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[Lalendra]

Because there's very little point in nitpicking the interactions between all of you until one of you flips. Pre-flip associatives are a waste of time.

[TwoInAMillion]

If they flip town there's a point.

[Lalendra]

Which hasn't happened yet, so I'm not sure I understand where you're going with this.

[TwoInAMillion]

Well we've lynched 1 town and 0 scum. So that's not true. If you have info you should share it unless it implicates you.

[Lalendra]

I was referring to the interactions between my four scum reads. None of you have flipped so there is no information to gain by examining associatives. You asked me how I envision you and Dany being scumbuddies, that was my answer.

[TwoInAMillion]

That was a non answer.

fos: lalendra

[skitter30]

I like this post.

What do you think about the fact implosion later joined the Mulch wagon, and that he's currently voting Lalendra?

@skitter - Did you read what I wrote in my readslist about why my read on TIAM changed? I don't think it's that hard to go from "not sure if this person is scum" to "they did scummy things and now I think they're scum."

Yes, I did. You never explained how you went from 'not sure if this person is scum' to 'they did scummy things and now I think they're scum and so I'm voting for them', which is exactly the point I was highlighting. You're conflating having wrong reads with being scummy.

VOTE: Idanyboy

This guy is scum and will push wossi tomorrow

Lalendra, Mulch said that about iDanyboy, not TIAM. Naughty, naughty...

Ugh, gdi.

VOTE: iDanyBoy

You're voting TIAM, who you're not sure if is 'scum or consistently wrong town'. Are you voting him because you scumread him, or because you think he's a liability even if town?

(Also you conflate dany and tiam in the mulch section

).

@Lalendra: Did you not read this earlier? Cuz I pointed out that you confused dany and Two like four days ago.

Later adds Serg, who obviously has not flipped yet but I TR him

[Serg] Seems like disengaged town, not scum.

(I added the word 'serg' for clarity; this was in the Serg section).

how about we go after someone who is actually scum? i.e. look in Chip, skitter, TIAM and iDany.

Serg is not my top scumread but I would be willing to join that wagon.

What the heck is this?

[Lalendra]

I would favor Serg lynch over no lynch, but would much rather have a lynch within my scum pool. Hence why I have not moved my vote onto Serg. However, a no-lynch gives us no information, and Serg's behavior is offputting enough that I am willing to compromise on him as opposed to not lynching anyone at all.

[skitter30]

I would favor Serg lynch over no lynch, but would much rather have a lynch within my scum pool. Hence why I have not moved my vote onto Serg. However, a no-lynch gives us no information, and Serg's behavior is offputting enough that I am willing to compromise on him as opposed to not lynching anyone at all.

Why are you talking about no-lynching? We're still in early-mid day 2, and we aren't anywhere close to deadline yet. You're talking about who you would vote in the event of a nolynch, and you're telling me you'd vote your own counterwagon, which is kinda obvious, because presumably you aren't voting yourself.

And why are you bringing up Serg and conceding to prevalent opinion instead of trying to get people to follow

you

on your scumreads (who you apparently can't even keep straight)?

This kinda reads like you're just adding another name to a list of people you're willing to lynch.

And is Serg in your scumpool or not? Earlier you called him a 'locktownread', but now he's 'not [your] top scumread', which implies he is *a scumread*, just not the top one.

[Sephiroth]

You are two of the four people I scumread. I'm not going to go into associatives until one of you flips.

Because there's very little point in nitpicking the interactions between all of you until one of you flips. Pre-flip associatives are a waste of time.

I was referring to the interactions between my four scum reads. None of you have flipped so there is no information to gain by examining associatives. You asked me how I envision you and Dany being scumbuddies, that was my answer.

Dude are you fucking kidding me???

If the three of us are scum then I am doing the absolute most obvious buddying and shit-tastic scum play ever.

Not to mention that it would be fairly obvious bussing if BOTH of my scumbuddies were on my wagon. That, combined with the fact that I am so confident that they are town DESPITE the fact that they are voting me, should be all the evidence you need. I retract my earlier reads list; you are just manufacturing scumtells at this point, not to mention the blatant misrep re: my 580.

VOTE: Sephiroth

In what world does you thinking that the three of us are scum not equate to the three of us being scum together?? If there are three scum in a game, and you have three scumreads, how does that NOT necessitate that those three individuals are scum together??

This is the post I was referring to. "My scum reads are Mulch and you, followed by serg." The fact that you later said that you "don't have strong feelings on associations between players atm" doesn't negate the fact that if you are right about all three of us (which you're not, and I am doubtful you're right about even one of us), we are all scum together. So I was pointing out how silly that would be based on the way I have played. You talking about your level of confidence in those reads, how one or more could be wrong, etc. doesn't come in until later.

And frankly, it's kind of silly to analyze people's scumminess in a vacuum, and not take associatives into consideration at least somewhat; I would not scumread three people without at least considering the interactions I had seen between those three, or at least saying "hmm, if the three of them are scum then that means that they are a team together, and I will disregard what would be extremely obvious bussing on Lalendra's part if that is the case."

So so so happy with my vote.

[wavemode]

VOTE: Lalendra

[Sergtacos]

VOTE: Lalendra

[Sergtacos]

whats the vc?

[wavemode]

POST 888

[TwoInAMillion]

I want to vote but don't want to quick hammer.

[Wickedestjr]

Lalendra is at L-1 by my count.

Done with my reread and thoughts soon.

[Wickedestjr]

Okay this is where I'm at right now. My initial impression after rereading;

TOWN

{Flubbernugget, implosion}

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{iDanyboy, skitter30}

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{Sergtacos}

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{Lalendra, wavemode}

{Chip Butty, Sephiroth, TwoInAMillion}

SCUM

The bottom two categories are in pretty close proximity... For example, even though Lalendra isn't in the bottom three, I am highly considering the possibility that she and Sephiroth are partners. I spent the last hour or two trying to see what teams make sense within those five players, but it's getting really late, so that will have to wait some more. Should be available tomorrow to explain some of my other reads too.

Vote: TwoInAMillion

I came into this game knowing that he had a propensity to look suspicious after Iambic Tetramafia. But I honestly think that his play here is more bothersome than it was there and he has done some weird things in this game that I don't think can be attributed to a 'generally scummy-looking play style'.

I (still) don't like his willingness to hammer Wossi, for reasons I explained here. That post in combination with his other mis-readings make it seem like he's not really interested in figuring things out. His play surrounding the Mulch bandwagon is also odd. His reason for leaving the bandwagon doesn't seem like a natural town thought process and the "better to vote someone that was actually on the Mulch lynch" is convenient considering he supported the bandwagon but wasn't on it at the end of the day. Also, his vote for Dany seems opportunistic considering it is in large part based on Mulch's last words, the guy who he didn't seem to be a big fan of yesterday. Recently, him saying that Lalendra 'scum-slipped' by voting the wrong person is an interesting idea considering he did the same thing yesterday.

I can explain some of these reasons in more depth tomorrow as well, but going to sleep now

[Wickedestjr]

Also fwiw, I have no idea how in the world someone can just vote for the wrong person. Let alone multiple people

I don't think they're all scum, but I just don't get how that happens

[Chip Butty]

whats the vc?

You mean you voted without knowing? You were just 1 vote away from hammering...

[Chip Butty]

I know I've been promising more effort, and haven't delivered so far. Sometime in the next 24 hours...

[Chip Butty]

I'm not super convinced about the Lalendra wagon. Leaning toward 2IAM. Will ISO both if hammer hasn't come down first, as well as that Flubber ISO I promised some time back...

[wavemode]

I could go TIAM as well. I really want Serg

[Nexus]

Votecount 2.2:

Lalendra (5)

- Sephiroth, implosion, iDanyboy, wavemode, Sergtacos

Sergtacos (2)

- skitter30, Flubbernugget

iDanyboy (2)

- TownInAMillion, Lalendra

TwoInAMillion (1)

- Wickedestjr

Not voting (1)

- Chip Butty

With 11 alive, 6 to lynch. Deadline is at 8pm GMT on Monday 11th December 2017. ((expired on 2017-12-11 20:00:00))

[TwoInAMillion]

Pretty sure leandra is scum and we can't afford a mislynch.
VOTE: lelendra

[Wickedestjr]

^
This is why we shouldn't leave people at L-1.

TIAM basically just claimed scum for hammering someone without a claim.