Open 699 - Pick your Poison - Town Win

[ProHawk]

Basically all of our claims just became invalidated. Thanks to you dude who thought you would be cooler than everyone else for who knows why.

[Fishythefish]

I'm not sure I'd have done massclaim, but at this point I think the PR should just claim. Very little sense staying hidden with fitz out, as scum have a PR they can kill either way.

fitz's hypoclaiming is an excellent way to go.

[mutantdevle]

Jeez guys calm down. Simple gambit ‘tis all. I’m the other PR. I feel it was important to try to make it as likely as possible for scum to fake claim. It’s also good to see others reactions to finding out someone lied. Since boring didn’t try to pass herself off as the other PR that gives her a little more town credit.

And before y’all go lynch all liars on my ass just reread my posts. I never actually claimed VT I just stated it could be inferred I was which isn’t the same as claiming.

So anyway my results:

IC - I’ll claim at MyLo or if y’all stupidly push me to L-1 due to my gambit.

Watcher - Fitz N1: nothing, boring N2: nothing, ProHawk N3: nothing.

Cop - N2: ProHawk: townie.


Everyone here can make a guess at best over which roles we are. However, between myself and fitz, one of us knows who the other is whereas the other can narrow it down to 2 options.

New lynch pool:

ProHawk
Kelbris
Deasvail
Fish

That’s a 50% chance of getting scum :3

[mutantdevle]

Oh and also boring is in the lynch pool. There’s still a chance she is scum. (I copy pasted fitz’s lynch pool and removed my name forgetting he thought boring was a PR at the time.

[mutantdevle]

I’ve just had another idea. For the most part, both myself and fitz should not vote or give our opinions until the rest of you have done so. That way, the scum can’t just sheep on our confirmed town opinions.

This would also force the scum into an uncomfortable position of balancing bussing and defending each other.

[kelbris]

Well, I am sorry but I gotta go V/LA for the next 2 days (AEST), going to be at the country teams chess tourney.

[havingfitz]

Well, I am sorry but I gotta go V/LA for the next 2 days (AEST), going to be at the country teams chess tourney.

Give some reads first. Who's scum? Who do you lean towards voting?

[havingfitz]

Here is your lynch pool:

ProHawk
Kelbris
Deasvail
boring
Fish

Two of these are scum...woot woot.

fixed.

Ok...so looks like I need to lower sr on ProHawk based on mutant's potential pr results. Bleh.

Now that the claim dust has settled ...who's scum folks?

[ProHawk]

Would like to lynch Kelbris today, fits with my original thoughts.

[ProHawk]

Don't trust mutant anymore though

[ProHawk]

Tbh if you have nothing to hide then the order shouldn’t matter. The order we claim in only effects scum. This applies to both of you. You should both claim once you click on this thread next regardless of who’s claimed before you.

Why did you say this? Clearly order mattered to you

[mutantdevle]

Tbh if you have nothing to hide then the order shouldn’t matter. The order we claim in only effects scum. This applies to both of you. You should both claim once you click on this thread next regardless of who’s claimed before you.

Why did you say this? Clearly order mattered to you

To apply pressure on people to role claim. Besides, for the most part it didn’t matter. It would only affect who would be in the position to either assume a PR or confess they are not it. I don’t get why you’re trying to stir up shit with me though. Since only 2 of us claim a PR there should be no doubt that we are. Get back to pressuring those in the lynch pool whilst myself and fitz criticise your statements without giving our opinions.

[ProHawk]

We'll see.

[ProHawk]

I have a problem with conspiracy theories

[ProHawk]

I would tell you why but I don't want to give anyone any ideas.

[mutantdevle]

Yeah I think we should keep PR tactics and discussion to a minimum for now. For the most part of this day the lynch pool should discuss amongst themselves who they think the scum are within them. Meanwhile, myself and fitz will jump in to point out flaws and ask questions to do with people’s accusations and defences without giving a strong opinion. The second part of the day, when we start voting, you’re welcome to discuss PR semantics then. It’s to town’s best interest to put as much pressure on the lynch pool as possible.

[DeasVail]

I don’t have the time to devote the thought that I want to devote to this right now. Hopefully I’ll get some time after work tonight if I’m not too tired.

[havingfitz]

I don’t have the time to devote the thought that I want to devote to this right now. Hopefully I’ll get some time after work tonight if I’m not too tired.

Well..we have 11 days.

No thoughts on anything before you vanish for some tbd amount of time?

[mutantdevle]

It’s annoying that people are going VLA without at least dropping a small read to spark some discussion whilst they are away :/

[boring]

I'm still on Deas and Kelbris. as my first two choices. Fish after that. TBH, Prohawk just isn't pinging me. I think part of it is just a knee-jerk reaction to Transcend. I know he was beyond irritating with my slot and I know I'm town, so I want to assume he was dead wrong about Prohawk. But mostly, it's the lack of ping.

Also, mutant, if you do have an innocent on Prohawk, we need to know.

For me and the other townie(s) remaining in the pool, that takes our odds of choosing scum from 2/4 to 2/3. That's as close to a solved game as we could ever hope for, and it gives us 3 conf. town.

[boring]

Spoiler:

But right now I reckon boring is the best bet for scum:

There's no way Transcend's town. And all this cop-talk just looks like him trying to tease out another naive PR.

That lolhammer was beyond anti-town. Added with all the other toxic, ridiculous play this game, he really must be just a cheap-shot scum player.

Luca successfully rallied the town to vote UCV, and he was clearly going after Transcend next, with no one else clearly in his crosshairs. If Transcend was town, there's no reason to kill Luca. Better mutant, or someone else widely townread. Luca would have guaranteed a Trasncend lynch today.

VOTE: Transcend

I think this is vote #4, so

L-1

Seriously, Kelbris? Everyone hasn't even checked in yet.

Scum!Transcend -- I'm looking at Kelbris and Ecto tomorrow
Town!Transcend -- Kelbris, and then everyone else.

If you're convinced that Transcend is scum here, as your previous post suggested, why this reaction to a hammer?

Dude, really? You should know better. Kelbris hammered when we were less than 24 hours into the day. That's not good.

Now, I don't know about you, but I don't have a list of who was assigned which alignments. I can very strongly suspect someone is scum, but I'm not delusional enough to think there's no chance I'm wrong. What if someone really did have an innocent on him? What if someone had other information about the night events? Maybe a tracker saw someone move for the NK? We didn't fucking know. Kelbris marches to the beat of his own drum, and I get that, but that rapid hammer was incredibly suspect.

Um, you literally said “there’s no way Transcend is town”. Did you mean that or did you not mean that?

I agree with you that the hammer was not a good move, but I think that reaction comes from someone who knows Transcemd is town, not someone who believes Transcend is scum.

Btw, I forgot to respond to this yesterday. But there's not much to say. I think he's being intentionally dense. As if he lives in a universe without hyperbole. More like he's trying to put a vote somewhere and hopes it won't make too many waves (I've been a safe vote for scum this whole game).

Still, I'd prefer DeasVail, but I'll totally do Kelbris too. I think they are the most likely scum team. ... I guess we have time to dive in and look a little closer at vote patterns, UCV interactions, and their relationship with each other in the next 11 days.

[boring]

It’s annoying that people are going VLA without at least dropping a small read to spark some discussion whilst they are away :/

Meh, it's Deas and Kelbris doing it, right? I guess Fish too, but at least he's chiming in a little more productively, if laconic.

"Lay low til LYLO" is a tried-and-true scum strategy.

[mutantdevle]

Also, mutant, if you do have an innocent on Prohawk, we need to know.

I guess you’ll have to find out tomorrow when either myself or fitz are dead. You’re welcome to exclude ProHawk from the lynch pool for today if you wish (but that’s no guarantee others will do so).

[DeasVail]

Okay, I’ve thought things through and I’m less sure than I was before, but my first choice is still boring. Second choice Kelbris.

[davesaz]

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