Open 701: Pick Yer Power X/Y Game Over!

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Pisskop - One scum in the group of 1's for sure.

Also holy shit, look at that. I managed to pick the one number that wouldn't screw me and someone else over.

[CommKnight]

@Mod: Did mafia have pre-game chat before draft was sent in?

[CommKnight]

It can wait for a moment, consider my vote on Mutant for now, his rolefishing was super bad. But I need to know the answer to this question because I think I have an idea.

[CommKnight]

@Mod: Did mafia have pre-game chat before draft was sent in?

Throughout the bidding phases, the thread is locked, however, mafia may collude privately during this time and then again throughout the day.

Now, can anyone guess why I wanted this information?

[CommKnight]

Well Texcat, there's the off chance they didn't have pre-game chat. It goes on to my next point which North already sees.

It is highly unlikely scum picked the same number, that means that in the event we lynch a scummer in such a group, we can theroetically auto-clear the other person(s) who chose that number.

Also based on the logic scum want PRs. Misa actually gets some bonus points. Sure they'll be ahead of anyone who picks a duplicate number, but they'll never be ahead of people who picked a unique number, thus possibly giving up almost all PRs right from the get-go.

We also have another set-up advantage. Vanilla Townies are actually pretty powerful. If they landed a VT role, they know someone in the list above them got the role pair they picked. Which means if someone below them fake claims a role, they can be immediately called out.

But for now, that's what I got. Mutant is definitely a good start with his role fishing.

[CommKnight]

What is Mutant at? I want to put him at L1 if he isn't already.

The only reason I can see for him to rolefish other than taking out town PRs is to have mafia roleblock, jail, redirect, etc.

[CommKnight]

Mutant is at L1, so i say. INTENTION TO HAMMER.

Time for a claim.

[CommKnight]

Oh, that's 7 to no lynch.

VOTE: Mutant

Now he's at L1, anyone want to intent?

[CommKnight]

No. If I role claim I may as well place the vote on myself.

No claim = no sympathy of being hammered. If you don't claim, you will get hammered.

[CommKnight]

Yes, I do think you're scum Mutant. You rolefished and when caught refused to claim and backtracked. That to me is a solid scum-claim. I wouldn't be surprised if one of your buddies was trying to keep you from getting noosed.

[CommKnight]

I wanted to see where the pisskop wagon would go, maybe I could end having a better idea on pk slot and plus some other players.

VOTE: Pisskop

I'm still pretty okay with lynching Mutant if I can drop hammer by day's end. But got enough days left to bark up Pisskop's tree again.

[CommKnight]

Yes, I would policy lynch. Unlike some around here, I was very use to policy lynching people years back and nabbing scum that way as well as weeding out people that'd fuck over the town later with stupid shit. One such person we should've policy lynched here ended up getting me mislynched in LYLO from his very first post that final day because he didn't want to be bothered to actually talk to people or play the game. Had any other townie been in that position we would've had a much better chance of winning.

So policy lynching for me, I have not one single problem with it.

However, today I'd prefer a Mutant lynch as priority #1, he is the most anti-town player here and his play is definitely a scum perspective looking for info on town PRs.

Also Aster isn't quite getting any townie points with his recent post. His obsession with yes-no to policy lynching is reeking of bad intention.

[CommKnight]

Reading Aster's wall. All I got from it? Jack shit.

I have openly said I'll lynch Mutant OR Pisskop. I'll drop the hammer on Mutant if he reaches L1.

[CommKnight]

@Mod:

V/LA till December 7th. Next 3 days are going to be crazy with school projects and everyone wanting a piece of my time.

[CommKnight]

The only real scumread I have rn is CommKnight.

Though, I believe there's scum among these "creature, mutant and pisskop are all scum gg"

I'd love to hear your reasoning for scumread Creature. I mean you keep bringing it up. So spill the beans. You've played with me multiple times now. But this is all you got to offer?

Also I am still going to go with Pisskop or Mutant. People seem too scared to actually go through with the lynches. I'm not.

[CommKnight]

Cool, Creature completely ignored my post right above his last one. I'm okay with a Creature lynch today as well. His pushes are becoming shit and he has refused to explain any of them and chooses to remain vague.

I've been locked in with 2 people I'm willing to lynch, now there's a 3rd.

Not really interested outside of these 3 for today, but I am watching what's going on. Just nothing to add currently other than 1 of these 3 gotta go today.

[CommKnight]

Actually Creature, I'm placing bets on a noob scum-team right now.

[CommKnight]

Also Occam's Razor.

[CommKnight]

So less than 48 hours left, better pick 2-3 wagons and begin narrowing this shit down.

[CommKnight]

Well shit.

[CommKnight]

Texcat - 2
Northsidegal - 3
Assemblerotws - 4
CommKnight - 6
Mutantdevle - 8

MisaTange - 30 - Town

CityElectric - 5
Chip Butty - 5
Wilky - 7
Creature - 7
Lalendra - 7
Aster - 1

Pisskop - 1 - Town

Viomi - 1

I have an idea of narrowing down scum, but it's completely gut for now and it's something maybe only I would do. But it's interesting scum didn't aim at someone who was higher up on the list for a better chance to kill a PR. My theory? Scum in the top 5 people. They don't want to narrow it down for some reason but still want to kill the mid-tier players to snipe out any PRs that got through.

I'm thinking we look more into Chip and City today. 5 is a sweet spot for scum to pick a number. So my bet? 1 town, 1 scum, right there.

[CommKnight]

The lynch is staying below Misa's point on the draft order. There's probably scum above her, but we'd be outing our PRs by forcing people to claim.

Want to dispute it? Bring the cop checks to back it up. If not, we continue low on the list and aim for the people who tried to get high in the order pick and failed.

VOTE: Chip I have no clue what Viomi sees in Chip. But it's likely scum.

[CommKnight]

The problem is, there's 3 scum. If 1 is above Misa, 2 are below Misa. Let the potential PRs worry about sorting each other, we need to take out the first two scum first.

[CommKnight]

The problem is, there's 3 scum. If 1 is above Misa, 2 are below Misa. Let the potential PRs worry about sorting each other, we need to take out the first two scum first.

And how do you know not all three scum are above Misa? It sounds like you have more information than me somehow.

Who knows, maybe the other 3 are scum? Either way, I'm not risking outing our town PRs on DAY FUCKING TWO. Chances are, we have a cop collecting some alignments before outing, choosing to go after all of our potential PRs D2 sure is a fucking scummy ass thing to do.

Anyone actually have a problem avoiding outing PRs or shall we make a lynch list of people who don't know how to protect PRs anymore in Mafia?

We continue with pushing people below Misa, I'm even including Mutant to avoid lynching today and I fucking SR the shit out of that slot. But protecting our PRs is much more valuable.

So unless someone has some concrete night information to share, we continue down the line. Got a problem? We'll discuss your poor town strategies after this game is over for hopefully a better PYP next time 'round.

The question is: Chip or City. Which one of those two is scum?

[CommKnight]

The question is: Chip or City. Which one of those two is scum?

My guess would be Chip.

But I think the Viomi lynch is better. I think there is a scum among the people who picked 1, and I think that's much more likely than among the people who picked 5. The question should be: Viomi or Aster. And the answer is Viomi.

Honestly, I can roll with this, but I have high suspicion one of the 5's is scum.

VOTE: Viomi - A 1, buddying, gunning for the PRs by aiming higher than Misa. They can die.

[CommKnight]

@Chip

1.) I know my alignment.
2.) It plays into a theory I have where 1, 3, 5 are likely the numbers scum chose. Maybe it's part OCD on my end, but it does seem likely scum wouldn't just pick like 1,2,3 or something cheesy like that. But they also wouldn't be completely random. Because their goal is to get all 3 of them to be PRs. Which means they're more likely to pick a number that would get them closer to that goal.
3.) The number 5. What townie would pick it? (Obviously one did pick it though), it's just as number that rings "Possible 2nd/3rd in order if all the townies pick the first 4 numbers".

[CommKnight]

So Viomi and Chip. Got cha. One of them is scum if not both.

[CommKnight]

Yeah, no. I already gave my reason. Gunning for the top draft order is most likely to hit town PRs or at the very least out them for scum to kill. No town motivation at all to push for that D2 before we even nab one scum for a better picture on who in the top draft we should be pushing.

[CommKnight]

The lynch is staying below Misa's point on the draft order. There's probably scum above her, but we'd be outing our PRs by forcing people to claim.

Want to dispute it? Bring the cop checks to back it up. If not, we continue low on the list and aim for the people who tried to get high in the order pick and failed.

VOTE: Chip I have no clue what Viomi sees in Chip. But it's likely scum.

Your reasoning is flawed and you give no reason for your scumread on Chip.

Also, you even admit that there's probably scum higher on the list but still insist on voting lower? We have protectives, as well..

Edit: texcat is dumb damn. rip intellect

It's sly, but it's there.

[CommKnight]

You can't end a wagon you aren't even on Creature. Viomi is being lynched and if she flips scum, you're next.

[CommKnight]

The lack of counter wagon is the only concerning thing to me. Viomi has been scummy and scum might be afraid of being called out if Viomi flips red.

[CommKnight]

The only other viable option I see today is lynching Chip.

[CommKnight]

So let's break down Aster's post fully. I forewarn you, I am going to be an asshole in pointing out some things I thought was obvious or that is obviously not read by Aster at all correctly.

At this point, I think a Viomi lynch simply isn't going to happen; at least, not now. Just like yesterday's mutant and pisskop debacle, a whole lot of players are happy to join the bandwagon and race a target to L-1, but nobody actually intended to lynch them. And I don't feel like hammering her under these circumstances either.

Gee, this sure does sound a lot like what Creature has been pushing.
1.) He's at L1/L2. Not going to happen? Just needs 1-2 votes to be hung.
2.) I intend on fucking lynching him. "Nobody" is objectively wrong from me alone. There's others like Tex who also want Viomi lynched.
3.) No one is asking you to hammer. You and Creature don't control town dipshit.

So I'm going to sidetrack and propose a fresh new target:

CommKnight

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My main reason for picking CommKnight are his insistent attempts to lock down the lynch to specific targets and calling those who do not follow him scummy.

Really? I'm pretty sure mutant hasn't been an avid fan of me nor has most of the players. I don't do fan-service either. I call scum as I see them, whether they buddy me or not.

Let's look at the timeline. In post 560 he claims that there are most likely scum in the top 5 players. He also wants to lynch one of the players who sent in "5" because of his gut feeling about that number.

Lol "top 5" and "number 5". I'm just thinking about that now where both of the groups have the number 5 associated with them. But in all seriousness, you expect the top 5 people to be town in the draft order? I'd love if we all are, but it's unlikely. So yeah, there's probably most definitely at least 1 scum in the top 5 draft order players. That's really not a far fetched statement considering how much of the player base that actually covers.

In his very next post 603 he demands to lynch nobody above Misa, because of "protecting power roles". Ironically, in the very same post he demands we back up our claims with cop investigations if we want to lynch among the top 5, which is virtually impossible for most of us and even goes quite contrary to protecting the cop's identity.[/vote]

You really didn't think this paragraph through at all.
1.) Yes, why out/lynch Power Roles D2? That makes little sense sense. Only scum would want to risk outing our doctor, cop, watcher, etc.
2.) Yes, if a cop has a GUILTY on the top 5, that kills the mafia in the top 5 and allows us to potentially completely avoid making any of the other top 5 from claiming. I think anyone who plays any game with a cop, knows that if you have a guilty and potential protective roles, YOU FUCKING OUT YOUR GUILTY.

In post 615 he once again forcefully pushes on with lynching either Chip or City, for no other reason than that they sent in "5". He also wants to remind us that not following his orders is scummy. In post 621, he delivers us some new grade-A bullshit theory on why numbers 1/3/5 have to be scum and ergo we should lynch among the number "5".

If you aren't thinking about draft numbers and the motivation behind picking a number. Then you completely miss out on a scum-hunting method in this game set-up. I know it might be difficult for some people, but depending on the game set-up you're doing, your game strategy and ways of hunting scum actually SHOULD be changing to catch them off guard.
1.) We know scum want PRs to: A.) Grab potential extra kills. B.) Stop town from getting investigative and protective roles.
2.) We know scum had pre-game chat, enough to at least establish numbers that do not interfere with chances of receiving said PRs.
3.) A pattern of some sort just makes sense.

Now in post 764 he once again tries to tell us that the only viable alternative to lynching Viomi is lynching Chip. Not that he ever stated why he wanted to lynch Chip, maybe because Chip sent in a 5?

Have you even been reading the game? Out of the 5's, Chip has has some pretty scummy moments. He'd be my only alternative vote aside from Viomi. I'm not saying anyone else can't vote other people. But those are the two I am going to vote today. Don't like it? I didn't fucking ask for your opinion on who I scumread.

CommKnight, guess what?

I'm sick of you telling me who we can and cannot lynch.

VOTE: CommKnight

Yes, that just happens to be one of the players above Misa. Mad?

Actually, contrary to your belief, I'm having a bit of fun. Get to finally rip into your bullshit posts and rip it apart paragraph by fluffy fucking paragraph of non-reading bullshit.

I already explained why CommKnight was somewhat suspicious based on the mafia nightkill in post 580. Of course, it'd be madness to lynch somebody based on that alone, but I do think it nicely corroborates the story of CommKnight being scum, realising they screwed up with the nightkill, and now desperately trying to keep the lynch away from the top 5 because there are scum in the top 5.

Your night kill analysis was a fucking joke. Want me to rip that post apart next? I'll do it like this one and answer to each shitty paragraph that didn't even take a moment to put some serious thought into. Want to know why they killed Misa? Aside from having a pretty townie D1, the number 30. What scum would potentially be the last person in draft order? What scum would actually pick that high of a number? I didn't want to draw attention to that while Misa was alive, but for fuck sakes. If there was a doubt in your mind of Misa's townieness, you really need to start back at 0 and reread the entire thread and then head right on over to the game set-up mechanics and maybe do a bit of analysis there. Maybe you'd draw some better conclusions.

Anyway. I'm done with that post of yours, you want me to rip your other posts apart, just let me know. I'd enjoy it because I haven't really liked a single one of them for solving purposes.

P.S. LOL at Creature's Comm vote. It took Aster to make a pretty bad case for him to plant his vote. If Creature flips red, I'm going to LOL because he's been too scummy to be scum so far.

[CommKnight]

LOL the "[/vote]" screwed up my formatting. It should've been a "[/quote]"

[CommKnight]

My perception is that CK started off quiet and raised the level of bombast when people started noticing. Can anyone confirm/refute?

Maybe it's worth your time to begin considering why I am quiet instead of falling into Creature's "Comm isn't usual Comm" trap. That's all people's argument on me is based on. My activity level or the fact I don't have perfect reads by D2 with 0 scum caught and 0 guilty claims from any existing cops.

Which correct me if I'm wrong, plenty of people are guilty of both this game.

[CommKnight]

Just because I know Chip isn't going to get what I'm saying, let me break this down.

There are 8 possible PRs existing

Texcat - 2 (8/8 = 100% chance)
Northsidegal - 3 (7/8 = 87.5% chance)
Assemblerotws - 4 (6/8 = 75% chance)
CommKnight - 6 (5/8 = 62.5% chance)
Mutantdevle - 8 (4/8 = 50% chance)
MisaTange - 30 (We know they landed VT)
CityElectric - 5 (3/8 = 37.5% chance)
Chip Butty - 5 (2/8 = 25% chance)
Wilky - 7 (1/8 = 12.5% chance)
Creature - 7
Lalendra - 7
Aster - 1
Pisskop - 1 (Confirmed VT)
Viomi - 1

Those percentages assume that the one above them landed an unclaimed PR. For each one failed, the person below them gets a better chance of landing a PR during the draft).

So you may be saying "Cool Comm, but who cares?" Well, Mutant and above (the top 5) have over a 50% chance of landing a PR. 2 of which ARE town with probably 4 of us being town and 1 being scum. So why avoid the top 5? You're going fucking hit a town PR which might end up being jailkeeper or doctor or even the bloody cop.

I'm not pushing easy lynches. I'm pushing slots I think are scum that virtually have 0 chance of being a town PR. I'm confident there's 2 scum in the 5's and below in drafting order. 1, 5, 7. Those are the 3 numbers picked more than once and successfully lynching a scummy in ANY of those numbers pretty much clears everyone else who chose that number. So not only am I avoiding potential town PRs, I'm essentially pushing for the ability to clear multiple people based on getting a successful scum flip or two.

Which scum will be forced to decide to allow cleared townies to stay alive or shoot in the potential PRs and try to hit our doctor/jailkeeper.

There, want me to dive further into my plan so the entire scum team can see it, or are you, Creature, and the rest of the ones who can't analyze a player anymore these days good to fuck off for a bit? I've been pushing a very pro-town agenda and I get a chuckle out of Creature's constant "Comm is scum" bullshit. He can't even really explain what exactly makes me scum.

[CommKnight]

I'm still laughing, I explained it out and people still don't understand it. I'm sure scum figured it out by now. Also LOL at Viomi's scum reads ALL being in the top 5 drafting order, get lynched scum.

[CommKnight]

Tl;dr:

CommKnight is trying to deceive town for his own agenda. Deceiving town is both antitown and scummy. My vote stays where it is.

Actually you're being extremely deceptive here Aster. If anyone actually reads your post, it's more bullshit than anything. I already factored in the fact that ANYONE WHO FAILED TO GET THEIR ROLE CHOICE EACH PERSON BELOW THEM HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF RECEIVING THE ROLE THEY CHOSE.

But you know, selective attention span is quite a feat.

I mean sure, actual percentage chances vary based on what roles are more sought after, but approaching it from a random pick chance and the fact I'm sure people are intelligent enough to look at where they are in the pick order and likely try to pick a role that is unpicked by their point in the list. My percentages are actually pretty close to spot-on. They have that percent chance of CHOOSING an unpicked role during the draft. Whether they pick a role likely already taken or not is an individual choice and mistake.

Could you sum up in a sentence or two why you think Chip, Creature and Aster are scum?

Chip - Playstyle, gut, theory of scum number choices, and he hasn't exactly screamed townread to me at all this game.

Creature - Never said I SR him. I said specifically too scummy to be scum. I'll trade Creature from your list of 3, for Viomi, who I'm currently voting. Her constant eye for top 5 players who are going to contain town PRs is just stupid. Again, plays into my numbers theory. Also I'm not the only one getting scum vibes from her and nothing townie really at all. Buddying anyone who isn't in top 5 draft order.

Aster - Now this one is legit the fluffiest scum-poster this game. This is that one that sticks out like an obvious nail in the floor when you stub your toe on them. ISO Aster for a moment, take a moment to really read the few posts they have and tell me does it read as scum-hunting or trying to fill content to seem super active and "Scum hunting". Also another one looking at the top 5. Basically buddying anyone below Misa's slot in the order list.

Now something people keep skimming over is the fact of IF WE LYNCH IN THE MULTI NUMBERS. WE CLEAR SOME TOWNIES AND FORCE SCUM TO DECIDE TO KILL A CONFIRMED TOWNIE OR LOWER THE POOL OF THEIR SCUM PR(s).

Seriously, it's being glazed over and no one is using their head there. Lynching below Misa's placement in draft order gives us a chance to find some clear townies.

[CommKnight]

Also the order of my scumreads right now go:

Viomi -> Aster -> Chip.

Since I'm voting Viomi, it should be obvious what order that is in.

[CommKnight]

I can't quite work out why this player was killed in relation to the draft order, so I assume it has something to do with her reads being dangerous maybe? Could be stretchy. Just want to see what others think.

1.) Voting me was during the joke phase.
2.) Pisskop died D1 and flipped town.
3.) Many people voted mutantdevil. He was going to be the first lynchee of D1.
4.) Oh look, voting Aster, the person you're dropping your TR of me for pushing when nothing from him is all that great but even a nightkilled townie voted there. HMMM...

As to the draft order, people at the top of draft order are a lot less likely to pick a protective role than someone toward the middle.

[CommKnight]

Well I'm going to sit back here and watch as Cheeky single handedly helps scum out every fucking town PR we have. Because screw cops and what not these days. Obviously don't need them.

[CommKnight]

You know what? Fuck it.

VOTE: Assembler.

At least when it all backfires, I can say I told you so.

[CommKnight]

Or it means you're a fucking idiot and I'm going to show you why.

[CommKnight]

TL;DR: Reads change. Aster is the fluffiest poster here all concluding in diddily squat.

[CommKnight]

Honestly this is becoming comical. When I flip and people realize I've been playing like I've been playing, they're going to have to look in the mirror and facepalm pretty fucking hard.

[CommKnight]

Yeah.. Comm's "hoping around". I love how your ISO dive brought up a grand total of 6 votes. First being joke, then me saying all day I'm fine with Mutant or Pisskop lynch. Follow by Viomi and then saying fuck it and voting Assembler because I want to show you how fucking stupid all of your pushes on the top 5 are.

So good job proving my point for me Cheeky.

[CommKnight]

Oh and two of my votes today are on my SR's with my recent Assembler vote being an annoyed vote. But give yourself a round of applause.

VOTE: Viomi

Back to lynching scum.

[CommKnight]

1.) Mutant was PR fishing early D1. This has been explained. Aster is misrepping my stance on Mutant completely.
2.) Misa is actually in position to be possible doctor/jailkeeper. Also the number 30 was an obvious town-tell. This is him faking ignorance to those facts.
3.) Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Tracker, all top chances in top 5. Why do we want to out a cop or doctor or tracker this early when they can get us a guilty tonight or even tomorrow night? D2 is just too early to push top 5. Wait till D3 or D4 at least where they got 2 results.
4.) Reads change and Mutant is still possible to be scum, but for the sake of not outing PRs and to clear people by finding the scum in the multi-picked numbers, I'm pushing a different angle today to get scum.
5.) And who's to say lynching myself won't be the same fucking result of lynching a town PR? I've been pretty fucking subtle hinting at it all fucking day but this town is too fucking stupid to read between the lines. But SCUM has already probably figured me out by now.

[CommKnight]

Well obviously you are since it took that for you to back the hell off. The rest of those questions are literally answered throughout the entire game.

Both Aster and Viomi are 1's but only 1 of them can be scum. I'm beginning to think it's Aster because of his long-useless posts that seem to persuade people easily (potentially his scum buddies) into doing his bidding.

But I gotta head in for work, so I'm done with this conversation for now. Tonight Tex or I likely die now.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Cheeky

I'm curious to see the resistance to this wagon. Viomi and Aster I'm putting aside for a moment here.

1.) Cheeky only backed off when I outed I've been softing PR.
2.) Cheeky continues to push for top 5.
3.) I'll say this: The role I got, I am almost certain the 3 people above me are town. Because this role pair would've been one of the FIRST picks for scum and I successfully denied them the role.
4.) Agreeing with the likes of Aster and Chip? Possible trio scum-team?

@Creature, do you think it's worth outing a 3rd PR today? Tex and I are already outed before N2, it's obvious scum want to know the PRs before going into N2 so that they can reduce the results we get. We should be lynching those who want to play an anti-town game.

[CommKnight]

3.) I'll say this: The role I got, I am almost certain the 3 people above me are town. Because this role pair would've been one of the FIRST picks for scum and I successfully denied them the role.

And yet you voted for Assembler, who is above you and therefore almost certainly town, just so you could prove your point?

Yes. If town is stupid in my games, I WILL do something to prove my point so that we can get back on track and lynch scum. I don't carry vindictive agendas outside of a game so even if town is stupid one game, I won't hold it against anyone in the next game because it's all in-game banter/heat.

If you think I'll hold punches, you really do have a bad read of me.

[CommKnight]

So I've finished my spreadsheet. There are 12 completed pick your power games and I've salvaged as much relevant data from them as I can. But now I'm making different tables that list statistics based on this data. This is so that I don't have to calculate things in the moment when I am curious about a certain probability. For example, I have created a table over how frequently each number is picked and how frequently they are picked by each alignment. If we were to go on player's draft numbers

alone

, then this is the probability each player still alive would be scum:


mutantdevle: 33.33%
CommKnight: 26.67%
Aster: 25.93%
Viomi: 25.93%
texcat: 21.05%
northsidegal: 20%
Chip Butty: 16.67%
CityElectric: 16.67%
Lalendra: 10%
CheekyTeeky: 10%
Creature: 10%
Assemblerotws: 6.9%


Obviously, the number chosen alone would be a terrible reason to scum read someone. But if you are ever split between 2 people to either lynch or use a night action on then you could always look at who has the highest percentage of being scum. (in before this advice gets me killed since I chose the scummiest number).


Another fun fact: we have a 58% chance of winning

Shit like this is why I'm slowly sliding Mutant up the scale from scum -> town. He had a super bad early game that I hard SR'd him for. But he's been getting better. Also LOL at him and myself being the most likely scum numbers. But OH LOOK, Aster and Viomi is right below us tied for 3rd. I wonder which of the two is scum, because they've both been scummy, it'd be nice to be able to clear one of them.

Also Assembler has the lowest percent chance? Shit. Guess Cheeky's push is way off base.

Anyway, what do you think about Cheeky? I'd like to assume she's town, but her game so far has been pushing my read away from that. She's even higher on my list than Aster and Viomi which is pretty hard at this point in the game.

[CommKnight]

CommKnight (5) - Aster, Viomi, Chip Butty, CheekyTeeky, City Electric,
Creature (1) - northsidegal
northsidegal -
Aster -
texcat -
Viomi (3) - Lalendra, texcat, Assemblerotws,
mutantdevle -
Chip Butty (1) - mutantdevle
Lalendra -
CheekyTeeky (1) - Commknight,
CityElectric -
Assemblerotws -

Not Voting: Creature

With 12 Alive. Takes 7 To Lynch. 6 To No Lynch.

Now this is juicy. Either I get hammered and a light is shined upon those I've been saying to look at (oh look, BOTH 5's are on my wagon as well as BOTH 1's with CheekyTeeky).

Not only that, but now with me being a claimed PR, it's going to be pretty bad for them when I flip green. I suggest even if I survive today and die tonight to look at those 5.

Anyway, everyone not voting me = 7 people, so we need this 7 to lynch anyone but me. The options are: Cheeky, Chip, or Viomi. Guess it's majority rules now for this. Honestly, out of Viomi and Aster, I think Aster is the scum in the 1's. But we could go for Chip or Cheeky, I'm like 70% sure both of them are scum. Also City just seems like an unreading townie who's voting wherever.

[CommKnight]

@Mutant, North, Creature, Lale, Tex, & Assemble. If you think I'm town and scum dun-goofed with this wagon. Then help me lynch Cheeky.

[CommKnight]

Oh look. Mutant is using his brain. He's closer to the target than anyone so far, but to protect other PRs, I'm not hard claiming as my claim would just make my role useless at this point.

Either they need to shoot me tonight or push for my mislynch today. The question is, will they take the risk of shooting me tonight? PGO, Doctor, Watcher, many roles are still possibly in play that would not end well for them.

@Creature, well if you don't want to lynch me, Mutant doesn't want to lynch me, Lale doesn't want to lynch me, we gotta pick someone instead of beating around the bush.

[CommKnight]

@Scum team, please debate which role I am tonight in your private chat as well as why I am that role, I want to read it post-game to see who got it right and how.

On a side note: I disagree with Viomi's lynch over Aster's right now, but if it's to protect myself, I will lynch Viomi. I just think the scum team is Cheeky, Aster and either City or Chip at this point. That's what my gut is telling me, that's what my reads are telling me, and that's what the VCA is telling me.

[CommKnight]

So Aster is confirmed scum and Viomi is confirmed town. Thanks for outing that piece of information Aster.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Aster

This is scum. Let's just fucking lynch it already and clear Viomi,

[CommKnight]

So Viomi, you REALLY think no scum chose 1 as their number? Not a single one out of the 3 of them?

[CommKnight]

Why does Aster!scum = Viomi!town?

If you don't understand how this basic logic works, no wonder you can't understand me pushing people lower on the list than Misa.

Here's a question that answers your question when you think about it some more: Why would scum both pick the SAME NUMBER?

[CommKnight]

Also in case I die before the end of tonight: 1 scum in 1, 1 scum in 5. I'm calling that bet early. The third is still a bit of guesswork, but this is almost with certainty that I am right here. Both 1's and both 5's are voting me.

Also feel free to read some nightless games that just ended. One specifically that had 4 scum and the rest VTs I had 3 people voting me by page 5 and all 3 of them were scum. It's because I'm an active threat and this game where I'm a PR I'm a deadly threat to scum. I find it funny Cheeky pushes this "A dead PR scum is better than a dead non-PR scum." I can almost translate this to scum saying "A dead PR town is better than a dead non-PR town." And it's so bloody clear.

I can lynch: Aster, Cheeky, or Chip. I think these are our 3 scum, but we need ALL of the people not scum-reading me to agree on a single one. Which is the problem we keep facing so instead of one of them compromising, one of these people are going to last-minute hammer a town PR to "prevent a no-lynch" instead of compromising on a TR of theirs that let's face it. Is probably a scumbag.

[CommKnight]

Like the translation to me says Viomi is a town VT. One who doesn't even realize that I'm helping to prevent their mislynch today by avoiding the wagon now even though it could save my own hide today.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Chip

CHIP OR BUST!

My question Viomi: I could've kept pushing for your lynch and didn't. There's more than enough people willing to vote you to put you to L1 today, why are you opposed to hunting for scum outside of lynching me? There's 3 people who REALLY want me dead today because I'm a claimed PR and they don't even get to find out WHICH PR I am until my flip. That means I could be dangerous, I might not be. But they are essentially forced to either kill me tonight and I'll die anyway or leave me around, hope town mislynches me at some point but also risk me outing any one of them with a hard claim.

This is a game of chess and scum and I have each other two moves from check-mate. So do you think all those on me currently are all town Viomi?

[CommKnight]

@NSG, you're a bloody idiot. I'm just gonna call you out here since after my lynch you'll be like "Whoops, I was wrong". No shit sherlock.

Do me a favour though, when I flip green and a PR at that. LOOK AT MY FUCKING WAGON. Don't act like a dumbass and look elsewhere and be like "OH LET'S LYNCH ANOTHER PR!" Because it worked so fucking well the first time.

That goes for the townies on my wagon, look at it closer tomorrow. You can't TR everyone on a flipped town PR wagon. That's just idiotic.

[CommKnight]

>>>VOTE CHIP<<<

[CommKnight]

Either I'm being hard pocketed here, or a solid town bloc is beginning to form and there's quite a few people who aren't on it who will want to be on it. But won't ever get that chance now.

<Creature, texcat, Viomi, mutantdevle>
<northsidegal, Lalendra, CityElectric, KidAmn>
<Chip Butty, CheekyTeeky, Aster>

4 lock-town, 4 neutrals and 3 current SRs.

Kid and North should be safe today because of their top 5 in draft order. (Just trust me on this, I've been saying it all day and there's a bloody reason I've been saying it).

You guys won't lynch Aster for some unknown reason. (Seriously, if I don't make it to mid-game/end-game and he's still alive, someone needs to lynch that scum-sack).

I'm tending to believe Lale might be town here. Just no solid read yet on that.

I really think the lynch should be in City, Chip, or Cheeky today. Legit 2/3 scum at the very least gotta be in this trio.

So my question is: Why TR Chip? Who here TR's him? At all? What has he done besides hop on my wagon and push for PR deaths to make you guys avoid lynching his ass?

[CommKnight]

Three of the most towniest players. Cheeky is a scummy or a VI.

[CommKnight]

CheekyTeeky has the potential to be VI, Chip Butty on the other hand could very well be taking advantage of the situation.

I can assure you CT isn't VI.

Oh? Scum-fucker or you just hard-buddying?

I'm more confident on CB than CT. CT is probably just stupid and not even reading Kid's stuff. Kid is smart, but their tunneling is probably one of the worst Comm tunnels I've seen. He won't say what happens if (and when) I flip town? Only "Comm is scum, we'll look at CT after his flip." So what happens when I flip town sherlock? Gonna say "Ooops, now I gotta reread because my initial reads were more garbage than the local landfills and that dirty ass water them African kids gotta drink because of all this stinking garbage floating down their water-ways."

[CommKnight]

Or you know Cheeky. You can stop playing stupid and actually help us scum hunt. The wool has been pulled over your eyes so to speak (as Viomi puts it). I'm not pushing Viomi anymore, you're not sure I'm scum anymore. Bit what about Chip? Do you even TR that? WHY???

How about instead of bitching about being mislynched, you push an actual lynch on scum. You know Creature, Viomi, myself and a few others are looking to nail a few people outside of just me and you. So wake the hell up, ignore the fuckers tunneling myself or Viomi and actually help push a fucking lynch on scum. For fuck sakes.