Micro 759: Tarot uPick III - Game Over!

[Porkens]

I'm going to fuck someone up this game.

[Porkens]

I'm going to fuck someone up this game.

Well I guess I'm automatically exempt, hooray for me.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, please excuse me.

[Porkens]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, please excuse me.

You're excused.

Touche.

Why would you be exempt from getting phrasal verbed?

[Porkens]

I prefer not to get fucked by men.

Ah yes, that is what I suspected you meant. I'm sorry that I didn't express myself more clearly. I was trying to use "fuck up" to mean "mess up" or "beat" or "destroy", rather than "copulate with".

There was no sexually-charged meaning intended, although I can certainly see how one could be inferred.

[Porkens]

VOICING YOUR TRS GETS THEM KILLED / HELPS SCUM PLAN

DON'T DO IT

Does this really work?

I TR Jabarkas Mayonnaise.

[Porkens]

this is actually how I interpreted it but I wasn't going to go there

It wasn't how I interpreted it I'm just being gross to get reactions.

well then !

even when you don't get fucked by men, you're getting fucked by men

I've been fucked by men and I've never been fucked by a man!

hmmm though I suppose I've fucked myself ? hmmm

deep thoughts

by Jack Handy

This seems forced.

[Porkens]

I TR Jabarkas Mayonnaise.

^ Obviously white.

[Porkens]

We could quicklynch; we've got 5 people here.

[Porkens]

Are you rolefishing?

[Porkens]

I am ignorant on that topic.

I'll come back in a little while, I think I'm gunna go sniff out some phrasal verbing.

[Porkens]

Oh oh, I have a question!!

Why did you take the time to explain in such detail but didn't take the time to count posts?

Never mind, I know the answer.

[Porkens]

what's the answer?

Lazy.

[Porkens]

Actually I'd like to start the game here with some RQS so four questions for everyone borrowed from Regfan:

1) What are your availabilities re: timezone / time of day / posting frequency?
2) What kind of experience do you have with mafia and how does that inform your play?
3) Do you prefer hunting down scum to manipulating town and why?
4) How would you describe your playstyle and is there anything about it you're trying to change this game?

1) Im pacific time and i am not good at routines so I'll be on a lot but then not at all and so forth. Mostly can't keep my mouth shut, but I try a bit.
2) Ive only played on EM and MS...I dunno how to explain how it informs my play. I'm trying to get better, it continues to be a long process.
3) i like to manipulate people, but i also like catching scum, I prefer hunting scum, but I'm better at manipulating people I think.
4)

redacted.

[Porkens]

nancy,

Past: King of Diamonds
Up to now, you have been secure in a middle position. This could be about your work, or a social situation. You haven't been the best, but you have been comfortable in your niche.

Present: 5 of diamonds
You are experiencing change, and your former position has been disrupted. Maybe your footing in life suddenly isn't as solid as it had been before. You are you may be feeling a deprivation of something that you normally cling to for security.

Future: Jack of Spades
You will be drawn to rebellion, or perhaps drawn into an act of rebellion by someone else.

Warning: Jack of Hearts
Be wary of temptation and allure. What seems like love may be something else.

[Porkens]

Mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it.

[Porkens]

Since the thread has exploded...
Porkens:71 Townread and no explanation? Give one. Now.
85 Explain that post. What made you do it? Why did you post that?
Dunker:51Explain your townreads right now. Given what I know about the accuracy of your reads and your playstyle: It is usually anti-town regardless of alignment and your reads are wildly inaccurate. So why are they locktown to you?
drealmerz7:You have a strong scumread on Nancy. Explain that scumread as soon as possible. You had a fake dayvig.
I also notice you have a high number of useless posts

that unneccessarily drive the post count up

. Fix that.
Jabarkas Mayonnaise:10 Explain yourself: Was that a townread or a joke?
Jarbakas Mayonaise has a high number of posts talking about theory and player setup. Literally nothing else! That is highly suspicious. Really. No investment into real scumhunting.
Acid:Not enough info yet.
Nancy: Why are you asking these questions? I have not seen the answer yet. Answer that question now!
LUV: You don't care about motivation? What??? That is highly suspicious.
Yeti: I like your posts so far.

Based on that, my two top scumreads are Jabarkas Mayonnaise and LUV. However, before I vote I'd like to see some answers to my questions. If I don't get any answers my reads will not change favourably.

This looks forced and artificial.

[Porkens]

Not known 15,

Past: 10 of clubs, reversed. You have been irresponsible. Shirking your duty, shrinking from your required place. Perhaps you have been squandering your potential for action, or distracted by some fleeting passions.

Present: 8 of diamonds, reversed. Denial of power, frustration of skill, someone may be chipping away at your position, or perhaps you are doing the chipping.

Future: 9 of diamonds, reversed. Indulgence leads to poor leadership decisions. You may be overestinmating the security of your position.

Warning: 8 of clubs, reversed. Moving your agenda forward through brute force is tempting, but could have serious negative consequences.

Opportunity: 4 of hearts, reversed. Embracing life wholeheartedly will add stability to your position. Throw yourself into the task at hand, and you might reverse your fate.

[Porkens]

As fun as it is being obstinate, I will clarify.

Drealmerz wrote that we should not out our townreads because doing so helps the scum to chose their kills.

In response, I wrote "does that really work" and then "I townread JM" to satirically paint JM as a target.

----

As for the qucklynch remark, I love a good quicklynch for the "lulz" "yolo" etc. I didn't expect it to happen, but depending on target, I'd have been ok with it.

[Porkens]

I'm leaning lynchbait and hoping the issue resolves itself. But that's a-ok

[Porkens]

Luv, in the past you may have been a rebel, but now you are taking responsibility. Your future holds family wealth. Be wary of false charity. Your opportunity springs forth from conflict and strife, so seek these out.

This is the first reading that I’m strongly suspecting belongs to scum.

[Porkens]

Yes sorry I was in a bit of a time crunch

[Porkens]

I’ll take what I can get

[Porkens]

Jabarkas Mayonnaise,

Past: 10 of diamonds. You have had the backing of familial security. You have been taken care of by your family, or perhaps by an organization...

Present: 7 of spades. You are presently embroiled in deception. Perhaps you are the deceiver, or not. It may simply be a mystery that you are trying to solve.

Future: king of clubs. Another sign of family business, of which the leader has some conn3ction with you. Perhaps the fate of your group will rest on your shoulders, needing to be carried.

Warning: ace of spades, reversed. Clinging to old ideas or falling for a novel strategy is risky. Make sure new 9deas are sound before taking them up.

Opportunity: 3 of diamonds, reversed. Teamwork, but not necessarily collaborative. Think sticks and carrots. You may have to take charge to win success.

[Porkens]

V, you'd have to answer that question for yourself, I just read what the cards say! I will say I was focusing on your posts while i mixed the cards. and you are welcome

[Porkens]

Acid is the only real lurker here. Everyone else has given at least something to read. I'd rather replace him than kill him, but he's a chronic flake.

[Porkens]

TPFKAP thinks she knows two scrum already, but she replaced out so I'm not letting her say it.

[Porkens]

it's varsoon and that noavi!

[Porkens]

It just says "Image" ??

[Porkens]

nancy, do you like board games?

[Porkens]

"if you had to pick exactly one player in the same group to prevent from dying for the rest of the game and if they're mafia you die, who and why?"

this reminded me of something.

sometimes my arms bend back

[Porkens]

Acid, have you played other games with Varsoon?

[Porkens]

Ok, then what do you think of the nancy/Dreal interaction?

[Porkens]

Varsoon,

Are your posts usually this formal and verbose?

[Porkens]

V, what's the correlation?

Dunk, I love it! Makes us all seem more sophisticated.

[Porkens]

Why LUV over drealmer?

While drealmerz' initial "guess I rolled town, hahaha, must be a curse, wish I was scum, lol, too bad I am town" schtick had me rolling my eyes, the tone of his play reminds me a lot of previous games I've been in where he ended up as town.

Little Uzi, however, despite being among the top posters, has very little content and has actively been disengaging without giving a ton of reason why.

Hmm yes. I agree. High volume of unnecessary posts, the only person to deny all questions, does care greatly about motivation, but does not want to ask nancy why they asked the questions, quite a bit general theory talk, and only one read.

Acid

nancy on general tonal things from a cursory iso skim

dreal also for tonal things but with actual specifics
the Nancy dayvig stunt and how he did it / talked with Nancy after is imo villagery, the "don't say your townreads" is probably only said in context like that from a villager, and same for how he handled rqs discussion w luv

These tonal things mentioned warrant more explanations. Detailed explanations.

This seems forced and disingenuous and a touch hypocritical.


Dunk, lil bit

[Porkens]

porkens what if I told you that I somehow didnt consciously recognize the fact that I had to read people and make posts until you posted the lurker comment

I don't know; that would be a strange thing to tell me.

[Porkens]

Since the thread has exploded...
Porkens:71 Townread and no explanation? Give one. Now.
85 Explain that post. What made you do it? Why did you post that?
Dunker:51Explain your townreads right now. Given what I know about the accuracy of your reads and your playstyle: It is usually anti-town regardless of alignment and your reads are wildly inaccurate. So why are they locktown to you?
drealmerz7:You have a strong scumread on Nancy. Explain that scumread as soon as possible. You had a fake dayvig.
I also notice you have a high number of useless posts

that unneccessarily drive the post count up

. Fix that.
Jabarkas Mayonnaise:10 Explain yourself: Was that a townread or a joke?
Jarbakas Mayonaise has a high number of posts talking about theory and player setup. Literally nothing else! That is highly suspicious. Really. No investment into real scumhunting.
Acid:Not enough info yet.
Nancy: Why are you asking these questions? I have not seen the answer yet. Answer that question now!
LUV: You don't care about motivation? What??? That is highly suspicious.
Yeti: I like your posts so far.

Based on that, my two top scumreads are Jabarkas Mayonnaise and LUV. However, before I vote I'd like to see some answers to my questions. If I don't get any answers my reads will not change favourably.

Hey game:
Can anyone convince me that this is a town post?

[Porkens]

I was trying not to feed the rolefisher, if that's what it was.

[Porkens]

Keychain, how did transcend know you were scrum in dinner party?

[Porkens]

I don't think it's a competent townpost

unfortunately, that descriptor does not bar it from looking like what (to my memory) nks play looks like

What do you find incompetent about it?

[Porkens]

Yeah he siteflaked immediately after that game think he was really busy with school from what I recall him saying.

Keychain, how did transcend know you were scrum in dinner party?

Spoiler: Donner quotes

K but for once can town not lynch the lynchbait on d1 and actually lynch the Mafia

Doggo, pretend I'm not a 5th level player and explain your keychain scumread?

VOTE: Assemblerotws

Naked votes are ehhhh.

I know as much as you do. Something about my first post was a scumclaim to him. Tone maybe?
I don't know why he was so incredibly certain, if that's what you're asking.

What made you change your mind from 193? It seems a lot like you're trying to gauge interest in someone you said you were leaning lynchbait on. NK15 doesn't seem to me like they're going to bleed town.


-Key

I was rereading and got to that post and was again struck by its outstanding scumminess. No one else has commented on it, so I'm asking what y'all think about it directly. Are you all really ok with it? It screams scrum to me.

He has also posted since the lynchbait comment with no change in hue.

However, the majority of his wroth is pointed at me, so I'm going to bias against him. So far, only acid has given a response and it was confusing and milquetoast.

acid

can you please link your experience with not known?

[Porkens]

bye uzi

[Porkens]

@porkens the fact that he cares infinitely more about whether people are read-explainy than things that are actually significantly more likely to make people one alignment than the other

partially biased because of having prior games with him and knowing he essentially mostly just sticks to that

Could you link that experience please?

Also, why does the above make him incompetent town rather than incompetent scrum?

[Porkens]

Porkens, what does it remind you of?

cabd's gambit in board games, I thought you spectated that?

[Porkens]

@porkens the fact that he cares infinitely more about whether people are read-explainy than things that are actually significantly more likely to make people one alignment than the other

partially biased because of having prior games with him and knowing he essentially mostly just sticks to that

Could you link that experience please?

Also, why does the above make him incompetent town rather than incompetent scrum?

While I definitely do not care

Why don't you care? I'm asking why he is townreading you and not scumreading you. If you drop the adjective, I'm asking him "why are you townreading him?" Isn't that exactly the kind of explanation you've been so adamant about getting out of people?

Porkens, I am not seeing "outstanding scuminess" there. That post does have one useless comment about siteflak, and you leaning lynchbait says leaning, not "is lynchbait", that's something else. But that could be a misunderstanding?

Like I wrote before, that post was forced. It seemed to me you felt pressure to post, and that you were reaching to say "anything" about each player. I've felt that kind of pressure more as scum than as town.

Secondly, there is at least one player who you give a total pass: "I like your posts so far", but you don't explain why.

Thirdly, your commanding/imperative tone rings false to me.

[Porkens]

readschart incoming.

[Porkens]

nancy

Jabarkas Mayonnaise (hydra of Varsoon and Xaio Long)

Yetichain (hydra of Keychain and Yeticrab)
drealmerz7

Not Known 15
dunkerdoodles
acidphoenix
Lil Uzi Vert

[Porkens]

Ohhh interesting

[Porkens]

Not a ton...

nancy is playing pretty close to the vest, but she's digging and looking at stuff.

Jabarkas Mayonnaise (hydra of Varsoon and Xaio Long) is wierding me out because he hasn't played as he usually has in my experience.

Yetichain (hydra of Keychain and Yeticrab) is being her friendly cheerful self, but I've only ever seen her as scum soooooooooo
drealmerz7 was super active out of the gate but then dried up and has promised to catch up later. (I know he is busy and stuff)

Not Known 15 is going hawrd but it seems like scattershot and meant to give a certain impression.
dunkerdoodles is dunkerdoodling around
acidphoenix is not really doing much other than answering questions directed at him
Lil Uzi Vert lurked, argued about theory, and replaced out

I'm reading fortunes, and no one has jumped down my throat about it (even Varsoon), so...victory?

[Porkens]

I did a reading for keychain and lost it. BLARG

[Porkens]

It's inscrutable.

But,

Here, again, you pick one crumb to focus on when there is a whole loaf of communication to talk about.

[Porkens]

There have been pages since your last post. Those 4 words are the only ones that were worthy of your attention?

[Porkens]

Dunkers is almost all filler and hopalong. His vote on you seemed opportunistic to me.

I don't trust him.

[Porkens]

Varsoon is posting differently. I think it's weird. Nevertheless, i Townsend him. I have a lot of bias about him, so that's my confusion.

[Porkens]

Fair enough.
You think Uzi over acid?

Acids posts have been worser in average I think.

[Porkens]

whats goin on ?

[Porkens]

I'm so horribly biased about NSG though I really need someone else to read her for me.

[Porkens]

she's been super town in every game that she\s been town with me, thats all.

she hasnt posted enough to get a read off of for me.

but if eel like im gunna townread her if she posts the same way she has previous.

Dunkers... I know its a crap read. hes.....................................likely town?

like I dunno, im clueless

[Porkens]

drealmerz7 went head to head with nancy. I don't know about how to read him, but my impression was ......... null. haha.

nancy seems the same as drealmerz. I have no clue. sorry.

Jabarkas Mayonnaise (hydra of Varsoon and Xaio Long) uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cant read. so much babbling about tech and start, scumhunting? naw. cant say as he has.

Yetichain (hydra of Keychain and Yeticrab) so middle of the road. dunno how to read. grrr.


acidphoenix scummier than usual. lurkier than usual. not saying stuff with posts.

dunkerdoodles about the same as last game i played with. was town there. dunno

Not Known 15 so far up my ass im super biased. dude, seriously. whatever.

northsidegal Lil Uzi Vert uhhhhhhhhhh dunno but maybe scum? maybe not, but maye.

[Porkens]

I'm not locktowning her or anything, im expectin more analytical posts coming forth for sure.

nancy, are you town?

[Porkens]

Yetichan,

I'm fine, thanks for asking though

On Northsidegal, I really admire how she plays. I get good vibes from her posts. So far, she's been town in games with me, but part of me is just waiting to get fooled. This worry clouds my judgment.

On Jabarkas, it's half Varsoon. We had beef recently when he jumped at me/used my play style as reasons to try to lynch me in two previous games, it got heated. We are cool now, but these coherent paragraphs are a far cry from the insults and bad attitude I've experienced from him previous. So I'm emotionally glad that we aren't fighting any more. On the other hand, it's such a departure that I don't know how to deal with it. So wispy washy on my part, I know.

On trashing my reads, yeah Ill accept that interpretation. I don't feel like I have good reads on this game. So I just have to throw ideas around till something feels righter.

NK and Acid still give me scum vibes the most. I may have bias against NK though as I said before.

I do want to have a post from NSG, but my best vote right now would be on Acid.

[Porkens]

Day's young.

[Porkens]

Not good enough Acid!

VOTE: Acid

[Porkens]

i promise i'll have more to say later, by the way, when i get the time.

viewtopic.php?p=9802614#p9802614

content tonight or tomorrow hopefully; sorry for lack thereof so far

One of these is scum.

[Porkens]

Like, holy shit, am I the only motherfucker in this game who knows how to play mafia and actually wants to play this game? Because every one of you chumps is dialing in the most lackluster performance possible.

-V

theeere he is

[Porkens]

How about a 250 word minimum content post or else get lynched?

[Porkens]

Key, all I'm saying is that my read on JM may be crap (whatever they may be) because of my conflicted feelings toward varsoon. I'm not trying to turn that in and of itself into any kind of read.

NSG are you saying that you aren't posting because he threatened you?

pEdit: I'm literally standing in front of the pickles in a grocery store.

[Porkens]

also i didn't post this yet apparently so

i'm realizing based on that post i probably don't actually need to reskim

if you have a vested interest in being a. alive and b. chatting please make this clear to me, preferably without making it clear to the mafia(although i don't think this matters too much, it is still ideal)

I'm sort of here, what does part a mean exactly?

[Porkens]

I'm having a real hard time parsing that. What are you saying ?

[Porkens]

Are you sorting a protective role right now?

[Porkens]

Why claim right now?

[Porkens]

Huh. Okedokey.

So Has your stance on nk15 changed at all?

[Porkens]

well um
i feel like nk15 is scum and that's where my vote is right now because his posts seem fabricated and kinda idk, sketchy? i don't like his posts

porkens's posts are genuine and town

nancy has been kind of lurky contributing, like i feel she is posting, but not really doing anything while town fights eachother

i find both sides of you and north's discussion towny

I'll go in on a mutual town read here.

[Porkens]

porkens can you confirm / deny whether my feelings that this looks similarish to viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73478&user_select[]=30477 for nk15 are valid

i haven't actually done real analysis just "from memory it feels like previous with him"

no dunkers read two posts down from the one with the redacted post; it's me flipping your readslist except i colored in the readslist since the game's over

Looks like a scummy reflection of his town game. Too much aggression in this version

[Porkens]

Smooth scum game!

He is much scummily here

[Porkens]

It could be both is kinda the cherry on top for me.

[Porkens]

I did follow up, didn't I? he asked about stuff and I said about stuff.

It felt like pages in my brain, but obv I was wrong.

VOTE: nsg

[Porkens]

Yeah probably. I decided I want to lynch acid tho because his claim was desperate. And I think his other power is maf

VOTE: acidpheonix

[Porkens]

Your post did nothing to induce me to action

[Porkens]

I'm going to offer this alternative:

VOTE: Jabarkas Mayonnaise

Reason: Masterminding.

Evidence: Every post.

Theory: Scum trying to use his cache to lynch easy newbs.

Full disclosure:

redacted

[Porkens]

Aight then.
Nevermind that most the players in this game have 2017 joindates, homie.
Or that I'm trying to actually figure shit out rather than just making easy newb-lynch pushes.
But ayy fuck me, right?

-V

Like, if you're going to jump on my back and give me shit for fucking playing the game and accuse me of masterminding or some dumb bullshit like that when, otherwise, no one was really fucking playing the game, fuck you.
Seriously, legitimately, fuck you.
Fuck anyone who thinks it's alignment-indicative to want to play the fucking game of mafia.
Keep that shit up and I'm just going to replace out or some shit, I can't handle that kind of backwards bullshit.

-V

Well that was over the top.

[Porkens]

Anyway, trust me. ride it out.

[Porkens]

everything

[Porkens]

UNVOTE:

unvote format fixed for the vote counter ~f

[Porkens]

I have no clue what's what

[Porkens]

Here's a thing.

Some folks said that they "got their first choice" for pick. I got an amalgam of my 3 choices. Although, I picked 3 that I felt meant somethign together, and FF may have picked up on that and done my role accordingly?

I'm sorry if I irritated you JM. It wasn't my intention to cause you stress. I wanted to see if anyone would hop on.

I have to say I think the scum are doing a decent job of blending in, but I'm forgiving a couple of lackluster posters because I've seen them lackluster post in previous games.

I think that NK's agression was forced. And I do believe that is scum.

VOTE: Not KNown 15

[Porkens]

Acid is spectacularly vacant posting, it has absolutely no edge to my mind.

I'd be happy to lynch him first.

[Porkens]

I'm ok with lynching:

NK 15 - doesnt give me any townvibes.

NSG - hasn't impressed since replacing in, sorry - I suspect you are feeling less able to pontificate because yer scum

Drealmerz - You seem like you're coasting off since RVS.

Acid - I don't share yeti's townread of acid.

[Porkens]

I've seen her go on and on (and on) way more than this as town. This is basically lurking for her.

[Porkens]

Have you played other games with her during December?
Tons of activity has been lower on-site because of the holiday season.
Regardless, I think meta used in that way is less indicative of alignment than people act like it is. Activity can fluctuate wildly from game to game based on personal circumstance.

-V

I don't remember.

Ok.

[Porkens]

What about a dreal wagon then?

[Porkens]

VOTE: drealmerz[/]

[Porkens]

Actually,

VOTE: nancy

[Porkens]

Hmmm wait.

VOTE: drealmerz

Yeah

[Porkens]

unvote

I suck, i don't have a clue.

IM REALLU BAD AT TGIS GAME.

[Porkens]

I don’t. Like I said, I’m clueless. I can’t get reads this game that are worth a shit. Maybe after a day? But not now. I suck, that is all.

[Porkens]

I was just trying to stir the pot.

My reads were shit in dreals game too.

I just get lucky sometimes, but I’m terrible at this game.

This one in particular, I don’t have any good reads, I just second guess myself to death and am swayed by other people.

I guess I have a crippling fear of being wrong.

Like, I would lynch nk but that’s because he was aggressive toward me. I don’t like him, but I don’t know if that’s scummy or not.

Acid is lurking way harder than usual and his posts are kinda unintelligible so is that scummy? I dunno.

Nancy, I’ve been looking forward to playing with you and dreal, so I don’t want to push your lynch, but I’m afraid that’s ruining my chances of scumreading either of you, even though I could see either or both of you as scum based on that rvs banter.

Like how do you find scum day 1? Unless someone is just too afraid to contribute, and follow along without producing new things, i can’t pick anyone out of the group.

Varsoon is playing different than I’ve seen him, I dunno if that makes him scum or if it’s really what says about being jm right now.

Uzi replaced out when he was getting scumread. I think that’s scummy as fuck, but others don’t think so maybe I’m wrong?

Nsg is busy, I know that, but he posts aren’t as sweeping and analyzing imo as they were at newb game we played or that one I replaced into and fucked up.

Yeti chain would be third time scum in a row in this game with me? That seems pretty unlikely. I don’t know how to read her though she seems fine this game?

Dunker is kinda lurking by comparison, but he has taken stands and given reads and doesn’t seem like he needs to be lynched right away or anything.

[Porkens]

Also varsoon is expounding on shit that doesn’t really seem important to me, so I just kinda glaze over his posts.

[Porkens]

Interaction between you and D seemed fishy. Dunno which side but it seemed to get too real for the day vig moment.

Just confusion. I was reflecting on the game from the beginning and that’s the only event that really stands out to me.

Reasoning day 1 seems fuzzy when I read it. I don’t know if anything makes sense I have no way to judge.

Here look

[Porkens]

My hottake (which clearly is not very hot) was that Varsoon is scum. It was a couple of people mentioning they didn't feel comfortable with his tone that prompted me to reconsider that side of it a little more and I think there's a decent point to be made about the way that he fluctuates between a very reasonable and understanding tone to a very hostile and upset one between posts and sometimes even in the same post.

Ok, maybe, but you just said it was a couple other people who prompted this thought. Like, that’s a scum strategy? No? To look at what other people think and try to gin that up in to a wagon?

I don't necessarily think his frustration was faked, he would very probably have felt frustrated about being scumread there as either alignment and as scum would know he needed to push the gamestate away from that; I think the way his frustration was expressed and the focus of his energy around that makes more sense if he's mafia.

”the way it was expressed and the focus around it” doesn’t mean anything to me. Maybe you are right and the way he wrote is indicative of scum thinking, but I don’t understand how or why.

I think a clearer indicator of his alignment here is the way that a lot of his posts contain a bunch of ~words~ that seem very much oriented towards inciting fear and towards appearing town and not much else. Especially in his lengthiest exchanges there's not a real sense that he's trying to get a better read on other players so much as overwhelm them. As a contrast you have his treatment of northsidegal which mostly looks like him going out of his way to townread her, there's some weird progression there but 486->488 in particular just looks like him walking through the necessary steps to arrive at a townread.

i kinda get this, but again it’s all “seems like” and wouldn’t that mean they are scum together? Is it that easy to peg a team?

Cautiously confident in that read so if anyone townreads Varsoon I'd like to hear why they think so and why they disagree with the reasoning put forwards so far on him being scum. There's more to my own read there that I haven't covered but the main meat of it has already been talked about. Find myself agreeing with a lot of what Yetichain says in 510.

it just seems vague, you say tons of words but then point to yeti’s post without really explaining what you like and don’t.

My scumread on northsidegal has also grown, think the way that her engagement with her Varsoon scumread has dropped off significantly doesn't make a lot of sense if she's town here but makes a lot of sense if she's partners with Varsoon and had only intended on distancing with him early before pulling back. Not seeing much in the way of ~thoughts~ from her so much as justifications for stances and things like saying "i don't see a better place for it to be" wrt her Varsoon vote are very difficult to understand if she's town talking to a scumread but fits pretty comfortably with her giving excuses to a scumpartner for why she's not following his push on a townie.

is that a scum plan? Aggrieved then distance? It’s not just felt with at the moment? Wouldn’t a plan like that risk coming across as contrived?

Going to hold off on voting until we're a little closer to deadline and have a bit more content to work with.

why not vote? I don’t get it.

[Porkens]

I can't post on buses, I get motion sickness, you're lucky you got what you did. I prefer to be thorough rather than posting off the cuff, because that's when my reads get really bad. I've already said this. I don't know why you'd expect otherwise.

this kind of information does nothing for me, and my reaction internally is “ugh so what why address it?”

And no, I don't think I'm going to just dismiss my scumread on you just because you threw an absolute hissy and claimed you were somehow being persecuted for "playing the game". That was after... two votes on you? You signed up to a micro with two week deadlines, my friend. It sounds like the level of activity you want would be more blitz-style, but hey that's not really my interest here. I don't have a great sense of game momentum, and the idea that you'd think it has relevance on my pushes at this point is kind of perplexing to me anyway.

i don’t get the main point of this paragraph. It criticizes the poster, and then turns into I don’t know why you think I think you’d think kinda stuff

I'll search for Key* and Yeti* and see if I catch all the questions for me, and then I'll go through your ISO to explain my scumread on you so you can stop spinning it in such bizarre ways (though I'll accept some of the blame for that - I should have caught those misconceptions as they arose and not let them fester for so long), and then I'll get the sleep I really need because I'm running on empty. How is that?

paragraphs like this seem like filler to me. why all the exposition? Why not just do it? What is the objective of this paragraph

Okay, first, questions. The only thing addressed to me since my last post appears to be your own 390. It sounded like there would be more from the way you put it, did I miss something you wanted me to respond to?

@Yetichain: I don't see that the meaning is changed significantly, just your interpretation of it which, hey, that's the point of elaboration, is it not?
I don't know why Xiao's posted all of, like, one or two times, though he's not nearly as vocal a player as I am. I can give him a bit of a shakeup and tell him to engage with the game if you want, but, y'know, I'm here now, so why even deflect like that to my hydra partner. In fact, why even say something like, "Is your hydra buddy around? Are they half as scummy as you?"

Also, you're literally fucking wrong about the 'raging about the gamestate' bullshit that you're putting out, because it's very obvious within just the last two pages, based on my actions and the reactions of others, that the game state HAS changed dramatically. So, y'know, maybe don't literally deny the reality of the situation in order to spout a platitude to defend a vote you have and give platform to the replace-in who's parroting you and yes-manning your wagon.

-V

No, the point of me asking you to elaborate is because I thought the approach you were coming from was wonky and rather than you going "oh yes this is why I think the way I do" and either reaffirming it or visibly changing your mind, you appeared to retcon it to something more reasonable. Sketchy.

im not sure what this refers to

Secondly, I enjoy playing in hydras and I find the dynamics really interesting, which was why I asked after your partner. Plus I've not played with him before and I do like meeting new players. I did note he voiced a townread on me in 452 and you voted me despite that in 488, but I've no idea if it's AI for you two.

what does this have to do with scumreading jm?

Re: raging about the gamestate bullshit... wow. That fury, isn't it just so warm and friendly and very like someone who is hunting for scum and not completely flipping out at getting scumread? Yeah I didn't think so either That said, it's not always AI, sometimes townies get their counterproductive rage on. So I'll look at the pages you were referring to because there's nothing like a bit of evidence to clear this kind of thing up.

thats scummy (sarcastically) followed by “that’s not scummy”

Okay. So it seems the activity pg14 was Porkens and NK15, then things went quiet. The thing is that every single one of your posts around here is super amiable, including the ones where I was trying to prompt you into something by asking questions. It was weird to me and kind of like I was sliding off glass so I might have made a bit of a more antagonistic comment to see if I could goad you into something.

Your 370 was instep with Porkens's 368. And this is where I mean you're going after lurkers instead of engaging any of the perfectly nice players already hanging around. Lurker pressure is such an easy way to look town - after all, you're "generating content"! But in reality you've already passed up opportunities to engage, and you're zeroing in on a place where you're least likely to get anything.

this is an old old argument and I’m sick of it, frankly. Lurkers should be shot. Also, why does it get v townready? Because it’s pro Town? I don’t get the “you are just doing it because it’s a towny thing to do” argument

You say in 375 that you're doing it because you don't have any way to read Acid without content. Fair. But that presumes you already had a read on all the more active players - otherwise, why weren't you focusing on

them

? It looked like you were waiting for a more easy push, and Porkens paved the way.

Then 376... I hate buzzwords so I'll avoid the one I want to use here but you use your push on a lurker to put yourself on a pedestal instead of

engaging the flaming active players.

im just not sure what kind of focus you are looking for here. How much can people talk about? There needs to be stuff to talk about. What did you think he should have been talking about at the time?

You do like a complete 180 in tone and it's bizarre. You go from pleasant and not making waves to suddenly thrashing about all over the place. You're not making anything happen. North votes you shortly after and you continue this rage. Not much of note happens between that and the question you directed to me - in particular, a lack of any content from Acid which is where you were pushing - where you claim credit for things happening in the earlier pages despite the fact that your raging had actually appeared that very page. The only thing that happened was North voting you.

but you already said this is not a sure fire scum tell, so why bring it up again?

So in summary... you appear to be literally denying the reality of the situation to discredit scumreads on you, and if you disagree I'd rather you provide evidence instead of more of whatever this was. And don't get your knickers in a twist over me approving of a vote on my scumread, like what game are you playing mate? This is mafia and I want my scumreads lynched or at least under pressure, not lightly jostled. I need to take a closer look at North because I think as scum she'd absolutely follow my push on replace in, but those are separate things. In the meantime, why don't you scumhunt instead of focusing on scrapping with players scumreading you?

what does “taking a closer look at” mean?

Oh it seems I condensed most of my explanation of my scumread of you into my answer to your question. That's probably good, I've probably written enough words for now. I've got more stuff to say and do in this game tomorrow, I need to get a better picture of the whole table before I go any further with this scumread. I'm feeling energetic. Isn't that nice?

i dunno what your reasons are beyond “varsoon raged when he got voted and he’s trying to push lurkers

[Porkens]

I'm hesitant to go into liftoff and make any real judgment calls on anyone until we've got everyone present, accounted for, and playing. I feel as though the rather vocal amount of players we've got here right now are more likely town than not and that clever scum would just lurk out for awhile and allow bad blood to brew between the talkers, then swipe in when wagons begin, if that makes sense.

-V

Dunkerdoodles would be my kill--the quick townreads on Porkens and Drealmerz look like posturing more than informed-from-thread decision making.

I'm saying that clever scum would lurk because that's what clever scum do on this site nowadays. In a situation where vocal players are only really engaging with vocal players, the people who skirt around that, regardless of alignment, tend to survive longer.
I don't think we need to quiet louder voices. I'm obviously still posting and engaging with you. I'm suggesting we generate more content from everyone in the game, if possible, because it makes it easier to actually read everyone in the game.
Well-played lurk-scum step out of lurking in order to wagon town, though I have seen games with extremely low town activity and scum playing purposefully to keep that activity low so that every lynch was a deadline lynch. It's not a fun way to play the game, imo.

Games will always have more vocal players, but this game is 9 pages in with less than a third of the players contributing half the pages. When I say that I'd like to hear more voices and I'd like to resign really putting down hard reads until I do, it's because I feel like I don't have a full picture of the game and if I engage with what I do have, then my focus is limited and that there's a real possibility it may be limited in a way that scum are influencing.

P-EDIT:
I don't think I can win this game all on my own, but also, I probably should take the reading to apply to life, too. So both!

-V

I'd protect Porkens and shoot either LUV or Drealmerz. Probably LUV at this point.
I don't know that there are definitive points I could give you for 'what is enough', but definitely by D2 with flips to look at, everyone's equally worth going after in my eyes. My hesitance/caution was solely from an early D1 situation, especially as mod who's modded several games with the longest D1's in the history of the site.

-V

V, what's the correlation?

Dunk, I love it! Makes us all seem more sophisticated.

Nancy's droppin a lotta words on me, so I gotta do it back in kind.

@Yetichain:

Why does being guarded make you think porkens is scum, though? Where's the scum motivation to be guarded there?

Time to put my money where my mouth is.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

-V

I think he started out scummy by talking about things that didn’t matter but his later day reactions have been Town enough.

[Porkens]

Ugh those quotes don’t belong in there

[Porkens]

My frustration at being voted for playing the game came specifically as a response from Porkens' vote on me, the third vote on me, which put me at L-2, and, as far as I was aware, was a vote on me for simply playing the game.
The fact that you're claiming you are being thorough, yet missed BOTH the amount of votes on me as wells as what my argument was in response to, and the fact that you're calling it a 'hissy fit' already tells me that you're beginning this wall from a place of uninformed bias.

ok, but why uninformed bias rather than agenda to frame

As of that post 375, I did already have fairly informed reads on the active players. That should have been fairly obvious by my posts, as well. I'd softed townreads on Porkens, Drealmerz, and Nancy at the very least, while expressing scumreads on you, Acid, and Northsidegal/LUV. The only players I hadn't outright sorted one way or another by that time were NK15 and Dunkerdoodles, who you'd see I interacted/engaged with later and have since come to an informed read on. You continuing to wagon me for what you say is "pass(ing) up opportunities to engage, and zeroing in on a place where you're least likely to get anything" is very obviously untrue, even as of post 370, but definitely as of now. Were you not aware of my reads being this informed? How could you not be given how outspoken I am? Is it not clear that I've been engaging with these other slots since then, and have come to fruitful conclusions about them based on our interactions/their posting? Why are you continuing to press this envelope of Jabarkas not focusing on other, active players and instead pushing an 'easy push'? Why do you consider my push against Acid (or even NSG) as 'easy' pushes, when neither of them were made with full intent to lynch, and instead were largely for pressure because those players were ones playing in a way I didn't understand and couldn't determine alignment from?

makes sense

I don't appreciate your projection to me of 'denying reality' and using the word 'literally', both of which are things that apply to my criticism of your slot and are very evident in my posts. For evidence, the words 'reality' and 'reality' both show up in my ISO 7 times, with 'literally' being used four whole times between posts 390 and 394 and the phrase 'denying the reality of the situation' used as a phrase only when I am talking about Yetichain in posts 390 and 426. It's evident that post 390 must have struck a chord with you, not just because you directly quote it in your 'casing' against me that looks to be more information than analysis, but given your response, as I have proven here, is untrue, but also is filled with discrediting phrases such as "you're lucky you got what you did," "just because you threw an absolute hissy and claimed you were somehow being persecuted," "raging about the gamestate bullshit," "You're not making anything happen," "don't get your knickers in a twist," and so on. It feels as though you're coming from a place of frustration and inability to understand/dismissal of my play, but I don't see very many questions from you trying to figure out why I might be playing like this. If anyone's not scumhunting, it may be you. Where's your engagement with the other players? Why tunnel me like this? Why not ask me questions to try to come to a more informed read instead of just outright damning me in the ways you have?

yep

I find it a bit strange, because it seems that people who have voted me are either of the Yetichain/NSG camp of "You're not making anything happen" (despite evidence to the contrary) or of the Porken's camp of claiming that I am "mastermining." To further highlight the awkwardness of the pushes I see on me, Yetichain, you yourself even ask here, "In the meantime, why don't you scumhunt instead of focusing on scrapping with players scumreading you?" And, yet, you're scumreading me for scumhunting outside of those people when I was voting and engaging with Acidphoenix. I think it's perfectly valid to raise concerns about people voting for me, because I have information that they are voting for town. If you're a cop with an inno on someone, wouldn't you also suspect people who vote for your innocent, especially when the logic they're using to back up their votes doesn't seem sound or town-motivated?

yep

And the criticism that I'm expecting the activity of a blitz? When I begin to complain around 376 about it, that's only 376 posts within over 5 days of the game being open. A minitheme that I just joined on-site is currently about to hit that many posts in just two days. But since that's ongoing, I'm more at leisure to talk about games I've just finished. Maplewood Village (an unfair comparison, perhaps, due to being a larger game) was at 1500 posts around 5 days in. Paint Mafia Mania was at over 600 posts around 5 days in. But let's actually look at a Blitz that I clearly have experience with--the only Blitz I've been a part of within over a year's time (probably the only Blitz I've been a part of on this site, ever)--the game that I ran, Protomen Mafia. At 5 days in, we had a lynch already (obviously) and were at over 1500 posts.
So, no, I'm clearly not expecting the 'activity' of a blitz. I'm just expecting what is normal on-site levels of activity. Moreover, my criticism is far less about activity, and far more about the generation of content, something that a lot of players in this game, even the active ones, seem to still be struggling with.

yep

I appreciate you taking the time to parse out more of what's informing your scumread on me, as well as using tags to direct to posts and so on, but I still believe that you're coming from a scum point of view and floundering on giving reasonable rationale for voting for me. The way that you've conducted yourself, especially in post 510, strikes me as projecting, reaching, insisting on untrue things, discrediting, and, overall, as a failure to take the time to actually engage with my slot rather than damn me for playing in a way that's incomprehensible to you. That, coupled with your intense focus on me independent of everything else happening in the game, makes me feel as though you're more likely to be scum than not. I don't see how a town player sees a player playing in a frustrated, 'thrashing', 180-turning manner and votes that player without trying to at least ask several questions to come to some sort of informed understanding of why that player is acting in the way they are. I don't see why a town player would insist on an untrue representation of the game reality in order to continue to justify their vote, rather than admitting the place where they are wrong. I don't see a town player making use of this much discrediting rhetoric when casing a scumread. As for the IIoA (information-instead-of-analysis) and projecting stuff, that's largely NAI (not alignment indicative) to me, but coupled with the rest of it, I could see how scum, who's now caught a vote and been called out on exactly what they were doing, would react in that way when tipped off balance.

uhh, yeah ok

So, for now, I'll continue to vote you, because I don't understand where you're coming from and how you can continue this wagon on me given the gamestate.
I'll still answer other people's questions and be engaging with others; don't take this as some death-tunnel, but, rather, that you're my most informed scumread at the moment.
If you actually have questions for me, feel free to ask them, but I'd like you to address at least some of the concerns I raise in this post.

huh, reading is tech

VOTE: yetichain

[Porkens]

Nk, do you Townsend both jm and yetichain?

nancy, same question.

Acid, dreal, wtf

[Porkens]

VOTE: Jabarkas Mayonnaise

You have 5 minutes to lolhammer.

[Porkens]

VOTE: Northsidegal

The gutread is real.

[Porkens]

You know what you need? You need to slit a throat!

just vote and it can all be over.

trust me

[Porkens]

My friend I hear what you're saying and I can tell that your frustration is real. I propose that tomorrow we will have the fine wine dinner that you have described but to get there we need to overcome this initial extensive pregame. Think of this as the Invitational round where we decide with whom we choose to dine. In addition I suspect that although you said you don't want to run around slitting throats once you have that first gush of warm blood running down your fingers and feel that sticky sweet Rush of adrenaline you'll come around. All this and more could be yours all you have to do is reach out and pick up the knife. Whatever you decide my friend.

[Porkens]

VOTE: unvote
I'm kinda doen with this game for a while.

[Porkens]

VOTE: not known 15

Please this first.

[Porkens]

jesus posting here feels hard and I don't know why

I don't want to vote dreal yeti porkens dunkers Nancy in roughly that order

I don't have strong feelings anywhere between nsg / nk / jabarkus

VOTE: not known 15

VOTE: not known 15

Please this first.

VOTE: nk15
oops

This is the towncore.

[Porkens]

maybe if you lynch nk15 with me and the other townbros

[Porkens]

You should have listened earlier, now he's out of control

[Porkens]

I was just trying to stir the pot.

My reads were shit in dreals game too.

I just get lucky sometimes, but I’m terrible at this game.

This one in particular, I don’t have any good reads, I just second guess myself to death and am swayed by other people.

I guess I have a crippling fear of being wrong.

Like, I would lynch nk but that’s because he was aggressive toward me. I don’t like him, but I don’t know if that’s scummy or not.

Acid is lurking way harder than usual and his posts are kinda unintelligible so is that scummy? I dunno.

Nancy, I’ve been looking forward to playing with you and dreal, so I don’t want to push your lynch, but I’m afraid that’s ruining my chances of scumreading either of you, even though I could see either or both of you as scum based on that rvs banter.

Like how do you find scum day 1? Unless someone is just too afraid to contribute, and follow along without producing new things, i can’t pick anyone out of the group.

Varsoon is playing different than I’ve seen him, I dunno if that makes him scum or if it’s really what says about being jm right now.

Uzi replaced out when he was getting scumread. I think that’s scummy as fuck, but others don’t think so maybe I’m wrong?

Nsg is busy, I know that, but he posts aren’t as sweeping and analyzing imo as they were at newb game we played or that one I replaced into and fucked up.

Yeti chain would be third time scum in a row in this game with me? That seems pretty unlikely. I don’t know how to read her though she seems fine this game?

Dunker is kinda lurking by comparison, but he has taken stands and given reads and doesn’t seem like he needs to be lynched right away or anything.

pathetic

[Porkens]

Join the townblock and we join together in blood. Nk's blood.

[Porkens]

2 of you are town.

Both of you get on the n15 wagon and join dis townbloc.

Or...pick a lynch.

[Porkens]

Tsk

[Porkens]

Ok I’ll sheep you.

[Porkens]

I fucking hate getting rolled by lurking mafia

[Porkens]

@Porkens:

Why N15? Didn't he claim a protective role? Do you think that claim honestly comes from scum trying to get someone else lynched via counterclaim? Because, if so, then if acid flips the role they claimed, nothing would stop people from lynching N15 for driving the lynch there.

-V

DID he?

[Porkens]

I fucking hate getting rolled by lurking mafia

aye, no lurkers on D2 onward in a micro, and there shouldn't be any in D1 in a micro, but there are, so, with that, gotta make smart moves

Sure

[Porkens]

VOTE: Acidphoenix
I want your full roleclaim. Now.

They claimed a neighbourizing and a protective role. That looks strange to me because of what

my

role is. A bit too close, perhaps. Depends on what they really are.

That’s not claiming a protective role NOR is any of that a “counterclaim” in a closed setup. Easy to wiggle out of the reprocussions if it got acid lynched.

Furthermore, town would, I hope, not cc there anyway, all that’s done is out yourself as a relevant pr.

So no that doesn’t give me any pause.

Hell, are you saying we lynch acid if n15 flips town because of the same reasons?

[Porkens]

I am aware :þ

that should indicate to you that I don't want to influence your scales

Scummy!

[Porkens]

T_T
Porkens, if you read my exchange with NK15, you'd know those answers already;
1. There's no such thing as a counterclaim in a closed setup, especially role madness.
2. It only makes sense as either play from a town PR legitimately thinking they are validly counterclaiming or from scum attempting a counterclaim that holds no weight because it's a closed setup and D1 anyway so if NK15 is scum doing a CC gambit, they're just going to be lynched the next day
3. I believe they can both be town and be neighborizing protectives.

What makes the NK15 soft-claim there really notable is that I don't think acid claimed anything close to protective--just neighborizer while softing there might be more.

-V

2. How does nk get lynched the next day? Especially considering your 3.
3. Acid softed John Reese “come with me if you if you want to live”, that’s how I read it.

[Porkens]

Yeah ok I get your point.

UNVOTE:

[Porkens]

I could probably vote nancy after that.

[Porkens]

VOTE: nk15

I'm tired of second guy asking myself. This has been scrum since post 1. That's my last vote today.

[Porkens]

Ok let's do yeti then

VOTE: yetichain[/]

Whoops
VOTE: yetichain

Nancy, I'd learn a new way, but I don't know any other

[Porkens]

gfs

VOTE: yetichain

[Porkens]

Northsidegal,

It’s very nice to play with you again


So I was sitting here reading nancy and drealz and I thought “how can I insert myself into that”? Because it seemed like real, actual communication, and I felt a pang of “I could go for some of that”!

Are you playing differently than you did in that newbie? I remember you coming across differently.

Why did you wait so long to hammer in that game I replaced in as scum?

How could I have played that better?

Why are you playing differently?

Is it school? Finals? Or is there more?


-porkens

[Porkens]

D1s need to be shorter

when is anyone going to get the clue?

wgeurts tried that in Evolution mafia (I think it was either 7 or 10 day deadlines) and, as scum in that game, it was basically our strategy to always stall town out to the deadline, where they'd play like shit and lose.
That's not saying it can't be done, but if we assume a reasonable work-week for someone, you have to consider how many 'weekends' you're going to allow and I think 14 days always ensures there's at least a weekend of activity before the end of the deadline hits.

Anyway
I see the whole convo between drealmerz and nancy as town on both ends, especially given how blunt drealmerz is.

-V

VOTE: jabarkus mayonnaise

[Porkens]

UNVOTE:

unvote format fixed for the automatic vote counter - f

I read that just before bed and I remember thinking it was a lot more sinister than it is. My bad carry on

[Porkens]

Yetichain also could just be bad town in this game rather than scum. Need more informations.

Have you already explained somewhere why you think Yetichain is "bad town"?

[Porkens]

hi
why isnt nk15 dead

i will lynch nk15 or jabarkus no one else

...because they outright claimed a protective/neighborizing role in a way that screams town?
Maybe because no one else has really laid out a convincing case otherwise, anyway?


-V

Why do you keep saying that? It was not an outright claim at all.

[Porkens]

I'd compromise outside of Yeti, but that's where I'd really want to lynch.
How do you read NK15's claim as anything but a hard claim of a neighbor/protective?
Dude literally says, "THAT IS KIND OF WHAT MY ROLE IS" as he does what he clearly believes is a counterclaim, which, once he realizes counterclaims aren't a thing in closed setups, he walks back from it.
There's a thousand different ways to rolefish but literally going, "That's my role, though!" and, what's weirder, is specifying the protective part, when acid didn't mention anything about being protective, I just can't read that as anything but town.

But again, outside of all of that role-related conversation, what makes NK15 such a huge candidate for today's lynch?

-V

V, seriously, are you fucking with me? How is "I SUSPECT HIM BECAUSE OF MY ROLE" a "hardclaim" AT ALL?

"kind of" is not part of a hardclaim.

You are weirdly misrepresenting this

[Porkens]

that's not a hardclaim, you can interpret it however you like.

I could lynch Yetichain, for sure.

[Porkens]

Ok I'm gunna do a reading and then cast my vote.

[Porkens]

Our past is the Jack of Diamonds. We have beeen working in many different ways towardds our goals. We, the town,have wanted to shore up our security and so we rre toiling, through work, to do so. We are trying, in earnest, to find those who threaten our security.

Our present is the Nine of Spades (Swords). The nine represents leadership, while the swords represent toughts or conflict. the nine of swords itself represents worry, which may also be attrition in battle. at present, we are suffering from our doubts about leadership. We are fractious and divided.

Our future is the Five of Diamonds, reversed. This card usually represents poverty, but in this case is reversed, which may mean wealth OR a poverty of another kind. Asceticism, perhaps, we will shed something which we think makes us rich but in fact holds us down. Our lynch should will be good, if I'm reading the cards right, whether or not it hits scum.

Our warning is the Queen of Clubs. She is the mother of passion and the motivation for action. She is an artist. She is artistic, and she is dangerous. We should be wary of the artificial. We should be careful not to accept a forgery at its face value. This may be a person in our game who is lying about themselves.

Our fortune is the Four of Diamonds, reversed. To get what we need, we have to let go of something we want to cling to. I drew another card to enhance this reading: Six of Diamonds. Charity - we must give allowances and proceed in good faith and trust.


This is hard.



VOTE: Northsidegal

[Porkens]

VOTE: barbarous mayonase

[Porkens]

They made do it

[Porkens]

What is your flavor Acid?

Interested to hear what Key has.

[Porkens]

Acid, why did you JK Dunkers?

[Porkens]

I'd have to consult the cards. maybe

[Porkens]

My day 1 was so bad, I just read it.

[Porkens]

lol thanks

gnight

[Porkens]

Right now we have two mysteries for us, solving them will be the key to the win.
Mystery 1: Near the end of the deadline, there were wagons on me and Northsidegal.
Suddenly, nancy starts the Jarbakas wagon of Northsidegal and it quickly advances to L-0. And the flip... is SCUM.
The mystery is this: How did that happen? Where was the second scum? Did they hop on the wagon for towncred?
Or did they do something else?

Mystery 2: No kill! Game is at 7-1, the worst possible result for scum. But why?
We already have a claim to that. But we do not know what happened.
Did Acid jailkeep scum? Did they jailkeep the Night Kill target? Did something else stop the kill? Did the mafia attack at all? Is acid scum? We know however, if the Acid claim is true, that Acid was NOT roleblocked or rolestopped. Because both Dunker and Acid claim neighbourizing success.
I do not have the time today to make a full evaluation, and we are waiting for Acid anyways.

squee.

[Porkens]

chomping at the bit.

[Porkens]

WIFOM he give acid a doublevote?

[Porkens]

The only thing that keeps sticking in my craw about NSG/Varsoon interaction was how Varsoon said "ok I have enough reasons to town read you now"

But that might have just been him playing weird as scum

[Porkens]

<3

[Porkens]

didnt varsoon push yeti yesterday tho?

[Porkens]

I still want to lynch NK15.

[Porkens]

Wait, I think I missed something.

Nancy, how did you message Yeti?

[Porkens]

Open question to anyone who wants to answer: if you had one shot of either a Desperado or a Dayvig and had to shoot it right now which shot would you take, who would you shoot with it and why?

This question is a thinly veiled excuse for me to say that I would dayvig drealmerz7

Drealmerz is starting to pulsate like a red orb for me in my 3rd eye.

he's kinda jumping in where i dont expect him?

yeah.

[Porkens]

One that I'm not understanding:

Who is birdpig?

You know what you need? You need to slit a throat!

just vote and it can all be over.

Ok let's do yeti then

VOTE: yetichain[/]

that was me altslipping

[Porkens]

Wait, I think I missed something.

Nancy, how did you message Yeti?

Privately.

How often would you say you answer questions directed at others?

[Porkens]

I do not.

[Porkens]

Who do you think will win this game and why?

[Porkens]

I've played in a few games with acid, and he is a chronic flake. When he posts it's fine, but then it gets like this. I don't remember if I've seen a scum game out of him, I think they were all town so far.

I don't know about his relationship with dunkerdoodles.

I think town wins, too.

I'll be surprised if NK15 isn't scum. I don't really get Nancy's case on Yeti.

[Porkens]

1096?

[Porkens]

VOTE: NK15

[Porkens]

NK15s posts are blatant scum per my worldview at this moment. if he flips town im going to rethink a few things about scumreads.

[Porkens]

not

[Porkens]

VOTE: Woman of Crystals

[Porkens]

I do not strongly townread anyone in this game, but N15s posts are the scummiest.

some of the other players are pingning my "blending in" alarms, but its so hard to get over N15, especially that scooby doo mystery post at day start.

[Porkens]

I don't want this to seem like dog piling, but read this:

"see, 875 is why i wanted guiltylion around. really like the analysis, even if i'm not sure we agree on a few points. if i'm scum acid here, i don't think i ever try to kill aristo. scum acid probably just wins by shooting in me and nauci, then pushing through the two mislynches by arguing that it was the plan, so there's no reason to kill the conftown at the cost of leaving another voice alive. however, let's look at how a scum porkens or a scum guilty would win the game - orchestrate a mislynch today, no lynch tomorrow and then manage to argue your way out of your own lynch in lylo and get someone else lynched. the last part of that plan becomes a lot easier when there's no confirmed town in lylo.

to summarize, a scum nsg or a scum acid never needs aristo dead - we could've just sailed by on the plan to lynch in porkens and gl, and gotten rid of the people who would've suspected us. scum acid probably kills me, and scum me probably kills nauci. this makes me a lot more confident about acid being town.

on the other hand, scum porkens or scum you would guaranteed lose if town followed the plan. scum porkens could try to kill me and then acid, but in an aristo/nauci/porkens lylo, porkens still gets lynched. in fact, in an aristo/anyone/porkens lylo, porkens likely still gets lynched. porkens would need to remove aristo from the equation and leave, say, a porkens/nauci/acid lylo, where he could convince someone that acid has been scum all along.

i'm not entirely sure what kind of lylo situation you would look to be orchestrating if you made it there, because i think unless somehow it came down to both you and porkens in lylo, you still lose. any situation with nauci in it is probably out of the question given how much she suspected darren, so i suppose that a nsg/acid/gl situation might be what you're going for. i'm not sure if you could convince aristo to lynch someone other than you in lylo, so i can definitely see why you might want him gone.

taking all of this into account, i'm a lot more confident in the plan. i think there's even less of a chance that acid is scum here."

that's kinda what I was expecting more of.

[Porkens]

"i'm going to take this pagetop to reiterate that as long as we lynch scum today (and not pm), we should have this game won.

the mafia and the serial killer are forced into a prisoner's dilemna scenario - each either shoots town or shoots the other. the one who chooses to defect and shoot the other is the only one who survives and has a chance at winning the game - their only choice really is to shoot the other cannibal, otherwise they run the risk of dying themselves for a guaranteed loss.

even if both choose to defect, neither still wins - the townie left in the 1/1/1 situation should let the day end in a no-lynch, where again both are forced to shoot each other during the night. (if scum, for whatever reason, chose to shoot the townie, that would be conceding the game to the other scum who chose to shoot them.)

we have this game won, i'm sure of it, and i actually really love how it's all worked out. we were in a pretty bad spot coming into today and even without any cannibal flips, having lynched town two days in a row and with our dietician dead, we can still pull it off."

There's just a different level of confidence here.

[Porkens]

That's fair nsg.

[Porkens]

Who wants to fight me?

[Porkens]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't want to massclaim.

[Porkens]

Brush why you talk in Scooby doo mysteries that's not normal bruh

[Porkens]

Why you come all hard being like "explain this, now" what are you trying to emote?

[Porkens]

Why you so Goldman crummy huh? Like freak that's some crummy pass posting.

[Porkens]

Peace out.

[Porkens]

It's crap.

[Porkens]

And your reaction takes me into weird feelings, n.

[Porkens]

I think drinkers is town. Independent of other reads, too

[Porkens]

Vt? For real?

What cards did you pick?

[Porkens]

I'm rereading and...I think Drealmerz might be scum.

Merry x-mas!

[Porkens]

VOTE: drealmerz7

[Porkens]

nancy
Yeti, nsg
Dreal, Dunkers, grumushu
N15, woman of crystals


Why does it take 6 to lynch with 8 alive?

[Porkens]

VOTE: garaputo

That two gallons line is a scumline 100%

[Porkens]

VOTE: drealmers

[Porkens]

All aboard

[Porkens]

Ps crumb for post game.

Trbiaofaianffinmktfi.

[Porkens]

LYNCH
LYNCH
LTNCH

talk about it tomorrow

[Porkens]

happy birthday nancy

[Porkens]

50%?

[Porkens]

I'm good lynching dreal.

[Porkens]

Dreals reaction to being Wagoner was scummy. The claim seems like bs to me. If there is a tomorrow, I'll dog in to gamesolving.

[Porkens]

Gasp

[Porkens]

VOTE: notknown15

Nope. Punishment time.

[Porkens]

Who do you wanna lynch dreal?

[Porkens]

VOTE: gaputo

Yeessssss

[Porkens]

N15 this is not meant as an insult or accusation, but your posts are so scummy to me! Can you help me with that?

Dreal, i kinda agree with nancy that you seem a bit like give up scrum, butI don't think you are. I think you are stuck on this game like I am.

It's hard y'all! There are problems with this here town.

But

We can do this.


Task 1: compiled reads list.
Task 2: compiled claims

Here are my reads:
Drealmerz, i think his early game was scummy. He dropped out at a couple specific points. His reaction to be ing l-1 I call crummy.

Drinkers is a fuzzy nothing townread based on prior game experience.

Acid was weird and I do not know why he was defending n15, but Agra is at least engaged.

UNVOTE:


nancys latest rage seems scumhanced.

[Porkens]

So, dayborize me dreal

[Porkens]

Oh thank you so much

[Porkens]

Okay

VOTE: drealmerz

[Porkens]

VOTE: dunkerdoodles

Good morning!