Open 701: Pick Yer Power X/Y Game Over!

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: Aster

for rampant setup spec, kinda.

[Chip Butty]

Additionally, what role you chose may be reflective of your alignment. Eg. a cop isn't very likely to be chosen by scum.

Right, so lets

ALL

roleclaim then. I mean that will solve the whole game right?

You keep talking about scum being effected by the role being chosen first and that it could damage scum. Who's to say you didn't want to find out because you're scum and want to know if the kill would be successful tonight then?

Furthermore, why wouldn't mafia take cop if they had first choice? I mean I know it doesn't benefit them as much as town but if scum were to take roles such as cop early in the draft they could stop town from having them roles so roles are not AI at all.

I doubt that scum were really in the draft.

[Chip Butty]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mutant

[Chip Butty]

@texcat : can you point out where it says in the rules that scum participate in the draft?

@wilky : the usual way?

This is my first u-pick game. Is it usual for scum to participate in the draft?

[Chip Butty]

@texcat : can you point out where it says in the rules that scum participate in the draft?

@wilky : the usual way?

This is my first u-pick game. Is it usual for scum to participate in the draft?

Even without reading the rules count the number of players in the draft list then count the number of players in the game...

@texcat : can you point out where it says in the rules that scum participate in the draft?

@wilky : the usual way?

This is my first u-pick game. Is it usual for scum to participate in the draft?

And if scum didn't participate in the draft then the game would be solvable straight away as the guys not in the draft would be the scum team.

This is my first u-pick game. Is it usual for scum to participate in the draft?

i mean, 14 out of 14 players are in the draft order - i'm not sure whether i believe this or not.

Actually, there are 14 players and 16 available roles.

Obviously, scum would have ro be listed in the draft order or, as wilky points out, it would be game solved. But that doesn't mean they really participated in the draft.

Can someone with actual experience with u-pick games comment please?

[Chip Butty]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _Power_X/Y

We have a winner!

Wilky & NSG : didn't you read the setup info? If so, why not point me to that like texcat just did?

[Chip Butty]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _Power_X/Y

We have a winner!

Wilky & NSG : didn't you read the setup info? If so, why not point me to that like texcat just did?

I didn't have to read the setup info as I knew how it worked. Why didn't you go find it yourself?

I just feel that linking to the setup, or at least pointing me to it, would have been a more natural reaction to my question.

[Chip Butty]

As I said, I didn't have it too hand as I didn't need to read it. Now can we leave it at that and get on with the game instead of having some off-topic smokescreen about who should be finding stuff for you?

You didn't have it to hand? Lol what does that even mean here? Do you need your secretary to pull it from the file room or something?

[Chip Butty]

{snip}

We can, but you seem a little defensive here.

Sorry but defensive about what exactly? I'm trying to take the game away from off topic conversations and on to more game related content. I'd be more inclined to believe that keeping an off topic conversation going would be a scummy thing to do.

Okay let's get serious then. Your first post of the game you voted creature. Do you want to stick with that? Why? Why not?

[Chip Butty]

As I said, I didn't have it too hand as I didn't need to read it. Now can we leave it at that and get on with the game instead of having some off-topic smokescreen about who should be finding stuff for you?

You didn't have it to hand? Lol what does that even mean here? Do you need your secretary to pull it from the file room or something?

I didn't have a link for it... I shouldn't have to go looking for it for you.

Why are you trying to keep off topic conversations going? Sounds to me like you're trying to hide something.

You could have just said 'Look at the setup'.

What am I trying to hide?

[Chip Butty]

I told you that scum participated in the draft... Surely that's better than saying look at the setup

Firstly, you played a "I don't know how this setup works" trick to look more town, then you took the conversation off topic and tried to keep it off topic, seems scummy to me.

VOTE: Chip butty

This looks like a 'leave me alone!' vote rather than a genuine 'you're scum!' vote. Tell me, what is my scum motivation for drawing attention ro myself like this?

[Chip Butty]

I told you that scum participated in the draft... Surely that's better than saying look at the setup

Firstly, you played a "I don't know how this setup works" trick to look more town, then you took the conversation off topic and tried to keep it off topic, seems scummy to me.

VOTE: Chip butty

This looks like a 'leave me alone!' vote rather than a genuine 'you're scum!' vote. Tell me, what is my scum motivation for drawing attention ro myself like this?

Keeping yourself acting in the game thread but doing nothing to actually take the game forward.

And how have you yaken the game forward?

Okay, let's do that now. If i wasn't bugging you about the setup stuff, who would tou be looking at as scum right now? Who would you be voting for?

[Chip Butty]

If i had to pick 3 right now:

Wilky for being squirmy and casting a defensive vote.
Mutant for blatant and ill-advised role fishing.
Aster for too much setup spec.

In no particular order yet...

[Chip Butty]

That whole sequence where he is banging on about the draft order. It doesn't seem to lead anywhere useful.

Bear in mind these are just early game reads. You have to start somewhere, though.

Speaking of which, it seems weird that you're bugging me about moving the game forward, but when i invited you to do just that, you couldn't (or wouldn't )...

[Chip Butty]

If i had to pick 3 right now:

Wilky for being squirmy and casting a defensive vote.
Mutant for blatant and ill-advised role fishing.
Aster for too much setup spec.

In no particular order yet...

Surely to make a defensive vote you would have had to make a push on me no? What exactly about my vote was defensive?

Like i said, it looks like a 'leave me alone' vote. That attitude of leave me alone comes more from scum than town, I think.

[Chip Butty]

@mutant:

You've implied you think those at the top of the draft order potentially have the most powerful roles, and that scum will nk accordingly. You are only 5th in the lynch order yet you say if you claimed you would definitely draw the nk? How does that work?

Also can you give a specific claim tex could have made that would be beneficial to town? Why do you think you needed to prompt her to fakeclaim, and why did you think your prompt would inspire her to do so, if she hadnt6already thought of it herself?

[Chip Butty]

I'm not really sure pressing mutant for a claim is beneficial in this setup. As scum he could just claim whatever role he actually got from the draft, since scum and town were choosing from the same pool. No need to lie, and therefore no need to get caught lying.

[Chip Butty]

Yeah, I'm not comfortable with him being on intent at this point. I want to go back and read through the posts that got him into hot water. Will decide then if i want to revote him...

UNVOTE:

[Chip Butty]

Speaking of which, Texcat, are you going to tell us what role you chose? Since you are the first in the draft order you are guaranteed to have a PR. Hence you are the most likely candidate for the scum to shoot.

This can be read as 'Hey, we want to shoot you, you're not a PGO or anything, are you?' it seems to me now to be a bit blatant if from scum. Maybe just moronic. However, elemwnts of mutant's later defence worry me a bit.

[Chip Butty]

If i had to pick 3 right now:

Wilky for being squirmy and casting a defensive vote.
Mutant for blatant and ill-advised role fishing.
Aster for too much setup spec.

In no particular order yet...

What do you think about this, wilky?

Just looked through Aster's ISO and I don't see anything of not there either.

Chip Butty what exactly were you referring to about Aster was it him talking about the 1-7 situation or was it him trying to analyse what the mod had said afterwards that caught your attention?

Creature what are your views on this quote?

It was the 7-1 stuff that caught my eye. Mostly just early game stirring to get things moving. Not worried about Aster currently.

[Chip Butty]

I'm tempted to policy vote Pisskop, but these useless playstyles usually turn out to be town, in my experience. But no lylo for him if he doesn't start contributing at some point.

[Chip Butty]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Creature

[Chip Butty]

Anyone up to wagon CommKnight?

Yay I got ignored again.

Though, I'm sorta fine with pisskop wagon.

but these useless playstyles usually turn out to be town

Yeah, this.

If you agree with me that pisscop is likely useless own, why are you fine with a wagon on him?

[Chip Butty]

^town, not own.

[Chip Butty]

If i had to pick 3 right now:

Wilky for being squirmy and casting a defensive vote.
Mutant for blatant and ill-advised role fishing.
Aster for too much setup spec.

In no particular order yet...

What do you think about this, wilky?

Just looked through Aster's ISO and I don't see anything of not there either.

Chip Butty what exactly were you referring to about Aster was it him talking about the 1-7 situation or was it him trying to analyse what the mod had said afterwards that caught your attention?

Creature what are your views on this quote?

It was the 7-1 stuff that caught my eye. Mostly just early game stirring to get things moving. Not worried about Aster currently.

What would be scum motivated from it? Maybe he could have given up on it a post or two earlier as nothing could be done about it which has already been mentioned but when initially brought up it was perfectly valid and fine to ask.

Some setup spec is okay as long as gamesolving is also being done. That wasn't the case here. It was getting into iioa territory, at least enough to warrant an early-game poke.

[Chip Butty]

Anyone up to wagon CommKnight?

Yay I got ignored again.

Though, I'm sorta fine with pisskop wagon.

but these useless playstyles usually turn out to be town

Yeah, this.

If you agree with me that pisscop is likely useless own, why are you fine with a wagon on him?

Probably because anti-town playstyles are just that. Basically, there's a chance he's scum, but even if he isn't, he's making the game harder for us to win, so...

Why are you feeling the need to supply answers on his behalf? I was interested in what creature had to say for himself.

[Chip Butty]

Some setup spec is okay as long as gamesolving is also being done. That wasn't the case here. It was getting into iioa territory, at least enough to warrant an early-game poke.

iioa?

Information instead of analysis

[Chip Butty]

Ironstove is here?

[Chip Butty]

If it is getting close to nightfall and there isn't a clear scum lynch candidate, I'm happy to lynch antitown.

[Chip Butty]

from a theory point its a crapsack AtE and from a game progress point its a stagnant soft push

• Beats around the bush.

Please pick an answer that contains a "yes" or a "no".

You realise you are asking him if he would be okay with his own policy lynch, right?

[Chip Butty]

that coma is extraneous.

Sentences begin with a capital letter. And it is 'comma'.

[Chip Butty]

Some setup spec is okay as long as gamesolving is also being done. That wasn't the case here. It was getting into iioa territory, at least enough to warrant an early-game poke.

iioa?

Information instead of analysis

So what makes it different to you talking about information on the draft and whether scum could talk during it then?

Simple. I was actively scumhunting at the same time.

[Chip Butty]

I still think Creature is likely scum.

[Chip Butty]

I think most people have completely forgotten the time role over mechanic of this game.

I’ve decided if either myself or pisskop reaches L-1 then I will hammer as to not unnecessarily waste time.

This doesn't make sense at all if you are town. If you are town then you know 100% you are town, and commonsense says a warm town body is more valuable than the time that would be saved.

[Chip Butty]

I'd like to hear the theory too...

[Chip Butty]

That's pretty much par for the course for Assembler. As far as I can tell, his MO is to join games, make a few sparse desultory posts that don't contribute much, then replace out.

[Chip Butty]

In other words, NAI.

[Chip Butty]

Ive been poked. Im also on a laptop atm.

If I have time and feel like it Ill even read up some.

Yeah, nothing protown here. Might as well get ot over with.

VOTE: Pisskop

[Chip Butty]

Four days to go, peeps. Let's not run the clock down to the wire.

[Chip Butty]

Im actually morbidly curious to see just how anti-town and apathetic today's lynch can be.

Probably as antitown and apathetic as your play.

BUUUUUURRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chip Butty]

Observations:

1. Everything pisskop says is intended for the sole purpose of infuriating players;
   
2. Ergo, pisskop is a classic troll;
   
3. The only way to deal with trolls is to ignore them.

Now I'm not sure whether I should just pretend pisskop doesn't exist at all and stop reading his posts, or just lynch him and move on. In the former case I'd be quite salty if he turned out to be scum and thereby won the game, but in the latter case I feel like I'm giving his existence too much credit...

Also, the "add user as foe" function of this site seems to be broken: pisskop's posts are still showing up. Does anyone know if this can be fixed?

Basically, vote who you find scummiest. If nobody stands out, vote for info. If there's not much info to be gained, vote troll.

[Chip Butty]

don't talk vote..
chippy choppy, how do you feel about my _mayyybe_ voting wilks but not you?

What's dionaea?

[Chip Butty]

I'm wary of trolls these days, even town.trolls, because they soak up town attention and distract from scumhunting. We let troll.Ironstove live in Open 698, only to see him throw the game for town. Necro was almost as bad in mn 1950.

[Chip Butty]

I'm torn on Aster atm. On the one hand, i can sympathise, because trolls are degrading this site. On the other, maybe he is just making noise to look active.

Aster, if you are town, time to let it go and get on to scumhunting.

[Chip Butty]

I find it funny that Creature keeps referring to mutant being newbtown when a) they've played on another site together and b) mutant has made it very clear that he is not new, that he has played before, and that he does not want to be discounted as a new player.

His play screams Eager Beaver. I wonder if mutantscum would be capable of ranting along for so long as a wriggling scumlord.

You're just skimming for your name from time to time, yet you magically appear to post an intent to hammer out of nowhere. That intent to hammer also doesn't align with 264 at all.

In fact 264 and 159 don't even seem to come from the same player. What happened between 264 and 159 that made you change your position so radically?

VOTE: pisskop

What Change in What Position???

This post is tryhard. note it, love it, hold it. Its a bad post.

---

K Im bored.

Lynch in

- Lalindra
- Aster
- Commknight
- Ed Edd and Eddy avatar girl
-

mayyyybe assembles or wilky

don't talk vote..
chippy choppy, how do you feel about my _mayyybe_ voting wilks but not you?

don't talk vote..
chippy choppy, how do you feel about my _mayyybe_ voting wilks but not you?

What's dionaea?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionaea

chippy, how do you feel about my null read on wilks but not you

I think you are being remarkably inconsistent and need to explain.

Earlier, you said me v Wilky was scum theatre.
In the first quote you say maybe vote Wilky but not me. No word about what changed your mind about me.
Second quote you asked me about that.
Third quote you imply you have a null read on Wilky but not me. Again you hae changed your position with no explanation.

[Chip Butty]

i refer you to my post about how its crap meta to need to mansplain to you about my feels

If you are being inconsistent, you need to explain yourself, just like anyone else. You need to convince us you are town. So, explanation please...

[Chip Butty]

I mean, you asked me questions then just waved away my answer. What's town about that?

[Chip Butty]

Yeah, nice attempt at deflection. Are you going to explain your inconsistencies or not?

[Chip Butty]

My scumdar is tingling...

[Chip Butty]

By which I mean it's making pinging noises...

[Chip Butty]

I can get on board with this.

VOTE: Cuomo

Right on. Cuomo has been hard lurking and has barely made any impact on the game.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cuomo

Spoiler:

Lol, just kidding...

[Chip Butty]

I really don't like pisskop's posts or playstyle this game, but I don't know if he'd be trolling so aggressively as scum. I do think he's a liability to town, and I'm willing to put him at L-2.

VOTE: pisskop

FoS @ Lalendra. Pisskop is now playing the game and has been for a while. My problem with him right now is he is question dodging and generally not gamesolving.

[Chip Butty]

The words that come to mind when I think of mutant are "hapless" and "lynchbait". I guess meta might provide a clue.

[Chip Butty]

The only real scumread I have rn is CommKnight.

Though, I believe there's scum among these "creature, mutant and pisskop are all scum gg"

like Viomi, CityElectric and Chip Butty mainly.

The good ole chainsaw defence...

[Chip Butty]

Comm is being pretty quiet by his standards, even making allowances for his study schedule. And he mainly seems to be going after easy targets. FoS.

[Chip Butty]

Atm I'm finding it hard to townread people. Wilky is probably closest. He reacted well to my early probing, and seems to be trying to gamesolve.

[Chip Butty]

Just read CityElectric's ISO. Town, I think.

[Chip Butty]

As I said, I didn't have it too hand as I didn't need to read it. Now can we leave it at that and get on with the game instead of having some off-topic smokescreen about who should be finding stuff for you?

You didn't have it to hand? Lol what does that even mean here? Do you need your secretary to pull it from the file room or something?

@CityElectric: this kind of snarky comment isn't unusual for me, as either alignment.

[Chip Butty]

I feel like you shouldn't have mentioned that tbh. Because now any person who chose the number 1 will know that someone who did not choose 7 has the PR they wanted if they don't have a PR themselves.

Speaking of which, Texcat, are you going to tell us what role you chose? Since you are the first in the draft order you are guaranteed to have a PR. Hence you are the most likely candidate for the scum to shoot.

@CityElectric: this and subsequent posts where he tried to explain the question to texcat were the reason I voted him at 63.

[Chip Butty]

I don't want this day to be extreme unproductive so I'd:
- End the mutant wagon
- Ignore mutant and hunt scum elsewhere
- Choose a lynch without it necessarily needing to be mutant

Even if mutant were town, you don't think seeing people's opinions on him and how hard they push him etc. is productive?

I like this.

[Chip Butty]

mutantdevle + Creature scumteam, anyone?

More inclined to see 171 as whiteknighting.

[Chip Butty]

mutantdevle + Creature scumteam, anyone?

Yeah, I really don't like 171 either but like...that's just SUCH obvious buddying. It's hard to see it as anything else but my god that would be blatant if that's what it was.

I mean, mutant is blatantly obvious scum asking for PR claims, and he isn't lynched yet, so... Maybe Creature thought the only way to save him would to be blatant as well?

Reachy.

[Chip Butty]

Back later to finish Viomi ISO...

[Chip Butty]

UNVOTE:

Yeah aster is town

Why?

[Chip Butty]

Reading through...

[Chip Butty]

Back later to finish Viomi ISO...

sup

Overtaken by events. Might as well start there today. Night kill did seem odd...

[Chip Butty]

Texcat - 2
Northsidegal - 3
Assemblerotws - 4
CommKnight - 6
Mutantdevle - 8

MisaTange - 30 - Town

CityElectric - 5
Chip Butty - 5
Wilky - 7
Creature - 7
Lalendra - 7
Aster - 1

Pisskop - 1 - Town

Viomi - 1

I have an idea of narrowing down scum, but it's completely gut for now and it's something maybe only I would do. But it's interesting scum didn't aim at someone who was higher up on the list for a better chance to kill a PR. My theory? Scum in the top 5 people. They don't want to narrow it down for some reason but still want to kill the mid-tier players to snipe out any PRs that got through.

I'm thinking we look more into Chip and City today. 5 is a sweet spot for scum to pick a number. So my bet? 1 town, 1 scum, right there.

Lol and of course 6 is way different from 5.

[Chip Butty]

5 is a sweet spot for scum to pick a number.

Yeah, I've had that feeling one of them had to be scum.

You get scummer almost with every post.

[Chip Butty]

Back later. CK and Creature: If you're town, try to post something more intelligent.

[Chip Butty]

Hey guys, when I inevitably get mislynched or NK'd and going through my ISO, remember this: Chip Butty is definitely town.

Consider me pocketed!

[Chip Butty]

I could do a viomi wagon...

[Chip Butty]

The problem is, there's 3 scum. If 1 is above Misa, 2 are below Misa. Let the potential PRs worry about sorting each other, we need to take out the first two scum first.

And how do you know not all three scum are above Misa? It sounds like you have more information than me somehow.

Who knows, maybe the other 3 are scum? Either way, I'm not risking outing our town PRs on DAY FUCKING TWO. Chances are, we have a cop collecting some alignments before outing, choosing to go after all of our potential PRs D2 sure is a fucking scummy ass thing to do.

Anyone actually have a problem avoiding outing PRs or shall we make a lynch list of people who don't know how to protect PRs anymore in Mafia?

We continue with pushing people below Misa, I'm even including Mutant to avoid lynching today and I fucking SR the shit out of that slot. But protecting our PRs is much more valuable.

So unless someone has some concrete night information to share, we continue down the line. Got a problem? We'll discuss your poor town strategies after this game is over for hopefully a better PYP next time 'round.

The question is: Chip or City. Which one of those two is scum?

Still waiting for you to explain how 5 (me, City) is scummy, while 6 (you) isn't...

[Chip Butty]

@Chip

1.) I know my alignment.
2.) It plays into a theory I have where 1, 3, 5 are likely the numbers scum chose. Maybe it's part OCD on my end, but it does seem likely scum wouldn't just pick like 1,2,3 or something cheesy like that. But they also wouldn't be completely random. Because their goal is to get all 3 of them to be PRs. Which means they're more likely to pick a number that would get them closer to that goal.
3.) The number 5. What townie would pick it? (Obviously one did pick it though), it's just as number that rings "Possible 2nd/3rd in order if all the townies pick the first 4 numbers".

You need to read that aloud to yourself...

[Chip Butty]

Honestly, that was the most laughable pile of horseshit trying to pass itself off as reasoning that I have seen in a long while.

[Chip Butty]

Oh, the old "It was just a reaction test". How fresh and original.

VOTE: Viomi

L-2, I believe...

[Chip Butty]

No, L-1...

[Chip Butty]

Oh, the old "It was just a reaction test". How fresh and original.

VOTE: Viomi

L-2, I believe...

I have a time-stamped digital note to myself saying that it was a reaction test from the start, sweetheart

Like scum can't do that. Lol.

[Chip Butty]

Uh...lynching scum? You know, the usual?

[Chip Butty]

Oh, the old "It was just a reaction test". How fresh and original.

VOTE: Viomi

L-2, I believe...

I have a time-stamped digital note to myself saying that it was a reaction test from the start, sweetheart

Like scum can't do that. Lol.

Ah, so you're claiming it's NAI, yet you vote me for it?

Wut? I voted you before you said you had some sort of note to yourself...

[Chip Butty]

Uh...lynching scum? You know, the usual?

Oh God, are you really this fucking daft? Do you need to go back to middle school English? Fucking facepalm

Apparently. Do you actually have an argument why you are town?

[Chip Butty]

Like Lalendra said...

[Chip Butty]

I'd say that, at L-1, you're the one who should be doing the talking.

[Chip Butty]

Tbh I'd rather be lynching Creature...and I'm a bit worried I'm on the same wagon as CK...

[Chip Butty]

Hey guys, when I inevitably get mislynched or NK'd and going through my ISO, remember this: Chip Butty is definitely town.

Consider me pocketed!

I could do a viomi wagon...

Just the reaction I was looking for~
VOTE: Chip

Damn, letting people sheep without reasoning, guys? We're not going to let scum walk over us like that, are we?

Also lmao at CommKnight's OMGUS on me

Lol, you're attacking me for voting you after this piece of crap?

[Chip Butty]

Tbh I'd rather be lynching Creature...and I'm a bit worried I'm on the same wagon as CK...

Still no reasoning? Stop stalling for more time to make shit up. Unvote or explain yourself.

You first...

[Chip Butty]

Um, accepting my pocket like happy scum and then making a side comment on how you'd be fine lynching me without any reasons attached? I fail to see how my post is bad, you gave the scummiest reaction possible.

Reall? I needed to actually put a "/sarcasm" tag when "accepting" your pocket attempt?

[Chip Butty]

Tbh I'd rather be lynching Creature...and I'm a bit worried I'm on the same wagon as CK...

Still no reasoning? Stop stalling for more time to make shit up. Unvote or explain yourself.

You first...

I've responded to every reason you've given for your vote (not that you've given any good ones).

Do you not know how to play this game? Answer.

No, i mean give me a good reason for your vote on me, because you haven't.

[Chip Butty]

You jnow, there are six people voting you right now...

[Chip Butty]

Um, accepting my pocket like happy scum and then making a side comment on how you'd be fine lynching me without any reasons attached? I fail to see how my post is bad, you gave the scummiest reaction possible.

Reall? I needed to actually put a "/sarcasm" tag when "accepting" your pocket attempt?

Ohh? So now you're claiming you originally thought my pocket was scummy, but reacted as if you didn't for some reason?

Just mentioning that i am aware of is a pocket is enough to establish i wasn't accepting it. You are reacting like caught scum who is angry because you misread me as accepting your pocket attempt.

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: Chip
You should know better than this.

I personally think Mutant is newbtown. Not sure on anyone else yet.

I would be fine with lynching either Pisskop or mutant.

UNVOTE:
North. Please share your theory.

UNVOTE:
North. Please share your theory.

Assembler, do you have any thoughts to share? All you've said is that you thought Mutant was newbtown, but you were ok with his lynch?

I will occasionally help lynch someone whom I townread if I believe the wagon can be mined for data.

Also in before people now claim pisskop is also a scum buddy since he is defending my point on asking if textcat wants to role claim.

Wait, what? Where is he doing that?

Post 415.

I don't see it.

I'm willing to do it.
VOTE: Pisskop
Let this day not be wasted.

Happy birthday, Creature!
Poisoning appears to be just Elmo being creative.

VOTE: Viomi
Despite their claims, they're actually looking less knowledgeable about Pick Your Power vs. Pick Your Poison than they did at the start.

Tex, this is the entire Assembler ISO. What makes him green?

[Chip Butty]

Oh, you're 95% going on draft order...

[Chip Butty]

Can you give us the tl;dr? Who is scum? That's what matters. It's exactly this kind of peripheral waffle that made me suspect you earlier.

[Chip Butty]

Also I will always vote PK over my top scumread because there's a CHANCE my top SR is town. There is no chance PK isn't anti-town

Oh the irony.

[Chip Butty]

Viomi, I'd like to see you do some actual scumhunting instead of complaining and getting all toxic, and I don't mean just finger pointing. Do you really think Assembler and texcat are scum? Your attempt to rebuddy me and start a wagon on Assembler looked opportunistic.

[Chip Butty]

Viomi, if you are town, do you think all scum are already on your wagon?

[Chip Butty]

Actually, speaking of Assembler, texcat still hasn't explained why she coloured him green...

tex?

[Chip Butty]

Yeah, except i was pushing Creature earlier, and critical of CK's thought process.

[Chip Butty]

Vote Count 2.2

CommKnight -
Creature -
northsidegal -
Aster -
texcat -
Viomi (6) - Lalendra, texcat, wilky, Commknight, Assemblerotws, Chip Butty
mutantdevle -
Chip Butty - Viomi
Lalendra -
wilky -
CityElectric -
Assemblerotws -

Not Voting:

With 12 Alive. Takes 7 To Lynch. 6 To No Lynch.
V/LA : CityElectric Dec 16
Deadline Timer (expired on 2017-12-22 07:00:00)

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Sorry Elmo ily <3

Lies! Lies! Lies!

Vote Count 2.4

CommKnight (2) - Aster, Creature
Creature (1) - northsidegal
northsidegal -
Aster -
texcat -
Viomi (6) - Lalendra, texcat, wilky, Commknight, Assemblerotws, Chip Butty
mutantdevle -
Chip Butty - mutantdevle
Lalendra -
wilky -
CityElectric -
Assemblerotws (1) - Viomi

Not Voting: City Electric

With 12 Alive. Takes 7 To Lynch. 6 To No Lynch.
V/LA : CityElectric Dec 16
wilky Requests Replacement
Deadline Timer (expired on 2017-12-22 07:00:00)

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Sticky wagon.

[Chip Butty]

Wagon on Viomi has lasted unchanged for over three days. At least 3 town on it. Does this indicate high conviction, or not giving a shit? For me, I think L-1 situations can be informational, and there is a decent chance Viomi is scum. Deadline is approaching, but I don't mind letting this little drama play out a bit longer.

Will be interesting to see if scum try to jump on this post.

[Chip Butty]

If scum.Viomi, I think scum would have made an excuse to get off the wagon by now. So that is something in viomi's favour.

If town.viomi, i would have thought scum would have made an excuse to hammet by now. Maybe they are all on already?

[Chip Butty]

But that kinda conflicts with my scumreads.

[Chip Butty]

So...I don't know?

[Chip Butty]

Tbh I'd rather be lynching Creature...and I'm a bit worried I'm on the same wagon as CK...

I'm not sure what to make of Creature starting a CK counterwagon...

[Chip Butty]

Tbh I'd rather be lynching Creature...and I'm a bit worried I'm on the same wagon as CK...

I'm not sure what to make of Creature starting a CK counterwagon...

Sorry, Aster started it, Creature jumped on quite easily.

[Chip Butty]

@Chip Butty

Oh, the old "It was just a reaction test". How fresh and original.

VOTE: Viomi

L-2, I believe...

So... what are your reasons for voting Viomi? Becuase even in your other posts you have yet to explain why you are voting Viomi. She has asked you to explain your vote several times but you have always responded with one of 2 excuses that either Viomi hasn't explained her vote on you and that you don't need to do the talking because you are not on L-1. You are going out of your way to avoid giving a reason as to why you are voting Viomi and it's the scummiest shit I have seen on this site so far.

So you have 3 options Chip:
1: Explain why you are voting Viomi.
2: Accept that your vote on Viomi is nothing but OMGUS and hence unvote.
3: Admit you are scum.

Oh but wait, you're not at L-1! Surely that means you don't have to explain any of your actions right? Well, let's see what we can do about that...

VOTE: Chip Butty

You have made 5 posts since I wrote this Chip. Why are you avoiding answering me?

@chip, you have made a further 7 posts since I made this post. These 7 posts continue to ignore me and my position on you.

Your current purposely avoiding questions post count is 12.

Is no one else finding this super scummy?

It's because I think you might just be faking it, and feigning activity to avoid hammering. Your recent posts come across as artificial.

[Chip Butty]

Also, because your threatening yet inpotent tone amuses me.

[Chip Butty]

Hey, welcome back CT! I think your slot is town.

[Chip Butty]

Prodge while we wait for a hammer.

One reason I said Viomi was faking ignorance was because they specifically asked if this setup was Pick Your Poison earlier, but recently they denied knowledge of Pick Your Poison.

What were the other reasons again?

[Chip Butty]

Also welcome @CheekyTeeky.

You might want to take into consideration the actions of Wilky who has caused your slot to gain some heat here and there, but for the most part, it's early enough in the game for me to consider what you bring as fresh. Try to rationalise what you can that wilky said but don't try to justify everything he did because that just looks scummy.

Coaching?

[Chip Butty]

Chip butty wtf...

So you're not answering me because you don't think I'm being serious? Well fun fact, I am being serious. Now we've established that, answer the damn question.

To specify, that question is "why are you voting Viomi"?

Because the answer is either, you are scum, it's OMGUS or you have yet to explain. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here and assuming you just have yet to explain. But the longer you put off doing so, the scummier you look.

It's pretty obvious if you just read the pages leading up to and including my vote post.

[Chip Butty]

Also, I wasn't implying you're not being serious, I'm implying you might well be scum. Then again, you seem like the easy mislynch type, of which we seem to have several in this game.

[Chip Butty]

Atm I'm finding it hard to townread people. Wilky is probably closest. He reacted well to my early probing, and seems to be trying to gamesolve.

@CT & NSG

[Chip Butty]

Comm is being pretty quiet by his standards, even making allowances for his study schedule. And he mainly seems to be going after easy targets. FoS.

My perception is that CK started off quiet and raised the level of bombast when people started noticing. Can anyone confirm/refute?

I can seriously switch to the CK wagon if it looks like it might go through. But with time running out we need to be wary of splitting the vote. All that BS about 5 is scummy but 6 isn't, and 1 3 and 5 are scummy. Ugh.

[Chip Butty]

Texcat - 2
Northsidegal - 3
Assemblerotws - 4
CommKnight - 6
Mutantdevle - 8

MisaTange - 30 - Town

CityElectric - 5
Chip Butty - 5
Wilky - 7
Creature - 7
Lalendra - 7
Aster - 1

Pisskop - 1 - Town

Viomi - 1

I have an idea of narrowing down scum, but it's completely gut for now and it's something maybe only I would do. But it's interesting scum didn't aim at someone who was higher up on the list for a better chance to kill a PR. My theory? Scum in the top 5 people. They don't want to narrow it down for some reason but still want to kill the mid-tier players to snipe out any PRs that got through.

I'm thinking we look more into Chip and City today. 5 is a sweet spot for scum to pick a number. So my bet? 1 town, 1 scum, right there.

The problem is, there's 3 scum. If 1 is above Misa, 2 are below Misa. Let the potential PRs worry about sorting each other, we need to take out the first two scum first.

The question is: Chip or City. Which one of those two is scum?

My guess would be Chip.

But I think the Viomi lynch is better. I think there is a scum among the people who picked 1, and I think that's much more likely than among the people who picked 5. The question should be: Viomi or Aster. And the answer is Viomi.

Honestly, I can roll with this, but I have high suspicion one of the 5's is scum.

VOTE: Viomi - A 1, buddying, gunning for the PRs by aiming higher than Misa. They can die.

@Chip

1.) I know my alignment.
2.) It plays into a theory I have where 1, 3, 5 are likely the numbers scum chose. Maybe it's part OCD on my end, but it does seem likely scum wouldn't just pick like 1,2,3 or something cheesy like that. But they also wouldn't be completely random. Because their goal is to get all 3 of them to be PRs. Which means they're more likely to pick a number that would get them closer to that goal.
3.) The number 5. What townie would pick it? (Obviously one did pick it though), it's just as number that rings "Possible 2nd/3rd in order if all the townies pick the first 4 numbers".

@CT. What do you make of this gunk? It looks bogus to me. In fact:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Comm

[Chip Butty]

All this '5 is scummy but 6 is fine' stuff is pure horseshit, and CK has been full of it.

[Chip Butty]

It's just calculated to give him a pseudo reason for attacking people.

[Chip Butty]

Aster is looking towny these days. Creature is looking more towny than earlier. Still wondering why MT ate the n1 bullet.

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: Viomi page 6 bookmark.

I literally whispered to myself "are you fucking kidding me?" when I saw this post. T'was such a relief to see that your slot had already been voting for Viomi. Please don't scare me like that again

It'd probably be best if you weren't so carefree with your votes in the future but at least no damage was done. I'm glad I'm not the only one that saw scum in Viomi so early in the game.

Maybe it's a playstyle thing, but this makes me want to lynch you.

[Chip Butty]

Also welcome @CheekyTeeky.

You might want to take into consideration the actions of Wilky who has caused your slot to gain some heat here and there, but for the most part, it's early enough in the game for me to consider what you bring as fresh. Try to rationalise what you can that wilky said but don't try to justify everything he did because that just looks scummy.

Coaching?

What do you mean by coaching? I’ll reply to your other posts tomorrow.

Again, you have had plenty of opportunities to reply to this since I asked this question yet you are intent on ignoring me. Can you not even explain a simple word choice when asked?

Also, I wasn't implying you're not being serious, I'm implying you might well be scum. Then again, you seem like the easy mislynch type, of which we seem to have several in this game.

So you are ignoring me because you think I

might

be scum? I don't buy it. You don't ignore Viomi yet you scum read her a lot more than you do me. Sure you don't answer her questions either, but you at least acknowledge them. Furthermore, if you are genuinely ignoring me because I am scum, then what an arrogant a stupid thing to do. The only time you should ever discredit an opinion is if the player has flipped scum. But even then, their opinion may still be useful to figure out who the other scum are. Surely you cannot be so reckless and arrogant to believe that your opinions are guaranteed to be right and hence ignore all those that explore other ideas. Ignoring calls for you to explain your actions is one hell of an anti-town action.

Chip butty wtf...

So you're not answering me because you don't think I'm being serious? Well fun fact, I am being serious. Now we've established that, answer the damn question.

To specify, that question is "why are you voting Viomi"?

Because the answer is either, you are scum, it's OMGUS or you have yet to explain. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here and assuming you just have yet to explain. But the longer you put off doing so, the scummier you look.

It's pretty obvious if you just read the pages leading up to and including my vote post.

So... OMGUS? Either that or because Viomi buddied you. If neither of those are the reason then it is not 'obvious' and you need to explain yourself. An OMGUS vote would warrant an unvote since it's not really a valid reason to vote someone and if you are voting for Viomi purely out of the buddying fiasco then that is both sheeping and not a valid reason to feel so passionately that someone is scum.

Something along those lines.

[Chip Butty]

@mutant: What the fuck do you think coaching means? It means coaching.

[Chip Butty]

How likely it is to Assemble play the game today?

This is the reason I wanted Assemble today to test my theory, because if he does flip town then it's no big loss.

I don't know what it means in terms of alignment, but this is the most engaged i have seen Assembler in a game I think.

I really want to lynch CK.

[Chip Butty]

Softing? Really? Okay I'll go back and look...

[Chip Butty]

As to the draft order, people at the top of draft order are a lot less likely to pick a protective role than someone toward the middle.

Man, I really wish people would read my posts...

Is there anything people can do to help sort you?

[Chip Butty]

Hey CT, what's with your numbers thing? It sounds as flaky as CK's numbers thing...

[Chip Butty]

Personally, I think trying to sort alignments based on draft picks is hogswash. Both alignments will try for the best spots.

[Chip Butty]

Hey CT, what's with your numbers thing? It sounds as flaky as CK's numbers thing...

I thought it was a moment of genius, which probably means it isn't lol. I'm using that plus other info to hopefully nail scum like in battleships.

I'm thinking

CK = Battleship
Creature = Cruiser
Mutant = Rubber Ducky

Yes, I'm back to scumreading Creature and I think now Viomi has a decent chance of being Town.

I need to ISO the players I haven't really looked at much yet...

[Chip Butty]

Deadline looms...

[Chip Butty]

What do you think about this?

I'm still laughing, I explained it out and people still don't understand it. I'm sure scum figured it out by now. Also LOL at Viomi's scum reads ALL being in the top 5 drafting order, get lynched scum.

I really want to lynch CK.

I don't feel like anymore.

Can you explain the second quote in light of the first?

[Chip Butty]

Yes, I'm back to scumreading Creature and I think now Viomi has a decent chance of being Town.

Chip can you expand on your reasons for these changes?

I keep flipflopping on Creature recently. I'll go through some posts in a moment. Viomi could flip either way. I'm just getting towner vibes, but I'll see if i can isolate anything specific...

[Chip Butty]

I'll be backin a few hours to do that stuff I just said...

[Chip Butty]

I'm not lynching Cheeky. I still have a firm scum read on Chip and would still be up for lynching Viomi.

Too many people seem to town read Chip but I just can't agree with that when he is unable to explain anything first time to literally anyone.

I roll deep, mofo.

In other news, CK and Creature are still SAF. With Mutant, the playstyle thing might be getting in the way. Not for today anyway.

[Chip Butty]

Creature is so openly supporting CK though...

[Chip Butty]

So Viomi, you REALLY think no scum chose 1 as their number? Not a single one out of the 3 of them?

Here is a simple reason why scum would not choose 1:

Either they get the top spot, if nobody else picks 1, or they get a low spot if one or more others pick it too. Obviously the latter is undesirable. If they get the top spot, everybody thinks they obviously got a primo PR and pretty soon starts to wonder why they haven't been NKed, especially a doctor if there is one in the game.

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: CommKnight

L-1!!! BTW

UNVOTE:

This is the second or third time Cheeky has waffled off of CK.

Pretty sure that means if CK is scum, so is CT.

Actually, even if CK is town this is scummy as fuck.

CT, why are you waffling on CK so much?

You conveniently forgot to mention that prior to that unvote, Creature posted something scummy and CT remarked on it. And CT isn’t "waffling"...

[Chip Butty]

Actually, speaking of Assembler, texcat still hasn't explained why she coloured him green...

tex?

Actually, speaking of Assembler, texcat still hasn't explained why she coloured him green...

tex?

Meta. I played my last game with Assembler.

A yes or no question:
Is the meta just related to his activity?

If you mean solely related to his activity, then no.

Fair then.

You still think Viomi is the best way to go?

This is disturbing me.

Tex: can you explain what it was about Assembler's meta that made you townread him, with reference to his posts up to that point?

Creature: why did you accept this so easily?

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: Creature

If you guys pull another pisskop on me because town doesn't give a shit then please get Creature next. Thanks.

Also why do scum want me mislynched today or tomorrow? I see no case so gtfo or give me something decent to respond to. Well anyone except Viomi. That slot is making me apathetic af.

Maybe if you start seeing brighter we can work together. Townreading me would be a good start.

On the other hand, asking to be townread would not be a good start.

[Chip Butty]

Because I'm trusting tex's meta.

Why?

[Chip Butty]

texcat is out of the table for today btw.

That'll be interesting when you flip.

[Chip Butty]

CheekyTeeky has the potential to be VI, Chip Butty on the other hand could very well be taking advantage of the situation.

I can assure you CT isn't VI.

[Chip Butty]

Because I'm trusting tex's meta.

Why?

Because I townread texcat and I don't see why texcat would give it to the table if it was completely wrong.

Okay, let me check your ISO for texcat assessments...

[Chip Butty]

Then it's scum?

At the time of the replace in, I was townreading the Wilky slot. I'll need to ISO CT to check, but right at this moment I'm not suspicious of her.

[Chip Butty]

Okay, so that's theoretical intent to hammer. Assuming those votes go through, @Chip you might wanna start thinking about your final words.

Basically, you're scum or VI, and i don't care enough to resist the lynch in this game because lametown. Either way, it's been amusing to watch you jump up and down over me not answering your questions.

CK, Creature, texcat also need scrutiny when I'm dead.

[Chip Butty]

I can't believe CK or Creature isn't being lynched today. Smh.

[Chip Butty]

Okay, so that's theoretical intent to hammer. Assuming those votes go through, @Chip you might wanna start thinking about your final words.

Basically, you're scum or VI, and i don't care enough to resist the lynch in this game because lametown. Either way, it's been amusing to watch you jump up and down over me not answering your questions.

CK, Creature, texcat also need scrutiny when I'm dead.

Then maybe you should have done something like... hmm, idk... answered the simple questions I was asking you?

Did you read the part about you being scum or VI?

[Chip Butty]

Can we not compromise Lynch? Lalendra's slot is scum

Lalendra is always lynchbaity.

[Chip Butty]

Comm and Viomi have both expressed interest in the Chip wagon, so technically we just need the support of 1 more person for that lynch to be possible.

If you're town, it's your stupid little ego that is driving this. Me not answering your dumbfuck questions really bothered you, didn't it?

[Chip Butty]

If i was scum, I wouldn't draw attentuon to myself that way.

[Chip Butty]

Def an ego lynch by Mutant. He's got nothing, exceptvi didn't answer his fool questions. Get out of the way little man, if you're town, and let the rest of us solve the game.

[Chip Butty]

The self-meta isn’t doing you any favors Chip. If you don’t want to engage with mutant any further just ignore him and start scum hunting.

Well, I've been scumhunting all along. I was after Viomi until changing my mind about her, and I've been pretty damn clear on my CK/Creature scumreads.

[Chip Butty]

But you're right. Engaging with Mutant is a waste of time. I want to look at Creatue / texcat interactions, as I mentioned pre-Xmas. Hopefully in the next few hours.

[Chip Butty]

I disagree with Aster's assessment of Lalendra. In a minute I'll point to some posts to show why.

[Chip Butty]

Now Creature has jumped on this bw as well. Can't people see how scummy he is being? If we can't get CK today (why, oh why?), I can compromise with a Creature lynch.

[Chip Butty]

Well, it seems like this game is going to be progressing at a good clip. Hi all, back from Thanksgiving shenanigans and ready to dive in.

Curious is how quickly you backtrack on asking for a roleclaim. Northside

hadn't even said a word

and you already felt like you needed to defend yourself with "no, I totally wasn't asking for roleclaims!". It gives the impression that

you knew

that you just committed a scum action.

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There is one more curious thing about asking for roles: suppose Tex would claim her role. We, as townies, wouldn't have a clue whether her role was town or not. The mafia, however, would know—and if Tex is town (like you

somehow

silently assumed in post #35), then its all the more power to them. Roleclaiming seems kinda more beneficial to mafia than to town.

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I would vote you, but my vote is already on you from the RVS, so I shall do the following:

UNVOTE: mutantdevle
VOTE: mutantdevle4reals

I agree with Aster's reasoning here, I really really don't like the rolefishing Mutant is doing. It's wayyyy too early in the game for that and is not at all beneficial to town. Even less beneficial is the way in which Mutant pointed out who should be the first NK, like are you kidding me?

Luckily for me, my placement in the list allowed me to choose my role more comfortably. Whether or not I received said role or what role I was after I am unwilling to disclose at this time.

So you acknowledge that you are unwilling to disclose your role; why would you feel that Tex may have been willing to do so?

I hadn't previously considered the possibility of scum taking roles to prevent town having them. Possibly because I'm someone who prefers to boost one's own team rather than subtracting from the other.

Look at this. I mean REALLY LOOK AT IT. He draws a parallel between the two and basically says "As scum, I prefer to boost my own team rather than try to subtract from town by taking their PR's away."

wow, finally getting this started - it feels like it's been over a month since i signed up.

Leaving here that I detected so far one post that looks very forced and one post that looks very genuine.

Free towncred if you can find each.

12 & 16?

Also I get the feeling this question is to just test for people who want to appear townie.

why did you answer it, then?

I would like an answer to this as well.

Ugh, that rolefishing.

mutant, have you tried a newbie before?

I don't like this. His join date is a month ago but he already said earlier in the thread that he has plenty of experience playing mafia, and in case that wasn't clear, he even refutes your noob claim later:

What I'm worried about mutantdevle is that he has no idea of how mafia works here. So I'm thinking his rolefishing is town motivated even if it's pretty bad.

I’m familiarising myself with how things work on this site. I’m yet to complete a game here but I am currently in 3 of them. On the EE forums however I have played at least 6 games and even hosted one. The mafia culture there is a lot different though. So basically I’m not completely inexperienced and I wouldn’t want anyone to discard me as that.

I almost think that Creature is a scumbuddy who is trying to help out Mutant, and Mutant is just too prideful to take the bait.

I told you that scum participated in the draft... Surely that's better than saying look at the setup

Firstly, you played a "I don't know how this setup works" trick to look more town, then you took the conversation off topic and tried to keep it off topic, seems scummy to me.

VOTE: Chip butty

I don't like how Wilky is willfully ignoring the rolefishing issue which has generated so much discussion otherwise.

If i had to pick 3 right now:

Wilky for being squirmy and casting a defensive vote.
Mutant for blatant and ill-advised role fishing.
Aster for too much setup spec.

In no particular order yet...

I don't know how I feel about this, he acknowledges the issue with Mutant but it seems obligatory, like he just has to acknowledge what's going on.

VOTE: mutantdevie for bandwagoning.

(This is totally unrelated from my fear of mutant zombies.)

Seemed forced.

VOTE: Pisskop - One scum in the group of 1's for sure.

Also holy shit, look at that. I managed to pick the one number that wouldn't screw me and someone else over.

Seemed genuine.

Can you explain this a bit more? These are both RVS votes, surely your reads have to have developed a little more since then. Also, why are you just now answering this question, which was already pointed out by Mutant as seemingly obvious fishing for towncred?

On the whole, I like this entrance. L engages with the issues of the day, and takes some stances. On some issues she is wishy washy but hey, opening post. Misreads Mutant's 54 but this might just be an error. Otoh Mutant was looking like an easy bw to jump on. Without a Mutant flip it's hard to assess further.

[Chip Butty]

I do not accept I was role fishing I was simply asking a fish if they'd be willing to jump out of the water. I had no intention of throwing my hook into the water if she said no.

This just sounds like semantics.

Texcat had free choice of role. She had the freedom to choose absolutely any role on the list without worry that someone else may take the role. As a result, she could choose whichever role she thought was the strongest.

Hence she potentially has the strongest and most valuable role in the game.

Fake claiming as something either less useful or potentially damaging for the mafia if they were to target her could prevent them from doing so. Personally,

I would consider the act of fake claiming as a little selfish

since there are the dangers of someone CC and it would divert the kill to someone else but I put the option there for if she wanted to take it.

Either way, starting a conversation about her role is anti-town, to me. If she has the strongest and most valuable role in the game, why bring attention to it? You said it might benefit town to know what it was, but it also benefits scum. And then you say fake-claiming would be selfish, but by bringing up the topic of her claim (whether you think it was role-fishing or not is irrelevant), you are leading to one or the other of those eventualities. If she indicates she doesn't want to claim, you have still cast a spotlight on her, turning her into lynchbait if she is town, and thereby potentially losing one of our biggest assets.

This admittedly is a bit sus. It's as if L knows for sure texcat is town. But since i think there is plenty of room for doubt about that conclusion, it might have just been an unacknowledged assumption by L.

[Chip Butty]

@LUV: I'm only being hostile to Mutant, and it's because his post style in this game annoys the fuck out of me.

[Chip Butty]

I was way more hostile to a certain player in mn 1946. We were both town.

[Chip Butty]

I find it funny that Creature keeps referring to mutant being newbtown when a) they've played on another site together and b) mutant has made it very clear that he is not new, that he has played before, and that he does not want to be discounted as a new player.

Aster, I don't think I understand why you were pushing an answer regarding pisskop's lynch, and then suddenly decided to switch from him to Mutant.

That said, I would be willing to lynch either of them, so I guess my vote stays where it is until the end of the day gets closer.

Asking questions again. States clear position on lynching Mutant or Pisscop. Suspicious of Creature. I don't have problems with any of that. Sure, it's not hugely original, but that's NAI for L.

[Chip Butty]

@Chip: Did you not read the post where I replied to Lalendra's entire ISO? Her entrance is literally her only good post. You attempting to bring that up as if she wasn't super scum the whole time is sus.

I'm going through her ISO to make my own assessment, since she has attracted a wagon.

[Chip Butty]

@Viomi: lurking isn't AI, because RL.

[Chip Butty]

Like, I'm hella busy, but I'm making an effort in this game right now because we have a deadline approaching. But I need to get back to RL real soon.

[Chip Butty]

I find it funny that Creature keeps referring to mutant being newbtown when a) they've played on another site together and b) mutant has made it very clear that he is not new, that he has played before, and that he does not want to be discounted as a new player.

Aster, I don't think I understand why you were pushing an answer regarding pisskop's lynch, and then suddenly decided to switch from him to Mutant.

That said, I would be willing to lynch either of them, so I guess my vote stays where it is until the end of the day gets closer.

Asking questions again. States clear position on lynching Mutant or Pisscop. Suspicious of Creature. I don't have problems with any of that. Sure, it's not hugely original, but that's NAI for L.

First post has no questions, in fact is entirely fluff.

Second post has no questions, just says she'd be willing to lynch either of them and criticizes Aster for jumping over when.. she jumps between the two as well.

Your "assessment" is already blatantly biased and incorrect, trying to make her look more town. Why is this?

That's total BS. In that first post, L pokes repeatedly at Mutant, makes pointed comments about Creature and Wilky, and asks a question at the end. It's virtually fluff free.

[Chip Butty]

Anyway, I wanna progress my ISO. I have about 10 more minutes...

@CE: Definitely willing if it looks doable. No way can Creature go into LYLO/MYLO. Worried about the deadline approaching though. And my first choice is still CK.

[Chip Butty]

Well, it seems like this game is going to be progressing at a good clip. Hi all, back from Thanksgiving shenanigans and ready to dive in.

Curious is how quickly you backtrack on asking for a roleclaim. Northside

hadn't even said a word

and you already felt like you needed to defend yourself with "no, I totally wasn't asking for roleclaims!". It gives the impression that

you knew

that you just committed a scum action.

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There is one more curious thing about asking for roles: suppose Tex would claim her role. We, as townies, wouldn't have a clue whether her role was town or not. The mafia, however, would know—and if Tex is town (like you

somehow

silently assumed in post #35), then its all the more power to them. Roleclaiming seems kinda more beneficial to mafia than to town.

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I would vote you, but my vote is already on you from the RVS, so I shall do the following:

UNVOTE: mutantdevle
VOTE: mutantdevle4reals

I agree with Aster's reasoning here, I really really don't like the rolefishing Mutant is doing. It's wayyyy too early in the game for that and is not at all beneficial to town. Even less beneficial is the way in which Mutant pointed out who should be the first NK, like are you kidding me?

Luckily for me, my placement in the list allowed me to choose my role more comfortably. Whether or not I received said role or what role I was after I am unwilling to disclose at this time.

So you acknowledge that you are unwilling to disclose your role; why would you feel that Tex may have been willing to do so?

I hadn't previously considered the possibility of scum taking roles to prevent town having them. Possibly because I'm someone who prefers to boost one's own team rather than subtracting from the other.

Look at this. I mean REALLY LOOK AT IT. He draws a parallel between the two and basically says "As scum, I prefer to boost my own team rather than try to subtract from town by taking their PR's away."

wow, finally getting this started - it feels like it's been over a month since i signed up.

Leaving here that I detected so far one post that looks very forced and one post that looks very genuine.

Free towncred if you can find each.

12 & 16?

Also I get the feeling this question is to just test for people who want to appear townie.

why did you answer it, then?

I would like an answer to this as well.

Ugh, that rolefishing.

mutant, have you tried a newbie before?

I don't like this. His join date is a month ago but he already said earlier in the thread that he has plenty of experience playing mafia, and in case that wasn't clear, he even refutes your noob claim later:

What I'm worried about mutantdevle is that he has no idea of how mafia works here. So I'm thinking his rolefishing is town motivated even if it's pretty bad.

I’m familiarising myself with how things work on this site. I’m yet to complete a game here but I am currently in 3 of them. On the EE forums however I have played at least 6 games and even hosted one. The mafia culture there is a lot different though. So basically I’m not completely inexperienced and I wouldn’t want anyone to discard me as that.

I almost think that Creature is a scumbuddy who is trying to help out Mutant, and Mutant is just too prideful to take the bait.

I told you that scum participated in the draft... Surely that's better than saying look at the setup

Firstly, you played a "I don't know how this setup works" trick to look more town, then you took the conversation off topic and tried to keep it off topic, seems scummy to me.

VOTE: Chip butty

I don't like how Wilky is willfully ignoring the rolefishing issue which has generated so much discussion otherwise.

If i had to pick 3 right now:

Wilky for being squirmy and casting a defensive vote.
Mutant for blatant and ill-advised role fishing.
Aster for too much setup spec.

In no particular order yet...

I don't know how I feel about this, he acknowledges the issue with Mutant but it seems obligatory, like he just has to acknowledge what's going on.

VOTE: mutantdevie for bandwagoning.

(This is totally unrelated from my fear of mutant zombies.)

Seemed forced.

VOTE: Pisskop - One scum in the group of 1's for sure.

Also holy shit, look at that. I managed to pick the one number that wouldn't screw me and someone else over.

Seemed genuine.

Can you explain this a bit more? These are both RVS votes, surely your reads have to have developed a little more since then. Also, why are you just now answering this question, which was already pointed out by Mutant as seemingly obvious fishing for towncred?

@Viomi: there are 2 questions in the last para.

[Chip Butty]

@Viomi: I think our definitions of fluff must differ radically.

Okay, gotta run...

[Chip Butty]

I find it funny that Creature keeps referring to mutant being newbtown when a) they've played on another site together and b) mutant has made it very clear that he is not new, that he has played before, and that he does not want to be discounted as a new player.

Aster, I don't think I understand why you were pushing an answer regarding pisskop's lynch, and then suddenly decided to switch from him to Mutant.

That said, I would be willing to lynch either of them, so I guess my vote stays where it is until the end of the day gets closer.

Asking questions again. States clear position on lynching Mutant or Pisscop. Suspicious of Creature. I don't have problems with any of that. Sure, it's not hugely original, but that's NAI for L.

First post has no questions, in fact is entirely fluff.

Second post has no questions, just says she'd be willing to lynch either of them and criticizes Aster for jumping over when.. she jumps between the two as well.

Your "assessment" is already blatantly biased and incorrect, trying to make her look more town. Why is this?

Oh this one. First post here is expressing suspicion. It's not fluff. 337 includes an implied question.

So now you ate scumreading ne because i have a differentinterpretation to you? This game just gets dumber and dumber.

[Chip Butty]

Suspects for today should be CK, Creature, texcat, and Mutant, in that order. Don't forget the early role fishing. Sometimes VIs roll scum.

Later...

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: Chip
You should know better than this.

I personally think Mutant is newbtown. Not sure on anyone else yet.

I would be fine with lynching either Pisskop or mutant.

UNVOTE:
North. Please share your theory.

UNVOTE:
North. Please share your theory.

Assembler, do you have any thoughts to share? All you've said is that you thought Mutant was newbtown, but you were ok with his lynch?

I will occasionally help lynch someone whom I townread if I believe the wagon can be mined for data.

Also in before people now claim pisskop is also a scum buddy since he is defending my point on asking if textcat wants to role claim.

Wait, what? Where is he doing that?

Post 415.

I don't see it.

I'm willing to do it.
VOTE: Pisskop
Let this day not be wasted.

Happy birthday, Creature!
Poisoning appears to be just Elmo being creative.

VOTE: Viomi
Despite their claims, they're actually looking less knowledgeable about Pick Your Power vs. Pick Your Poison than they did at the start.

Tex, this is the entire Assembler ISO. What makes him green?

Actually, speaking of Assembler, texcat still hasn't explained why she coloured him green...

tex?

Actually, I've been sispicious of texcat since back here, when the Viomi wagon was the main game.

Show me where Lalendra was on my scumlist?

[Chip Butty]

Also I love how Chip has never given his opinion on texcat until right now where he's on the lynch list just for good measure, right in the middle just in case texcat dies at some point so he can get towncred.

How do i get towncred from texcat's death unless she is scum? Did you just scumslip lol?

[Chip Butty]

@Viomi: I won't have a final opinion until i finish my ISO. The stuff I've looked at so far doesn't look bad, for L. Like i said earlier, she's lynchbait.

[Chip Butty]

I gotta decide on whether Chip is VI or just scum, but I'm leaning back to "just scum".

As for you, you are in no position to call anyone either VI or scum.

[Chip Butty]

Of xourse, sometimes lynchbait rolls scum too...

[Chip Butty]

I'm thinking LUV doesn't look bad in the Lalendra slot so far.

Btw @LUV: my suspicion of CK is mainly based on his horseshit setup reasoning. I think he knows better.

[Chip Butty]

I was way more hostile to a certain player in mn 1946. We were both town.

@Aster: check it out. I was also hostile as town in mn 1950 and some stupid R2R game.

[Chip Butty]

Kid
Momo
Viomi, CE, Aster, NSG, LUV
tex
CK, Creature

Mutant: prob tunnelling vi. His statistics are based on too small a sample size to be meaningful. Waste of time.
LUV: Based on Lalendra being lynchbait and LUV redeeming the slot a bit.
Viomi: was leaning town but recent push on me was sketchy at times.
Momo: mainly because of Wilky in the slot, and CT to a lesser extent.
Aster: not attracting too much attention. Maybe cruising.
NSG: almost completely under my radar. Need to ISO.
CE: also sliding through quietly.

Hopefully i got all the replacements right...

[Chip Butty]

Kid
Momo
Viomi, CE, Aster, NSG, LUV
tex
CK, Creature

Mutant: prob tunnelling vi. His statistics are based on too small a sample size to be meaningful. Waste of time.
LUV: Based on Lalendra being lynchbait and LUV redeeming the slot a bit.
Viomi: was leaning town but recent push on me was sketchy at times.
Momo: mainly because of Wilky in the slot, and CT to a lesser extent.
Aster: not attracting too much attention. Maybe cruising.
NSG: almost completely under my radar. Need to ISO.
CE: also sliding through quietly.

Hopefully i got all the replacements right...

so just to like

make sure I'm not reading this incorrectly

Your top townread is someone you have literally never directly interacted with (seriously, Ctrl-F Butty's ISO, there isn't a single mention of me or even a quote there) and your 2nd-highest townread is based entirely off a questionable at best read on their predecessors

like... am I reading this wrong because that is, as the kids say, "fucking wack"

Yes, you're reading it correctly. You've been screaming town to me since you replaced in. Direct interaction isn’t all that important. I can see your interactìons with others. Can deliver a full ISO if you need it.

As for the momo read, it is perfectly reasonable to take all occupants of a slot into account. That's what I'm doing with the Lalendra/LUV slot too. Well, that and Lalendra-meta.

I'm happy with my reads.

[Chip Butty]

Mod, I believe

scumlord

CK needs a prod.

[Chip Butty]

Kid
Momo
Viomi, CE, Aster, NSG, LUV
tex
CK, Creature

Mutant: prob tunnelling vi. His statistics are based on too small a sample size to be meaningful. Waste of time.
LUV: Based on Lalendra being lynchbait and LUV redeeming the slot a bit.
Viomi: was leaning town but recent push on me was sketchy at times.
Momo: mainly because of Wilky in the slot, and CT to a lesser extent.
Aster: not attracting too much attention. Maybe cruising.
NSG: almost completely under my radar. Need to ISO.
CE: also sliding through quietly.

Hopefully i got all the replacements right...

I might be failing reading 101 here, but where is mutant on your reads list?

I've been flipflipping on the mutant dumb or scum or both question. Still not really sure...

[Chip Butty]

The first line after the list was meant to explain where I was at re mutant. I probably should have separated it from rhe other notes for clarity.

[Chip Butty]

Mutant is taking some very strong stands (eg me, Comm). Gun to my head right now i would say town, I guess.

[Chip Butty]

No, just you. CK is scum, probably tex too. Momo serms to have just replaced in and voted me without putting much thought into it. I don't think he posted any reasons, anyway. So don't try to blame your tunnelling on me. I know ehat I'm doing.

[Chip Butty]

I just ISOed NSG and I'm moving her to the lean town pile, based on previous games I've played with her.

But NSG: you didn't have much to say about the PK wagon?

What are your current thoughts on Mutant and Creature? You were riding Mutant pretty hard early on.

[Chip Butty]

Something that I find scummiest about people is when they fail to acknowledge thier own scummy actions. Chip, have you not considered that perhaps the issue is with the way you are presenting yourself rather than me simply being dumb? After all, there is a wagon on you. Surely you’re not trying to suggest that everyone voting for you is idiotic?

If you look up, you'll see a tiny speck in the sky above you. That's me, playing way over your head.

[Chip Butty]

Except you didn’t know how to have a decent vote on Viomi.

And you didn’t know how to answer 1 simple fucking question.

Lol actually meant to quote this post. Bad Siri!

[Chip Butty]

Something that I find scummiest about people is when they fail to acknowledge thier own scummy actions. Chip, have you not considered that perhaps the issue is with the way you are presenting yourself rather than me simply being dumb? After all, there is a wagon on you. Surely you’re not trying to suggest that everyone voting for you is idiotic?

If you look up, you'll see a tiny speck in the sky above you. That's me, playing way over your head.

Oh, my apologies. I didn't realise that finding every excuse you can to not justify 1 specific read was an OP strat that I'll never understand.

No problem. Better late than never...

[Chip Butty]

Viomi, do you want me to switch to Chip? Soon I won't be able to change my vote anymore.

Viomi, do you want me to switch to Chip? Soon I won't be able to change my vote anymore.

Siiigh. Yeah, please do. I'll hammer if we get another vote on him.

Lol, it's getting hard to sort the scum from the idiots. Someone, please hammer. This is the dumbest town I've ever been in.

[Chip Butty]

Vote Count 2.17

CommKnight (5) - Chip Butty, northsidegal, KidAmn, CityElectric, Aster
Creature (1) - CityElectric
northsidegal -
Aster -
texcat -
Viomi (1) -
mutantdevle -
Chip Butty (4) - mutantdevle, CommKnight, texcat, Momo
Lil Uzi Vert (1) - Viomi,
momo (1) -
CityElectric -
KidAmn -

Not Voting: Lil Uzi Vert
With 12 Alive. Takes 7 To Lynch. 6 To No Lynch.
Deadline Timer (expired on 2017-12-30 07:00:00)

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Seeing as we're less than 10 hours from the deadline, could you pleaaase make these accurate?

CK wagon: I think the first 3 are town. CE and Aster not sure, but given my wagon, probably okay by poe.

Chip wagon (now including Creature and soon Viomi): I'm still thinking CK and probably tex. One of Creature and Viomi for third scum. Mutant is just tunnelling over his stupid Viomi question thing, which I used to sort him by reaction. Inevitably the little shit will try to blame his mistake on me, because he just doesn't get what I did. Momo needs to put some thought into this. If Viomi is town she needs to remember who was first off her wagon when she looked like eating rope - no scum motivation for me to do that.

Doubts.
Mutant: don't forget the early role fishing. Might just be playing at vi.
CK: I've seen him play nearly as dumb as this as town.
Creature: who the fuck really knows? Seems trollish at times. Could be a second vi.

Hopefully that's enough association info to be useful.

[Chip Butty]

I guess that CommKnight still won't get lynched today after all, and neither will Lalendra/LUV. Between lynching Chip and No Lynch, I'd rather lynch Chip, so

UNVOTE: CommKnight
VOTE: Chip Butty

That puts Chip at L-1.

Intent to hammer

.

Claim please Chip, if you're online still.

i'm assuimg that "someone pelase hammer" means there's nothing to claim.

VOTE: chip butty

LOL.

[Chip Butty]

Yep. Dumbtown.