Mini Normal 1969 - Blessed Mafia (Werewolf Win)

[Tchill13]

well this is the thing. idc if he volunteers tomorrow. things happen between now and tomorrow. things that can keep him from getting lynched. thats the beauty of mafia. thats why scum do what they can to survive "just one more day". anything can happen between now and tomorrow. From espeonage's pov anything that can keep him from getting lynched is what he's hoping for. Rest assured he'll repeat he's willing to FOR SURE be lynched tomorrow... key word tomorrow.

[Something_Smart]

From espeonage's pov anything that can keep him from getting lynched is what he's hoping for.

you make it sound like he didn't expect people to want to policy him when he claimed miller.

if we wanted to keep from getting lynched, he could have NOT CLAIMED MILLER.

[Tchill13]

ok... once again... If i'm scum i say im miller day 1.

"day 2 you can lynch me....oh well if there's a vig he can just shoot me instead. vig shoot me N2 lets lynch so and so he's scum for sure."

D3 " guess there's no vig lets lynch me... oh this thing happened? well now we have to lynch so and so. lynch me tomorrow."

and so on and so on until lylo. If he's scum. If he's town we're getting rid of a negative town utility early asap. he's the lynch. sorry not sorry.

[Tchill13]

From espeonage's pov anything that can keep him from getting lynched is what he's hoping for.

you make it sound like he didn't expect people to want to policy him when he claimed miller.

if we wanted to keep from getting lynched, he could have NOT CLAIMED MILLER.

all ik from his play is he definitely doesnt want to get lynched day 1. which if he's town doesn't make sense because we're getting rid of something thats a hindrance to town day 1. How does this not make sense to you people?

[Something_Smart]

Kind of a shot in the dark here but I feel like scum are a BIT more of a hindrance to town than a miller is.

[Tchill13]

ok. whos scum and why? right now tell me. Because i can tell you one player ik for sure is a hindrance to town whether his claim is real or fake. Thats espeonage. Now who's scum and why?

[Something_Smart]

Ask me in 12 days.

[Tchill13]

great great point there.... not like i was expecting something smart anyways (giggles to self)

[Something_Smart]

And you know what, I can qualify that even more.

Scummy townies are hindrances to town too. So every lynch will remove a hindrance to town. With a miller, there are other things that can make his claim more or less likely, like the flipping of certain roles (And there are some roles that can still outright clear him, notably rolecop).

Miller is a very tiny hindrance to town once claimed. The only negative result is that if a cop happened to want to investigate him, they wouldn't be able to. That's very minor.

I agree with you that it is, in general, a bad idea to let miller claims live until LYLO. If he begins to show survivalistic tendencies in the next few days, then I may be willing to vote there.

But there's no reason it has to be today.

[Something_Smart]

And you keep framing it as though he's trying to worm his way out of a difficult situation. If scum, he got himself into that situation in the first place. Why would he do that, especially when his softclaim was generally well received?

[Tchill13]

i hate to tell you this but if scum is a miller they'll do and say whatever to not "show" survivalistic tendencies. THAT is the reason it has to be today.

[Something_Smart]

You just described said survivalistic tendencies in 427, clearly people must be able to detect them or they'd fail in getting people not to lynch him.

Plus, he outright said he'd selfvote tomorrow. If he doesn't, then there's one...

[Tchill13]

And you keep framing it as though he's trying to worm his way out of a difficult situation. If scum, he got himself into that situation in the first place. Why would he do that, especially when his softclaim was generally well received?

he'd do that because if not for me nobody would even be questioning. so IF he's scum it would have worked like he wanted.

[Something_Smart]

He brought it up himself though.

[Tchill13]

then he said dont lynch me until day 2.

[Something_Smart]

Yes, he did. So if on Day 2, he says, "actually, you shouldn't lynch me until day 3...", do you think that would be well received?

[Tchill13]

It's mafia dude... anything can happen... you dont seem to understand that.

[Something_Smart]

Coming from one person who's made endgame after fakeclaiming miller to another, I think it's well understood.

But your argument doesn't make sense. You're saying town should lynch him now because they might suddenly become dumb and decide not to lynch him later. If this were a town that would refuse to lynch the miller claim D2 or D3, could you really expect them to lynch it D1?

I don't know if I'm explaining this in the best way, but there's definitely some logical fallacy going on. If you could pick the lynch, you'd probably lynch Espe D2 or D3. But you're assuming that you won't be able to pick the lynch on those days because "anything can happen", so you believe that you can pick the lynch on D1.

Does that make sense?

[Tchill13]

It does make sense. If I could pick the Lynch I would Lynch him d1. It's all about putting town in the best position to Lynch scum successfully.

[Espeonage]

It does make sense. If I could pick the Lynch I would Lynch him d1. It's all about putting town in the best position to Lynch scum successfully.

So you think I'm scum?

[Something_Smart]

Why is town in a worse position to lynch scum while Espe is alive?

[Tchill13]

He's a claimed Miller. A NEGATIVE town utility. Do I think he's scum? He could be. I've explained the motivation if he was. Either way we're lynching a suspect in my book. I'd like for everyone to take a hard stance on this circumstance. I obviously have.

[Tchill13]

Why is town in a worse position to lynch scum while Espe is alive?

If I have a "must kill before lylo" list then at some point I'll have to deal with it. Sooner is always better than later in mafia.

[UnaBombaH]

It's finnish independence day (100 years!!), so I'll be off until tomorrow.

[Tchill13]

happy holiday