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A thousand apologies, your majesty. Please accept this as a token of my appreciation.In post 68, JaydragonKing wrote:VOTE: Archwing because he is disrupting the peaceful nature of Pen Island as well as going after my second in command.
Into the Volcano with you!
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I feel like Espeon has been shitposting to basically end RVS before it starts. Which is meh. I think that's kind of clear. I think your digging into it is interesting though.In post 71, UnaBombaH wrote:
This post pinged me.In post 54, Espeonage wrote:I'm not a vanilla townie.
I have so far softclaimed three times and two alignments.
Why do you feel the need to make it so stupidly obvious that you have claimed?
You also followed up on your first softing with a "Discuss.", meaning that you want to see peoples reaction to it, but by begging for it (and by being so very noisy about it) you won't get many genuine reactions.
I'd say you are not an investigative role, but more along the lines of IC/mason or BP/commuter.
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Claims. That should be plural.In post 77, UnaBombaH wrote:
You can nitpick anything if you want to.In post 73, Archwing wrote:I feel like Espeon has been shitposting to basically end RVS before it starts. Which is meh. I think that's kind of clear. I think your digging into it is interesting though.
Sometimes that unlocks conversation.
I don't think Esp was necessarily "shitposting", even if his claim might not have been 100% truthful
Espeonage wrote:I'm not a vanilla townie.
I have so far softclaimed three times and two alignments.- Archwing
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It was never a scumread. It was a push on you since we were both online at the same time, and I was having some fun with what you were saying. You softclaimed 3 different things, one of which was "maybe' mafia. I honestly never had a legitimate scumread on you. You can interpret that as lying, but I said what I said as a replacement to RVS. I admitted that I thought you aren't scum, which I still stand by. I don't really understand what half answers and deflection you're talking about, but let me clear this up for you:In post 100, Espeonage wrote:Ok serious vote now seeing as there's enough people in thread for it to not have been circumstantial.
Vote: Archwing
The backtrack on the scumread on me and subsequent denial is a scum that got caught completely off guard, fucked up and then didn't want to admit they were wrong. I pushed really hard with my questioning to see if they were just confused or actually messed it up, but the constant lying and deflection and half answers leads me to believe it is scum.
I also don't like Jay, but that's really weak.
Uzi and Smart can go townpool for the moment.
I am not scum.
I do not think you are scum.
If I have not answered anything else you want me to, let me know.
As for the rest of you...
scumleans on Una and Whymaf. (serious)
null on everyone else until they post more. slight townlean on elsa.
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This.In post 135, Dunkerdoodles wrote:activity is NAI- Archwing
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i retract townlean on elsa. this is scummy imo.In post 140, JaydragonKing wrote:It may be NAI, but I think I speak for atleast a few others here and want something solid on every single player here.
His only post was an introduction. I want more. And I'd go for the player in slot 8 (PeregrineV) but appearantly they haven't even accepted their PM into the game.
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explain?In post 145, Flavor Leaf wrote:Early green read on WhyMafia.- Archwing
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Fair analysis. Why do you like manipulating WIFOM as town? As someone earlier pointed out, I only have 5 completed games, so maybe not as much exposure as the entire rest of the player list, buuuut, I've never found it helpful.
pedit; I find it scummy because you seem eager to bring others into conversation in a very short window of time. On the surface, yes it is impatient. I see it as you're laying groundwork for a potential mislynch.
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I didn't call you scum because you unvoted me. I called you scum because you were being scummy.In post 175, JaydragonKing wrote:Ooooh. That makes me sense.
I can take my vote of of you, but the last time I did that for Archwing he eventually started calling me scum.- Archwing
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OKAY. quick update all.
so, boon has townlean on me, although his back and forth with esp was ridiculous and I never want to read it again. although I will probably have to.
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240 from Elsa was some blatant, explicit sheeping. much dislike, regardless if the vote is on me or anyone else. Form your own reads.
252 also from Elsa was terrible. Again, this has nothing to do with me being the target, and more about the logic behind it is atrocious.
204 from Smart kinda pinged me as odd, but I'll leave it for the time being.
so, theory question: I've never played with a miller.... and obviously, miller can never be confirmed town. So because of that, we must then kill the miller? I forget who said it, but someone referenced a thing where they said "Normals can have miller without cop" but then wtf is the point of a miller? makes no sense. Where I'm going with this, is: regardless of what esp has claimed/said.... what is the best course of action to handle a claimed miller?
What are the town miller advantages of claiming miller d1?
obviously some of you boon babes here have successfully gambitted a miller d1 claim as scum, but what about town..?
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And why do you want to die before lylo?In post 390, Espeonage wrote:
No you claim Miller day 1 so you die before lylo.In post 383, Tchill13 wrote:Not sure why I thought town would do the smart thing and Lynch the Miller claim... That's literally why you claim Miller D1. Whatever.- Archwing
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Activity tells are bullshit.In post 134, JaydragonKing wrote:I don't know if anyone else here clicks on the activity overview, but there's a huge margin between me and Arch - tied with the second most at 14 - and Espeonage at 41.
Holy fuck.
But now I'm more worried about the silent ones. Aristophanes, the guy with his name in green text, stood out the most with literally only one post at the beginning.
He's lurking and that's scary.
Implying I scum read them because they took their vote off me? Please. You're being scum read because you're being scummy.In post 175, JaydragonKing wrote:Ooooh. That makes me sense.
I can take my vote of of you, but the last time I did that for Archwing he eventually started calling me scum.
This post pings me. If you're calling out two of your scumreads, you should probably push one instead of doing nothing. Scum, or terrible town.In post 220, JaydragonKing wrote:@Quick - I had read the format wiki and read general combinations they commonly used before I signed up for the normal Queue. I think it was "C9" something. It said 2-2-9, and where I learned there could be two separate mafia teams in the first place. Either that, or a Serial Killer.
And I should try to figure out who's lying between Archwing and Espeonage, but since I'm scumlean for the both of them anyway, I'm going to peacefully observe them try and kill each other.
@Tchill13 - Love your Avatar by the way. Reading your post in Tyrion's voice makes it perfect.
Explicit admitting of sheeping.In post 240, JaydragonKing wrote:Everybody is talking about murdering again while I sleep.
My alignment is town. I will follow the Majority. Unless said majority already wants to kill me.
@Una - I was joking around, considering acidphoenix had a litten icon and you were after each other. Your already trying to hard to distance yourself from me. If I was actually scum, I'd say you were my scum partner. Even saying you wouldn't lose sleep over it? Unnecessary.
I trust Quick much more then I trust Espeonage. I would think the person with 50+ posts already would have a more solid town read. Miller claim either way would buy them another day, and most Vigilantes, I think, wouldn't shoot them.
But if we're settling what we're doing today...
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This is such bad logic I don't really know how you get here. This is scum pushing a mislynch.In post 252, JaydragonKing wrote:Myself, Una, Espeonage, Tchill, AND doodle still have a vote on Archwing by the way, in case you've forgotten.
If he has five votes already on day 1, odds are he's not town.
And again pushing the mislynch.In post 257, JaydragonKing wrote:Well, Aristophanes, if somebody was able to be so suspicious that a third of the town has already decided he's evil - and a few of those five think some of the others are scummy - If we DID let him go now, what do you think is likely to happen? That he can magically gain the trust of the town back after such a blundering day 1?
He's either a mafia or a suspicious vanilla townie, and with it being day one, we can afford the mistake.
@Assemble, we're over 250 posts in, would it be fine to ask for an official vote count? I'd rather you check my math and confirm the other votes as well.
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-I find it funny cause last game I finished with you, as scum, I tried pushing that activity was AI. obviously failed, and with reason. Now you're questioning me on it, and I'm really wondering why. People in this thread have already stated they come on ~once a day at most.
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tbh I kinda gut scumread him at the start and he nothing he's done has gotten rid of it. I should honestly go re-read his stuff, but I probably won't until d2 so I can see a flip and see what connections I can make with that. there's no reality in which whymaf is getting d1 lynched anyways. I guess his stuff, to me, has had an edge that I don't particularly find super helpful to town, but then again, you guys have like 3098320 times the meta info on him that I don't. meh. like I said... i'll wait for d2.
Can other people input on esp? What do people think about Elsa? If both of those are not your lynch targets, who is?- Archwing
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Accusing Uzi of what oh dear Elsa? If you're so worried about creating "noise" then stop making noise and scum hunt. You're fixated on me, and won't look at anyone else. You're not even my d1 lynch candidate, and I've got a secondary to you. So I think I'm doing well enough for town. Cant say the same for you.- Archwing
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Care to explain the vote, Smart?
Lol. UCV, I honestly think you're town here in this game. But like, help town out by actually reading the game. Important stuff has happened. Sure, ~15 pages of content isn't just a couple minutes of catching up, but we need you to do it so you know where we are coming from. Don't let others bias your opinions on events you haven't witnessed.In post 491, UC Voyager wrote:
mostly gut.In post 490, WhyMafia wrote:
UC besides this, why else do you scum read Arch?In post 463, UC Voyager wrote:
I was just questioning you. I wasn't scum reading you or anything.In post 462, Archwing wrote:@ucv
-I find it funny cause last game I finished with you, as scum, I tried pushing that activity was AI. obviously failed, and with reason. Now you're questioning me on it, and I'm really wondering why. People in this thread have already stated they come on ~once a day at most.
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tbh I kinda gut scumread him at the start and he nothing he's done has gotten rid of it. I should honestly go re-read his stuff, but I probably won't until d2 so I can see a flip and see what connections I can make with that. there's no reality in which whymaf is getting d1 lynched anyways. I guess his stuff, to me, has had an edge that I don't particularly find super helpful to town, but then again, you guys have like 3098320 times the meta info on him that I don't. meh. like I said... i'll wait for d2.
Can other people input on esp? What do people think about Elsa? If both of those are not your lynch targets, who is?
why did you just get super defensive and hostile when i ask you one question?
I have seen Arch as scum before in a game. one that was a rather intense and one that really stressed me out because i was conf town, and I had to decide if he was scum or not. since then, i don't know how to trust him.Spoiler:
there is also a few more "real reasons", but I got stuff to do atm, so later today hopefully
Now with regards to our micro... I'm going to take that as a compliment to my scum game, which I think you are overstating here, because the way in which I carried myself then was much more tight IMO than how I'm playing here. Regardless, with only 1 scum game for meta, I don't think that's a super viable method to base a read off of me, let alone a better reason than any scum tells this game. So, that being said, if you are scum reading me right now, why? Or are you just edgy around me because I was scum before? Because if that is the case, that is a shit reason and you should probably move along or create a new alt every game you play, so no one knows it's you.- Archwing
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In post 485, Quick wrote:Archwing wagon looks pretty bad rn.
i find the timing of this following Assemble's VC interesting.In post 494, Dunkerdoodles wrote:UNVOTE: for now
i agree ucv is solid town
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This is the only claim I found.. this the one you're referring to?In post 17, WhyMafia wrote:Hard claiming that I will be confirmed town tomorrow- Archwing
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I do. Where do you stand on esp and Elsa?In post 503, Something_Smart wrote:What does that mean? Do you have lynches lined up for the first two days already?- Archwing
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In post 525, UC Voyager wrote:493 Has some slight buddying. You need to admit, there is currently no reason to think im town because i have not done much so far. After i start to scum read him, He gets a little friendly and it seems artificial.
There is no reality in which I am buddying you UCV. Remember earlier when someone had pointed out that you were being too scummy to be scum? Yeah. That.
398, 456 here he says that we should lynch esp, then says unless we go for someone else then makes a case on them in 458. you would think that he would make a case on the person he was voting
Where is my vote right now? On esp. Because that is who I want to lynch. And I said my secondary target in post 456, and then in 457 you asked me to explain it, and now you call my response in 458 a scumtell? WTF kind of logic is that?
55 Is this a joke, dumbtell, open wolfing? I HAVE NO IDEA, but it is ringing alarms
So esp and I have already hashed this out. Like i said earlier, do yourself (AND TOWN) a favor and actually read the thread. You're embarrassing yourself
[post]500[/post seems like he is trying to seem like he has nothing to worry about.
Still waiting for a response to this, by the way. Stop avoiding my questions
so far, none of his posts shows any signs of town hunting. a little scum hunting, but no town hunting is happening. It really makes me think the slot is scum.
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Not blessed.
Quick game theory question... Maybe Tchill would be best to answer this... Do we also lynch claimed Miller d2? If we take at face value, una and boon, we now have 2 more conf towns.
Also, I know its been briefly addressed, but I wanna echo that nk'ing LUV was a weird play. It makes sense why WM died though. Unless like others suggested... Vig or SK exist. Is there any benefit to a vig claim? I would think not this early in the game.- Archwing
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How do we know if we are blessed or not?In post 881, Flavor Leaf wrote:Who still needs to claim blessed or not blessed?
UC and Ari?
Can’t remember if Quick specifically said it, but I’m assuming he wasn’t blessed.
My votes essentially on Tchill. Trying out the Derpy strategy and not voting often. I’ll probably throw my vote down more than he does, though.
I like this, but im maybe scumleaning UCV for itIn post 886, JaydragonKing wrote:It says so in WhyMafia's role. You can click on it to confirm. but since you didn't even know that, either your mafia lying about it, or your a simple townie who didn't read into the death of a comrade.
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This x 1000. Ari is the only one left to claim right? Which means either conf town, if blessed, or fakeclaim blessed and ari is scum.In post 911, Flavor Leaf wrote:Now do you guys see what I’m saying with the blessed, not blessed thing? If we had a blessed come out, that would have been a conf townie. If we don’t, then we basically know Why targeted scum, and it’s looking like the latter.
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I feel like chill has basically created a shit ton of wifom. Phone posting, so sorry if formatting is shit. Basically,
Optimal play is always lynch claimed Miller
Does it, regardless of who esp is.
Now we are in d2, and he still is able to say it was optimal play
He's able to say that it was not scum motivated, although scum!chill sees this as the PERFECT mislynch.
Town!chill just thinks it's optimal.
I have intent to place my vote today on chill. I think this game slowed down a lot though today.- Archwing
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Either this is our next conftown, or scum!Ari is trying to avoid being today's lynch.In post 948, Aristophanes wrote:Okay, well I was blessed. That was me trying to acknowledge it.
I still have to read up. Sorry about that!
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In post 1022, UnaBombaH wrote:Like, FFS Boon.
Let's assume WhyMafia DIDN'T get to crumb D1, fine.
HE WOULD STILL TARGET A PERSON THAT HE THINKS IS SURELY TOWN, OR WHO HE HAS HINTED AT THE VERY LEAST.
There should be no way around this, everyone should understand it.
If you were to get a role such as his, you would pick a target that you think is surely town - why would you risk it with Ari?
And since no one else has claimed blessed, he targeted scum.
Yeah I'm really getting into this here. I'm not really sure why WM would target Ari with almost no content. Chill makes so much more sense as his target.
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In post 543, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm not sure how to communicate this to everyone, but I sort of..know..we shouldn't lynch Esp D1.
I do not claim power (yet), but I just feel like it's obvious..In post 548, UnaBombaH wrote:I'll throw you guys a bone: the name of the game..
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Not saying you don't. But voting (from YPOV) a 100% scum >>> voting a scum read. But that's just me.In post 1188, Everyone Else wrote:
Because I have rights?In post 1186, Archwing wrote:Hi, you scum?
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Dunker is in my lynch pool, so I am fine with a Dunker lynch today. I don't really see why firstly, Chill is so adamant on rushing through day 2 here... secondly, why he didn't make any acknowledgement of the "guilty"... he rather just says he doesn't believe the cop claim, IF it's a taco alt. says nothing about the actual "guilty" there.
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