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Post Post #1003 (isolation #0) » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:21 am

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Hello, all of you. I see we're low on time, but I'll likely be busy until this evening. Hopefully, catching up will not take too long.
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Post Post #1005 (isolation #1) » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:51 pm

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Would someone like to give me an idea of the gamestate? I'll of course be reading up, but if I know what's going on I should be able to participate in whatever end-of-day discussion is occurring.
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Post Post #1009 (isolation #2) » Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:01 pm

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In post 997, HolySpiritTurtle wrote:VC 1.6

The Brain and Pinky (3) - itissheaanderrantparabola, Lady Lambdadelta, Panzerjager
Lady Lambdadelta (2) - Ice Crean Sand Witch, Kaito Momota
Himiko Yumeno (2) - RedFlavor, Maki Harukawa
Kokichi Oma (2) - Himiko Yumeno, The Brain and Pinky
Panzerjager (1) - HardcoreMonkey
Kaito Momota (2) - Elizibereth, Almost50
Maki Harukawa (1) - Kokichi Oma

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Deadline: (expired on 2017-12-05 11:25:16).
Do we not have two days?
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Post Post #1023 (isolation #3) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:41 am

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Yes, I seem to have noticed that.
We should have some fun then! Why is Kaito scum, Almost?
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #4) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:40 am

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So Kaito/Almost/Kokichi is a neighbourhood.
And thank you for the answer, I'll keep it in mind as I go.
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #5) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:54 am

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1 day, 18 hours.
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #6) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:30 pm

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In post 1044, Toranaga wrote:Korekyio
This is rather disingenous.

I stated in the neighbourhood I would be posting there while catching up, and got up to page 10 before running out of time and have not continued further.
I'm also scumreading HardcoreMonkey from page 4, and said as much in the neighbourhood. <3
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #7) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:32 pm

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In post 1040, Toranaga wrote:His neighborhood posting wasnt any good either and i likr that he is scumreading ice there while saying nothing at all here cause it has the sweet taste of scum bussing
I should have quoted this, but I believe it gets across.

He's referring to one post where I said Ice Cream Sand Witch looks like scum, during a short catchup.

Why would I repeat half-formed conclusions into the main thread for no reason?
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #8) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:45 pm

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If that's your reasoning, I'd rather vote someone I'm scumreading.

VOTE: Hardcore

In all practicality I'll soon be voting my best guess for a good consolidation target, though.
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #9) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:54 pm

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I'm taking no responsibility for this gamestate, I just got here and am working with what I have.
How would I know what posts players are scumreading Ice for if I haven't read 3 quarters of the game?
I'm finishing my catchup to the best of my ability, yes.
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #10) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:50 pm

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In post 1109, HardcoreMonkey wrote:I have no idea how Koreyiko can seriously look at this game and think that we're scum. There's serious disconnect in mindset there. It screams disingenuous reading process.

Anyway, if we haven't done this, I'd like to do this VOTE: Kaito. I hope Toranaga agrees.
Disconnect from what? What's disingenous exactly? This is vague.
In post 1113, HardcoreMonkey wrote:I didn't like his scumhunting and the angle he attacked this game. It feels like it came from a scum trying to find a position where he can control the discourse and then failing at it and never ever finding another way to approach the game. Instead of a town looking at this game seriously looking for scum.
This is also vague, but I can actually look for it in Kaito's posting and see if there's something there, so I'll do it.
I doubt I'll be influencing the lynch today, but I can prepare for tomorrow.
Good night all.
Apologies for not being able to get into this game before night. I've been unexpectedly busy.
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #11) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:53 pm

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What do you mean "spewing some towny shit organically"? Are you asking why he did something overtly scummy instead of trying to act town?
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #12) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:54 pm

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In post 1174, HardcoreMonkey wrote:This is not vague. I think you are just making shit up. I think you are bullshitting your push on me. That's your memo. My Kaito read is not vague also.
Nope. Answer, please. What's the disconnect you're referring to? What's disingenuous? Did you use that word because I said it first?
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #13) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:55 pm

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Not me. mastina is town as far as I can tell. Grain of salt as I'm not done reading but have decided to spend the next half hour or so doing so if it'll be of any help.
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Post Post #1189 (isolation #14) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:08 pm

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In post 1183, HardcoreMonkey wrote:No I used that word because it's a word I can use.

The disingenuous thing is that you are saying I act scummy where there's literally no way to read me that way in how the town discussion's rolling out. I think you're push-parking on me because you have nothing else up your sleeve. IT'S NOT VAGUE YOU'RE JUST MAKING IT OUT TO BE LMAO.

You are obviously bullshitting right now and it's painful to see.
I've decided you're town. I've also decided I don't enjoy your play, because I really cannot
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The second reason is you believe yourself to be so town that the mere act of scumreading you makes me scum.
But, before I go further, which head am I speaking to? I'd guess Toranaga but I really don't know either of you.
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Post Post #1191 (isolation #15) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:10 pm

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Anyway. I can now confirm with semi-certainty that mastina hydra is town this game.
So is Hardcore. Unfortunately. This may change once I've finished read the game thread. (Not the townread, but rather the feeling communicated by the word "unfortunately")
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #16) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:17 pm

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1. Because I'd read our hood, I'd read 10 of the beginning pages, and I'm reading new pages as they appear. It isn't difficult.
2. The fact that you say this while knowing I'm not caught up is almost... impressive.
3. See point 2.
4. What resistance? The only player who's had a problem is you. Which, if I'm scum pushing you, I should expect. What, do you believe I thought the player I was pushing would just roll over and agree with me?
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Post Post #1197 (isolation #17) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:17 pm

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Ah, so it is monkey. That settles it.
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #18) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:23 pm

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In post 1198, HardcoreMonkey wrote:The resistance is that your bullshit push on me was to remain invisible to the town while you let the Day 1 pass and actively lurk.
What the hell are you talking about? When was I lurking?
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Post Post #1210 (isolation #19) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:26 pm

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Oh, you're not taking credit for that one. I'm here because we have 9 hours to deadline and I'm going to bed soon.
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #20) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:26 pm

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And answer me in the hood, would you?
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Post Post #1217 (isolation #21) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:29 pm

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The good news is I haven't been here long enough to have investment in this game or a real care if I get lynched.
Kokichi, Maki, beeboy... seriously?
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Post Post #1222 (isolation #22) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:32 pm

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So, it seems I shouldn't have posted at all, and just let you all no lynch into oblivion.
Well, you're welcome for giving you all a common enemy when you're stuck. <3

Pedit: Kokichi, just because I'm not upset about being lynched does not mean I'd not still rather help win for town. To do otherwise would be gamethrowing.
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Post Post #1229 (isolation #23) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:35 pm

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In post 1223, Maki Harukawa wrote:Wha- Kiyo I feel had really overly defensive reactions and none of his posting has been great
You would be reacting this way too in my position, but I respect that this probably does look rather defensive, so I don't mind your opinion.
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Post Post #1242 (isolation #24) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:39 pm

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I don't have the time nor the energy to do much more here, unfortunately.
Oh well.
Shall I claim? Not that it matters, haha.
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Post Post #1258 (isolation #25) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:46 pm

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Almost: I haven't had enough time to tell if he's town or not. I would likely have been able to say so definitively if I'd gotten a chance, but it won't happen that way so you should all just hope he's town. I'd say he is but I wouldn't be confident.

mastina-hydra: She's town. She just is. Whoever decides to listen will have to trust me on this one. Her neighbourhood posting is town.

I'm a neighbourizer. I make neighbourhoods with a target that last one day. The power cost is 1 but it doubles whenever one of mastina-Ginngie hydra or Hardcore dies. So it maxes out at 4 if they're both gone.
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #26) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:47 pm

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Oh, is Elli online? He should be able to tell I'm town. If he knows my main is Chara, that is.
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Post Post #1267 (isolation #27) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:50 pm

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In post 1264, Elizibereth wrote:do you really think mulch was the one who joined for the flavor LOL
Those were posted while I was writing.
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Post Post #1269 (isolation #28) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:51 pm

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In post 1266, Kokichi Oma wrote:Who wants to lynch Pinky? Or Maki?
Mastina is still town.
Cursory thoughts based only on Kaito's hesitation to join the easy wagon on me say he might be town, but I'm less sure there.
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Post Post #1275 (isolation #29) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:54 pm

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Oh! Sorry, I don't know why I didn't realize you were talking to me, Elli. Just a second.

Pedit: My god, seriously? Fuck this, I'm going to sleep.
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #30) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:55 pm

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I'm Cure Melody.
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Post Post #1286 (isolation #31) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:57 pm

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My neighbourizing ability is called Melodic Harmony.
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Post Post #1290 (isolation #32) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:59 pm

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In post 1285, Elizibereth wrote:
In post 1275, Korekiyo Shinguji wrote:Fuck this, I'm going to sleep.
^^^ Chara you know this is the sketchiest thing you've said all game LOL
You're right. I'm still not asleep, am I.
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Post Post #1296 (isolation #33) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:01 pm

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In post 1293, Kokichi Oma wrote:That was Korekiyo's lie, wasn't it?
A lie I tell to myself every night. I'm now 4 hours past when I originally planned to sleep.
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Post Post #1321 (isolation #34) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:13 pm

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Would anyone like to be in a hood? Open call. Now I really am sleeping because my phone has run out of battery. Thank goodness.

Pedit: VOTE: Ice Cream
Peditx2: How many posts to convince you to gladiate?
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Post Post #1336 (isolation #35) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:17 pm

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Oh, right: Almost, a yes or no from you specifically for neighbourizing would be nice as well.
If I post again tonight, please kill me in-game somehow. Honestly.
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #36) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:24 pm

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Do you ever replace in to a game only to be immediately slapped in the face with regret?
That is me.
(Yes, I'm aware of what I said in my last post.)

VOTE: sheaanderrantparabola
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #37) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:08 am

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In post 1408, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1258, Korekiyo Shinguji wrote:Almost: I haven't had enough time to tell if he's town or not. I would likely have been able to say so definitively if I'd gotten a chance, but it won't happen that way so you should all just hope he's town. I'd say he is but I wouldn't be confident.
I didn't even get the chance to play any tricks as Kaede towned it up beyond remedy before she left. :(

I will trust your read on Mastina since I now you can read her better than I. Now if you don't get lynched you should neighbourize ME so we can talk like we do i the hydra P (that would be awesome. A Double-Voting hydra). :lol:

Now do you have any other
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Yes, I remembered that later. I'm sure replacing into obvtown was a disappointment for you, haha.

Besides what I've said already, I don't have too many confident reads, no.

But I am considering that Maki is town here based on her recent posting. I think scum Maki would have committed to staying off my wagon once she realized Kokichi was on it, but she decided to stay in spite of that. She could still be scum if Kaito is scum, I suppose, but with him I'm at nulltown.
The biggest reason for Maki town is her posts yelling at Kokichi, and a reference to something she's able to explain. It's not a scum tactic I'd ever expect Maki to resort to.
In post 1414, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1261, Korekiyo Shinguji wrote:Oh, is Elli online? He should be able to tell I'm town. If he knows my main is Chara, that is.
Why Elli over me??
I saw his hydra posting. At the time I expected to be lynched before the night was out.
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Post Post #1503 (isolation #38) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:09 am

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*unable to explain, not able to.
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #39) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:03 am

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In post 1514, Almost50 wrote:Well, I'm not seeing it from Ali. I could buy beeboy to be scum as I don't have a reliable method to read him (gut or otherwise) so if it was only him posting I might have been swayed to SR the slot.
I'm scumreading them as well.
But you have better meta on Alisae. You're very confident?
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Post Post #1526 (isolation #40) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:12 pm

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That's one way to shed some light on a situation.

VOTE: Kaito
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Post Post #1537 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:35 pm

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In post 1529, Kokichi Oma wrote:I was sheeping my townread.
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #42) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:37 pm

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In post 1550, Maki Harukawa wrote:It would drive me insane if I was tr for ate or because of a sub not because "Maki had good posts I enjoy" cause that's what I strive for that is my goal I want people to tr me for my posting I want people to engage me and us discuss and find the scum one on one talks on theories for who scum is it's amazing I can rant 24/7 on it gah
Pedit: What about you Kaito?
I'd love to townread you for that as well, but posts like this make me want to call you town anyway. I can't exactly help it.
We can talk about why Kokichi is scum too, though.
Good night, thread.
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Post Post #1598 (isolation #43) » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:18 pm

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In post 1593, Kaito Momota wrote:
In post 1591, HolySpiritTurtle wrote:
In post 1248, Maki Harukawa wrote:I feel like you're using the gimmick of Kokichi to get out of some realyl scummy things
Would you vote Kokichi?
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Post Post #1652 (isolation #44) » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:24 am

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I was prodded.
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In post 1647, Almost50 wrote:As for Koki, he did claim he was frosted then defrosted (or rather told to ignore the frosting message), which also makes him more likely Town (I was already TRing him, but it strengthens that read). Why would scum claim to have been defrosted (thus confirming they did submit an action)? I would not have known about the defrosting message if I wasn't told about it, because I only got the one about being frosted and not the follow up note.
Why couldn't scum confirm they had taken an action, if they knew it would not incriminate them?
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Post Post #1656 (isolation #45) » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:00 am

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....Was that hammer?
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Post Post #1685 (isolation #46) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:59 pm

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In post 1659, HolySpiritTurtle wrote:Energy left: 27

HardcoreMonkey, Cure Marine. sided with
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, was killed Night 2.


Spoiler: Role PM
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The Brain and Pinky disappeared for this day phase!
There goes my entire hood.
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Post Post #1686 (isolation #47) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:03 pm

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In post 1667, Elizibereth wrote:It's obvious that he had a guilty on you and you decided to quickhammer. Don't even try
How did you come to this conclusion after what Almost claimed Kaito's action was?
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Post Post #1687 (isolation #48) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:10 pm

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In post 1680, Kokichi Oma wrote:We are lynching in that blitz. I have a few things to say, waiting for the mod.
WE DON'T LYNCH UNTIL I SAY SO
I'm going to echo this entirely because I don't want another quick day. Even if LLD is scum. My neighbourhoods only last until the end of the Day and I happen to use them for
things.
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Post Post #1691 (isolation #49) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:13 pm

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I appreciate the unvote. I'd ask for an answer to my question, but I believe was Mulch?
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Post Post #1695 (isolation #50) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:20 pm

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In post 1692, Elizibereth wrote:mulch thinks kaito targetted LL and got a guilty

I'm much less sure.
I mean.
No, this didn't happen at all. Several people can confirm this.
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Post Post #1697 (isolation #51) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:22 pm

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In post 1645, Almost50 wrote:So, I'm gonna do something stupid. I won't tell you the roles. I will just say Kaito opted to target Ice on N1. They announced it before the fact, and confirmed it after the fact. You simply do NOT announce targeting the player you intend to kill beforehand, and then come back to confirm you did target that player after they flip. That's not smart scum play.
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Post Post #1702 (isolation #52) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:24 pm

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In post 1698, Maki Harukawa wrote:If it was a guilty Kaito would've told his hood correct
There's no question of this.
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Post Post #1704 (isolation #53) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:25 pm

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In post 1701, Elizibereth wrote:okay

next thing

does LLD's actions make sense from the pov of someone who THINK they got guiltied

Mulch is a strong yes

I'm on the fence.
It would have to mean LLD didn't believe what Almost was saying.
And she would have to not know that Kaito is in a hood with Kokichi and Almost and for some reason hiding his guilty from them too.
I don't believe the theory holds water, why do you think it does?
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Post Post #1712 (isolation #54) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:31 pm

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Does it really matter if he did or did not?
What matters is if LLD believed he did.

There was little reason for her to read Almost's post and come to the conclusion of Kaito having a guilty on her.
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Post Post #1716 (isolation #55) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:36 pm

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Elli can you talk about your other reads?

Pedit: Where were you when I was wagoned day 1 and had to claim? :mad:

Panzer I asked for a slower day.
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Post Post #1721 (isolation #56) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:45 pm

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It's my job to paraphrase several pages of our hood, isn't it...?
...
...
If I must.
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Post Post #1722 (isolation #57) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:55 pm

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Another good reason to take things slow today is that Himiko has not posted in 10 days.
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Post Post #1723 (isolation #58) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:08 pm

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Going to bed, actually. Hood things tomorrow.
Elli I'd love a readslist from you.
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Post Post #1742 (isolation #59) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:15 pm

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In post 1731, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:If I commute and you target me and you get no result (if you shoot me, no shot, if you track me, no track) it shows I am not targetable.

It's a night ability tho, so.
It's not technically confirmation you are untargetable. It's confirmation you are untargetable or that your team has a roleblocker.

LLD, if you motivate someone, does it double their power cost?
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Post Post #1743 (isolation #60) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:16 pm

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In post 1740, Kokichi Oma wrote:No, we don't, scum.
Maki isn't scum. It's highly possible you're both town.
Would you like to have a chat with
me
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Post Post #1749 (isolation #61) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:17 pm

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Mulch, the point is if LLD knows she couldn't be targeted she'd have no reason to fear Kaito's investigation.
Also, don't gladiate. There are slots we need to hear from.
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Post Post #1753 (isolation #62) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:19 pm

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In post 1748, Kokichi Oma wrote:Fine. Why isn't she scum?
I'd rather not have what would probably be a long conversation right now, as it's late. I can towncase her tomorrow, though, if that's alright.

The talking I was referring to would be in a hood with me, next game day.
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #63) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:19 pm

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In post 1752, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:It doesn't say in my ability.

It says you can use it twice, unless you are prevented from that by some other restriction (see: one shot) and I have to use motivate in the first 24 hours of night or I take no effect.
Can you check with the mod?
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #64) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:27 pm

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In post 1303, Maki Harukawa wrote:In no world is Kokichi town here given he knows what I can't do and I didn't think he'd stoop that low just to win as scum but he's clearly fucking doing it
He's not town he's scum
Townposting from Maki. Not willing to go through everything right now but it's worth noting her scumread and vote on me during my early wagon is the only one that didn't appear outright opportunistic.

Also please unvote. I mean it. We need this time. Himiko needs to be prodded and replaced if she isn't going to play, too.
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Post Post #1850 (isolation #65) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:38 am

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In post 1849, Almost50 wrote:FTR, I'm also starting to second guess my read on Kiyo. They also yelled on people to unvote (but unlike you they weren't voting anyone themselves).
Day 2 ended with two votes on Kaito that didn't know the count, of course I'm skittish. You know why I was frustrated yesterday.
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Post Post #1851 (isolation #66) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:48 am

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In post 1849, Almost50 wrote:Also Kiyo's defense of you isn't too convincing to me, so if LLD is scum and you are trying to save her with that counterwagon it makes sense that Kiyo is your third. It doesn't have to be but it still would make sense and wouldn't surprise me.
My read on Maki is one of those emotional/tone reads that I'm very confident in. I don't want her lynched. She's town and she's gamesolving. If I go down first I'd hope you sheep this read. The reason she's willing to consider Kokichi town is because I said I trusted
your
opinion on the matter.

I'm not nervous about Panzer being lynched quickly the way I am about LLD because there's a lot of heat on the latter.

But I do see your point about Maki being on the competing Panzer wagon while calling for unvotes on LLD.
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Post Post #1852 (isolation #67) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:01 am

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In post 1843, Maki Harukawa wrote:mastina was the one I wanted to talk the most with after Kaito's flip so I'm nghhh on that regard I have things I want to ask both of you and Kokichi but you believe I am scum getting info so anything I ask you just gets outright shut down.
Mastina's reads have stayed the same after Kaito's flip. Hardcore got angry about the lynch, said they trusted no one (specifically not our hood, not mastina) and called for Elizibereth's head because Mulch didn't unvote Kaito after Almost's post.
Mastina then said, if she'd had the information I had from Almost she would have unvoted, but with what was stated in the public thread by Almost she would not have unvoted Kaito. She also said her reads had stayed the same for the most part. She still wants Kokichi and Panzer lynched, Kokichi moreso.
She conceded that her Elizibereth read had been hurt but she wasn't willing to call it scum without another day phase to sort it out. I'm not sure what sparked the change personally since she defended the Kaito wagon, but I wasn't able to ask as night phase ended and she was bubbled.

Her argument for Kokichi scum involved Kaito's cop target being known only to that hood. She said scum were trying to reduce the number of clears. Well, one of her arguments, not the only one.

That's everything relevant from post Kaito's lynch I can think of off the top of my head.
Almost, your theory about me removing all of my hoodmates, I'll leave for now.
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Post Post #1855 (isolation #68) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:11 am

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Actually I don't really want to leave it because it's silly. Do you really think my plan as scum would be to try and remove town mastina (who despite not having me as a lock townread is still townreading me) and then trust myself to be able to come up with fake reads and opinions from my dead hoodmates? That's a
lot
of work for an uncertain reward. You know how lazy I am.

Kaito was lynched in part because I wasn't available to properly send messages. I fucked up, yes. I was talking with you about the read, and I didn't think he'd be quickhammered. I'm sorry I didn't listen sooner. That's all I can say.

Pedit: Oh, hello.
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Post Post #1857 (isolation #69) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:14 am

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In post 1853, Almost50 wrote:@Kiyo: I'll probably be kicking myself in the butt for this, but I get the feeling this is Town you posting now. It feels as though the "poker face" you more or less maintained all game has started to show some emotions in these last 3 posts. Please don't be another "Cerb" in my closet. :lol:

And now you tricked me into a position where I cannot justify not taking your "emotional" read on Maki into account when I'm apparently doing the same thing regarding you. You know I usually prefer analytic scum hunting over emotional reads. *Sigh*
I didn't realize I had a "poker face" before, but alright.

And I know you do. But fully explaining my read on Maki is something I unfortunately
cannot
do but I hope you can be satisfied in knowing it isn't completely an emotional read. I'm considering towncasing her, though.
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Post Post #1864 (isolation #70) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:01 am

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In post 1861, Almost50 wrote:Back in this game though: I neither said you did nor you didn't remove Mastina. I gave two possibilities .. one that would lead to you being Scum and the other that would lead to you being Town. Do you know something I don't? If not, then it's premature to assume either of the conclusions is true when we don't know whether Mastina's coming back or not.
I'm not assuming either is true. But in the case mastina is already dead, you should know why your theory does not lead to me being scum. Discussing hypotheticals is fine, surely. :>
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Post Post #1866 (isolation #71) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:06 am

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So, Panzer and LLD. I'm not really townreading either. Normally I might be worried both are town, but with no scum dead, a dwindling playerlist, and the assumption that Almost, Maki, and Kokichi are all town, I don't think there's a world where they both are. It has nothing to do with both of them being Commuters. I don't think that's a CC in a closed setup that could potentially have two commute abilities. We already have two neighbourhoods plus a neighbourizer.

Pedit: Haha. If only we'd replaced into each other's slots!
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Post Post #1868 (isolation #72) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:08 am

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And Almost: I did manage to drag some usefulness from my Commute in DBZ, so I wouldn't say being essentially confirmed town makes you unable to trick anyone.
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Post Post #1869 (isolation #73) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:09 am

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Maki, I believe not knowing you were putting him at L-1 is the fuckup he meant.
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Post Post #1871 (isolation #74) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:12 am

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So does scum Panzer decide to CC LLD here? The only way it would make sense is if he were banking on everyone assuming scum wouldn't CC town in this situation because it would out them.
I wish today's discussion had more reads and less other things, honestly. Panzer, LLD, who's scum?
I'd also want to see reads from Ellibereth that aren't me being obvtown. That's an easy one. Even scum Ellibereth would say it because he knows I'd be on him for being wrong.
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Post Post #1875 (isolation #75) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:08 am

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Is there another reason to TR Eli besides their gladiate power?

I thought your Kokichi TR was confident. Are you considering teams with Kokichi or is that just for the sake of argument?
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Post Post #1920 (isolation #76) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:00 pm

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Unfortunately having trouble parsing this. No one to blame but myself and the time of night I got around to checking the thread.
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Post Post #1921 (isolation #77) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:04 pm

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In post 1909, Almost50 wrote:Which reminds me: When I said what I said about the possibility of Mastina coming back vs dead it was to protect Kiyo from the NK. As long as there's little shade on them they would not be shot, but Mastina WOULD be back so Kiyo will be on the clear. Kiyo didn't get the trick to play along with it, as they didn't know it was I who bubbled Mastina. The only one who knew was Koki and he still let me do it, so that was one more reason or me to TR him, but if LLD is indeed Town then it could be because I explained I was doing it to stop Mastina from controlling the lynch so that we could lynch LLD, so they could've let me do it still to get the mislynch going anyway an Mastina would have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Huh. This clears up a lot. Knowing that mastina was removed by town rather than scum is something.

Sort of want to call Panzer/Porkens both scum for that exchange, but that's probably laziness.
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Post Post #1922 (isolation #78) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:09 pm

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In post 1913, PJ. wrote:Demanding everyone claim still scummy info hunting

Quick hammer because you can't add 3+1+1 is scummy AND a bad excuse.

You've bowed out of this game for "emotional reasons" which i figure is just an excuse for you to lurk and still blend in with the site meta because I honestly do see you as that weak a person.

Someone come up with 3 reasons that solid for why I'm scum. Please.
Actually I want to townread this.

Sticking point for me is if mastina is scum, Elizibereth would be my guess for her partner. But Almost's townread there is locked in, and not for the gladiate. I should probably look into that. If they're town it makes things easier, I suppose.
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Post Post #1951 (isolation #79) » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:40 am

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I'm planning on giving it a more in-depth read, but Panzer vs. Porkens looks fake from Porken's side. Grain of salt as I don't know Porkens well.
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Post Post #2037 (isolation #80) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:06 pm

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In post 2034, Elizibereth wrote:on the last line

i think me and a50 established why his townread on kokich didn't make sense

chara why you townread maki.
and what percent.
I've been putting off this game!
Apologies.
Will answer this tonight after my exam.

Same reason I townread her in Alisae's Hydra Upick. Will go over the validity of that tonight as a way to get myself back into the game.
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Post Post #2039 (isolation #81) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:16 pm

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In post 2026, Elizibereth wrote:THIS IS A VILLAGER

VOTE: LLD
From the following posts I'm assuming this is Mulch?
If I'm wrong, tell me. Sorry I can't tell, you both might have been online or something.
Elli, do you agree with this?
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Post Post #2040 (isolation #82) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:19 pm

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In post 2038, Almost50 wrote:And as you proved to be able to read her much better than I can ever do I am 100% following you on this read, which is why I'm following where she goes.
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I'd prefer no hammers until I've gotten a chance to look at this tonight.
If tonight passes with no posts from me, however, I can't very well be annoyed if someone hammers.
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Post Post #2041 (isolation #83) » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:31 am

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Confidence in my Maki townread is at 90%. We're good.
Was hoping for an answer from Elli, but oh well. It's only been a day.

Almost did you want me to do what we talked about, or go my own way?
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Post Post #2050 (isolation #84) » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:49 pm

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In post 2043, Almost50 wrote:I don't even remember what we talked about. Games have started and finished and this game is still ongoing. Care to refresh my memory? Or in the D2 neighbourhood?
Day 2 neighbourhood! It's not a big secret. We talked about a general plan for who I should be neighbourizing each day.
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Post Post #2051 (isolation #85) » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:53 pm

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In post 2049, Porkens wrote:Wow.

@mod replace me.
It was rather rude, but not personally meant, I think.

I'm in an awkward position here. But as I ISOed you and Himiko earlier and don't have a towncase, I feel as though I should listen to my earlier read on you rather than the random gut townread that cropped up on this last page.
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Post Post #2052 (isolation #86) » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:54 pm

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Regarding , I know what I'm doing now, so no need for the answer.
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Post Post #2055 (isolation #87) » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:04 pm

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In post 2054, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2052, Korekiyo Shinguji wrote:Regarding , I know what I'm doing now, so no need for the answer.
OH.. then disregard my answer! :lol: (I really should learn to read everything before I post!) :facepalm:
You really, really should.
You even post in the thread before reading our hydra PT. :lol:
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Post Post #2073 (isolation #88) » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:15 pm

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Do you have something better than a faked NAI restriction?
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #89) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:07 pm

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In post 2089, Maki Harukawa wrote:On a srs note gg everyone thanks for hosting Holy ^_^ this was fun
I was completely wrong about you, nice job.
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