expect there to be one, i was asking if there was one that you wanted to show.

that leads to my next point

we are going back and forth for quite awhile - yet somehow you haven't really revealed anything.
this is precisely what I mean by panicking. either lurking (which I'm sure you did) or "discussion" full of doubt, questions and vagueness

for Christ's sake - I'm calling you a scum. there's a huge pink elephant in the room

at the very least vote me and shout out loud:

Lapsa is lying, he's clearly making things up to cover his ass!

i'm trying to understand where you're coming from - what your read is based on, what your thought process is, et cetera. it's part of how i form my reads on people - that's why i felt so useless yesterday. tons of people were unwilling to interact or even give reasons as to their reads. i'm trying to look at things objectively here, or at least from your perspective. just because you're pushing for my lynch doesn't necessarily make you scum.

Hard

oh, i thought this was a gambit at first but i was confused - i wouldn't think you'd gambit a fake guilty. gunsmith, right?