Mini Normal 1964 - Hell Is 56k Dialup - Endgame!

[Katyusha]

in that case should the vig out if they don't give us another ML?

my answer that i just realized is no since they have a chance of getting another opportunity to shoot scum if they fuck up lylo/mylo nvm lol

8 are alive

right now, yes

13 - 5 = 8 are alive today

8 - 1 mislynch - 1 misvig - 1 scumkill = 5

[Katyusha]

so in the case of 5way mislynch the vig should holster

[Katyusha]

r u tokin it up @ work

[Katyusha]

in what world is bp self aware


also in class owo

[Katyusha]

is it bad that i'd like a massclaim bc if theres a protective theyre probably not in the clears

or do we resolve that tomorrow

[Katyusha]

^ i mostly only care about trans and schadd's opinion

[Katyusha]

ok

it's probably srceen then but let's wait for cc's etc

[Katyusha]

like srceen is in no way an optimal kill

trans should be the kill 100% of the time, if you want to guess for vig though then get schadd_

there is literally no other kill that makes sense from a mechanical standpoint

[Katyusha]

Waveplay's claim has me squinting my eyes btw, 2 shot bp in a 13 player game? And why is he self aware?

i mean i agree but

basically a jk guilty + the likelihood he's lying about some part of the claim and is still town is reasonable

[Katyusha]

like srceen is in no way an optimal kill

trans should be the kill 100% of the time, if you want to guess for vig though then get schadd_

there is literally no other kill that makes sense from a mechanical standpoint

wave is bp claim

i'm md cleared from being vig so scum shouldn't shoot me

with nsg being town the lynchpool obviously opens up beyond just uzi/dunn, so scum should expect it to widen to havo/srceen/uzi/dunn

you dont shoot in the lynchpool when you have 2 mislynches to roll with (and now 3)

[Katyusha]

If Uc is mafia here I think he'd be with Firaja

ok this is something i neglected to mention that made me think it was nsg but now that i double checked the line i actually reversed the people

so like low key i think this could be zach trying to setup associatives after a partner flip

[Katyusha]

srceen do you have anything important to say before i demand town lets me soviet hammer

i think it's pretty plain now that this is today's lynch unless someone has reason we dont listen to a guilty when there's 1 scum left

[Katyusha]

the self aware bp is probably in place to make JK guilties more obvious

[Katyusha]

the self aware bp is probably in place to make JK guilties more obvious

town is still really too powerful to justify three goons though??

even without the motion detector

[Katyusha]

i think keychain is worth strongmanning then

definitely the biggest threat in the table and a likely protect

[Katyusha]

order should be:

srceen
dunn
havo
luv
wave
trans
schadd
me

and any of u who thought you were slick fakeclaimers should rescind that this go around....

[Katyusha]

sorry north

[Katyusha]

can katy and i claim at the same time at the end

uh sure?

[Katyusha]

are you insinuating scum no kill or SHOOT THE VIG TARGET dhdhdhdhsg)(;

please hardclaim

[Katyusha]

srceenplay please hardclaim in your next post or get instaynched

[Katyusha]

ok thank you

dunn in your next post reaffirm or rescind and renew your JK claim ty

[Katyusha]

srceenplay please hardclaim in your next post or get instaynched

Stop trying to power push a mislynch.

why are you complaining to me instead of the person who jailkept you.....

[Katyusha]

well im not advocating for a rushed lynch just because of your claim

i only threatned as much if you refused to claim

we're still massclaiming and assuming a status quo there isnt much reason to lynch anyone besides you here

[Katyusha]

Ok, Havo is up next.

[Katyusha]

K, Uzi, same for you: still a vt?

[Katyusha]

K, Uzi, same for you: still a vt?

dont want this lost

[Katyusha]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

^

[Katyusha]

Cool. Wavemode, you're not fakeclaiming any part of 2S self aware BP?

[Katyusha]

Alright.

Trans?

[Katyusha]

while we wait for doggo i remembered nsg pointed out that scum dont have daytalk by default, which means the last scum could just be an encrypter

alternatively while looking for memes i found something interesting

[Katyusha]

Later UC posts were badstuffs, now this.

Vote: Screenplay

Espeonage I know in 1997 mafia was different but that is a garbage vote
Can we have ur current reads??

im thinking this is very likely an indication of a lack of daytalk and a signal to not bus

food for thought while the setup seems to heavily suggest that we do, in fact, have a soft guilty on srceen

[Katyusha]

alright then


schadd how are we claiming simultaneously

for times im here:

i gotta cram math homework in bc im skipping recitation to go to knitting club since i need volunteer hours and today and friday are the last meetings and i sort of forgot to go to some so i have to meet my quota of 4 meetings before they can count my hours from the hat i knitted and donated . my scholarship's on the line here tho so it's urgent

i keep distracting myself bc im a dumbass tho and i could have done it way earlier but it's 4:30 am and i'm still wide awake and raring to go

ideally im gonna be free from 2:30 on taking into account classes im not skipping

[Katyusha]

Kat, why do you think you have a soft guilty on me? There was a night kill.
Just double checking.

there were 2 kills N1 and zach isnt a sk kill

ergo you have to be either vig or mafia and mafia dont shoot a pre announced vig target

and havi cease and lets finish massclaim first

[Katyusha]

havo*

[Katyusha]

first of all im the vig

full no modifiers etc

The only way Dunn can be scum here is if we have a scum ninja so??

please dont hammer just yet

[Katyusha]

lemme soviet hammer lol

[Katyusha]

Lol thank goodness katy knew i was bluffing town because my result was false as well

i thought you where trying to protect me/confirm me as not vig AND bait the nightkill lol

so if scum thought you were not a good kill they still wouldnt risk it and shoot me

about to make hammer post

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[Katyusha]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Of course, if it's too communist to count.

[Katyusha]

If the world fucks itself over and Dunn flips town I vig schadd I guess then???

but thats how you know the game's over

[Katyusha]

lemme soviet hammer lol

I’m giving you 5 minutes.

7 minutes actually

pedit: theres a connection between the flavor and communism, probably

[Katyusha]

i was almost convincing myself to lynch havo tbh

pedit: even with the jk claim? i knew you werent md but i didnt see tracker!schadd coming so i thought it worked

[Katyusha]

thx

my tell on zach is pretty solid now i think

[Katyusha]

you have a gif u could have used dearest.

i do but it's at home

[Katyusha]

also it's more of a [totally unknown main] gif than a katyusha gif

[Katyusha]

or do u mean this lol

it's meant to be sarcastic in my heart

[Katyusha]

trans how did you figure out i was the vig so quickly?

was it just the almond milk?

[Katyusha]

Who is Katyusha

it is an mystery

ugh that reminds me i wish i knew who ur main was

to most, at least

[Katyusha]

solid evidence here to us vs raybells that you arent house lol

[Katyusha]

*use

[Katyusha]

oh lol

i actually sr'd espeo for not vig reading me bc i thought i hinted at it at some point btw and he was selectively ignoring it to scumread me

i thought you picked up on that

[Katyusha]

god

no pls reread my iso im really obviously the vig LMAO

[Katyusha]

beeboy,

[color=00ff00]Town Even-Night Cop[/color]

[Katyusha]

FUCK.

[Katyusha]

i was actually going to claim 2-shot vig and then make a reference to that game if i had lived the night and massclaim went differently

[Katyusha]

Wake88: I'm bomb

Wake88,

Vanilla Townie

,

same

[Katyusha]

if you leash the vig you should at least take their reads into account imo so yes and no...?

i'm in favor of it being like a double lynch but jodas obvtown and i'd rather do nsg/dunn unless you guys strongarm joda lol so

ok so im being a self centered bitch

yeah i guess if thats what town wants

i immediately regretted everything about these posts and felt rly helpless lol

[Katyusha]

lolpls

[Katyusha]

im shaking from all the coffee i drank

[Katyusha]

i guess dunn couldnt shoot me because it'd be obvious that only he had the knowledge to risk doubting trans's claim from knowing i was vig

[Katyusha]

I'm not picking up what you're putting down Katyusha

hm

[Katyusha]

Good job town!

Sorry for my awful d1 play, had I paid attention more I probably wouldnt have tunneled on Firaja.

More evaluation/kudos/etc when im free

any chance we get to scope out the pts?

[Katyusha]

he can only use one action per night

though yeah dunn why didnt you use your rb on srceen...?

[Katyusha]

lol mastina calling a perfect scumwin

the instant i figured trans and schadd were town scum really didnt have a shot and both zach and dunn know im fairly devent at reading them so??

maybe mastina didnt instantly figure out whos alt i am. or im a shit player in general (which is true) and i entirely rely on meta reading my friends to win mafia games (which is true).

the only thing that threw me off is dunn lurking which someone said was a new thing for him? the one time i played with a lurker!dunn he was scum and he had some bad posts d2 so without that in mind theres a shot i stop tunneling dunn but still

plus with the vig softing i thought scum!dunn would shoot me n2 :/

pedit: yeah lol

also i thought trans specifically picked me because he KNEW i was vig which is why i defended his claim so hard

it was obvious bs though but i still think the fakeclaim was optimal or at least a good play

[Katyusha]

*decent
*whose

we

[Katyusha]

I spoke briefly to Katy about this over Night 2 but I literally had no idea what I was doing with the flavour for this game and I just kind of gradually went completely off the fuckin rails

Hope you all enjoyed it though

Definitely liked the new direction!

I think going more surreal/grotesque would have worked if a scum win looked possible but with this playerlist it was pretty unlikely

[Katyusha]

Dunn would not have gotten away with rescinding his claim btw

me giving leeway was specifically for wave and trans who i both knew fakeclaimed

[Katyusha]

*stop tunneling nsg

i need sleep /:

schadd if he is smart would be tracking Trans to confirm the claim.

i could also just track scum????

yeah no that would be a bad play

[Katyusha]

i mean wave was realclaiming

he claimed 2S at first which i figured was a bluff from the get go

[Katyusha]

hard to win vs obvtkwn

I gues ill have to be obv town

gonna be hard next time because my tell on you is pretty bulletproof

[Katyusha]

gonna be hard next time because my tell on you is pretty bulletproof

i will not depart from this miserable festering wound of a planet before i finesse u again

no like it's not going to happen

i really thought i had this tell the last game i rolled town vs scum!you but dunn bullied me out of the read and i thought i was dumb and then read into shit too much as u know

this game was basically confirmation of it and the instant it came into play i wasnt moving my read

[Katyusha]

gg scum <3

This is my first town win!!

wait actually???

thats so sad im glad to have been a key player though

[Katyusha]

key

heh

[Katyusha]

my day 2 could have been better - i really should have recognized that dunn was a universal secondary scumread and try to get compromise there

or push north harder since joda was obvtown to me and i wanted to get rid of bussing paranoia at the very least, which, if schadd didnt set a vig target up, lead to a dunn vig

\_O_/

[Katyusha]

dunnie.....

[Katyusha]

you're easy/fun to pick on

i get from a mafia purist perspective that maybe the fakeclaim was risky in a bad way. like if you motion detected someone like, say, Joda or Havo who might be less receptive to going along with a fake claim and were PRs in theory, it could have gone awry easily.

but thats part of the point of a good fakeclaim - it's calculated. schadd and i would expect town!you to fakeclaim here, and i even thought you deliberately picked me because I was a vig. so you know you could retract safely and that we would back you up. plus MD is a bad claim for single scum for obvious reasons - you could have pulled an Almost50 if you were scum and get into autoloss

really the only qualms with your play was probably the lack of transparency w your firaja townread early on could have steered me in the right direction if we had talked more about it, and obviously d2 being bruteforced onto joda when there wasnt much back-and-forth. i dont think your play was that obstructive even when you were shitposting and you made yourself obvious town when push came to shove

idk just my 2cents

[Katyusha]

though havo i wouldnt advocate lying unless you're 100% sure it's the right play, and it's usually much more risk than reward

if it's against your style i wouldnt lmao

[Katyusha]

is it bad that i'd like a massclaim bc if theres a protective theyre probably not in the clears

or do we resolve that tomorrow

even night jailkeeper I targeted Srceenplay

Waveplay's claim has me squinting my eyes btw, 2 shot bp in a 13 player game? And why is he self aware?

tbh this should have tipped me off early dunn was lying

no reason to make other scumreads when you have a very reliable guilty

[Katyusha]

lol the flavor

alright i feel like kind of an ass because this is the first game ive lurked this hard but at least i got my head in the game when it counts. will try to prevent unintentional spiraling from happening again in the future o7

anyway

regardless of whether or not my tell is right here (based on it i should be scumreading zach here) though i do think the right play is to

Kill Zach

while i was tempted to go with the obvious lurkershot in dunnie, it's going to be hard to assess zach objectively when he defended espeo and focused more on saving his face than dismantling a wagon on someone he townread. plus like The Tell™ exists so :/

i honestly wasnt expecting to see The Tell™ in action but it happened

anyway gonna be infinitely guilty if i'm wrong here but it's hard for me to justify the safer play here in shooting a lurker

almost forgot my two choices in kills were both scum

[Katyusha]

yeah...

again sorry for confbiasing on you, i was reading way too much into associatives i didnt really think about the town narrative which was grossly lazy of me

you were good!

[Katyusha]

yo katy, the tell does not exist bruh

it does lmao

you might be able to figure it out tbh since i townread you for real early on in the game until The Tell^tm came into play

there was gut weirdness about you later on but it was never anything solid until The Tell

[Katyusha]

you god forsaken commies

actually zach this post scumfirmed you