Open 700: Donner Party - ENDGAME

[havingfitz]

Will try and get caught up within 24 hrs.

[havingfitz]

Was I actually hammered?

You were L-1. Now you're L-2.

[havingfitz]

Was I actually hammered?

You were L-1. Now you're L-2.

You mean. I was at l-2, now l-1.......ok.......that's good
VOTE: pmmysterious

No..I meant what I said. You were L-1 until Porkens moved to Keychain...now you are L-2. Unless I miscounted. Either way...not hammered.

[havingfitz]

Just over 5 hrs left. Will try to finish reading in next 2-3 hours and make a vote that matters.

Also...I believe top 2 wagons atm are

UCV @ L-3 &
Transcend @ L-4.

[havingfitz]

And UNVOTE:

[havingfitz]

How is voyager not hammered though

I missed the Assembler vote on UCV.

UCV is L-2.at the moment...but I believe your 455 vote was a hammer.

Just need a mod

.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: UC Voyager
assembler must die tomrrow

I believe 455 was the UCV hammer.

Why is assembler scum?

[havingfitz]

Long weekend offline. Will catchup asap.

[havingfitz]

I haven't really posted in this game since replacing in. I read D1 but didn't take any notes. OTTOMH I recall this general sentiment towards players:

UCV - null
Keychain - Town
A50 - slight sus
Transcend - slight sus
______________________
Godel sus
Porkens sus
Not_Mafia slight sus
NSG - slight town lean
Everyone else TBD


D2 catchup...

@NSG...why is it so hard to accept a Transcend and A50 nk? As they could be either alignment surely there is a logical scenario where either the vig or scum/sk would want them eliminated.

Mod...your last comment in the set up says both goons have seperate larders and if one dies...their larder is revealed to town/other Cannibal. Can you confirm that if a Mafia Goon is killed by the sk or Vig...that their larder is OR isn't revealed to town?

@Math...what "limited activity" are you referring to as a reason to implicate NSG? Standard posting in the game since D2 began? <this is discussed further in subsequent posts but I still think pre/post flip activity is NAI.

@Math...Hth does Transcend and A50 suspecting Key make Key scum? And if you are so confident in A50 being the vig...why aren't you voting Porkens at this point in the game?

@Math...hth is that a vig claim by A50?

@Godel...Porkens.

@Assembler...why are one of Porkens or Math scum? Porkens could be telling the truth (which I am inclined to believe) and Math could still be town who is getting it wrong...wrong like most of the people were who voted UCV D1.

@Math...why is Godel "not happening?"

Caught up. The only two people I would not willing to lynch today (atm) are NSG and Porkens.

Of the others from most to least interested I'd vote:

Math/Godel (tossup)
Assembler
PMysterious/Not Mafia (tossup)

I will do some ISOs to see if I can get any of the bottom three off my sus/tbd list.

Math's at L-2 by my count so in the interest of extending the day a bit I'll...

VOTE: Godel

[havingfitz]

Because Almost50 and Transcend have a townie intelligence quotient bigger than mine. Like I start scumreading them if they scumread too much Town. The fact two really good players agree on Keychain is something noteworthy.

We don't know what the aligbments of A50 and Transcend were so their opinions aren't as valuable. And even if they were both town..."Good players" is subjective and everyone makes mistakes.
I townread Key.
I don't subscribe to your A50 vig claim theory.

[havingfitz]

Fitz, not mafia and assembler care to comment on the Mathblade wagon?

It has 2 votes. Just like you and PM (when you asked). So why do you need comment on the Mathblade wagon? Has everyone else opined on Math's 2 vote wagon?

[havingfitz]

Dude he went to L-1 in like a day, and to be honest I am just trying to get you to post, not a lot of content to get a read on.

I did replace in you know? Was my post 685 not revealing enough of my game mindset?

[havingfitz]

Why are you not voting anyone Porkens?

[havingfitz]

assembler is still scum

VOTE: assembler

Do you still suspect Math?

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Assembler

Goedel participating enough to earn a later sorting.

[havingfitz]

Havingfitz, I'm having trouble reading your posts.

Literally or alignmentally.

[havingfitz]

Porkins...as scum try to get non-scum lynched and avoid the same, if I look hard enough I can probably find scum motivation in everyone in the game.

I do not subscribe to you or Math HAVING to be scum just because they have a theory that opposes your claim. I'm not town reading them but there are probably 2 or 3 others I would prefer to see gone before Math barring something changing (flip/info/etc).

Why Assembler over not mafia? Gut? Assembler has a wagon? Nothing terribly concrete...just decided after the last few posts of Goedel's that I was less interested in seeing him lynched than I was when I voted him. Not saying I'm tr'ing Goedel...just wanting to hold off and if we are both still here tomorrow...see where my read on him stands.

My thoughts on what Goedel has said. Without diving into an ISO of him...I get the sense he is awkward and inexperienced and not completely sure what he is doing and while that might result in some of the things he is saying/doing coming across as suspect...I'm starting to get the feel he is trying to find scum. So maybe he's the sk? idk. Hence the preference to wait.

[havingfitz]

Prodge. Will post nlt tomorrow.

[havingfitz]

We know SK is alive.

How? Hypothetically the nks could have been a scum, the sk and the vig. I'm sure that's not the csse but how can you know/assume the sk is alive?

[havingfitz]

In this game we want people off the UCV wagon

My read on Not Mafia just moved townward.

[havingfitz]

SK by setup has one shot night proof.

D'oh. Correct.

[havingfitz]

SK by setup has one shot night proof.

D'oh. Correct.

Hi probTown.

Got a read wall?

amTown
NSG
Porkens
Not_Mafia
Math
Goedel/PM/Assembler

Porkens could be sk or scum that hit vig and stole role but doubtful as he'll probably be sorted tonight if legit.

Really think 2 scum and sk are in bottom 4 listed. Unless fingers crossed one of the nks hit scum.

[havingfitz]

Votecount?

[havingfitz]

Whst is your plan PM? Sre you waiting for more info before voting? Sny comments on the current wagons?

[havingfitz]

I'm going to smack you fitz. Vote count is literally at the bottom of last page with only one vote since. POST MOAR PEOPLE.

Sorry

I ISOd you to find the most recent one and saw it'd been ~24 hrs. Didn't notice it was that close....thought more stuff had happened.

[havingfitz]

Assembler and Not mafia are both well due a prod.

[havingfitz]

I just ISOd Assembler and am still good voting him.

Goedel should be voting Assembler as PM doesn't look to be a lynch candidate today.
PM can choose to hammer Goedel or tie things up at 4 v 4 (Goedel vs Assembler).

[havingfitz]

I just ISOd Assembler and am still good voting him.

Goedel should be voting Assembler as PM doesn't look to be a lynch candidate today.
PM can choose to hammer Goedel or tie things up at 4 v 4 (Goedel vs Assembler).

I doubt that wil work, I have also tried to point out his voting record, I'll just hammer myself in a couple of hours like I said yesterday.

If by some miracle you are town...don't self vote. At least as a courtesy to those not voting you and to make scum earn the lynch.

[havingfitz]

I do not think scum or sk fakeclaim Vig...so I believe Porken's claim. Not sure why he did it but I believe him.

He had to know he was going to be nk'd after claiming so I do not think he veers from his stated target.

I think PM being alive = he's the sk.

The question is...were either A50 or Keychain scum? If not...and assuming PM is sk...then the only thing that could save town would be a lucky roleblock.

I think our best bet is to lynch PM. If he happens to not flip sk, then we would need to pin our hopes on one of the scum being dead already and/or roleblocker intervention. At least if PM IS the dietician we get a cleared player in NSG.

That said...wtf would you investigate your top townread last night PM? That makes no fcuking sense.

Consider my vote on PM. With holding for discussion.

Also...I'm v/LA until Monday.

[havingfitz]

I do not think scum or sk fakeclaim Vig...so I believe Porken's claim. Not sure why he did it but I believe him.

He had to know he was going to be nk'd after claiming so I do not think he veers from his stated target.

I think PM being alive = he's the sk.

The question is...were either A50 or Keychain scum? If not...and assuming PM is sk...then the only thing that could save town would be a lucky roleblock.

I think our best bet is to lynch PM. If he happens to not flip sk, then we would need to pin our hopes on one of the scum being dead already and/or roleblocker intervention. At least if PM IS the dietician we get a cleared player in NSG.

That said...wtf would you investigate your top townread last night PM? That makes no fcuking sense.

Consider my vote on PM. With holding for discussion.

Also...I'm v/LA until Monday.

With Porkens eating both the mafia and the SK kill, Porkens was almost certainly the vig as I said before. He said who he was shooting. PM SK. done. Suggesting any other lynch today is ridiculous.

Now with that out of the way, what are everyone's mafia read(s)?

There is no guarantee Porkens ate two kills. Why would you completely dismiss mafia getting roleblocked? Do you know if the roleblocker is dead?

And it seems funny you saying Porkens was "almost certainly vig as [you] said before"...considering you were trying your best to convince everyone otherwise yesterday until your incredulous end of day post where you came to the (wrong) realization Goedel was scum.

Since you were quoting me when you said this...where do I suggest any other lynch than PM?

I'm assuming since everyone has posted today that either PM is actually the dietician (which I doubt since they are still alive) or they amazingly conveniently killed the dietician N1.

Math...why did you ask for the mafia reads of others without providing your own? My only scum read at the moment is you.

Hopefully there are not 2 mafia still alive. If so I think Mathblade's breakdown of how PM is the best option sums it up nicely. If anyone can think of a way for town to win in the circumstance of 2 scum and 1 sk still being alive...I'd love to hear it. Since PM isn't cooperating that avenue doesn't seem to be available.

[havingfitz]

So that means Keychain was town and both scum are still alive.

I think Mathblade is scum...

I do not see a scenario where going in to N3 with both scum, after lynching SK PM, is more beneficial to town than trying to lynch on of the two goons (ex. MB) and going in to N3 3/1/1.

That leaves scum the decision of trying to kill PM (who most likely has lost his NK immunity) or passing on him for a townie.

And what we would want/trust PM to do.

And whether the RB is still in play and the impact they might have.

Thoughts?

[havingfitz]

Who is assembler's partner?

[havingfitz]

PM Fitz assemblr boom done:

Wrong. I'm the roleblocker.

I blocked Goedel N1 and you (MB) N2.

You're scum

[havingfitz]

Not Mafia already crumbed assembler scum.

WTF are you talking about?

Not Mafia crumbed dietician.

So not Mafia is scum or the dietician.

WTF are you talking about?

I didn't crumb anything

@ MB.

SK by setup has one shot night proof.

D'oh. Correct.

Hi probTown.

Got a read wall?

amTown
NSG
Porkens
Not_Mafia
Math
Goedel/PM/Assembler

Porkens could be sk or scum that hit vig and stole role but doubtful as he'll probably be sorted tonight if legit.

Really think 2 scum and sk are in bottom 4 listed. Unless fingers crossed one of the nks hit scum.

Wrong FYI Fitz isn't the roleblocker or he'd have blocked assemblr or PM.

No...I wanted to block scum to avoid a kill vice the sk who my block would not work against. Plus regardless of the impact my block might have I wasn't going to block the same claimed target as Porken's vig shot.

That left you and Assembler from my suspect pool and Assembler was under more suspicion and therefore less likely to submit the kill. Hence my block on you

Try again scum.

[havingfitz]

so i'm leaning more towards believing fitz here. going to do some reviewing.

Scum could have targeted Porkens along with you. That's the only reason I didn't immediately claim my results. I still think MB is scum...just not entirely for my block on him.

[havingfitz]

I am Town Fitz is scum.

I'm not scum...I'm the Roleblocker.

If not me....who? Do you see a cc?

Was Keychain the RB?

[havingfitz]

Roleblocker doesn't block scum.

And who would the rb you refer to be?

[havingfitz]

If Fitz is town, Fitz believes he has a hard guilty incorrectly on me.

This means Fitz roleblocks me. Town loses as the kill(s) go through.

If Fitz is not the roleblocker then the roleblocker has to block correctly and knows Fitz is scum and has to pick between Fitz and the other scum and wifom it.

why are you assuming that the not fitz roleblocker has to decide between the wifom but fitz as the roleblocker would for sure choose you instead of who he believes the partner to be?

Because Fitz has never read me correctly as scum ever and all of a sudden thinks that he would figure out how I would operate as scum despite me having one of the best scum records on site and I pretty much understand how Fitz operates as either alignment having played with him and how if Fitz is the roleblocker him outing here is just a loss so if he is the roleblocker there has to be enough doubt so scum don't shoot him and he reevaluates and hits scum and Fitz never does so he would block me who he incorrectly believes is confirmed scum.

When I play as scum I literally take set ups like Gistou which was a 42 man coach the other scum team in thread down to their exact actions and get strongman vigged for being too Town.

Like I can plot every action and how it plays out. If Fitz is the roleblocker and doesn't fundamentally shift his reads now the game is done.

That's a lot of logical fallacies you have crammed in there Math.

1) I am the roleblocker. Despite you still calling me scum I think you are somewhat accepting of that fact. So still calling me scum is anti-town of you.

2) I probably have no more than one or two games with Scum!you where we were both active (i.e. not replacing in after the other's demise). It's a small sample size. It was never in a MYLO or LYLO situation before town!me was gone...usually with scum!your assistance. So your sample size is absurd and to suggest it means I'm wrong here is weakshit on your part.

3) Your outcome scenarios are slanted to save your ass.

If we lynch PM today we go in to tonight 3t-2m.

That would leave me as town's only chance of winning by correctly blocking the scumkill. 25% odds. If I block the wrong player scum kills town and we get to tomorrow 2-2 (a scum win I believe).

So I repeat...town would have a 25% chance of just getting to LYLO. Which itself is no guarantee. So town winning winds up much less than 25%.

And with your effort to disparage my playing abilities...to advocate the option that COMPLETELY relies on me blocking correctly N3 = you talking out of your ass to save yourself.



If we lynch you and you are scum we go in to tonight 3-1-1. I can't block the SK so PM is going to get a kill.

I also will have a 33% chance of blocking the scum kill.

Possible out comes from a Scum!MB lynch are:

1) 3t (I block incorrectly + mafia kills sk + sk kills mafia)
2) 2t-1m (I block incorrectly + mafia kills sk + sk kills town)
3) 2t-1m-1s (I block incorrectly + mafia AND sk both kill the same town player)
4) 1t-1m-1s (I block incorrectly + mafia AND sk both kill different town player)
5) 2t-1s (I block correctly + sk kills mafia)
6) 2t-1m-1s (I block correctly + sk kills town)

1, 2 & 5 are easy town wins.
3, 4 & 6 could result in draws? If we go into tomorrow night with both 1 mafia and the sk alive...cross kill potential makes 3, 4 & 6 possible town wins as well.
Even if I block incorrectly N3 town still has a 50% chance of being in a clear cut win situation.

If we lynch you and you are town we go in to tonight 2-2-1.

1) 2t-1m (I block incorrectly + mafia kills sk + sk kills mafia)
2) 2t-2m (I block incorrectly + mafia kills sk + sk kills town)
3) 1t-2m-1s (I block incorrectly + mafia AND sk both kill the same town player)
4) 1m-1s (I block incorrectly + mafia AND sk both kill different town player)
5) 2t-1m-1s (I block correctly + sk kills mafia)
6) 1t-2m-1s (I block correctly + sk kills town)

1 is a possible town win if town are succesful in LYLO.
3, 5 and 6 are possible town wins. This would require going in to the next night with at least 1t alive and 1m + 1sk who cross kill.
4 = draw between mafia and sk? So draw for town too?
2 = eventual scum win.

tl:dr;

The odds of town winning if PM is the lynch are low but are certainly possible (and completely within town's control) if a N3 block is successful and N4 block is successful (or not on N4...resulting 3p LYLO goes in town's favor).

The odds of town winning if MB is lynched and scum are very good IMO. And even if MB is town...town still has a chance of winning.

A lot of town's prospects depend on whether PM would rather give a win to town or mafia OR if he would try to obtain a draw and hope that mafia's actions support that result (i.e. could he trust scum).

I'm not voting PM. I will be voting MathBlade at some point this gameday.

MathBlade, if you are in fact town...use your in awe of yourself town skills to identify who you think the remaining 2 scum are. And leave me out of it because that pair doesn't include me.

[havingfitz]

PM...I realize you're in whatever happens as long as don't lynch me mode but do you have scumreads on anyone? MB or otherwise?

[havingfitz]

so i'm leaning more towards believing fitz here. going to do some reviewing.

Scum could have targeted Porkens along with you. That's the only reason I didn't immediately claim my results. I still think MB is scum...just not entirely for my block on him.

My response above wasn't meant for NSG but rather the PM post below:

The Mafia still have 2 members remaining,

but the kill had to have been roleblocked,

so I'm with Fitz on thinking Math is scum in this scenario.

[havingfitz]

4) 1m-1s (I block incorrectly + mafia AND sk both kill different town player)

Actually, this would be 2 maf, 1 sk. Maf win this easy.

@%=-$!

Correct.

Who is scum Assembler and why is voting the sk better than voting scum?

[havingfitz]

Even though I am still leaning towards Math for today it would be wrong of me to not consider who else might be scum and/or ignore the possibility Math is town.

Of the 4 unknowns in the game (Not_Mafia/NSG/Math/Assembler) I do not consider any of them lock town. I.e.

two of these four players = the scum team.

With only two lynches and no scum flips it's difficult to make any sense out of voting...but I'll look at it any way.

Not_Mafia has voted Assembler almost exclusively this game. Aside from a 4 page stint D2 on Math. During this time Math reached L-1. I have a difficult time believing that a 2 person scum team are going to seriously bus each other in a game with the SK. This to me says it is a bit unlikely that Not_Mafia is partnered with Math. Especially considering scum would not want to vote out such an amazing scum playing partner. Also unlikely Not_Mafia and Assembler are a team.

Assembler has not iirc provided a lot of town benefit. Very lurky as usual. They were on Transcend and UCV all of D1 up through the UCV mislynch and pushed Porkens and mislynched Goedel D2. They were on Math a decent stretch of D2 which makes me think they aren't likely partners. Slight scum read.

Trouble with Not_Mafia is his ISO is pretty much all short one liners the majority of which just urge people to vote Assembler. Not a whole lot to work with there. Based on experience with him though I lean town on him. gut. smh...

NSG has only voted players we know the alignments of and they = 3 townies (2 of whom she was on their mislynch) and the sk <golf clap>. She is a very well-spoken and logical player (NAI) who is not confirmed town by any means. She could be a partner with any of the other 3 unknowns. Slight lean town.

@NSG...why are you more confident in Math as scum than anyone else?

Math has almost the exact same voting pattern as Assembler except substitute Math's very brief NSG vote for Assembler's lengthy Math vote. Math is on both mislynches. Math has ignored possibilities of a town win in any scenario that doesn't begin with killing the sk (aka anything that results in his lynching).

Math was very doubtful of Porken's claim and pushed for Porken's lynch a good part of D2.

Despite having me as town towards the end of D2...Math completely dismisses my claim and in finest omgus fashion makes me one of their two scum reads (assembler being the other).

Scum lean on Math. They have been very flaily and saying anything they can to extend their life...even if it doesn't completely add up and dismisses some pro-town possible outcomes. I am not confident that my block on Math means they are 100% confirmed scum. Porken's could have drawn both the scum and sk shot last night which would make my Math block useless. If it was any other kill than the claimed vig I would lean more towards my block indicating a guilty...but I can see both scum AND sk wanting to get rid of Porkens. However! I think a smart scum team knows they are safe N2 (due to Porken's claimed target) and the chance of killing town and coming in to today 2-2-1 would have almost guaranteed a scum win.

That said...I think Math is suspect beyond my block but I think my block on them cannot be dismissed. Even if Math is town I think town still has thin hopes of pulling out the win...but I think it's more likely than not Math is scum.

[havingfitz]

Math...why aren't you scum?

[havingfitz]

10 days left....not set to vote yet. MB still frontrunner but other game took all my time today. More tomorrow/asap.

[havingfitz]

Yeah...Math isn't doing anything to save his butt. If his play stood for itself I wouldn't have blocked him in the first place.

Not_mafia seems pretty adament that the team is NSG and Assembler but has done nada to try and convince anyone else. Aside from one short incriminating comment towards Assembler from D1 he has done nothing iirc to further implicate Assembler. All we get from him is Assembler is scum, Assembler is scum, etc etc. If you are town Not_Mafia thanks for nothing.

NSG and Assembler are both voting (bussing?) Math and PM is along for the ride. As long as we aren't lynching him he is happy.

I would possibly consider someone else to vote but I'd rather get stuck with a potential unfortunate mislynch than a "WTF are you doing ignoring your block result" pardon on scum.

Keep it simple stupid.

So I'll vote Math shortly.

In the meantime....PM...what is your plan for tonight if Math flips town and if Math flips scum?

I won't be blocking you so you will be able to get a kill off.

I just need to decide whether or not to block anyone tonight and if so...on whom.

If Math is scum I might not block anyone as I expect you will target me in hopes of avoiding scum and getting to a 1-1-1 scenario whereas if I do not block anyone (assuming I'd have blocked correctly)...scum would probably target you in hopes of winning in 3 player lylo.

If Math is NOT scum however I think we would want to work together with you targeting someone OTHER than me and me blocking one of the players you don't target. Best case you hit non shooting scum and I block the shooter. Not sure where that would leave town tomorrow but it would be better than you missing scum and me not blocking their nk'er.

[havingfitz]

Why would scum bus today?

I doubt they would want their partner lynched but a little light bussing for effect maybe.

[havingfitz]

Maybe it's assembler+fitz

You not paying attention?

[havingfitz]

You're literally the only one who scumread me. The ONLY one.

?

You reached L-1 yesterday (without my involvement) prior to YOU helping shift momentum towards the Goedel mislynch.

[havingfitz]

Ok....I don't think anyone is getting lynched besides Math and his last post lacked any effort.

Good luck hitting scum tonight PM.

VOTE: Mathblade

[havingfitz]

VOTE: No lynch

I blocked NSG btw.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: No lynch

I blocked NSG btw.

There is no option to no-lynch. This game set-up is mandatory lynch.

Bastage.

VOTE: havingfitz

[havingfitz]

That Math lynch was terrible, like why? I think fitz is scum and PM is SK

The only way I am not the RB is if Keychain was a RB and I (or a scum partner) killed him D1. Which is not the case. And if you want to suggest the roleblocker AND the dietician (and the vig?) were killed N1...more power to you.

I wish town had joined my (and you) voting Assembler the day before Math was lynched

PK has admitted to being the SK. You should try reading the game.

Sadly I blocked NSG instead of Not Mafia last night. Not sure it would have helped.

Not_mafia...you can quit playing the confused townie. PK and I both know you are scum.

The question is how to proceed in our current 1-1-1 situation. I do not plan on voting either of you and voting myself isn't an option. And if you vote me I suspect you will just cross kill each other this evening.

So pffffffft.

[havingfitz]

PM deserves to win a million times over assembler+fitz

smh

Mod...what happens if I do not vote?

[havingfitz]

V/la till monday. Might lay a vote sooner.

[havingfitz]

Stop saying prove, you can't prove it, even if I was scum you couldn't

prove

it

Prove you're town.

[havingfitz]

So on the assumption it's me against a mafioso and a serial killer, my 1st preference would have been to get myself lynched so they could cross kill tonight. But that still results in a town loss and just a draw between scum and sk. Assuming I have that right. But not a factor since I can't self vote.

Next I thought I would just not vote at all and see where that went. A random lynch of any of us doesn't do town any good either if it's 1-1-1.

So I'm inclined to lynch.

My first thought on lynching was let the sk have the win since I have a soft spot for sk roles. All alone...uphill fight to survive lynching and nk's (unless BP of course).

So leaning towards voting not_mafia and letting PM have the win.

However...and as not_mafia mentions...there is a greater than 0% chance that not_mafia is not the last mafia.

And while I'm surprised this option hasn't been raised...and I do not think it is the way things happened...IF Keychain was scum and killed Almost50 N1 AND PM killed Keychain N1 (instead of A50 as he indicated)...then PM would know there was only one scum left and that A50 was the dietician.

Does hypothetically solo scum Assembler cross kill last night and give town the win or does Assembler hope that PM kills me or NSG and still have life?

Is there a scenario where not_mafia could be town? Yes.

Do I think not_mafia is scum? Yes.

If not_mafia and PM are scum and sk...town doesn't deserve to win, so there really isn't anything I can do wrong at this point other than handing the win to 100% non-town (PM) by voting not_mafia.

Which I can't do.

VOTE: PM

[havingfitz]

PMysterious was a

Cannibal Mafia Goon

Assemblerotws :

Cannibal Serial Killer

The

town

has

WON

Good game scum. Even in defeat.

not_mafia...I wish you posted more but it still worked out.

Thanks Comm for modding.

[havingfitz]

still somehow managed to induce enough doubt in Fitz to make it not a sure thing you'd get lynched.

I didn't have any doubt wrt PM. I was wrong....but considered him confirmed scum (sk).

If not_mafia had been confirmed scum I'd have given PM (sk) the win.

[havingfitz]

PTs will be released later tonight once I get home.

OMG! Comm never made it home!!!

[havingfitz]

Ok...the dead thread can kiss my ass