Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

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InactionDan + EddieFenix
Majiffy + Thor665
Desperado + unsure now

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If Ginngie is town, the next place I'm looking for is the players that were scum theatering at the end of Day 1.

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Transcend and Toto is an entertaining fight where I'd be shouting "Fight! Fight! Fight!"

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InactionDan + EddieFenix
Majiffy + Thor665
Desperado + unsure now

dan is town replace accordingly pls

Probably most likely traitor rather than goon.

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yeah no creature where the hell are you getting the active as scum part

If you link to the real post there's context prior.

Creature plz respond to this ty.

Nom Assemblerotws for "Lurking as town"

This isn't a random nom. it actully is very significant. Assemble is known for lurking more as town than he does as scum. It is part of his game play. It makes it harder for people to predict his alignment, and makes him more unique than other players. Lurking is his downfall a lot of times, but when the player list has played with him, they tend to know this is normal. He actually is a really good scum. He makes good posts (sometimes) when he does make posts. I think that if there was a title for him based off his game style, this would be it!

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like wtf

creature says assemble is active as scum

I try to check and find no posts from assemble in all the scum games I can find.

I ask creature where the hell he's getting his assemble is active as scum for

Also [url=viewtopic.php?f=51&t=72817]here[/ur] where he had a bit more of activity.

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I think in A it’s Bulb/Dan/Eddie

Agree

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Not gonna insult Desp's reads because atleast he posted reads.

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Postgame I'll probably be whining about how we should've lynched Majiffy D2.

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Ugh, you didn't need to claim.

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Anyone scumreads LUV here?

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even ramcius understands why a group B vote is bad

voting B is basically a scumclaim at this point

Not if we're confident enough scum are Majiffy and Thor.

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Looking for a replacement for Assemblerotws

Just need to replace vonflare now.

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even ramcius understands why a group B vote is bad

voting B is basically a scumclaim at this point

Not if we're confident enough scum are Majiffy and Thor.

why you want lose game on the spot, if you wrong? Also, when you became so confident in your reads? In every game before i wanted PL you for coasting/lurking

We'll have to return to Group B, you know. The game of mafia is based on risks.

Also, I'm decently townreading LUV, momo and SnarkySnowman, so by PoE it's Majiffy and Thor665.

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Well, we're going to risk mislynching in Group A or C and risk losing another PR.

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Not gonna let anyone mislynch Toto though.

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Thor and Jiffy are town to me.

Momo and LUV are scum in group B imo.

Ugh.

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Eddie still reads misguided town

Honestly

He wasn't that misguided before.

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Btw, I highly prefer Group C over Group A.

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Vonn can die
Desp can die
Gingie can die

RachMarie null

Too many lynch options...

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VOTE: Desperado

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Transcend, are you fine lynching Desp?

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hey Critter are you still town reading Von?

Not sure, I have Desp to lynch first.

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If players are townreading checkers and Transcend, then the Group C scum are Desperado and vonflare.

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Oh right, BIOCHEMISTRY.

Lesson I learned in that game: Different perspectives doesn't Always mean someone is lying.

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Is Thor a scumread or is he permanently null?

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Some players have reads too different from others.

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Hey Ramcius, I haven't seen you doing much lately.

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Do you townread Desp?

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I'm not up to wagon vonflare because I feel like he doesn't care for the game regardless of alignment.

Maybe we could get the mod replace him.

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No, I don't think it's Ginngie anymore.

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I still highly think it's Desp.

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Gut doesn't say Desp town.

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Checking "email"

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Glad I disabled show email.

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Oh nvm, it's a reference to Desperado.

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SS is still the towniest of Group B.

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No way I'm gonna finely let people lynch Ramcius.

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Elliberetta, are we sticking with Desp?

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Ginngie, is Desp the best option for today?

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Didn't you scumread Mikan earlier?

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I don't like any of the three vote wagons.

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VOTE: Desperado

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Oh yeah, Bulbazak and EddieFenix are good candidates for Group A scum.

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Won't say Ramcius wagon is composed of only scum, but there must have a lot of scum there.

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The four are still my strongest scumreads from Group A and Group B.

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Any way, I'm still gonna avoid that Ramcius wagon.

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What do you think about this, Transcend?

This is not the Ginngie from Kilos and you know that.

So let's try this is a different way

Why should I be townreading you?

I’m sassy and confident

That’s town me every game

Ask Bulba, Eddie or Creature or I can link PTs I’m a nervous wreck as scum.

Me treating you as a play thing should give you a couple hints

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Prods should be re-implemented into this game.

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hot take gut read - rach is scum here

Uh no.

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This day is going to end in a no lynch

As long Ramcius and Ginngie are the top wagons, the day will either end in a mislynch or in a nolynch.

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VOTE: Desperado

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Toto + Creature you're voting a vanity wagon vote between Gin & Ram

It's not a vanity wagon because there are two voters and we think both Ginngie and Ramcius are mislynches.

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A mislynch seems so inevitable.

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Bulbs town.
VOTE: Ram

Bad vote D:

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scum thor is pocketing town desp

give me my prize

Sure, who is scum from Group C if not Desp?

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Still think people are seeing the light rn.

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Can't scum!Thor be pocketing traitor!Desp?

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hey anti-ramci lynch crew

let's lynch vonflare

Why not Desperado?

vonflare should be replaced pretty soon.

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Vaxkiller is making me want to kill Assemble slot.

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Has anyone PMed about vonflare yet?

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Can I get an early birthday present?

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Like a Desp lynch or a vonflare replace.

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Like risk an infoless lynch and another dead PR the next day?

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Let's see:

There are players that actually think he's scum and isn't just policy lynching him for not doing anything like we have done with CMM. He has been a major counterwagon to both Ginngie and Ramcius.

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What's better? Lynching someone who's actually scummy or lynching someone whose inactivity is pretty much NAI?

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I mean you've heard from several people in thread that he tries as town

like who?

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you know there's a search IN THIS THREAD feature right

Still it's not possible to search "players who think vonflare tries harder as town" and I sorta expected you could say some names.

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I still want someone to point players who think vonflare tries harder as town. I'm considering voting there if that's done.

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I gave the opportunity for someone to convince me on vonflare. Nobody took it.

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*joins large theme game*
*has exams and lots of VLAs*

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The current wagons have stalled, it means one of them should be goon.

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Ginngie wagon is long dead, right?

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@Elli: I think Desp is just trying to lay low here and hoping the pressure goes away.

Bulba you see that you can replace desp with vflare in the above yeah.

The difference is that Desp is online but usually ignoring the thread.

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Meanwhile some players are just waiting the deadline to end...

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Anyone thinks there's scum outside {vonflare, Desperado, Ramcius}?

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Probably the one that built up, then scattered into two counterwagons.

One counterwagon which took a lot of effort to start and other that came as soon players started considering going into that one counterwagon.

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It's my birthday, can I get a lynch atleast?

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I'm replacing out if this ends in a nolynch tbh.

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Tomorrow we're lynching in Group B and it's gonna be either Majiffy or Thor.

If scum ends winning this it's alright, just not gonna nominate them for any scummie.

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Things I've learned this game:
- Don't make a prodless game
- Don't add six scum into a 21 players game.

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InactionDan is still scum btw.

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Is there any game where the players actually want to play?

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I hope this is scum and we regain our focus.

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For my birthday I'd want a goon flip and a guilty the next day.

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We're not lynching in Group A.

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We should pressure Group B. We'll have to revisit here.

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rn I'm interested in preserving our last PR.

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I think we're most likely to hit scum in B.

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I'd rather wait everyone check in before choosing a group.

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i thought he was town BECAUSE HE WAS LURKING.

It's like thinking I'm town for lurking.

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We could try to get the goon from Group C or we could try to get the goon from Group B or possibly the Group B traitor that could be an obstacle to our last PR.

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I'm not a her.

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Sure, traitor would rather get themselves lynched over one of their buddies.

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If you're looking for Group C scum, look here:

checkersman7
Transcend

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InactionDan is one of the scum from Group A.

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It's better than mislynching in Group A and losing last PR.

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If you're looking for Group C scum, look here:

checkersman7
Transcend

Leaning Transcend here.

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Post 4019 says it all.

Better lynch goon from a least risky group and lose PR than mislynch and lose PR.

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I still want reads from Group A because it's the most complicated group rn.

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P-edit: The kill should still be confined in the names that were in Group A. I double checked this with the actions in the last game, and it checks out.

Do I need to draw for you?

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What if we mislynch in Group C and in Group A?

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Sky_Paladin's readslist looks like a list of mislynches for scum to win the game.

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Okay, explain me how they can kill in Group A if we choose Group C and we mislynch there.

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I do have Creature, Elli, Bubla

and if chess and elli agree dan is town

then that leaves

Vax and Sky and whoever i'm forgetting

which is not that hard to do

The problem is that I only townread Toto and Bulba.

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Yeah, we're not ready for Group A.

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Toto, who's most likely scum? Transcend or chesskid?

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Anyone has experiences with Smocaine?

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Yeah, your paranoia should be correct because I townread the rest of Group C.

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What about Group B, chesskid?

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Can I trust town DPI won't end before I wake up tomorrow?

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I guess I can safely sleep without worrying about town choosing a group before I get to talk.

Smell you later.

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More like a hard scumclaim.

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We lose another PR most likely.

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What confirm inno?

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You're assuming vonflare is scum.

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We'll discuss better which group to choose tomorrow.

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tbh chesskid's argument already falls when it relies on vonflare being scum.

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Nah. Scum's Snarky and someone else. Likely Momo.

Which one are you?

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VOTE: Group B

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Pretty sure Group B scum are Thor and Majiffy.

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vonflare is pretty much a mislynch, we know for sure.

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I'll have to find a way to sort through Group A, because there are plenty of awkward players there.

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I'm alright with a dead goon even if it costs us the last PR.

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Let's remember that scum probably already knew Desperado was scum with how obvious he was (unless the scumteam is a bunch of morons).

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vonflare is pretty much a mislynch, we know for sure.

who's goon then?

Ginngie or Transcend.

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Taking a look at VCs, Ramcius is pretty much spewed town by Majiffy and Thor.

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The only fairly solid info I can get from VCA is that Ramcius is town.

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^ This

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Guess what? Vaxkiller's slot is town.

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Hopefully.

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If only one A scum bussed Despy and the other is in {Elli,Eddie} then it's Eddie a million times over.

What's your opinion on Bulbazak's reads being terriblily wrong?

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Lynching Group B either gives us a goon or an useless town member killed.

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Not really. We'll just have to find scum from other groups and eventually merge.

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Maybe you should remember mafia is a game of risk.

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tmw you see someone entirely wrong on both Group B and Group C.

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Don't worry, it's not about you.

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Majiffy/Thor is a "I don't like them" read.

I don't really have a reason to not like Thor from outside influences.

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Nah, I now want to lynch in B.

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Can you all stop voting Group C?

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Creature the risk is way to high

The risk is inevitable.

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Who do you scumread from Group B?

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Can't you answer the question?

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I can but I'm not giving you a fucking venue to run your mouth

What's the problem answering that simple question?

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If we choose C we're lynching Ginngie.

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If we choose group B, we have
- 40% chance of hitting scum and getting a lot of info to work with;
- 60% chance of getting to 1 town and 2 scum in that group, which in that case we just avoid this group until we get a merge.

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Group C is also pretty risky, isn't it? If we mislynch the groupd would be knocked down to a LyLo.

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Not really. We won't lose if we mislynch there.

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3 town
2 scum

We mislynch:

2 town
2 scum

Scum kills:

1 town
2 scum

We avoid that group and even if we lynch a goon the goon can't kill there.

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If a Goon is lynched Mafia can kill outside that group

but only if it couldn't lead to an immediate win

.

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Now, who are your two guesses for Group B scum?

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What's the problem?

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I really fucking wonder Creature

I couldn't fucking tell you

You keep refusing to tell your Group B scumreads and why it's bad to mislynch in Group B, is anything wrong?

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There are 7 votes on Group C.

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Hi Ramcius, what's your opinion on Ginngie's refusal to share her Group B scumreads?

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I'm not scared.

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Hey Ginngie, what do you want to choose Group B?

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Hi Ramcius, what's your opinion on Ginngie's refusal to share her Group B scumreads?

What about you, Sky_Paladin?

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No one will hammer Group C while I'm not here, can I trust it?

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Hi, can a few of you unvote so we can talk better tomorrow?

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Put your answer between:

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I'd be willing to lynch any of them besides Majiffy, and it's not that I town read him, I just want him to live till the game is small enough we can sort of interact, get paranoid at each other, and set up a 1v1

Oh god you're scum and want me to townread you in endgame aren't you

I like that traitor crumb.

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Majiffy is traitor crumbing to goon Thor.

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I'm trying to, but no one wants to vote group B with me.

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I don't think I need to convince you that you are scum.

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It depends on you being scum though.

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Majiffy, the traitor, knows you are scum, but you don't, so he decides to post that crumb so you can notice he's the traitor. That's my theory.

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We're both in B - it's impossible for us to be scum together and know it.

Each group has a goon and a traitor, remember?

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@Mod I am uncertain which mafia members know the identities of which other mafia members. Could you please clarify post-haste?

Goons only know who each other are. Traitors do not know who the Traitors are and do not know who the Goons are.

Ugh, oh right.

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As if you didn't know I was town yet...

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What's the point of lynching in C if you're all just gonna mislynch vonflare?

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2 in 5 chance of hitting scum.

It's 2 in 7 not taking townreads into consideration and also a likely chance of a dead town PR.

Meanwhile Group B it's a 2 in 5 and no dead town PR if we don't hit goon.

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The wagon developed the same way as the CMM wagon, it just didn't end in a lynch because CMM already happened.

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tbh I feel much better lynching in Group B.

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Because we now know scum didn't know Desp was scum or they thought he was just a lost case that should be bussed.

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I'm not confident in lynching vonflare. I feel way better lynching in Group B than lynching in Group C.

Group A is out of question for me.

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We agree not to lynch in B for now.

Don't make me use my last resource.

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C is a shitty idea, I can sense exactly what's gonna happen:

You all will mislynch vonflare and then we won't choose C ever again because it's gonna be a LyLo.

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I actually think we have pretty strong reads to go there and we can get lot of info to work with after we're done there.

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I'd lynch between Majiffy and Thor because I townread the others.

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C is a shitty idea, I can sense exactly what's gonna happen:

You all will mislynch vonflare and then we won't choose C ever again because it's gonna be a LyLo.

But that's where we r at with B

2 scum and 1 town in that group doesn't mean game over.

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Group B isn't at MyLo/LyLo.

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I'd lynch between Majiffy and Thor because I townread the others.

But thats a 50% chance we lose!

No, that's a 100% chance of getting scum if I'm correct about my townreads.

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How can I convince you?

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How many votes group C got?

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How can I convince you?

Claiming a PR...short of that, laying out read using a series of quotes and reasoning

I claim PR then.

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What about you vote Group B?

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First everybody gotta tell their reads on Group B.

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You won't have to worry about mislynching in Group B.

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I'll wait for others who don't want to be mislynched.

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Hi vonflare, who's scum from Group B? We're lynching there today.

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Toto, vonflare, InactionDan, vote group B now.

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Yes, I do.

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everyone from a should check in first again lmao

I guess I saw InactionDan screaming at scum chat.

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Oh nice, this Geriatric Cult has spread to different forums.

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This is what makes me think my reads were good d1:

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... ost1790211

Tell me who's the group B goon then.

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Out the guilty for me then.

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Scumteam already know who it is anyway.

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Oh nice, this Geriatric Cult has spread to different forums.

nah we used the username as a meme

mulch was the one i was in a hydra with lol

Oh right, lol.