Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Thor665]

Why are people town reading des? he is not being the abrasive in your face des I know him to be when he is town, and he is not scum reading me like he does when he is town.

I've lynched softie Des to less than brilliant results in the past.
So I say 'meh'.

Link?

You still haven't done the research on the last thing you made a stink about.
So by this stage I'm intending to just make more and more outlandish claims to see if you ever do

[Elliberetta]

loldesp you link me

[checkersman7]

do you ever use the phrase 'ruin game' thor

[RachMarie]

Elli Here is a game where I town read Des and he was town. His style in this game linked is very different from his play here.

Harry Potter and the prisoner of Azkaban

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[Transcend]

i mean meta sucks

but desperado is openwolfing here

[checkersman7]

why

[Thor665]

do you ever use the phrase 'ruin game' thor

I might, but if I do it must be rare.

[Toto]

I agree with the dog

[Toto]

Desperado has not explained a single read this game and doesnt seem to care who gets lynched. He votes luv but is not really trying to get anyone lynched.

He hasnt reevaluated a single read (aka stances because he hasnt explained WHY)

His whole tell on bulba is making my spidy senses go nuts.

Maybe deep down there he has reads and maybe he cares who gets lynched but Im not fucking TELEPATHIC

[checkersman7]

? He's pushing (albeit in his way) his scumreads and has explained his meta tell/a debate with someone

what do you expect from town desp that you aren't seeing here

or alternately, how do you know this is scum desp?

[Toto]

I expect ppl to explain their reads so I can judge if they are real reads or agenda

Which reads do you think he is pushing because I dont see it

[checkersman7]

VOTE: group b

LUV needs to dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

What are your a/c reads?

creature

elli
dan

eddie

-------------- <---- line of lynchability

whymafia
assemble

bulb


checkers
rach

transcend

------------- <--- line of lynchability

ginngie

vonflare

mikan

bulb - strong townreads elsewhere in the group and past experience
eddie - he's straddling the line, not much to explain
you and chesskid - no idea what your scumgames look like but you both feel right. unfortunately there's no hito or kagami here to help bridge the gap between you guys and the rest of us

when bulb is scum, he has a mechanical tic, especially in active games, where he is perennially "catching up" and he ends many posts with "on to page_____"

as town, he either doesn't use this at all, or if he does, it's sparingly and not as rote

in my head he'd been using it a lot more in this game but he's actually only said it once and it's the kind of whimsical version that comes from town him who legitimately just got backed up. as scum i suspect he's actually keeping up with the thread at all times but uses the catch up style posting to further his agenda

[checkersman7]

just from a quick skim

now if you said

hey vonflare isn't scumhunting

then you would be correct

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This day is going to end in a no lynch

[Toto]

So his only real push has been luv but it could easily be a scum tunnel. He is not trying to get more info and sort them out. He just votes and doesnt interact with them

[checkersman7]

dude answer my question
what are you expecting to see from desperado that you aren't here, and show me an example where you HAVE seen it.

[Ginngie]

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oops

[Ginngie]

Like for real, read the first 10 ISO posts

[Ginngie]

that's what we expect

[Ginngie]

You have this game

"LUV needs to dieeeeeeeee"


vs

town him
"would LUV do this?"
"Hey LUV what you think..."

[checkersman7]

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[Toto]

You pushing people around and ask them questions to try to understand their point of view for example. When you think someone is scum you dont just vote them and disappear without trying to sort them out.

I know this is playstyle related but I havent seen anything I can point to and say yeah this looks like town trying to figure things out. Bulbread being the onlu exception but it reads more like a show to make it appear as such (see spidy senses above)

[checkersman7]

Ok yes but I am a very very different player than Desperado so I don't see why you're saying he's scum because he isn't playin like me

by that logic most of the game is scum (well a good number of people are going to be honorary scum but that's besides the point)

[Toto]

No, I can see people questioning each other with different playstyles in a way that looks that they are trying to sort people out.

I already acknowledged that. Can you point to me to a post you think is townie and explain why?

Like if I squint I can see town apathy which is why Im basically begging desperado to play the game and stop the attitude if it is not fake. But how he is playing is how I see me playing scum in my previous scum game.

[checkersman7]

I don't think Desp "i have a meta tell on bulb oh wait no i think he's town" is scum Desp