Open 702: Vanilla Nightless Game Over

[CultOfAthena]

You're townreading Zaraki for that post?

No way in the world scum want to get on your bad side. You are strong tow n read, controlling the lynches. They get on your bad side, it could game over for them.
And more vague shade throwing from Cult lol

I'm dying. I'm choking to death on irony. It's too much - someone please send help.

[Luca Blight]

I can see my attempts to take this lynch in a new direction are getting me nowhere, so f*ck it.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: LaserGuy

L-1 again, I believe.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

I honestly find Laser scummy, not hammering this post to see if any last arguments.

My next post I will hammer if nothing new.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

Hammer.

Vote: LaserGuy

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.18

LaserGuy(6)

~ Sesq, mozamis, Lucky2u, Impede, Luca Blight, Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez

-- HAMMER

Impede(2)

~ CommKnight, LaserGuy

mozamis(1)

~ CultOfAthena


Not Voting (2): Zulfy, cytheflyguy

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-07 23:39:00)

FLAVOR

This is an automated vote count generated by a tool written by MathBlade. It goes much smoother with exact votes but will try to detect bold votes and misspellings. If you have issues during this beta, please get MathBlade.

Performed 34 calls in 9 seconds. With an average of 0.291235294117647 seconds per call.

MOD Notes

This looks to be hammer but won’t be able to verify til a few hours from now due to RL.

[Sesq]

thats uncalled for

Saying that reading what I write makes you want to mutilate your genitals seems uncalled for. Saying that I don't seem to be thinking very hard seems uncalled for. Calling my posts "padded bullshit" when I've been making the specific attempt to put a lot of thought and effort into my posts seems uncalled for, to me.

THATS THE JOKE !!!!!!

also moz, you really arent helping anymore....

[mozamis]

ah classic sesq, you could start a fight in an empty room.
Hopign i've caught scum, so yeah I'm helping ;P

[Sesq]

no, you're talking complete bullshit w/r/t zaraki, stop, you are helping nobody

[LaserGuy]

ah classic sesq, you could start a fight in an empty room.
Hopign i've caught scum, so yeah I'm helping ;P

Sorry to disappoint you.

Do keep my reads in mind going forward.

Best of luck.

[Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez]

w/r/t?

[Luca Blight]

It means 'with regards to'.

[Luca Blight]

Zaraki, Impede and Zulfy are going to be in the firing line Tomorrow.

Cy either needs to replace-out or get his act together.

Moz and Athena I'd prefer to leave for at least another day if possible.

[MathBlade]

This was indeed hammer

Laser Guy

was town.

Updating settings now for day three.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 3.19

Not Voting (10): CommKnight, Zulfy, cytheflyguy, Lucky2u, Luca Blight, CultOfAthena, mozamis, Impede, Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez, Sesq

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2017-12-13 22:35:00)

FLAVOR

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Performed 34 calls in 26 seconds. With an average of 0.790147058823529 seconds per call.

[Luca Blight]

I do believe a couple of prods are in order.

[MathBlade]

Agreed I am on my phone with friends. Getting to that.

[MathBlade]

Mod notes

Cytheflyguy and Zulfy are prodded

[Sesq]

VOTE: athena

no need to hesitate on this one

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Zaraki

I will make my case in a bit.

Tempted to lynch Zulfy if he doesn't do something constructive today, however.

[Lucky2u]

pretty much forgot Cy was in the game.

So we can move on to Athena?

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Impede

Interesting. Town jumped onto Laser pretty quick. Scum is going to be in that wagon and dead townie was voting this.

I think I'm going to stick with who I was voting for already. That mislynch was bad.

[Impede]

VOTE: Athena

Case to follow.

[Impede]

I'm dying. I'm choking to death on irony. It's too much - someone please send help.

Just saw this and lol'd. Definite pot calling the kettle black.

[Impede]

c'mon zulfer and cult, time to bus to earn that town cred!

Yes, and I'm sure if I'm off the wagon and UCV flips town it'll be scum avoiding a mislynch for town cred, right?

The propsect of joining the UCV wagon with the people on it currently gives me pause. I think I'm going to forego my typical multi-responses and just leave it at this for today. I'd like to see how this unfolds and to hear a bit more from UCV as well as some other inactive slots.

@CoA: you should hop on. L-1 is quite a powerful tool for town. Not like you're signing the death certificate just yet.

I'm fine, for now. See 419.

Well played. Luca is all but confirmed town to me now.

Basically what I'm doing here is creating a lynch pool for us to consider today. Next one up is

Athena

.

I've disliked Athena's posts throughout to be honest - it feels as though she is always looking at the game at an abstract level without really getting involved or posting anything of relevance.

What makes you read this as an alignment tell rather than just a personality trait or posting style? Also, in my defense, nobody ever engaged me at the same level that they engaged others - just look at my attempt to start a conversation get shut down.

Spoiler:

Actually, let's talk about that - where does your scumread on me come from?

no, lets focus on uv today. nice try, though.
your hopeless equivocation is noted.

Furthermore, she pretty much avoided directly tackling the UCV issue and instead appeared to discreetly take the conversation in different directions. Her posts regarding cytheflyguy have also been interesting and should be looked into more if one of these two were to flip red.

By the way, here's a fresh take that's sure to get some debate started - there really isn't all that great of a reason for Luca to be as widely townread as he is.

First we have this post which comes when I'm pressing for more votes on UCV. It came out of the blue, and I'm wondering if the motivation behind it was to discredit my opinion on UCV. 1

In every post she makes after my vote on UCV she ignores the issue and tries to guide the conversation elsewhere, such as in 224, 227, 229, 230, 269 etc etc. 2

In 295, when I was clearly committed to lynching UCV she asks me what I think of Sesq, Moz and Zaraki - again it feels like she's trying to deflect my attention away from UCV, who she still hasn't mentioned at this point. 3

400 - Finally she says something about UCV (who is L-2 at this point) and it's a soft-defence of him.

419 - Explains that the people on the UCV wagon gives her pause. She has still offered no actual opinion on UCV herself by this point and this excuse feels like a cop-out. She then continues to talk about things unrelated to UCV.

472 - Congratulates me and says I'm conf Town now to her, possibly an early attempt to get in my good books ahead of D2.

1 If I were scumbuddies with UCV I would have hopped on his wagon in a heartbeat. Defending him would be an exercise in futility in addition to drawing town focus to myself. Especially in a nightless setup, trying to get all the town credit possible is essential - hence why I'm so suspicious of the others on the wagon, among other reasons. What do you think my motivations for defending UCV would be as scum? It's incredibly doubtful that he makes it anywhere past day 3 anyways - if we're scumbuddies all I do is incriminate myself.

2 Responding to the rest of the game can hardly be called "guiding the conversation elsewhere" - the idea that one conversation needs to be so dominating seems counterproductive to me.

3 I was asking for your opinion. Do you truly believe that nearly every post I made last day phase was an attempt at preventing UC Voyager's lynch? I can understand if you scumread me, but don't start constructing narratives.

I didn't actually expect Luca to be so right.

and me

maybe cyfly. but impede, laser and cult need to be looked at.

"Guys, wait - don't forget about

my

town cred!"

cyfly is town.
mayeb impede is town, his posts today do look town.
i think cult nad laser are prob scum. they were SO reluctant to lynch UV, but didnt have any reasons, didnt really push anyone else.

You're not thinking this through, and if you are then it's on the most basic of levels. This is a nightless setup - scum have no ability to kill off the voices they do not want to be heard. Convincingly acting townie is far and away the most important thing for scum to do. With that in mind, certainly if I had foreknowledge of UCV's alignment I would set myself up for failure by playing in the manner in which I did. The fact that it doesn't even seem like you're considering the possibility of bussing gives me confidence in the idea that scum were definitely hard bussing UCV.

It's possibly a play style, although choosing not to posts things of relevance would be a rather odd one.

The idea that I don't post anything of relevance is unsubstantiated. I'm sharing my opinions, asking questions and pointing out contradictions just the same as others. Anyone could get an good idea of where I'm at with my reads just by reading through my ISO. Personally, I think people probably say this because I condense my comments into a single response rather than making multiple posts. That or they're all scum trying to discredit me, but the first option sounds less paranoid.

This is all WIFOM - the evidence is there in black and white but obviously you can twist it to suit any angle you want.

I think you wouldn't

'jump on his wagon in a heartbeat'

for two reasons - a) losing a scummate on D1 is a huge blow in the setup and b) your bussing might be in vain anyway as people would assume scum would bus, which is what you are doing now.

I don't get why it took you so long to even mention UCV, and the fact that you made a soft-defence at the same time looks bad on you. Yes you can talk about other stuff, but you literally were completely avoiding the entire UCV issue for most of D1, which was the main talking point of the game.

I thought you might say this - the idea that I deliberately went against the optimal play just to make this point is a ridiculous one. Obviously it wasn't getting me townread day one and obviously it hasn't gotten me townread today. In no world does my play yesterday place me in a better position today than bussing would - if I had foreknowledge of UCV's alignment I never would have even considered it.

Why is losing a scummate D1 a huge blow? Especially when it's UCV, bussing a scummate D1 likely puts scum in a better position than a mislynch would.

My bussing might be in vain? I want you to consider two points on this one. The first is that even if people don't townread my bussing, it still places me in a better position than my play has placed me today. The second is that there is only one person in your lynch pool today who was on the UCV wagon.

Cults last few posts once again post very littel in content really, not any reads, just arguing and point scoring.

This is totally wrong and I'm no longer going to sit quiet while I get accused of this. The last

fifteen

or so posts have all been completely relevant game content - me asking Luca about his read on me, talking about the likelihood of bussing UCV, talking about Luca's "embargo", so on and so on. You're just attempting to discredit me - anyone actually reading my posts can clearly see that they're not devoid of content. People should take note of this - scum can't kill off the voices they don't want to hear but if they can silence them or discredit them then the effect is the same.

So do the reasons that you think I'm scum go beyond my relation to the UC Voyager lynch?

THIS IS A SCUM POST.
Scum are always desperate to know WHY people are voting for them, so they can "refute" the point. Town often dont really care why people are vitng for them, or will just tell the other person to STFU etc

Don't project your own playstyle onto me, and don't be so ignorant as to believe that townies could never play in the manner in which I do. The reason I ask people why they're scumreading me is to examine their

motivations

, the most reliable indicator of alignment that I've found outside of a cop investigation. It also has the effect of checking their consistency. Town will change their reads because their mind has been changed by something, scum will change their reads as convenient to them.

i also several times have mentioned the fact that i thought Impede may have busssed.

Yes, there's one person you think may have bussed - the rest of your readslist matches up so closely with the UCV wagon such that that point doesn't really mean anything. If you really are town here, are you

seriously

not more suspicious of the people on the wagon than off? That's the first rule of vote count analysis: when scum is lynched day one, look on the wagon. Especially in a nightless setup where scum need all the town cred they can get and especially when that scum lynched is UC Voyager, the easiest lynch there is and the slot who's probably the least likely to make endgame, I'm going to think that scum bussed hard. I honestly wouldn't be surprised this game if all three remaining scum were on the wagon.

JK. I managed to convince myself upon a reread that my case actually puts CoA in a null-leaning-town read. FML. Moving on... I don't see much merit to lynching her today. The only "scummy" vibes I get are related to tone and to her opposition to the UCV lynch, however, I'm extremely disinclined to think that she would do ANYTHING obvscum on D1 in this game. I also don't really see any strong connection/avoidance of a particular player or cohesion with anyone. That being said, with daytalk, this could be part of Scum's strategy, but I don't find it sustainable if that's the case... eventually we should be able to discern at least one common thread of motivation amongst scum. I'm seeing some frustrated town vibes from her and maybe a little bit too much of an aversion to sheeping towny players, but this is not scum-indicative in my book. In any event, I'm going to check out Zaraki and see what I come up with.

UNVOTE:

[Impede]

Wow wtf. Sorry for the wall post. I had been collecting quotes, but they didn't show up in my quick-reply window. Meant to delete those. Sorry!