Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[RachMarie]

Jiffy is often late to the party, he may not have even picked up the PM sent out to everyone the game started

Hey bulb how come you are sure that both Thor and Jiffy are town? It is early on Day 1, and the fact that Thor voted for his group does not automatically clear him as town.

[RachMarie]

People hate my questions because they are trying to scum read me or see it as scummy when my reasons for asking have to do with figuring out other people's motivations if they are scum or town.

actually I am in agreement that I would like to see thor and jiffy stick around a while, if they are town.



And @ Trans, why are you town reading me based on like ONE post?

[RachMarie]

LOL if that is so why I have been mislynched so much in the early phase of the games

[RachMarie]

hi back

[RachMarie]

@ Trans

What do you think of the reasoning bulb has about not wanting to go with B group because of the usefulness of a town thor and town jiffy?

[RachMarie]

LOL peeps I think Jiffy is town, he feels very much like he does at the other sites when he plays. Granted those sites play very short games not like here.

I need more from Thor to peg him as town or scumz


trans is prpb town but I have been fooled by him before so will hold off a bit on that.

I am fine with B getting sorted first there are a lot of good players in there.

VOTE: Group B

[RachMarie]

EBWOP

prob town I hate typos.

[RachMarie]

Mikan do we HAVE to do the gimmick? It is getting old rather fast...

[RachMarie]

@ Trans

what do you mean about the stone age? I am not THAT old, dude

[RachMarie]

ok remember in this setup there are exactly the same number of scum in EACH group, at least for today.

It is an open setup. Scum want to know who the town PRs are so they can get rid of them.

This means that each group has scum it in and no more than 2 of them at that.

Please when you are giving reads keeps these thoughts in mind.

I still feel B is our best bet atm.

[RachMarie]

meh this feels like town Jiffy peeps

Why are so many people town reading me so early? That is actually making me nervous about my own reads.

Creature often does lists as town.

I may be a bit short on posts for today and next couple of days due to accidentally losing my balance and putting my hand through a glass door on a shelving unit. It is making it hard to type a lot. It is a long shallow cut so it did not need stitches, but keeping an eye on it and keeping it bandaged to prevent infection since I already have a minor case of cellulitis. Of course I am right handed and it is my right hand.

[RachMarie]

Thor is prob town though I know he can fool people well

Jiffy I have as town

Checkers is prob town

Ellie is prob town

Creature is prob town

Trans I want to be town

Des seems to be being lazy and needs to talk more about other things not just vote B everyone then wake me up

momo may be scumz

I want to see more from Von

Assemble dude will probably be replaced unless he gets back in here.

[RachMarie]

Snarky is hard to read he is an uber lurker and when he posts it often seems like it is from out in left field somewhere, hes low hanging fruit when he is town, and sometimes skates a bit when he is scumz.

LUV feels towny

Will keep working through the list to sort out more peeps.

[RachMarie]

Oh yeah I definitely will and putting neosporin on it, Rose (my friend whom I am staying with until I find a place up here), has nursing training, and she is helping me wrap it since it is my dominant hand.

[RachMarie]

Probably.

[RachMarie]

Keep in mind I am on my tablet.

It is a nuance thing he feels like he did in the president game.

the interaction with chess where he asked to get cozy is typical goofing around that town jiffy dies with players.

Scum jiffy is more low key.

[RachMarie]

Does not dies stupid auto correct

[RachMarie]

It always takes me a while to sort out Thor, though usually I end up town reading him more than scum reading him. I am more familiar with him in newbie games than large games. Last time we were in a game together that was a large theme game, was the 42 player role madness game. He turned out to be scumz and even though I was a known and confirmed Mason, he still did not try to kill me. In fact he did not kill anyone for several nights in a row, which made everyone think that the red scum were all gone.

It was definitely not a play one usually sees from scum, and that is why I always am suspicious of him even if I think he is town.

[RachMarie]

Why are you town reading momo? he has basically pointed the finiger at most of his group as scum? Has he even read the OP? You can't have 4 scum at this point in the game in one of the 3 groups.

Sorry its been a while since I posted, I basically fell asleep around midnight on Thurs and just recfently got out of bed I am sick

[RachMarie]

I still feel he is scum and that is where I am putting my vote, I waited to make sure I did not need to go V/LA because I thought I was going to the ER, but I got an appointent instead today. Bad antibiotic gone, new antibiotic starting and antibiotic ointment for the open spot on my leg, hopefully this works.

Usually when cellulitis is this bad in the ER, they tend to make noises about admitting you meh, if that happens I will have to go VLA until I can see what kind of wifi the hospital has.

So going with my read

The difference between town screwing up on the numbers and it being a scum ploy in my book, is hes just pointing all these fingers at Jiffy, Thor, and so on, just to make people not vote him. Even the AtE seems a bit put upon to me. He has maybe 3 of us who are either currently voting him or thinking of voting him, and there is a wagon with a lot more votes on it.

Also he played in the first one of these, he should know the setup by now.

Jiffy could just be sitting back and letting things go, instead hes in your face though more toned than he is known to be probably to prevent bannage, He has made some good points. Thor has too, I am not 100% sure of couree, but I feel pretty good at this point in the game to look elsewhere. We know the number in each group, for now of scumz.

Thor I am less sure of than Jiffy, but then I have played in mostly Newbie and other small games with Thor, plus dude is very slippery and not easy to pin down immediately. He does not do things that make you go yes he is definitely scum on day friggin 1. So keep that in mind. Still have a weak town read on him, a town read on Jiffy

VOTE: momo

[RachMarie]

Rautherdir Need to read the iso seems there was some early suspicion, then town read and then not much of anything.

SnarkySnowman I will admit I can't read for shit. Mostly I see
Snarky as a basically active lurker who does not really do much in either alignment. Probably would do well as a 3rd party, or indy as they call them at a couple other sites I play games at.

Lil Uzi Vert Not as convinced as some that he is scum.

ConManMick Not really enough here from this player for me to feel like he is definitely scum, seems more like low hanging fruit to me.

[RachMarie]

I have not read any isos yet. Just been going through the general thread and following along. I recongnize fully the irony in my talking about not doing much on your part when I have been rather inactive myself.

I do ISO when I need clarification on someone or if I need to make a major case on someone.

[RachMarie]

And looking forward to your answer to Elli's question as well Snarky.

[RachMarie]

Why Jiffy check dude?

Elli if you have any questions for me, I would be happy to answer them, I think trying to get a response from snarky is doomed atm the frustrating thing is they do stuff like this and then get lynched and turned out to be town so many times.

[RachMarie]

Why do you think he is scummy is my point

[RachMarie]

Welcome to the game Ramicus

Yes please do read at least skim a bit its a strange setup and we cover some game mechanics stuff as well as the usual and I hope you dont start posting things like I have 4 scum reads in group such and such or other things like talking about PGOs or something else that can't be in this setup/


We already had enough of that.

We are only voting people in group B though so put your focus on sorting them out over anyone else atm.

[RachMarie]

Actually I am glad Elli has doubts about me, the amount of town reading me in this game has made me rather worried. Normally by this point I have at least half the players screaming I am scumz. EVEN in a game when I was a mason confirmed mason that I had to out early on Day 1 after conferring with my other two masons.

Obviously, if we need it to make a lynch I will switch but I am still not totally convinced I am wrong about momo and yes I am aware he is low hanging fruit from a couple other games with him.

[RachMarie]

Still no response from Mick I see

Mick get your Irish butt in here and give us that catchup or I will vote you dude.

[RachMarie]

Could someone explain to me the benefit you are all seeing in going after group B again?

[RachMarie]

umm bulb I want to hear from the people SUPPORTING this plan.

[RachMarie]

Well I never got an answer to my question, but I see we have shifted to A or C I was concerned about another ML in B myself which is why I asked the question.

For those pushing A over C (hint chess and others) Why A over C?

[RachMarie]

Toto WHY did you claim?

[RachMarie]

Who is Rachel???

I am Rachael or Rach abd there are no masons in this setup

can we please focus on the game? I have pinkeye and I have to read all of the crappy posts after all.

I never did get an answer to my questions but I gather we hammered group C?

[RachMarie]

vonflare
Desperado
RachMarie I know I am town
checkersman7 strong town read
Transcend prob town
Ginngie prob town
Ramcius prob town

von and des are my scum reads if its not one of them then I need to look at my prob town reads, I am pretty sure check is town though. Well about 90% which is about as good as it gets without a mod or
PR confirmed town.

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Des

[RachMarie]

Shit I forgot I can't vote That is what I get trying to read several pages before bed with my eye hurting like it is

No pain meds either bah...

Well at least I got my reads out there for C

[RachMarie]

I thought C was already hammered?

[RachMarie]

at modly one, can we pretty please with sugar on top have an updated VC?

[RachMarie]

I can't do jack atm since I am in group C, but I am watching the wagons on ram (now being rep;aced) and the one on gin.

Check is a strong town read for me but his strong defense of me still gives me the heebie jeebies, I am so used to having to prove I am town...

[RachMarie]

I will take a Guinness I love Guinnness.

[RachMarie]

um LIV there can only be 2 so why do you think check is scum?

[RachMarie]

ertr sorry LUV not LIV

My eyes are still kind of watery and my sight a bit blurry from the pinkeye which is getting a bit better.

[RachMarie]

Why are people town reading des? he is not being the abrasive in your face des I know him to be when he is town, and he is not scum reading me like he does when he is town.

[RachMarie]

yeah that bothers me, and all the people seem to just say meta is shit. Yet I have played with des a number of times n the past and I am not see his town game here.

[RachMarie]

He is hanging back mostly just popping up when there is suspicion about him, he is not in your face abrasive pushing on people he thinks are scum.

He is not pushing me as scumz which usually he does when he is town.

[RachMarie]

I have not played as many games with him as scum as town but yes it is which is why I am scum reading him.

[RachMarie]

There is that too, hes been online and not posted here.

And I don't think he keeps his computer on 24/7 like I do.

[RachMarie]

Des what are your scum reads

[RachMarie]

Why are you ignoring me Des?

[RachMarie]

Elli Here is a game where I town read Des and he was town. His style in this game linked is very different from his play here.

Harry Potter and the prisoner of Azkaban

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=49438

[RachMarie]

Group A	Group B	Group C
EddieFenix Smocaine Bulbazak Toto Elliberetta InactionDan Creature	Majiffy SnarkySnowman Thor665 momo Lil Uzi Vert	vonflare Desperado RachMarie checkersman7 Transcend Ginngie Ramcius

Vote Count 2.4 B

vonflare (0): [L-7]

Desperado (2): Toto, Creature [L-5]

RachMarie (0): [L-7]

checkersman7 (0): [L-7]

Transcend (0): [L-7]

Ginngie (4): Elliberetta, InactionDan, Smocaine, SnarkSnowman [L-3]

Ramcius (5): Bulbazak, Thor665, Majiffy, EddieFenix, momo [L-2]

Not voting (3): Lil Uzi Vert

It takes 7 to lynch.

DPII ends in (expired on 2017-12-10 00:50:00)

Mod Notes

vonflare is V/LA until Dec 5th

checkersman7 is V/LA until Dec 5th

Ginngie is V/LA until Dec 3rd.

Bulbazak is V/LA until Dec 5th.

BTD6_Maker is V/LA until Dec 7th.

Ramcius replaces Ramcius.

Feel free to PM me about slots that are posting too much or too little

Jiffy this is the part that counts for the nonce. We have 3 wagons (Creature just voted for Des recently).

Des

Gin

Ram

[RachMarie]

umm Jiffy I can't vote I am in group C lol

[RachMarie]

Snarky have you read the OP at all?

We are deciding from group C not B

[RachMarie]

So why do you keep harping on Jiffy when he is not on the lynching block?

[RachMarie]

My point is we need to focus on the group that we can vote on TODAY, Snarky is so uber tunneling a guy that can't be voted on today. That gives nothing about what Snarky thinks about the people in group C.

Its play like this that leads people to mislynching Snarky in almost every game I have been in with them.

[RachMarie]

Plus I am frustrated because I can't vote

[RachMarie]

No I am identifying his behavior as bad pla and typically the kind of behavior that makes him look scummy even though most of the time it turns out to be a mislynch. I am not saying he IS town.

[RachMarie]

err bad play sorry for the typo stupid pinkeye is still making letters on the blurry side.

[RachMarie]

I would like more from von but he is V/LA I believe until tomorrow?

[RachMarie]

Are we really going to spend the next 3 days discussing anyone but people in group C? For realz.

Come on guys we need some consensus at some point.

Gun to head, who do you feel is most likely scum in group C and who is 2nd on your list in group C.

NOT B, NOT A but C

[RachMarie]

I thik des is scum

I think des is scum

I think des is scum

I have made a flipping case and showed his town play in another game we were int

If I could vote, I wuld vote des

[RachMarie]

Sorry to hear that Ed Hope they feel better soon.

[RachMarie]

THANK you great modly one for the extra time <3


Toto I am still town, just frustrated because so many players were V/LA and the players who were active were all talking about other players that can't be voted today, and I can't vote which is annoying me to no end. As for investigating during the night, look at the OP we do not have a cop or seer role, just Town Agent as our only PR.

[RachMarie]

LUV since you are here for a moment, could you give us more about your reads on group C?

[RachMarie]

no response from LUV

[RachMarie]

You and I are on the same page on the scum reads LUV but why so many null reads?

[RachMarie]

uggh are we really going to have a nl this early in the game seriously?

Von I am also scum reading but hes a lurker who could be checked out, meanwhile Des is my strongest scumz read. I have made a case on him. So yeah the bit about what about the others in C we can't vote it is up to the 12 of you and we need SEVEN votes for a lynch

[RachMarie]

I am afraid we will end up with one the rate things are going

[RachMarie]

Is Des lynched? or at L1? I lost track of the votes


I really miss not having a vote in this game

[RachMarie]

I want to know since my reads were shit in this game, other than the one I knew was scumz and took forever to convince everyone else to vote for him, (Des), why I was nked? Especially over chesskid who along with elli was pretty much running the town side of things?

I was looking forward to finding out my gun result and hoping to get another one. No way you all knew I was the PR I never hinited at it once.

[RachMarie]

Definitely want to see the Mafia QT

[RachMarie]

well that did not answer my question

[RachMarie]

What made you think I was not VT though Trans?

[RachMarie]

BTW had I lived, I would have gotten a gun result on vonflare as him not having a gun. Sorry all for not being a better PR this game I usually get mislynched not night killed though LOL.