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Post Post #17 (isolation #0) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:48 pm

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Hard claiming that I will be confirmed town tomorrow
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Post Post #19 (isolation #1) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:54 pm

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Post Post #93 (isolation #2) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:23 am

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In post 41, Espeonage wrote:
my role on is not in the opening post


Discuss.

This is completely serious.
I don't understand this. The only role on the opening post is VT???
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Post Post #94 (isolation #3) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:25 am

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In post 67, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:This is a fight that doesn’t need to happen right now.
this right here
While true, it minimized RVS, which can be done by both town and scum, the way this was heading seemed useless and cloggy. Could potentially be SvS theatre IMO
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Post Post #95 (isolation #4) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:27 am

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Arch's vote was weird. Una why do I already SR you.
I find post 71 weird in the context of post 70.
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Post Post #101 (isolation #5) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:52 am

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Sounds good. Now, can you tell me what you think of Una?
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Post Post #103 (isolation #6) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:54 am

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In post 100, Espeonage wrote:Ok serious vote now seeing as there's enough people in thread for it to not have been circumstantial.

Vote: Archwing


The backtrack on the scumread on me and subsequent denial is a scum that got caught completely off guard, fucked up and then didn't want to admit they were wrong. I pushed really hard with my questioning to see if they were just confused or actually messed it up, but the constant lying and deflection and half answers leads me to believe it is scum.

I also don't like Jay, but that's really weak.

Uzi and Smart can go townpool for the moment.
I can kinda see Jay/Arch but at the same time I'm super conflicted on Arch
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Post Post #104 (isolation #7) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:55 am

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Why do you say it's too early? He has game-related posts. LUV has 1 post, and even then, I don't see how you can make a read there and not with Una
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Post Post #126 (isolation #8) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:21 pm

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In post 124, Quick wrote:
In post 20, Quick wrote:
In post 17, WhyMafia wrote:Hard claiming that I will be confirmed town tomorrow
Is that like a IC delayed until D2 or something?
Just quoting this to see if WhyMafia is full of shit or not.
Why does it matter to you?
VOTE: Quick
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Post Post #131 (isolation #9) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:36 pm

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In post 128, Quick wrote:
In post 126, WhyMafia wrote:
In post 124, Quick wrote:
In post 20, Quick wrote:
In post 17, WhyMafia wrote:Hard claiming that I will be confirmed town tomorrow
Is that like a IC delayed until D2 or something?
Just quoting this to see if WhyMafia is full of shit or not.
Why does it matter to you?
VOTE: Quick
Uh... Why do you think???
If I'm gambiting town, I get to eat the NK from potentially a PR
If I'm telling the truth, you'll find out tomorrow
If I'm scum and have not been confirmed town, you lynch me based on the play

Why in any of these scenarios would you want a definitive answer
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Post Post #132 (isolation #10) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:36 pm

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In post 130, Dunkerdoodles wrote:don't like this
Can you elaborate?
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Post Post #171 (isolation #11) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:41 pm

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In post 133, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i mean it might just be me but i hate gambits and not answering his question is scummy
How is it harming town? Did I outline all possibilities?
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Post Post #172 (isolation #12) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:43 pm

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In post 144, Quick wrote:
In post 131, WhyMafia wrote:
In post 128, Quick wrote:
In post 126, WhyMafia wrote:
In post 124, Quick wrote:
In post 20, Quick wrote:
In post 17, WhyMafia wrote:Hard claiming that I will be confirmed town tomorrow
Is that like a IC delayed until D2 or something?
Just quoting this to see if WhyMafia is full of shit or not.
Why does it matter to you?
VOTE: Quick
Uh... Why do you think???
If I'm gambiting town, I get to eat the NK from potentially a PR
If I'm telling the truth, you'll find out tomorrow
If I'm scum and have not been confirmed town, you lynch me based on the play

Why in any of these scenarios would you want a definitive answer
Since when is WIFOM good for Town?
Is all WIFOM bad for town? Like please outline how I'm harming town
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Post Post #173 (isolation #13) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:43 pm

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Completely null on Boon
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Post Post #228 (isolation #14) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:43 am

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Una why do you TR quick
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Post Post #236 (isolation #15) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:42 am

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Espionage I have a question
Why do we even have to lynch you based on the claim? Why can’t we just judge you for your play and sort you like normally
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Post Post #377 (isolation #16) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:08 am

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In post 366, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 0, beeboy wrote:You get a role PM and you are playing mafia. Do you groan or giggle in your seat?
In post 2, Kmd4390 wrote:I go "Oh God why did I do this?" and spend the whole game hoping it ends soon and then when it does I join another one.
Me right now.
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Post Post #378 (isolation #17) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:09 am

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Guys I played as miller fairly recently
Just treat the miller as you would with any other player. Judge them on their play. If they act scummy, we pressure them, if they don't, we let em live
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Post Post #381 (isolation #18) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:21 am

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In post 376, Archwing wrote:What are the town miller advantages of claiming miller d1?
It prevents a quick lynch if there's an invest
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Post Post #384 (isolation #19) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:13 pm

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Instead of bashing my intelligence why don't you tell me why I'm wrong
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Post Post #385 (isolation #20) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:15 pm

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@Boon I'm referring to this game: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73273

In that game, I retracted by like page 10 I believe. It was an RVS gimmick
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Post Post #455 (isolation #21) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:14 am

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I claimed miller d1 as town miller .... and became an obv town slot
Why tf can’t we just judge ESP on his play? If he’s scummy we’ll lynch him lol

I don’t like how TChill and SS are continuing to bicker. I feel like one of them is a scum buddy with someone who is a leading wagon. They’re doing an awfully fine job at distracting us
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Post Post #486 (isolation #22) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:06 am

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Unpopular opinion
I think both Arch and Jay are town, but more comfortable with my Arch read
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Post Post #487 (isolation #23) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:07 am

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In post 468, Quick wrote:
In post 450, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 446, Tchill13 wrote:He's a claimed Miller. A NEGATIVE town utility. Do I think he's scum? He could be. I've explained the motivation if he was. Either way we're lynching a suspect in my book. I'd like for everyone to take a hard stance on this circumstance. I obviously have.
Do you not agree though that at this point the negative utility for town is extremely slight? All it means is that a cop can't check him. But by lynching him we're not removing any negative utility, as a cop certainly can't check him if he's dead.
In post 447, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 445, Something_Smart wrote:Why is town in a worse position to lynch scum while Espe is alive?
If I have a "must kill before lylo" list then at some point I'll have to deal with it. Sooner is always better than later in mafia.
That is a self-defeating argument. If we have a choice between options X and Y, then it works equally in favor of doing X sooner rather than later as of doing Y sooner rather than later.
There will ALWAYS be WIFOM around the Espe slot. And not the good kind where it confuses Scum. It's the bad kind that confuses Town. There is no reason to let Espe live because they might be Town because they also might be Scum.
Isn't this true with everyone though? Like the only difference between a miller and no miller is that the non-miller may get a credible invest result.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #24) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:22 am

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In post 463, UC Voyager wrote:
In post 462, Archwing wrote:@ucv
-I find it funny cause last game I finished with you, as scum, I tried pushing that activity was AI. obviously failed, and with reason. Now you're questioning me on it, and I'm really wondering why. People in this thread have already stated they come on ~once a day at most.
@uzi
tbh I kinda gut scumread him at the start and he nothing he's done has gotten rid of it. I should honestly go re-read his stuff, but I probably won't until d2 so I can see a flip and see what connections I can make with that. there's no reality in which whymaf is getting d1 lynched anyways. I guess his stuff, to me, has had an edge that I don't particularly find super helpful to town, but then again, you guys have like 3098320 times the meta info on him that I don't. meh. like I said... i'll wait for d2.

Can other people input on esp? What do people think about Elsa? If both of those are not your lynch targets, who is?
I was just questioning you. I wasn't scum reading you or anything.

why did you just get super defensive and hostile when i ask you one question?
UC besides this, why else do you scum read Arch?
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Post Post #504 (isolation #25) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:00 pm

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SS
Two things
A) Can you respond to why you scum read me
B) Why do you think Ari is viable as a Day 1 Lynch
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Post Post #584 (isolation #26) » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:30 pm

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I promise I'll post more by tomorrow at latest if not within a few hours
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Post Post #661 (isolation #27) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:35 pm

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In post 533, Tchill13 wrote:Nobody has taken a hard stance on the matter since I asked. So I'll politely ask again that yall do.
I made my opinion clear on this
idec if he lives to LYLO
I don't get what the big deal of being invest immune is
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Post Post #662 (isolation #28) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:37 pm

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In post 564, Something_Smart wrote:Quick lynch
I don't think this is lynch bait. I have more the feeling that scum are bussing Quick rn because while there's been substantial pressure on the other names, there's been little to nothing on Quick
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Post Post #663 (isolation #29) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:39 pm

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In post 607, Quick wrote:Ari looks like Scum. All I see is an agenda in his posts so far. He's not really sorting anyone just labeling people Scum/Town.
Can you please explain what you mean by agenda?
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Post Post #664 (isolation #30) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:41 pm

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In post 623, UnaBombaH wrote:@Boon - do you "accept" or agree to Esp.'s analysis on your interaction with him?
In post 521, Espeonage wrote:In regards to my interactions with Flavour. I stopped scumreading him pretty quickly in to it.

And started townreading him with the easy transition in tone which he realised my grilling was over.

We talked ourselves in a corner so it may have been relief so it's not a hard townread, but a town lean.
..and what on earth was this about:
In post 575, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 553, Something_Smart wrote:I think Una is saying that he thinks somebody ELSE is a role that could corroborate Espe.
I think this is why Una is pinging me, mixed in with general thought process. It’s exactly what I did when you claimed miller. However, that’s not necessarily scummy in practice.

I’m scum leaning you Una. Talk to me.
..because this was pinging my scumradar.
You are one of the better players on site who I have crossed paths with, and I think you if anyone should be able to read me.
I'm still to play "actual scum" in a game with you, but I have seen your town- and scum-plays. As Flavor Leaf, Boon and other alts.
You were even able to read me "correctly" or at least better than most in that stupid large I was a Traitor in.
Everyone else (who had played with me) was almost ready to townbin me D1, except for you.
So you misreading me or my intentions here worries me.

My previous posting with chill should be a very familiar concept from me, and you not catching on to it means that either you haven't read my posts, or you are scum :]
In other words - you should be above scumreading me this game. :lol:
(I'll be my usual lynchbaity self when people stop providing content and I get bored and start to force it)
Una were you frustrated when you wrote this?
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Post Post #665 (isolation #31) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:42 pm

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In post 648, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 643, JaydragonKing wrote:That feel when your a noob but everyone elsa around you is using meta strategies from having multiple games together.

If I was scum, I really would have been fucked.

If you Mainstays on this site could kindly use evidence from this game instead of previous experience with that player for your case, so someone such as myself can make an informed decision, that would be wonderful.
Hi! Sorry you feel left out!

That stuff is optional, but it does help us get a better perspective. That said, it still is (or should be) combined with evidence from the game. For instance, I scumread Ari because he's not posting a lot and what he does post is shallow and easily faked. This is corroborated by the experience I have with him, but that experience is by no means a requirement for understanding the read.

If you're referring to the miller talk, all you can really do is use your own reasoning. All of us come from different backgrounds and also have different philosophies regarding the game, so there is a lot of talking past each other. In the end it's a matter of opinion anyway.
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Post Post #667 (isolation #32) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:43 pm

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In post 666, Quick wrote:
In post 662, WhyMafia wrote:
In post 564, Something_Smart wrote:Quick lynch
I don't think this is lynch bait. I have more the feeling that scum are bussing Quick rn because while there's been substantial pressure on the other names, there's been little to nothing on Quick
Oh, this HAS to be based on gut because I know you can't make this case.
Gut as in that post? If so, yes

Gut as in my scum read? No

Glad you're here. I wanna ask you a few things
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Post Post #673 (isolation #33) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:58 pm

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In post 131, WhyMafia wrote:
In post 128, Quick wrote:
In post 126, WhyMafia wrote:
In post 124, Quick wrote:
In post 20, Quick wrote:
In post 17, WhyMafia wrote:Hard claiming that I will be confirmed town tomorrow
Is that like a IC delayed until D2 or something?
Just quoting this to see if WhyMafia is full of shit or not.
Why does it matter to you?
VOTE: Quick
Uh... Why do you think???
If I'm gambiting town, I get to eat the NK from potentially a PR
If I'm telling the truth, you'll find out tomorrow
If I'm scum and have not been confirmed town, you lynch me based on the play

Why in any of these scenarios would you want a definitive answer
In post 131, WhyMafia wrote:
In post 128, Quick wrote:
In post 126, WhyMafia wrote:
In post 124, Quick wrote:
In post 20, Quick wrote:
In post 17, WhyMafia wrote:Hard claiming that I will be confirmed town tomorrow
Is that like a IC delayed until D2 or something?
Just quoting this to see if WhyMafia is full of shit or not.
Why does it matter to you?
VOTE: Quick
Uh... Why do you think???
If I'm gambiting town, I get to eat the NK from potentially a PR
If I'm telling the truth, you'll find out tomorrow
If I'm scum and have not been confirmed town, you lynch me based on the play

Why in any of these scenarios would you want a definitive answer
I don't like how you sidestepped my question with your response in
To me it seems that this is a post that could set up a mis-lynch in the future. Can you go through your mindset on why you said this?
In why do you think it's an agenda

Also:
Clearly you and Tchill aren't convincing the majority of town. Who do you think is manipulating us? Why aren't you focused on convincing others that you're right? Your main argument has been with SS. To me, it doesn't seem like you're trying your hardest to get that lynch through.
Furthermore, by making the miller claim a centerpoint for discussion despite realizing that this lynch in all likelihood won't happen, you're causing less scum hunting to take place and putting your vote on a vanity wagon
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Post Post #674 (isolation #34) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:59 pm

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In post 670, Quick wrote:
In post 661, WhyMafia wrote:
In post 533, Tchill13 wrote:Nobody has taken a hard stance on the matter since I asked. So I'll politely ask again that yall do.
I made my opinion clear on this
idec if he lives to LYLO
I don't get what the big deal of being invest immune is
I think you are too dumb to be Scum at this point.
Like see, stuff like this

If you're town, you're fucking isolating the people you can work with anyways
Like come the future, if both of us are alive, we need to work together. Like clearly we disagree, and clearly you're not doing a good job explaining why we're wrong
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Post Post #677 (isolation #35) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:04 pm

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In post 675, Tchill13 wrote:I never argue to argue with one person. I argue for others to clearly understand my position on a matter. If we don't Lynch the Miller claim on day 1 we start this game off on the wrong foot. My intention was never to convince those who have already made up there mind. It's to convince those who haven't posted or didn't partake. Whymafia you haven't scum hunted at all. When you point one finger there's four pointing back at you.
Tchill ...
I town read you? Your play compared to Quick has a sharp contrast.
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Post Post #678 (isolation #36) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:05 pm

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Additionally, I will be confirmed town tomorrow and I've been busy
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