Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Majiffy]

Hello I'll read when I'm home from work.

[Majiffy]

Let me preface that the following joke was much funnier before I realized nested spoilers don't work on this site and I'm a little upset about that.

Spoiler: A ketchup post

Spoiler: Sorry I meant catch-up

Hello this is your fearless leader CHECKERSMAN7 here to give you the THREE SIMPLE STEPS to winning this game.

1. SHAMELESSLY AND BOLDLY SHEEP CHECKERSMAN7
...
4(Bonus). UTTERLY HUMILIATE THOR AND MAJIFFY SUPPORTERS AROUND THE WORLD

Gonna need you to go ahead and just check that Flowchart I have handily linked in my siggy there because your steps appear to be in direct conflict with the proper order of operations.

A TOWNBLOC OF 11, with a MAXIMUM OF THREE IN THE SMALLEST GROUP, CAN DECIDE THE DAY ONE SCUMFUCK

This is actually a good idea so I'm gonna claim it as my idea and we can proceed.

o7

the fuck is this nonsense

Looks like me looking for who the fuck asked you tbh

Sucks i have to forfeit my vote to get the anime account or chess lynched but \_O_/

I don't want to cusse you emotional conflict! I'm sorry! I'm sorry! Please break my arms!

Boy this account went from desudesukawaii-masochism to wtfasaur at breakneck speeds

Vote: Group B

Both Majiffy and I are inside of it - this sounds like money to me.

But I

like

voting

I'm not sure why you think that's a good idea. That would mean that one of you or Majiffy would likely be the NK, since scum would be forced to kill in that group.

Oh shit now I see what he's doing. Thanks Zak.

VOTE: Group B

Hey bulb how come you are sure that both Thor and Jiffy are town?

I'm not, but it's extremely likely that at least one is. If either or both are town, it'd be nice to have them around for as long as possible, so I'm not really wild about the idea of giving scum the guaranteed ability to kill some of the best players in the game right off the bat.

I legit haven't played a single game of mafia in like 2 years I don't know why you think I'm worth a damn beyond shouting loudly and demeaning people merely on the basis that they disagree with me.

Not that I was any better before my very long hiatus.

actually I am in agreement that I would like to see thor and jiffy stick around a while, if they are town.

I wouldn't. This shit is eating into my Rocket League time.

Ain't gon be no scum in my house VOTE: Group B

lul the interactive based reads on page 5. This will be entertaining.

IME early interactive reads trend more accurate and towns actually get worse as they start second-guessing themselves.

Oh how I've missed this phrase. The cornerstone of every wagon I try to start.

ugh ok fuck the syntax for a bit reading up and just waking up

pedit: omfg

You have shattered my worldview by posting OOC

Gimmick accounts need to be banned rofl

>Half the playerlist

Unnecessary text-based stuttering

You gotta self-narrate as a high-pitched stereotypical anime voice it makes it much funnier.

@Mod I am uncertain which mafia members know the identities of which other mafia members. Could you please clarify post-haste?

@mod In addition it appears from the role pm's that were provided that Secret Agents do not have a private topic to speak in, is this correct? And in addition, if the answer to the first question results in the goons not knowing the secret agents identities, what would occur if a Goon were to night kill a Secret Agent?

They would die like a normal traitor does

Have you people never played with traitors before?

This game really shouldn’t be off to such a boring start

DW Thor and I will get into a hefty multi-paragraph multi-quoted argument around page 25 or so

And that'll probably carry us through Day 2 or 3 before one or both of us is dead.

That’s also my entrance for every game so good luck pushing that it’s AI

Okay this can get lynched today

traitor is


a traitor

not hard to understand

I think the Uzz is town

fite me

@Mod I am uncertain which mafia members know the identities of which other mafia members. Could you please clarify post-haste?

Goons only know who each other are. Traitors do not know who the Traitors are and do not know who the Goons are.

what happens if goon kills traitor

The Goons can kill the Traitor just as the Goons can kill Town as long as the goon doing the kill isn't RBed or the Traitor that is targeted isn't RoleStopped.

Oh look it's like every other mafia game with traitors ever

Someone intelligent bounce this off me.

if we are running some fool up and they claim PR is it optimal to have a CC period and leave both alive yes/no

Always CC if you're town unless the run-up is result of an investigative report. In which case, soft your reports before day ends and hunt for partners.

And because it's buried in the spoiler
VOTE: Group B

[Majiffy]

Always CC if you're town unless the run-up is result of an investigative report. In which case, soft your reports before day ends and hunt for partners.

I mean obviously CC but it's worth not lynching in the CCs as it's a 50/50 that isnt going anywhere yes?

Oh yeah definitely keep the CC's alive & unprotected. Scum will have to fake reports or claim roleblocked while also using up roleblockers on the CC and won't be able to kill them.

also come at me bro this is my town you're history pal

*Puffs up chest* U WONNA GO M8 U WONNA GO LETS GO

[Majiffy]

Idk I'm not really big on confrontation IRL

[Majiffy]

I can belittle you on an internet forum though!

[Majiffy]

And even if he's scum who claims town PR, do you really think he'll get CC?

....yes, by the real town PR

That's why I am making a policy of no claims. Anyone who claims gets lynched.

Except Chess and I already broke down why this is totally okay several pages ago.

I wonder if I'm so sick

Is it really heavy mucus buildup and a lot of coughing? I had that for about 2.5 weeks. Load up on cold/flu meds. I left it untreated for a week and I paid heavily for it.

anyway my vote will remain parked until/unless un-cced claim and I will happily lurk/1v1 the slot/etc because oh my god someone free me from this game.

Welcome to mafia

I don't replace out when i have caught scum I SCREAM
AND I SCREAM

AND I SCREAM


AND I FUCKING SCREAM

Are you sure you're not Kuribo?

I think you're missing that having all town PRs claim only breaks the setup for one side, and it's not the town one.

That's not remotely what we're talking about.

And regardless of LUV's role, whether town PR, stupid VT, or scum (goon or traitor, doesn't matter), there's no way that a town PR in that group CCs him during DAY PHASE FREAKING ONE! That would essentially be signing their own death warrant, which would not be worth it at this point. They'd be more likely to just try to steer the lynch LUV's way anyway, because there's more than enough players who'd be willing to lynch him. The very thought is scum-sided, and not town-sided.

Always CC if you're town unless the run-up is result of an investigative report. In which case, soft your reports before day ends and hunt for partners.

Thor-Jiffy, who in your group do you think is scum?

I'm scumreading LUV, which is evident from my very short ISO.

Why not?

If mafia don't know traitors and vice versa, it's plausible.

Actually less likely to be goon/traitor and more likely goon/goon as this kind of over-the-top back-and-forth would be a pre-orchestrated argument in the known chaotic early game / RVS to distance.

But I'm also willing to bet Chess thinks too highly of his game to fake distancing early-game and would rather just find things about his partners to viably bring up and push weakly on.

[Majiffy]

Idt it's theatre

Yes that's exactly what I said the very last line of my post

I didn’t know you were scum reading me. That’s new.

I had a giant flashing alarm light gif and said "okay this can get lynched today", how much clearer can I be?

Does no one read what I'm typing?

[Majiffy]

Those things are largely synonymous in the first few days of a mafia game.

[Majiffy]

You entertained both options which reads more on the fence to me but ok

No I explained why traitor/goon was less likely than goon/goon.

And then said why goon/goon was also unlikely in this particular scenario.

lrn2rdingcomp tybai

[Majiffy]

Toodles see you all tomorrow sheep Majiffy ty

[Majiffy]

This catchup is terrible

Go on

[Majiffy]

CCs should always be immediate. If scum claims the PR first you're giving scum a lot of room to play with and lead town to disasterville by d3

[Majiffy]

This catchup is terrible

Go on

[Majiffy]

ok remember in this setup ...
It is an open setup.

[Majiffy]

Go on

[/quote]You do nothing that is anything remotely town in it. You just say a lot of stuff that's already been said, you're not adding anything new. [/quote]
So it's a bad catch-up post because I... Caught up? And expressed my opinions on the relevant topics?

Okay.

idk if anyone can really call themselves obvtown and have it be credible

If you think I am scum then case me.
Go

Is this an open invitation? Because I just might.

I have 6 trs/townleans in group b this isn't good

Everyone but Majiffy btw

Well we've established you can't do math, and you also don't grasp the core concepts of the setup.

[reads list]

Seeing an awful lot of scum reads and an awful little reasoning in your post history.

INTERMISSION

can people who think they've been obvtown raise their hand ty

Hello, is it me you're looking for?

I'm about here

Majiffy - null
Rautherdir - town
SnarkySnowman - scum
Thor665 - null lean town
momo - null lean scum
Lil Uzi Vert - FUCK YOU (town by elli)
ConManMick - null lean town

You wanna snuggle? Let's get to know each other.

[Majiffy]

Group A posters are all woefully underperforming. Dan and Elli are kinda here. Bulba was for... A day. And the rest, have they even posted?

[Majiffy]

Speak o teh devil hello Fenix

[Majiffy]

Fenix - I missed your question for me in your first post. I'm reading LUV as scum and I've got 3 nulls. Thor I'm assuming is town until I actually have to sort him. Rauth is probably town.

[Majiffy]

I'm down for B flips. I'm voting for a B lynch already.

[Majiffy]

Group A (0): [L-11]

Group B (6): checkersman7, Ginngie,

Thor665, InactionDan, Desperado

, Mikan Tsumiki [L-5]

Group C (3): Transcend, ConManMick, Assemblerotws [L-8]

Scum potentially concentrated here.

Is this read external to this awful attempt at VCA or are you just doing really bad VCA?

[Majiffy]

Group A (0): [L-11]

Group B (6): checkersman7, Ginngie,

Thor665, InactionDan, Desperado

, Mikan Tsumiki [L-5]

Group C (3): Transcend, ConManMick, Assemblerotws [L-8]

Scum potentially concentrated here.

Is this read external to this awful attempt at VCA or are you just doing really bad VCA?

I could see any of them as scum, it being a VCA is just secondary.

Feel free to elaborate at any time

[Majiffy]

Group A	Group B	Group C
EddieFenix Assemblerotws Bulbazak WhyMafia Elliberetta InactionDan Creature	Majiffy Rautherdir SnarkySnowman Thor665 momo Lil Uzi Vert ConManMick	vonflare Desperado RachMarie checkersman7 Transcend Ginngie Mikan Tsumiki

What happened with Thor and Dan here?

[Majiffy]

I elaborated on one of them if you want to take a look already.

Pretend I'm incompetent and quote it for me

[Majiffy]

Feeling like you're going for an easy push here, Majiffy.

Feeling like that's such a milquetoast non-stance that could be interpreted a number of ways, LUV.

[Majiffy]

Feeling like you're going for an easy push here, Majiffy.

Feeling like that's such a milquetoast non-stance that could be interpreted a number of ways, LUV.

I’ll eblobrare.

It doesn’t feel like a genuine concern. It feels like you’re attempting to make something out of nothing.

You could’ve easily inferred that Dan and Thor dropped to null for him due to being low in activity, lacking in content recently, and other players taking more precedence.

And it feels like you're injecting yourself in between me and trying to read another slot.

Care to comment on why that is?

I elaborated on one of them if you want to take a look already.

Pretend I'm incompetent and quote it for me

Desperado - he's lurking for days. This is our D1 lynch.

So your scumread is that a player hasn't been active enough when you yourself have not made much of a presence prior to making those reads.

Now how about Dan and Thor? Why were they red, and what changed?

Oh I would love it.

Your opinions on relevant topics were consensus and added nothing new imo.
You might as well said "Ok I read I found nothing useful."

What a useful perspective on playing the game you have!

I guess I townread him because he only posted once so far lol

Meanwhile, scumreading Desp for "lurking"

I'd be willing to lynch any of them besides Majiffy, and it's not that I town read him, I just want him to live till the game is small enough we can sort of interact, get paranoid at each other, and set up a 1v1

Oh god you're scum and want me to townread you in endgame aren't you

Scum jiffy is more low key.

Lolwut

[Majiffy]

Feelings mutual bub

[Majiffy]

Meanwhile, scumreading Desp for "lurking"

Because some players are active town and lurker scum while some other players are active scum and lurker town.

2 RL days is hardly justification for a lurker argument, is the point.

[Majiffy]

Yeah if we can get Mick Thor and Zak voting B I'd be a happy man

[Majiffy]

The reality is that I just don’t see who we are lynching in Group B

Taaaake a loooookiiiiiin in the miiiirrooooor!

[Majiffy]

where is the rest of the Cambridge Crew?

I am true to my namesake

Say my name

Eminem

[Majiffy]

Pls don't lynch CMM today I wanted to play with him

[Majiffy]

Anyway I'll srspost when I get home tonight.

[Majiffy]

Just finished Snarky, LUV & Momo ISOs.

Momo is boring to read but maybe town? I started skimming his posts halfway through.
Snarky reads town.
LUV does absolutely nothing until almost 900 posts into the game. Stated reasonless scumreads around the 400 mark and never followed up on them. Finally does *something* around 850 when he *injects himself between myself and someone else I was pressuring* which is so massively anti-town I can't even.

And then continues to do nothing and offer nothing.

Go look for yourselves. LUV can eat rope.

[Majiffy]

Part of me wants to do a case for the anime alt and part of me is lazy and doesn't want to effort on someone that can't even be lynched today. So maybe I'll get around to it, maybe not. Definitely not tonight though.

I'm worried that if I'm right about Momo I'm going to have to look at Thor, Rauth and CMM. Rauth has been a townread, Thor has done fooled me before, and I just like Mick too much as a person to ever scumread him ever.

[Majiffy]

Also aside from Mikan, Zak & Creature I have no reads outside of my group which I think is partially due to lack of content (from Group A'ers) and lack of giving a shit. I should probably work on that.

[Majiffy]

i want luv to claim

I don't want any early claims.

One of seven people is getting lynched today and I think we've only got 4 or 5 more days to figure that out.

I don't think any Group B claims at this point are "early".

[Majiffy]

My bad 8 days

DPII ends in (expired on 2017-11-26 19:13:00)

[Majiffy]

And it won’t be me.

Oh I'm not so sure about that LIL UZI VERT

[Majiffy]

Who we're totally not lynching today out of Group B?

Rauth Thor Snarky Majiffy Momo

I'm willing to settle on Mick because he isn't really playing. LUV is ideal.

[Majiffy]

Considering your 'whoops, ruling out people as scum together in the same group, silly me!' moment - this thought process makes you my assured desire for death tomorrow.

Glad we got D2 settled

[Majiffy]

Besides you think I'm scum yet you are basically begging me to tr you so rofl.

This is the first thing I read that makes Alisae seem scummy hm
I still think Alisae is town, but can you say what else makes Aliase scummy? I don't think the setup slip was scummy.

We can talk Mikan tomorrow when they can be lynched. Focus on Group B today kthx

[Majiffy]

Who we're totally not lynching today out of Group B?

Rauth Thor Snarky Majiffy Momo

I'm willing to settle on Mick because he isn't really playing. LUV is ideal.

B a a a a a a d

Post

B a a a a a a d

player

[Majiffy]

I'm willing to settle on Mick because he isn't really playing.

If it's about this:
Is it bad because it's akin to a policy lynch?

A policy Lynch that I'm settling for and have previously said is bad so yes you're 100% right gj

[Majiffy]

Cute

[Majiffy]

I'd really love to see those people unwilling to vote LUV to go into his ISO and make a towncase.

I might even give you a cookie for it.

Spoiler:

That's a lie, I have no cookies either.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: MAJIFFY

Checkers I'm gonna need you to take that vote and stuff it

Stuff it real fuckin deep up in there. Deeper than you ever have stuffed anything in your life

And then, when it's nestled up real good like

Blow it out your ass

[Majiffy]

>when transcend votes majiffy

- lol u suck
- lol u nub

Well they're not wrong

[Majiffy]

How about no? Hey, here's a better one. Explain to me how any of this is indicative of LUV-scum. What's his motivation here? Because you're essentially kneejerking at something and then not explaining how or why scum LUV makes that play or those posts.

Already did, bubboh

LUV does absolutely nothing until almost 900 posts into the game. Stated reasonless scumreads around the 400 mark and never followed up on them. Finally does *something* around 850 when he *injects himself between myself and someone else I was pressuring* which is so massively anti-town I can't even.

And then continues to do nothing and offer nothing.

Go look for yourselves. LUV can eat rope.

Ball's in your court.

[Majiffy]

Unless you want me to explain why coasting and not following through on reads is indictative of scum, in which case I refer you to Thor because I'm sure he's got a much nicer way of explaining things you should have learned as a newbie.

[Majiffy]

Deadline is looking. Stop bantering and start discussing Group B lynches.

I've already provided a case on LUV that has been patently ignored several times. No one has tried to refute or even offer a town case for LUV.

Instead we're talking about a slot that was replaced and isn't up for lynch.

Food for thought.

[Majiffy]

Looming not looking*

[Majiffy]

I found 11 more bad posts vonflare check em out

Why arent you pushing my lynch Mr. Charismakid?

[Majiffy]

>Joined: February 13, 2016

[Majiffy]

>Location: Buffalo, NY

You watch yer ass bub

[Majiffy]

whenever majiffy snaps he sends it to the mafiascum group chat and also to me specifically so I receive all his snaps twice

I'm sure a few people in scumchat get double snaps.

[Majiffy]

Did you guys just make 4 pages of spam?

[Majiffy]

You are welcome majiffy

I'd rather not be

[Majiffy]

But it's not fair

[Majiffy]

[Manifests Destiny Internally]

[Majiffy]

Can we get the OP updated with Mikan's replacement in the group list?

I'll catch up when I get home from work.

[Majiffy]

Ain't doing shit tonight. Helped a friend move, just got home.

Tomorrow is another day.

[Majiffy]

for example no-one is saying Eddie is town and we don't lose the game if he is

I am. Or was, unless something has changed since day started.

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: Catchup: Episode I, "The Scummer Menace"

This isn't how town!Majiffy plays.

This is how I expect scum!Thor to play.

Your only experience with town!Majiffy was me tunneling you.
Unless maybe I was scum that game. I don't remember.

I'm specifically trying to refrain from tunneling you because now I know your obnoxiously bad playstyle is just who you are as a person. But you're not making it easy on me.

And I assure you that scum!Thor and town!Thor are nearly indistinguishable.

The wagon on Majiffy kept failing and failing.

Probably because half the playerlist was invited personally by me.

The question you should be asking yourself is why the much more viable -

and still with as of yet unrefuted arguments against him

- wagon on LUV "kept failing and failing" until it eventually collapsed into a speed wagon on CMM.

Who's scummier out of EddieFenix and Bulbazak?

Neither. Try again.

Alisae was town who’s just frustrated with site meta in general.

The latter part of your statement seems to be a qualifier for the former part.

Why can't Alisae be scum who is frustrated with site meta?

How is having expectations of your play alignment indicative? Do you believe he’s intentionally lying?

I know he's lying, I'm trying to figure out if it's intentional.

I have hunted for a Creature lynch over 3 days when he was intentionally caught lying, called out on it, and then

continued to lie

about what he was called out on.

He flipped town.

I don’t think you know for sure.

He could’ve talked to people who’ve played with you the most on here. He could have studied your previous games.

He could be misinformed. He could also not just have a good understanding of your play style. None of that makes him scummy

Yes - and if he's lying it does make him scummy.
So why shouldn't I investigate to figure out which is which exactly?

To note, this is the second time LUV has interjected when Creature starts getting questioned this game.

I think he said it because he genuinely believes he has an understanding of how you play as town and feel this isn’t it. There’s nothing wrong about that. Now solely pushing you because of that is and I don’t think that’s mainly why he thinks you’re scum. If it is, I would need him to show some work.

*cough*wk*cough*

I don’t like Majiffy’s or Thor’s interactions with Creature. Just don’t trust town here.

Fucking lol

Also dan is close to 100% town by meta.

I thought his EOD1 was a planned scum theater with Majiffy.

I don't want to break your heart but planned scum theatre happens very, very rarely.

As in, I've seen it less than 10 times in the 10+ years I've been playing mafia on multiple websites.

If this is Dan’s town game, that’s just sad.

There's honestly nothing sadder in this thread than you.

Dope burn

Maybe if we end doing Group A I'd lynch one of {Bulbazak, EddieFenix} first.

Your reads are just so objectively bad I feel like I need to take you out for an ice cream cone with sprinkles.

A real beetlejuice is the one that appears only when mentioned, does almost nothing and then leaves the same way as appears.

Another terrible assumption about scum behavior that simply doesn't pan out in reality.

I honestly don't understand the raging boner people have for majiffy.

I have that effect on both sexes, tbqh

It's probably the dad bod and luscious beard.

guys
meta
really
sucks
a lot

Yes. And it's also one of the few playstyles that I have seen reliably hit at a greater-than-random rate. So, there's that.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HRIcqYuyGX4/T ... tharim.jpg

I have this festering notion that you're scum.

Also, I'll be cross-referencing today's B wagon with yesterday's Mick wagon. Just fyi.

I was thinking about this in the shower and frankly I don't think VCA is going to be too effective until very late-game with a third of the playerlist missing in each lynch. Gonna need at least 5 or 6 good wagons to parse anything about anyone.

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: Catchup, Episode II: "Attack of the Dumbs"

BIOCHEMISTRY is a good example.
Subject: BIOCHEMISTRY - game over, finally, it's only been 5 months

Wait isn't this the game that you said it was much easier for you to lynch me in? The one where you were calling for my head on Day 1?

The one where I didn't get lynched until Day 6?

And I was town?

Lol

Creature feels wrong on a fundamental level

I

assure

you that isn't scum-indicative of him.

Whoever is scum in A is having just dandy of a time not giving a shit

I've got townreads on Eddie and Zak, Creature is probably VI, which leaves Elli/Assemble/Dan

None of whom have participated enough to bother right now.

I'd softly put money on Majiffy and the Snowman guy.

You disappoint me Thor

Snowy's the towniest still alive in B

So you're saying my scum meta is that I'm super obvious scum and that's what I'm doing in this game?

You'd probably be hanging back and only making sure the wagon isn't on you.

lol

Oh sorry you just have no idea how Thor plays scum

Also, the sudden strong push onto Majiffy after Momo started getting hardpushed wigged me out.

I have a hunch can you drudge up some quotes and tell me who started that up?

Then compare that to the CMM push when it became obvious it was between CMM and LUV.

Venn diagram that shit and you got scumbo(s)

Focusing on LUV you mean? I meant to respond to his response to me from d1, but decided against it.

Not even just that

Just the total lack of not doing anything.

@Checkers: B is a great big tub of blah for me right now. I just want investigatives to sort it out a bit before diving back in.

The same investigatives who couldn't figure out to watch Rauth?

#gloatingscum

oh wait majiffy doesn't matter only assemble does

OUCH

I know what white knighting is I internet.

when the fuck did people start calling it WKing

Commonplace on EM as far back as 2008 so ???

Well allow me to "wk" creature, but i think his read on ass is justified.

I'm gonna no context quote the shit out of this when the game is done

I'm surprised there are players that still think WK is a legit scumtell.

Can we get the OP updated with Mikan's replacement in the group list?

I'll catch up when I get home from work.

Hey I caught up to me! Looks like a good time to break this wall up.

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: Catchup, Episode III: "Revenge of the Goon"

Mafia can't work if every game is like "what if X is a mislynch?"

I'd hate to burst your bubble of naivete but mafia doesn't actually work.

Even the best players barely average above random.

Mostly the game is "try not to suck

too

hard".

Your tunnel feels fake bud.

Same crap as ‘alisae replaced out because he was scum and I was tunneling them’

You are pretending to be tunneling your ‘gut reads’ because that is what you do in your town games but here feels forced. Like I said. You are not adapting.

I like you

we're never going to get anywhere if the gap between the people who are posting at normal forum mafia rates and the people who are treating this like a chat room doesn't start to go away soon...including mikan, 8 players account for over 75% of the game right now. there's no flow to the discussion, it's just the same people measuring their dicks over and over and over again

Yeah there's a high noise ratio.

You’re engaging him like you think he’s scum :/

You literally think every person that engages Creature is engaging them like he's scum

Every
Single
Person.

cases are scummy and meta is trash

Suddenly your playstyle makes so much sense

Fuck

Alisae was right

Desperado is scum.

Town doesn't make this post

Too showboaty. Self-conscious. Trash. Lynch it.

What just happened:
Elli questioning someone's read
People "Dont do that"
elli goes why
people "lol becuz"

Ya ever get that feeling of productivity and you're about to engage in meaningful conversation.

That page killed it and I now would rather study.

Hi I still don't have a read on you would you like to engage with someone sane?

Yes, more or less. And where is the scum thought process in any of my actions because Im pretty sure im town

you pretty sure you are town?

I'm going to enjoy lynching you.

Well I never got an answer to my question

Get used to it. The shitposters have taken over and the scum have flocked in behind it. No one is playing mafia anymore, we're all just lynching town in mindless herds.

Anyone scumreads LUV here?

Hi. Majiffy here. You might know me as one of the few people that have actually made a scum case on anyone this entire game.

You can add blatant and unnecessary White knighting of yourself to the list of charges. Right under "teehee you won't lynch me" signaling to his mafia buds

Oh thank god I'm not the only one

Also that PR soft looks even worse now with a dead PR.

Thor is scum

Can you accurately read Thor?

If yes, walk me through it.

for example no-one is saying Eddie is town and we don't lose the game if he is

I am. Or was, unless something has changed since day started.

Annnd Eddie is still town

That'll end Episode III!

[Majiffy]

Is Thor a scumread or is he permanently null?

Permanently null until I'm forced to deal with him. Preferably at endgame, with a 50/50.

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: Catchup, Episode IV: "A New Town"

Ain't doing shit tonight. Helped a friend move, just got home.

Tomorrow is another day.

Not like you've done shit any other day

m8

for example no-one is saying Eddie is town and we don't lose the game if he is

I am. Or was, unless something has changed since day started.

Same shit, different day phase, Majiffy.

tru.dat

Looking for a replacement for Assemblerotws

https://www.insidehighered.com/sites/de ... _Small.jpg

Okay that was funny

Got

something new

anything at all to add luv?

fyp

showing (as in theatrical performance

Toto lock town. I'm done here.

Meta homework: find a scum rage quitting beause they are being tunneled and quit the game calling everyone bad

Done it. DGB replaced into a game I was dominating and basically turned everyone on me in just a few pages.

I think Kuribo was in that game too.

Boy was I steamy.

literally one of my assignments I did this morning was to type 3-5 sentences about life after the singularity and I wrote this much:

Spoiler:

I'm a huge fan of evolution and one of my theories about life is that we are just information and our goal is to become more advanced to be able to rely more information as we go. If you look at it, DNA is literally just information that knows how to replicate itself. I get the thought that the reason living organisms want to reproduce is that the organism knows it will die and in order to pass on that information, it needs to create offspring to carry on the knowledge torch. Being human is the informational evolution's current peak(earth bound, nothing E.T.). We are the most intelligent species coming from evolution and you can see the memory trail. Small organisms like plankton just replicate, same thing with plants. Then when we move on to fish, we see goldfish having a 7 second memory, then mammals get more advanced and now we have the brain to remember our entire lifetime and even understand the universe we live in. The next step in the informational evolution, as I see it, is innovating computers until we get to the singularity, after that information will no longer need a living organism in order to maintain the information bubble. You could actually think of it as the universe wanted to preserve it's information, and in order to do so, it created living organisms because it didn't have the tools to retain information. In a sense, we went from inorganic, to organic, back to inorganic, and humans can be compared to the universe's first computer. Getting back to what I was saying, with computers hitting the singularity, they will be able to reproduce themselves and then study knew information with quantum mechanics that we can't understand. The informational bubble will sky rocket exponentially and humans will no longer be needed. For humans, this just means we'll be in the same place as say dogs are to humans. We'll be there in the shadow of computers doing our own thing and enjoying life until we die, not really having any true purpose and just chilling. A lot of societal problems will fade away as computers will solve them easily and there won't be any real struggles for humans. There isn't any real way to prepare for it besides accepting the inevitability of it.

You make it sound so good and not at all like Terminator please be inside my brain

Also what is your major?

Not only was Ali town but ramicus is as well

Hey ginnie why is rach town?

Rach is town. She's more apprehensive about townreading me as scum.

https://www.studentproblems.com/gin-drinkers-sexier/

What's good

Thor and Jiffy are town to me.

Momo and LUV are scum in group B imo.

Ugh.

It's okay that's how I feel every time I see you post anything game-related.

Vonn can die
Desp can die
Gingie can die

RachMarie null

Checkers, Transcend can be town for today.

Alisae's slot is town

Okay now reverse pretty much everything here and you'll be doing okay.

Who did toto replace again? slot is giving me bad feels

Nah slot is great reads just suck

They're actually trying to parse alignments, which is far and away more than 75% of the playerlist is doing.

Thor tone is relatively the same town and scum after reading some of his game. What changes is the agenda. In town games he is actually trying to solve the game and his arguments are more natural. In his scum games he is basicaly avoids any game solving and spends most of his time arguing tangents and slowing the game down or placing his votes tactically.

The reason he is hard to read is his gimmick way of talking has a few layers of indirection. He does this to make himself harder to read. But his agenda is usually pretty obvious once you read past that.

Then I'd argue he hasn't done much in regards to the latter and shouldn't be a scumread.

Like here he has spent half the game arguing whether people can meta read him or not, instead of solving the game.

Kind of a potent argument considering our group got lynched in first, and people were debating at the time to lynch in our group again.

[Majiffy]

Repost nested spoilers fucked that whole thing up

Spoiler: Catchup, Episode IV: "A New Town"

Ain't doing shit tonight. Helped a friend move, just got home.

Tomorrow is another day.

Not like you've done shit any other day

m8

for example no-one is saying Eddie is town and we don't lose the game if he is

I am. Or was, unless something has changed since day started.

Same shit, different day phase, Majiffy.

tru.dat

Looking for a replacement for Assemblerotws

https://www.insidehighered.com/sites/de ... _Small.jpg

Okay that was funny

Got

something new

anything at all to add luv?

fyp

showing (as in theatrical performance

Toto lock town. I'm done here.

Meta homework: find a scum rage quitting beause they are being tunneled and quit the game calling everyone bad

Done it. DGB replaced into a game I was dominating and basically turned everyone on me in just a few pages.

I think Kuribo was in that game too.

Boy was I steamy.

literally one of my assignments I did this morning was to type 3-5 sentences about life after the singularity and I wrote this much:

You make it sound so good and not at all like Terminator please be inside my brain

Also what is your major?

Not only was Ali town but ramicus is as well

Hey ginnie why is rach town?

Rach is town. She's more apprehensive about townreading me as scum.

https://www.studentproblems.com/gin-drinkers-sexier/

What's good

Thor and Jiffy are town to me.

Momo and LUV are scum in group B imo.

Ugh.

It's okay that's how I feel every time I see you post anything game-related.

Vonn can die
Desp can die
Gingie can die

RachMarie null

Checkers, Transcend can be town for today.

Alisae's slot is town

Okay now reverse pretty much everything here and you'll be doing okay.

Who did toto replace again? slot is giving me bad feels

Nah slot is great reads just suck

They're actually trying to parse alignments, which is far and away more than 75% of the playerlist is doing.

Thor tone is relatively the same town and scum after reading some of his game. What changes is the agenda. In town games he is actually trying to solve the game and his arguments are more natural. In his scum games he is basicaly avoids any game solving and spends most of his time arguing tangents and slowing the game down or placing his votes tactically.

The reason he is hard to read is his gimmick way of talking has a few layers of indirection. He does this to make himself harder to read. But his agenda is usually pretty obvious once you read past that.

Then I'd argue he hasn't done much in regards to the latter and shouldn't be a scumread.

Like here he has spent half the game arguing whether people can meta read him or not, instead of solving the game.

Kind of a potent argument considering our group got lynched in first, and people were debating at the time to lynch in our group again.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Group C

Need to parse between Chess, Transcend and Rami for the 2 scum here but whatevz

[Majiffy]

how can VON be town?

Because there can only be 2 scum in a group and I've already got 3 fantastic contenders for those 2 slots.

[Majiffy]

I think it's L-1 for C

[Majiffy]

Wow, really?

[Majiffy]

Wow, really?

yep that's right

I mean really who are you gonna NK in my group Majiffy lmfao

Auf Wiedersehen!

Ginngie.

Why are you hittin' da club for a whole week?

[Majiffy]

~welcome to mafia~

[Majiffy]

It's cuz he's scum

[Majiffy]

Do you townread Desp?

Weakly. I could make a towncase when I get home if you want.

Gut says Desp town, probably go for Von tbh

Majiffy, i almost have more posts than you and i replaced in, so if that's your only "scumtell" on me, i pitty you, really

Quality over quantity, mate.

And that's not the only reason I'm scumreading you. Or the previous occupant of your slot. Not by a long shot.

[Majiffy]

What is it with all you terrible players insisting you can't be lynched?

[Majiffy]

Yeah I'm cool with you dying today.

[Majiffy]

i still waiting your "quality" post about why i'm scum btw

Keep waiting. Some of us have jobs.

[Majiffy]

majiffy I'll give you money irl if u get either me or ram lynched today

Oh it's so tempting

[Majiffy]

Meh

VOTE: antonio banderas

[Majiffy]

It's just what I think of every time anyone says Antonio Banderas.

And also one of the characters from Time Crisis 4

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: Desp town case

ask chess and elli what they "expect" from me

and even if your bullshit burden of proficiency were defensible (and the short answer to a very long story is it's not, except for when it is), 5 players account for nearly 66% of the posts thus far...there is nothing to solve yet. there hasn't been a real vote cast.

i'm here, i'm reading, i want to lynch in group B, and i want LUV to claim. if you're looking for anything more from me right now, it's gonna be a long journey on the way to nothing.

Tone here reads town that is confident in their opinion / not trying to avoid being lynched for their unpopular opinion.

A tone that he continues with these.

LUV the person who does nothing D1 as town is not scum here.
He quite frankly does not do nothing on D1 as scum and would be somewhat townread.

Your LUV wagon is trash, and so are you.

yo whatever baselines you're using are what's actually trash here

yup

you got me

i only play scum and town one way and you are the true arbiter

And more here

Like
would you like to educate the class on why LUV is scum?
Or are you going to keep at it with the obvscumming.

i want luv to claim

the only way that's going to happen now is by voting him

so...i'm voting him

if i felt like i needed to explain why he's scum, i would do that

and if your defense is going to rest on "LUV doesn't do things d1 as town" then i think we're pretty much done here

etc. etc. do I really need to go on?

Desp reads pretty strongly town, I think it's mostly his general inactivity and peoples' laziness in reading his ISO that is allowing him to be a viable lynch consideration.

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: Mikan/Ramci Scumcase

Here's our first interaction. Which... they ignored.

This catchup is terrible

Go on

So I repeated myself.

This catchup is terrible

Go on

And they reply with a smokescreen non-answer.

This catchup is terrible

Go on

You do nothing that is anything remotely town in it. You just say a lot of stuff that's already been said, you're not adding anything new. it just reads scum to me alright? I'm sorry, run over me with your rocket league cars!

Then there's me calling out their reads - and lack of any explanations for any of them in their ISO

[reads list]

Seeing an awful lot of scum reads and an awful little reasoning in your post history.

Which... they ignored. Sensing a pattern? I am.

Oh yeah other fun fact about that post; they openly suggest to another player that they

contribute less

. While

simultaneously complaining that their contributions weren't enough

. You can't scream cogdis any louder.

Then Mikan goes from scumreading me to "trusting Rach Majiffy can be town" to "tring Majiffy" to "Majiffy is just really, really bad town" which is a read that progressed congruently with interest in my lynch.

And let me tell you all the times I've seen "this person scumreading me is just really bad town" from scumbos. Hint: it's a lot.

-~replacement~-

we can lynch Desperado, so he don't have to read this thread

?

i've read the thread

did you just misunderstand what i said or...?

how about making some efforts to find scums?

This is cute because Ramci has done nothing but argue theory and place empty votes since his replace-in.

In fact, I think as of this post, they haven't pushed a single read for town or scum.

i kindly ask you do not judge my slot by Ali action as i can't defend against what he did/said or whatever else you find AI, thx for understanding

And this is garbage but it's probably NAI garbage.

Previous slot owners are 100% game because

alignments don't change with replacements.

Then there's this series of events

Hey Ramcius, I haven't seen you doing much lately.

It's cuz he's scum

Gut says Desp town, probably go for Von tbh

Majiffy, i almost have more posts than you and i replaced in, so if that's your only "scumtell" on me, i pitty you, really

Which is great on just so many levels. His response to "You aren't doing much" - clearly an aim at content, not posts - is to strike at the second person calling him out by comparing how much they can hit the submit button?

So then I call him out for it. And he asks me for a case

Do you townread Desp?

Weakly. I could make a towncase when I get home if you want.

Gut says Desp town, probably go for Von tbh

Majiffy, i almost have more posts than you and i replaced in, so if that's your only "scumtell" on me, i pitty you, really

Quality over quantity, mate.

And that's not the only reason I'm scumreading you. Or the previous occupant of your slot. Not by a long shot.

If you have something against me, you should say it, cause i'm not getting lynched. Show your "quality"

What is it with all you terrible players insisting you can't be lynched?

reading isn't your thing, eh? I said i'm not getting lynched, i didn't said i can't be lynched, i will explain difference to you - it's possible to lynch me, but there quite few people who think i'm scum and quite a lot, who think someone else is scum in my group, so by simple logic we can deduce that it's more likely someone else will be lynched. Hope that's clear enough for you

And this word salad

Which brings us to

i still waiting your "quality" post about why i'm scum btw

Less than an hour

after asking me for a case he's showboating.

Self-conscious as fuck scumbo.

There you go Ramci.

[Majiffy]

Desperado is scum

Like look at his tunnel on luv. He is voting him but not really pushing him.

For someone who is so confident about his reads he has done very little explaining.

LUV is also obvscum and a number of us had already explained why in a number of different ways.

There's no reason for him to repeat what's already being patently ignored.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Ramcius

Won't be home tonight and probably most of tomorrow. I'll catch up when I can

Thor I missed something you asked me earlier if you could find it for me that'd be great ty

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Ramcius

Won't be home tonight and probably most of tomorrow. I'll catch up when I can

Thor I missed something you asked me earlier if you could find it for me that'd be great ty

I challenged your Elli read and asked about your Snowman read - we're opposite on both.

Erf. Yeah I'll have to be on my comp for that. I'll try to get to it tomorrow if I can but probably Sunday

[Majiffy]

Flare/Trans

I'm good with Trans if we've got the numbers but can I interest you in a Ramcius Lynch?

[Majiffy]

you're playing mafia I'm playing dImensional checkers

... One dimensional?

Cuz I agree.

[Majiffy]

you're playing mafia I'm playing dImensional checkers

dammit this was supposed to be 7 dimensional checkers

Damnit

[Majiffy]

Also at Majiffy

see above for my polite declination

But you didn't have to cut me off
Make out like Mikan never happened and that Ramcis towning
And I don't even need your vote
But you treat me like a VI and that feels so rough

[Majiffy]

Not really feeling it. If you wanna case Ginngie I'll read it but I doubt you'll sway me.

I've got 3 solid picks for C and Ginngie ain't one.

[Majiffy]

She reads like frustrated scum getting pushed for the wrong reasons. Her debating about how replaceouts are nai doesn't seem like game solving.

Is that... Is that it?

I said case me, not gut me.

[Majiffy]

Goddamnit that's a lot of pages.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy: You said that wagon analysis was crap in reference to my mention of comparing the Mick wagon with the second B wagon, yet you later wanted me to compare your wagon with the Mick wagon to find scum. Why is one wagon analysis garbage while the other isn't?

It isn't. I just wanted you looking at Checkers.

is that all you got?

first, yes alignment don't change, but people sometimes are bad, or how else MLs happens? And that goes both ways - for my pred being bad and looking scummy (which reasonable, Ali got MLed recently in fortnight, a game, where town had only 1 lynch, so stakes were really high) or you are bad, maybe biased like Trans, or, you know, you just rolled scum.

Well, you had time to shitpost, so i pointed to yours "quality over quantity"

Your defense is "townies can be scummy too" and a tu quoque?

Ramicus would have been my first choice, but thor + jiffy,

Do we need to have a refresher course on the Flowchart?

There is an alarming amount of resistance to desperado ...

Is there? Because it seems like most of the vocal resistance is against the Ram lynch.

We have 3 wagons (Creature just voted for Des recently).

I'm aware. I'm on one of them. Join us.

VOTE: Ramcius

Won't be home tonight and probably most of tomorrow. I'll catch up when I can

Thor I missed something you asked me earlier if you could find it for me that'd be great ty

I challenged your Elli read and asked about your Snowman read - we're opposite on both.

I'm lazy and don't want to ISO dive for cases so I'll do this tomorrow.

[Majiffy]

Toto + Creature you're voting a vanity wagon vote between Gin & Ram

[Majiffy]

no, my defense is that you either stubborn bad town or scum, you try push "alignment won't change" idea, when you only guessing alignment, which is ridiculous - your read is subjective, you can't push it as objective argument

What, exactly, constitutes "objective" in mafia arguments? I'm genuinely interested.

Jiffy can die

Nah mate

I do want to think about this a bit while I catch up. I still think Ramicus is a good lynch, but Momo joining gives me pause

Don't do this to me Zak we have a good thing going on

Toto + Creature you're voting a vanity wagon vote between Gin & Ram

It's not a vanity wagon because there are two voters and we think both Ginngie and Ramcius are mislynches.

Oh how convenient for you

[Majiffy]

ZzZzZz I'm losing motivation to play this game already. If we could just go ahead and start sheeping me that would help

a lot

in keeping me invested.

[Majiffy]

Nah I wanna lynch my scumreads first.

[Majiffy]

Smocaine replaced out? Weird

[Majiffy]

no, my defense is that you either stubborn bad town or scum, you try push "alignment won't change" idea, when you only guessing alignment, which is ridiculous - your read is subjective, you can't push it as objective argument

What, exactly, constitutes "objective" in mafia arguments? I'm genuinely interested.

well, me knowing my alignment is objective for example

i'm glad you know that most things aren't objective in mafia, so why you act like your read on my slot is absolute and unchangeable?

I never posited my read to be absolute and unchangeable. You have strawmanned it that way. But lets keep following your argument out, shall we?

Person A believes Person B is scum. Person B believes Person A is scum. Both A and B state their alignment is Town. Neither one is known to the other.

How do you posit an objective argument be made to lynch either of them, based on the position '[that] unless an argument is objective it is invalid'?

In order to get the lynch, we need both LUV and Snarky to get on, which I'm not sure will happen. That's our best bet. Toto and Creature will vote Gin over Ram, guaranteed. Otherwise, you need to convince either Elli or Dan that Ram is scum, which may be a hard sell. So it's either wrangle two cats, one of which is probably also scum, or try to convince Ellie/Dan to join on Ram and hope LUV hammers.

Honestly as long as we keep the votes up and Ram remains the lead wagon, people are either going to have to settle for Ram or nut up to forcing an NL on D3.

There's no reason for us to back off a lynch we're confident on just because we don't think we'll get the numbers while there also exists very few viable counterwagons.

You need to learn how to push through lynches, kid.

I really want to know why people are townreading these types of arguments from Ramicus.

I reckon they're mostly just ignoring them in favor of screaming about how town Ram is.

Kind of like Roy Moore voters.

Why telling someone that they can't lock replacement in read they had on pred is scummy?

I've called you scummy for your own words and actions, too.

You're just ignoring that part because it helps your argument.

Can we please not lynch Ramcius?

actually I think it's L-2

doesn't change the fact that it's a horseshit wagon

Go on.

maybe we should listen to the people within group c, none of whom are saying we should lynch ramcius eh fuckers?

Nah Ram wagon is strongk

VOTE: Desperado

Staaahp we have gud thing

[Majiffy]

Yes we've established your reads are trash

[Majiffy]

It was the royal we.

[Majiffy]

I'm not arguing definitions. Ram is. Please go back and re-read.

[Majiffy]

I presented arguments for both occupants of the slot. Ram has focused solely on trying to negate my arguments on the previous occupant in lieu of actually addressing the arguments I've made on him. He has strawmanned my argument into a semantic one about objectivity and subjectivity in mafia cases. And you, now, are clearly misrepresenting the situation.

The question, now, is why?

[Majiffy]

I'm getting him to expand his definitions because his argument is ludicrous and I'm letting him dig his own hole.

[Majiffy]

It's just as effective when you're town.

[Majiffy]

Whats your case on Ramcius scum, describe it as simply as you can.

Why don't you just read it?

And to addendum that; since that case has been presented, Ramci has spent the entire time misrepping/strawmanning my case on him as entirely "Mikan scumread ergo Ramci scum" when

the majority of the presented case

is actually about Ramci's participation.

I'm not arguing definitions. Ram is. Please go back and re-read.

I'm getting him to expand his definitions because his argument is ludicrous and I'm letting him dig his own hole.

I'm not sure if you're just dumb or intentionally not getting what I'm laying down here.

[Majiffy]

Lynching the inactive over a clearly scummy player... Didn't we do this D1?

[Majiffy]

Probably not on ram, I've changed my mind on that one a bit. I hate the wagon comp too.

Wagon comps great. Had Zak, me, Eddie and Thor to start. Don't get much better than that.

[Majiffy]

Okay lets see where the hell I left off.

[Majiffy]

@Maj

I read your case on Ram and I don't get it.
+ You say he is arguing definitions when you are the one encouraging him to expand his definitions. You mentioned I'm not getting this somehow, please explain.

+ The rest of the case is that you said he was not posting because he was scum, and when he challenged you by saying has posted more than you, you called it a quality vs quantity thing, and then he proceeded to ask your a case quality, when you posted next time he asked you again for a case on him (and then you made this case), and apparently you read that as self consciousness (nervous scum).

Is that a correct summary of the events/arguments or did I miss something important?

1) Am I supposed to not call out his flawed arguments when they're the only things he presents?

Literally

his entire rebuttal of my case on him is "ur argument isn't objective". What would you do in my situation?

2) That's not the rest of my case on him. In fact, that wasn't even

in

my case, that was just a one-off comment that I made which is when he decided to strawman my argument as that. And apparently, you bought it.

Let's flip Eddie first and then we can decide between Vaxkiller and Bulb

Why are your reads so trash?

Like so, so trash.

What part of that is hard to understand?

the part where ramcius/alisae are obvtown

Soooo

trash

Yes, we have, Thor: "I scumread Ali", Me: "Why you don't try read me? Ali isn't here anymore to defend himself and i can't talk for him" and we are stuck here

Within the last 48 hours I've made some direct and specific points about how Ram is playing - you're not dealing with those and are still acting like it's impossible to discuss the case, which just appears to be a new misdirection defense attempt on your part, quite frankly.

Welcome to my world

The current wagons have stalled, it means one of them should be goon.

Probably the one that built up, then scattered into two counterwagons.

(That'd be Ramci)

Okay lets see where the hell I left off.

Lol

[Majiffy]

Zak & Ginngie put your votes on Ramci and that gives us L-1.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy: Both of your scumreads in C (Checkers and Ram) can't be correct, so which one do you think is most likely to be the goon, and what does the possible team look like? I don't necessarily need 2 names, but I'd imagine that you'll have at least one in mind based on associations.

Ramci/LUV/Vax are my strongest scumreads.

[Majiffy]

P-edit: If Ram is the goon, Toto is his partner in A.

I recall liking Toto though

[Majiffy]

Anyway the real story here is the fact that two counterwagons cropped up against the Ramci wagon and since the red flip was traitor that means we really should just be lynching Ramci today.

VOTE: C

[Majiffy]

rn I'm interested in preserving our last PR.

Then you should want to lynch in C.

[Majiffy]

Paladin moving forward if you could link to the posts if you're going to just throw numbers down that'd be really helpful because frankly I can't follow your thoughts since I'm too lazy to read your post while simultaneously searching through 500 windows just to look for the posts you're talking about where you're talking about them.

In short, your notes are largely useless because they aren't tied to anything without massive effort.

[Majiffy]

When you guys are done squabbling the best lynch today is in group C

Like, empirical fact.

[Majiffy]

Those are good. Now add Paladin because Eddie was town af

[Majiffy]

VOTE: vonflare

We've done two day phases now and you don't know how voting works yet?

[Majiffy]

Nice catch mate really got me good there

[Majiffy]

The math is different in C than it was in B on account of us hitting a scum yesterday or do you not understand how flips work?

[Majiffy]

If the argument is "I'd rather not have scum killing clears" okay but that just tells me you have no confidence whatsoever in your scum and town reads that you think we'll be shooting blanks 3 lynches in a row.

[Majiffy]

Pretty sure the argument can be boiled down to the following:

Case ONE: No more mislynches the entire game
irrelevant

Case TWO: At least ONE more mislynch for the rest of the GAME

Lynch CORRECTLY in C NOW AND THEN WRONG IN A EVENTUALLY:
SCUM HAVE A CLEAR TO SHOOT ON THE A MISLYNCH

LYNCH WRONG IN A TODAY AND THEN CORRECTLY IN C:
Scum CANNOT SHOOT A CLEAR ON THE MISLYNCH

LITERALLY WITH THE SAME FUCKING TWO LYNCHES

YOU TURBOFUCK

You're ignoring at least 2 possibilities, I'm just sayin'

[Majiffy]

I swear to god the inablity to complete simple mental exercises has made me lose so much respect for the players in this game for whom I had some.

I'd love to say the same but I never really had much respect for you, even as a person.

[Majiffy]

REGALE ME OH PEA-BRAINED ONE OF THE SCENARIOS I'M NOT ACCOUNTING FOR THAT MAKES C ANYTHING OTHER THAN A MORON'S LYNCH

The last living PR is in A. If we mislynch in C scum has to shoot a VT and we still don't lose. Buys us a free mislynch and a report.

If we hit Goon in C scum (basically) has to hit in the clears - all VTs. Buys us multiple reports.

It's a win-win.

[Majiffy]

We lose another PR most likely.

Yeah given where we are at I dont really value this over a confirm inno

We have 0 confirmed innos until we lynch in C and hit goon so you're shooting your own argument here.

[Majiffy]

No the WHO doesn't matter.

Yes we could ML in C and blow it all sure, but there is NO scenario where we benefit from the other order

Kinda does matter since we're in disagreement on which lynches where in each of the groups.

Ergo your "it's the same lynches" is ... patently not true.

[Majiffy]

tbh chesskid's argument already falls when it relies on vonflare being scum.


tbh chesskid's argument already falls when it relies on vonflare being scum.

except it 0% relies on a specific person thats why is says for the same of argument lets assume

Because for the sake of argument flips change lynches so it simply does not work that way


Wait hold on I think there's an image for this



Which one are you?

[Majiffy]

can* keep ICs alive

vs no downside

Downside is not lynching scum

Pretty big downside.

[Majiffy]

the movie sucked.

Great plan Toto looks like you got your hard claim

[Majiffy]

Anyway the real story here is the fact that two counterwagons cropped up against the Ramci wagon and since the red flip was traitor that means we really should just be lynching Ramci today.

VOTE: C

also i can't even exasperate how stupid "x can't be scum because y got counterwagoned over them" is, especially in a game where ONLY 3 MAFIA MEMBERS KNOW WHO EACH OTHER ARE.

Try reading my argument again because not a single thing you said was accurate

[Majiffy]

I do agree that there is value in the VCA but it is incredibly presumptious to say that any counter wagon to scum is automatically also scum. I think that is pretty much the opposite interpretation tbh - why would scum stick their neck out for an unknown? If they were trying to protect scum!Ram there was the far more easier bus of Vonflare imo. Looking back, Desperado was actively posting and Vonflare doing not much. If I was choosing which of those players I'd want on my team, I'd have picked Desperado. I think that the Ram wagon is more telling that Ram is probably town.

People tried to get the Von vote going and then it moved to Desp. For all intents and purposes the traitor lynch in VCA is a townflip. From the goon perspective "any lynch not goon is probably town" fits what happened. Ramci is goon.

[Majiffy]

There are still 7 players in group A, we need to lose a few before the SA can act as a pseudo-detective.

Nah they got a small pool to watch/track in C

C is objectively the best lynch today.

[Majiffy]

so, you telling, that scum team, who managed to find both PRs wasn't able to recognize scum PR and lynched Desp over Von to save me?

Scum who killed two pretty universal townreads that happened to be PRs? Yeah I'm not worried about your insane SCUM SO GUD theory.

Your own logic works against your argument more than against mine, anyway.

[Majiffy]

I'd be willing to lynch any of them besides Majiffy, and it's not that I town read him, I just want him to live till the game is small enough we can sort of interact, get paranoid at each other, and set up a 1v1

Oh god you're scum and want me to townread you in endgame aren't you

I like that traitor crumb.

Get some help

[Majiffy]

@Mod I am uncertain which mafia members know the identities of which other mafia members. Could you please clarify post-haste?

Goons only know who each other are. Traitors do not know who the Traitors are and do not know who the Goons are.

Ugh, oh right.

Townslip (?)

Hi glad you're caught up got any thoughts?

[Majiffy]

Thor is town

Can I interest you in a Ramci lynch?

[Majiffy]

The wagon developed the same way as the CMM wagon, it just didn't end in a lynch because CMM already happened.

As a counterwagon to Ramci just like CMM was a counterwagon to LUV?

Weird, that.

[Majiffy]

The wagon developed the same way as the CMM wagon, it just didn't end in a lynch because CMM already happened.

As a counterwagon to Ramci just like CMM was a counterwagon to LUV?

Weird, that.

So what? LUV has no associatives.

Associatives are bullshit and good scumplayers know how to seed associatives with townies that are lynchbait to win the long game.

I lynch scum when I see scum.

Also I see your guilty on Thor now that I am caught up.

[Majiffy]

yeah but we can chat a bit since the mod won't be here for a while.

how's your day been dude

If we could not spam the shit out of the thread right before two holidays that'd be fucking great.

[Majiffy]

Associatives are bullshit and good scumplayers know how to seed associatives with townies that are lynchbait to win the long game.

Probably, it's just that you're saying scum was pushing a counterwagon to scum!LUV even though no one besides him can tell whether he's scum or not rn lol.

That's fine. But he was also an early and big scumread by a good portion of the playerbase which suddenly decided "Yeah LUV is still scummy but also lets not" which is suss af.

That can be congruent with goon OR traitor. Especially for a D1 lynch. And particularly with Thor on the scumteam.

[Majiffy]

Or just straight up saving the easy mislynches for later which is what I do as scum as often as possible.

[Majiffy]

PR is useless now with the blockers, right?

VOTE: B

I see no advantage to lynching out of Thor

[Majiffy]

Unless we can nail Scum PR in B that gives us an extra day with a living clear

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Thor

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Thor

[Majiffy]

What the fuck less than a page and we're already at lynching?

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Vax

[Majiffy]

What the fuck less than a page and we're already at lynching?

VOTE: Vax

scumclaims

And yet

[Majiffy]

I'm glad we could spamshit the thread up yet another day. It's gonna be great when town loses and we all go "oh yeah I didn't read half the game because it was all trite".

Scums are Vaxkiller, LUV, and Ramci. For those of you that aren't suckling on Chesskid's balls, lynch me and sheep me after kthx.

[Majiffy]

BULB THIS IS MY FORMAL APOLOGY

You gonna apologize to me next?

[Majiffy]

dum townz

[Majiffy]

Scums are Vaxkiller, LUV, and Ramci. For those of you that aren't suckling on Chesskid's balls, lynch me and sheep me after kthx.