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Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:02 am

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Post Post #15 (isolation #1) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:05 am

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In post 7, drealmerz7 wrote:woowoooo
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Post Post #18 (isolation #2) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:23 am

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So TPFKAP/drealmerz7 maybe not wolves together.
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Post Post #22 (isolation #3) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:34 am

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Because the deck I just dealt suggested so.
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Post Post #24 (isolation #4) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:38 am

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That you is scums.
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Post Post #31 (isolation #6) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:03 pm

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In post 28, Yetichain wrote:Just as a heads up, Yeticrab has not played mafia before :]

-Key
But have they played town?
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Post Post #40 (isolation #7) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:21 pm

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lol.

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Post Post #44 (isolation #8) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:23 pm

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In post 29, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:Images are even a bit a problem, given the multiple avenues for breaking the game that they present
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Post Post #46 (isolation #9) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:25 pm

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In post 43, Porkens wrote:I'm going to fuck someone up this game.
Well I guess I'm automatically exempt, hooray for me.
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Post Post #56 (isolation #11) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:32 pm

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In post 51, Dunkerdoodles wrote:porkens and dreal basically locktown
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Post Post #58 (isolation #12) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:34 pm

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In post 54, Porkens wrote:I'm not entirely sure what you mean, please excuse me.
You're excused.
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Post Post #60 (isolation #13) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:35 pm

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I townread Dunkerdoodles.
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I prefer not to get fucked by men.
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Post Post #66 (isolation #15) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:40 pm

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In post 64, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 60, nancy wrote:I townread Dunkerdoodles.
HEY!

what did I just say?!

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In post 65, drealmerz7 wrote:this is actually how I interpreted it but I wasn't going to go there
It wasn't how I interpreted it I'm just being gross to get reactions.
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In post 68, Dunkerdoodles wrote:you said why do i townread you and porkens
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Post Post #74 (isolation #18) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:44 pm

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In post 71, Porkens wrote:I TR Jabarkas Mayonnaise.
^ Obviously white.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #19) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:48 pm

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I townread Porkens for the nuance of emphasizing phrasal verb in anticipation of filthiness.
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Rude.
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Post Post #81 (isolation #21) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:54 pm

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Gonna stop trolling around now and wait for the game to start.
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In post 74, nancy wrote:
In post 71, Porkens wrote:I TR Jabarkas Mayonnaise.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #23) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:03 pm

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Oh I didn't realize. Do you have any reads you want to talk about drealmer?
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Also talk to me about how you're intending on playing this game?
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Post Post #102 (isolation #25) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:12 pm

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Actually I'd like to start the game here with some RQS so four questions for everyone borrowed from Regfan:

1) What are your availabilities re: timezone / time of day / posting frequency?
2) What kind of experience do you have with mafia and how does that inform your play?
3) Do you prefer hunting down scum to manipulating town and why?
4) How would you describe your playstyle and is there anything about it you're trying to change this game?
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Post Post #104 (isolation #26) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:13 pm

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In post 101, drealmerz7 wrote:the SR on you is real and a strong feeling
Do you know where it's coming from yet? By strong feeling do you mean objectively or relative to the point of the game we're up to?
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Post Post #105 (isolation #27) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:15 pm

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In post 103, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 99, nancy wrote:Oh I didn't realize.
I don't believe this at all

you're too astute / pay too much attention to all the details for this 'oopsie'
I'm also doing a bunch of other things IRL right now and hadn't started taking this game seriously yet so I was paying much attention at all; why do you think I'd make that kind of lie if I were scum here?
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Post Post #110 (isolation #28) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:21 pm

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In post 106, drealmerz7 wrote:aye, it's more than a feeling, there are thoughts with the feelings as well, with multiple indicators

I could maybe write a paragraph or two about it but my head is kind of wobbly with focus so don't really want to force myself to do that (been a really hard past 2 days)
Fair enough, I'll follow up with you later if you've not given a response once you've found your focus.

Sorry it's been a hard couple days I didn't know. :(
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In post 105, nancy wrote:why do you think I'd make that kind of lie if I were scum here?
because you thought it was innocuous enough to not be anything and you're a little thrown off after I fakeshot you, which I don't think would have happened if you were town
What makes you think I'm the kind of scum player who would be thrown by a fake dayvig in that situation and why wouldn't I have been thrown if I were town? Given that I'm quite aware of how we've both been trying to coordinate playing a game together for a while now I would think it should be fairly obvious to you that I'd know it was fake even if I were scum and didn't think we were still in pre-game.
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1) I work from home so I have pretty free access and can definitely post a ton sometimes, GMT+1 / very weird sleeping habits.
2) First played EM for a few weeks, then came to mafiascum, since then have migrated to Westeros and some other sites, have around 20 completed games or maybe less.
3) I enjoy them both but I prefer manipulating people because it's easier and a lot less stressful than trying to solve games, mafia is my comfort zone.
4) I like to talk to people a fuckton; have been trying to change my game over the past several games to rely more on logic and remove my emotional side from the game / draw a lot of the "power" out of it so that I'm not bullrushing people like I used to; still need to figure out how to make this style more interesting / compelling to other players.
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Post Post #121 (isolation #30) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:56 pm

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In post 114, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 110, nancy wrote:1.)
What makes you think I'm the kind of scum player who would
be thrown by a fake dayvig in that situation and why wouldn't I have been thrown if I were town? Given that I'm quite aware of how
we've both been trying to coordinate playing a game together for a while
now I would think it should be fairly obvious to you that I'd know it was fake even if I were scum and
didn't think we were still in pre-game.
1.) this is a generalized stance you're wanting me to answer rather than the specificness of this game, look to the pink as to why it threw you and because

2.) you knew we weren't in pre-game anymore and thought I'd actually caught and shot you already

you wouldn't have gotten thrown as town, you'd have gotten pissed

you'd have also checked to make sure if we were still in pre-game or not if you didn't know when you saw the dayvig and then, if town, gotten pissed because you'd have realized we were no longer in pre-game
The point I was making was that even if I'd thought the game had started I'd have known it wasn't real because even if you do think of yourself as a master I really don't think you're arrogant enough to make a dayvig at the very start of the dayphase especially if you didn't know whether it was dayending; I also wouldn't have believed you could get a scumread that hard that fast.

Not much point continuing down this line since it's just you saying "I'm completely convinced you're lying" and not being able to talk about your reasoning yet but I'm definitely hoping that this isn't the main point of your scumread because I think it's very weak and not really understandable at all even if you do get irrational scumreads sometimes.

Like if you're scum here coming out with a hard scumread me of you surely know that it's not going to be helpful for you at all and that you're not going to be able to get me lynched so either you're making a horrible tactical decision (which I think is unlikely but not completely impossible given how much of a risk-taker I think you can be) or you're hoping to try to make yourself obvtown through some sort of early spat that you want to look like a TvT.

And if you're town here then what you're doing is even harder to understand because I think you're pretty aware of how silly the kind of stance / reasoning you're putting forth so far is. If there's something I'm missing there then definitely please point it out to me as much as you're able to while the rest of the read is still unexplained.
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Sure, happy enough with that for now.
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I'd argue that RQS quite obviously does serve a purpose given just this exchange. Information from the questions I put here alone I think is also potentially helpful for sorting alignment so if you disagree could you talk about why?

Don't understand how me having the idea to try out RQS from Regfan makes any difference in this game; agree that it doesn't matter but don't understand why that's your response if you think it doesn't.

@drealmer none of them were real, no. The wolfy pop-in in particular is very much a meme.
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Post Post #136 (isolation #33) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:03 pm

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In post 134, Porkens wrote:nancy,

Past: King of Diamonds
Up to now, you have been secure in a middle position. This could be about your work, or a social situation. You haven't been the best, but you have been comfortable in your niche.

Present: 5 of diamonds
You are experiencing change, and your former position has been disrupted. Maybe your footing in life suddenly isn't as solid as it had been before. You are you may be feeling a deprivation of something that you normally cling to for security.

Future: Jack of Spades
You will be drawn to rebellion, or perhaps drawn into an act of rebellion by someone else.

Warning: Jack of Hearts
Be wary of temptation and allure. What seems like love may be something else.
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Post Post #149 (isolation #34) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:33 pm

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In post 138, Yetichain wrote:tend to need to reread and track particular players and how they've been acting over the game.
That just sounds like responsible townplay tbh. :P
In post 139, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:Personally, I feel like RQS is NAI and I really don't like the power dynamic it attempts to establish.

-V
The questions / answers themselves aren't really indicative of a lot immediately but the info is helpful to me at least + there's already been a fair bit of discussion around doing it that looks decently indicative to me and you've been voted for your response to it.

What power dynamics do you mean? Are you thinking like "answer this or I scumread you" or something else?
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Sorry I missed that you'd already been asked that.
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Fwiw I was refusing to townread you in the morph game for playstyle even while being aware that it was probably just playstyle so I feel like I've at least worked through that part of your play to an extent.
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In post 166, Not Known 15 wrote:Why are you asking these questions? I have not seen the answer yet. Answer that question now!
Which questions? You're going to have to be more specific.
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In post 169, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 167, nancy wrote:
In post 166, Not Known 15 wrote:Why are you asking these questions? I have not seen the answer yet. Answer that question now!
Which questions? You're going to have to be more specific.
The "RQS" questions. I want to know why you selected them.
3 of them were questions I pulled from a game Regfan IC'd and I think they're really good questions to start the game with, I've been moving away from RVS personally and throw my vote around a lot less than I used to so I wanted to give it a try. Pretty satisfied with the results so far. Before talking with Reg about it all I knew RQS was garbage questions like "panckes or waffles?" that don't lead anywhere but I think the info from the questions here are definitely going to help me solve and I like the way it's moved the game so far. Pretty tired of people tunneling right out of RVS which has been a lot of my experiences there so this is a welcome change and absolutely fits the way I play now.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #39) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:55 pm

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In post 168, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I care a ton about motivation.

RQS is not AI. Therefore I don’t care why she wanted to ask them.
So RQS is not AI therefore even my wanting to RQS is not AI? I can understand not being open to RQS but I don't understand how you're saying there's no particular motivation behind what I'm doing or how I've done it.
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Yeah I don't think that's particularly important either unless you think it's relevant to one of your reads.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #41) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:12 am

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Do you have any reads you feel like talking about at this point?
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Post Post #179 (isolation #42) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:40 am

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Fwiw I'm hesitantly leaning scum on drealmer. Think the way he got a strong scumread on me and the way he came out with it doesn't make a lot of sense; very difficult to believe that he got that strong of a read from just me trollposting in pre-game and I don't think it's understandable of him to get an even stronger read there from my lack of response to the dayvig. Not quite sure how calling one of my early posts villagery fits in with that read and think if that's a real read (and his kind of tells me it is) then it makes the scumread that much more difficult to understand.

Think the way he stated in that he had a strong read that I was lying is somewhat awkward on a tonal level that's a little hard to describe but mostly has to do with the line of thought where he's stating a "strong read" on me with that language slipping into his sentence there instead of something that maybe displayed a little more depth of thought. Not a strong point by any means but think if he's scum here that post is telling in that he's not managed to fake the same kind of thought process he'd have as town and has ended up looking a little shallow on it.

Difficult to read too much more into it without hearing back from him re: the rest of his reasoning prior to the dayvig but mostly don't find the strength of that read or his expression of it so far to be very believable and I'm slightly puzzled by the way he's interacting with LUV in that he's asking a lot more busy-ish questions there which don't seem to have a huge amount of drive behind them which isn't something I very much expect from drealmer's towngame.

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Rather a sparse reading on this one.
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Post Post #197 (isolation #44) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:31 pm

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I will forgive you for an eight-and-a-half-hour time allotment, after which point my forgiveness will cease.
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Post Post #204 (isolation #45) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:36 pm

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In post 186, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:I'm hesitant to go into liftoff and make any real judgment calls on anyone until we've got everyone present, accounted for, and playing. I feel as though the rather vocal amount of players we've got here right now are more likely town than not and that clever scum would just lurk out for awhile and allow bad blood to brew between the talkers, then swipe in when wagons begin, if that makes sense.

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Varsoon talk to me about how this is your stance here? Because I'm looking at this and seeing something that's very generic and easy and doesn't accomplish or actually state anything on the players here and isn't particularly relevant to this game either since unless you're seeing something I'm not there's none of the bad blood brewing that you're talking about. Unless you're holding townreads on all the active posters that you're not talking about I'm wondering why you're looking at the game and thinking that scum are probably not posting and you're fine with that and are going to do nothing until they show themselves? Also don't understand how mafia being clever plays into this or why you're assuming they are unless you have a clear idea of who you think mafia is without them even posting, acidphoenix being the only person I think could realistically fit that, and if you do have a clear idea then it doesn't make sense to make the post in the first place.

Find the mindset you've stated to be pretty unrealistic and struggle to believe that even if the premise of bad blood were true that you'd forego interacting with any of it and simply steer clear out of fear of mafia swooping in and taking advantage of the situation unawares; if you think that there's bad blood happening between people that are town here where do you think that's happening and why have you not done anything about it or commented on any of it if mafia manipulating that is a real threat? Only answer I'm seeing is that you don't want to in order to observe watchfully which if you're already aware of that as a threat I'm not sure why you're so hesitant to engage. Basically think that the stance you've taken in 186 is something that looks nice on the surface but is just a complete mess once you dig down into it and look at it on a level of "Varsoon actually having these thoughts"; if you could walk me through how this is working in your head that would be super helpful.

PS I don't think certain players not posting should prevent you from looking at the content of the players who have posted and working on your reads on that material; if you disagree with me there, I think you should be able to talk about how that content is affected by you not yet holding a read on an inactive player and why that means that you prefer to abstain?
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Post Post #206 (isolation #46) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:30 pm

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In post 205, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:He’s also approaching the game with the readings in a way that I don’t think most players in this player list would allow him to if they were his partner.
Don't think you know much about Porkens if you think that. :P
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Fair enough though I don't think that covers the thoughts of "clever scum would just lurk" (me disagreeing with that aside) with no more than a vague idea of who that might be or why quieting the louder voices is going to facilitate the less active players in producing content. Can't recall any games where that's happened, can you? If your gamestate read involves clever scum lurking out the early game who do think fits that profile in this game? Because otherwise I don't understand where that thought's coming from. If you think it's advantageous for scum to lurk why wouldn't they continue to lurk if town wasn't being active? Think answering those extra question would definitely help me understand that stance from you if you've the indulgence in you.

My experience is that games are always going to have certain more vocal players and I'm not quite grasping why it's as easy as how you've portrayed it so, question: if there are mafia in the more vocal posters at what point do you start looking for that?

There's also a subpoint here that isn't alignment indicative but I think it's interesting which is that you seem to be assuming that town aren't going to be able to reliably recognize each other. Probably a fair assumption by MS standards.

My own view goes back to the little postscript, that it benefits town to have people talking as much as possible as long they're not swallowing the game because the more I'm able to have mafia post the more I'm able to find reasons why they're mafia and the more I'm able to have town post the more I'm able to find reasons why they're town and in the latter case once I've got a strong townread on someone I've got another voice I can trust about the game which can be pretty invaluable; as a platitude that's the more people I have the opportunity to reach that place with the earlier, the better off I think I'm going to be. Probably relevant that I never really expect to live more than a dayphase as town.

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Actually I'd like to tack on another little thing here for you to come back with answer to in the next ~24 hours at your leisure, don't have to give an answer at the same time as you respond to the above, which is that if you had to kill exactly one player in the 4 low-content posters you mentioned and if they're town you die, who and why?
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Pretty much anyone can feel free to answer that as well but preferably not before Varsoon has a chance.
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Haha, A+
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Re 212, thanks; still not really understanding why you'd take such a generalized stance without looking at the players in the game here but not sure that's something we're going to resolve.

Question remains of, if there are mafia in the more vocal posters at what point do you start looking for that? Like you're holding gamestate reads on most of the active posters as them being more likely to be town, presumably as the game continues they're going to continue to be the more vocal posters even once the others start picking up content more so how much content and interaction do you need with the low-content posters to feel like you have a full enough picture of the game?

You may not be self-aware enough to answer that one which is fine if that's the case, but I do think there's a fair bit of a question mark there in that you're waiting for something vaguely defined, reading the game according to something vaguely defined, not really sure what to do and want more content but don't seem to have a clear way of going about getting it.


Think we're probably holding pretty different philosophies about mafia here since having a full picture of the game isn't really something that's going to prevent me from forming opinions and I'm very much a rereader and a rerereader so updating and revising as I get more info is going to happen a lot. Am kind of under the assumption that my focus is always going to be limited and much of my effort during the game is dedicated to doing what I can with what I have and trying to get the fullest picture I can in the spot that I'm in; one of the best ways for me to do that is to ask a bunch of questions and put my thoughts out there for others to dig into and interact with people as much as possible. Not really the sit-back-and-watch type.


Follow-up question: if you had to kill exactly one player in the five of the more vocal posters and if they're town you die, who and why, and if you had to pick exactly one player in the same group to prevent from dying for the rest of the game and if they're mafia you die, who and why? And for the sake of the question you can't pick me.

Anyone else can answer that one too if they feel like it.
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In post 219, Porkens wrote:It just says "Image" ??
It loads for me! If it's not loading for you just right-click the "Image" and click View Image and it'll take you to what you want to see.
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Porkens have you seen Twin Peaks? You're reminding me of the log lady :P

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Why do you ask though?
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Post Post #235 (isolation #55) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:13 am

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Why LUV over drealmer?
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In post 233, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:I have no clue what your posts mean, Acid.

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I was about to say "Yeti isn't in this game..." before I realized you obv weren't talking about Yeti.
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Interesting that you have two people out of the more likely to be town group that you want to kill. Also for some reason had the sense that you were townreading drealmer although looking back over your ISO I guess that was unfounded and not sure where that feeling came from.
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In post 242, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:It should come as no surprise that I'd choose Little Uzi, given that I've been leaning town on Porkens and Drealmerz before you asked the question.
He's who I expected you to pick, yeah. It's more the way it's answered, who you've included in that group and the reasoning given that's interesting to me + I think if you're trying to get content going little games like this are a decent way of achieving that since it's something anyone can engage with.
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In post 243, acidphoenix wrote:the Nancy dayvig stunt and how he did it / talked with Nancy after is imo villagery, the "don't say your townreads" is probably only said in context like that from a villager, and same for how he handled rqs discussion w luv
Can you go into any more detail than this? I raised a few points about why I didn't think those things made him town so if you disagree I'd like to hear more about why. The townreads thing from drealmer is definitely not relevant to his alignment since it's something he genuinely believes about how to play mafia and is going to say regardless of alignment.
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In post 247, acidphoenix wrote:i don't think that the fact that he thinks that / says it itt is alignment indicative; i think that the emotional response to a townread is though

can you link your points? the read is mostly based off gut/experience things
Which emotional response are you talking about in particular?

Think the emotion displayed in is pretty null in that he's not responding to a read that he's invested in at all, it's just him feeling strongly about his idea that townreads shouldn't be talked about and in my experience he displays the same feeling about theory like this in his scumgame. Then there's which I think is pretty joking in tone and also not a response to a read that he shares/doesn't share so again not looking alignment indicative to me.

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In post 252, Dunkerdoodles wrote:can i ask why there aren't any votes?
like, maybe it's normal but people are usually throwing out votes just to get some activity.
maybe this game doesn't need this cause it's already decently active but it's still strange imo
You're probably not going to see me put down a vote until I'm ready to lynch someone so likely near EoD.
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In post 254, Dunkerdoodles wrote:eh i guess
does it make me look nooby cause i'm voting then? :(
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In post 263, acidphoenix wrote:@nancy i meant 57

can you link to a dreal scumgame then? if he does it like that as scum too then meh, but it feels like he would have just not thought it to bring up immediately / loudly
Am probably mostly thinking of Nightman Cometh where he was pretty vocal about how he believed mafia should be played, refreshing myself on his games more though I think you may have something of a point about his ISO generally in that I'm not seeing that same kind of emphasis being thrown around casually in his scumgames; maybe the tiniest bit +town if I want to be generous. Definitely not seeing him anything close to obvious town here and ftr he's faked a dayvig as mafia before even if it looks like the manner in which he did it here is what you're townreading.

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In post 260, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i like porkens so far tbh but that's just me
Any posts in particular that you like more or less than others?
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Key how would you feel if I said I was scumreading you?
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Why not surprised? :P
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No idea if you should be surprised or not since I've not seen your play before, though you don't seem too too much like the kind of player to get scumread a lot as town.

I don't entirely scumread you, but I am entertaining it; a few small things that stand out like your interactions with Varsoon and your Porkens scumread that are kind of ??? on the level of like, I can kind of see where you're coming from if I squint really hard but mostly I just find it difficult to follow and understand how you're getting from A->B and what you're doing when you get there. Sort of in the same spot I've got Varsoon at the moment.
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Porkens, what does it remind you of?
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In post 283, nancy wrote:Porkens, what does it remind you of?
cabd's gambit in board games, I thought you spectated that?
Nope! I was thinking of playing in it, but some people signed up that I didn't want to play with. I skimmed some of morph's posts when the game was over but don't remember much.
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Post Post #309 (isolation #72) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:05 pm

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Not so outnumbered by the men now, this is good.
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Also from what little I know of northsidegal she's a little more talkative than LUV, this is also good.
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You?

Do I win?
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Post Post #328 (isolation #76) » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:51 pm

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Varsoon seems to dislike toothless games > Varsoon seems to like teeth > Varsoon is a werewolf!??!???
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Don't really have the energy to create content in this game atm sorry. I'm sad you didn't seem to think my thoughts re northsidegal's entrance though.
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Also your Dunkerdoodles read is ??? to me.

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Well what bothered me about her entrance was that she immediately went to talking about her precedessor which is ??? because it's a very questionable way of reading into anyone's alignments and there's a bunch of mafia motivation there in that you're going to want to defuse scumreads on your slot first and foremost; I've seen newbies do the same thing and it's not a 100% tell but it's definitely not a great way to enter the game.
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Yeah I am.
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Just as bad how?
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I am very tired and not capable of putting out ~words~ but not seeing anything to make me think that Varsoon/Yeti/northsidegal doesn't contain the team here. acid votes are very ??? in that I haven't seen any reasoning put forth for why he's mafia other than "not present" which is super unconvincing, don't think he's likely to flip mafia at all.
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I've been lackluster because my energy is spent elsewhere, sorry. Am sure it'll change before long.

Am not really into pressure voting and mostly find it to be a smokescreen but I get the thought behind it, I can understand the vote better if that's what you're doing.
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Varsoon I care, I just don't have the energy needed to dedicate to this game right now. Wish I did, but it's not really in my control. If you want to talk to me about anything specific I can try to give brief responses as far as I'm able but I'm not able to drive anything right now.

Smokescreen because in short I think giving people stuff to engage with like questions or reads is much more useful than putting votes down and using votes to pressure people allows for more situations for mafia to blend in. Putting a vote on someone purely for pressure in most cases doesn't do anything in itself and reduces the value of your vote; it's putting votes on someone with reasoning on why you think they're mafia that I think allows interactions and reads to happen, and those are things that can happen just as easily without the votes. When the emphasis is on the votes over conversation it's just another way for mafia to justify bad lynches.
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Don't find 383 to be believable at all; think Varsoon's posting all of this page has been very town and the reasoning I'm seeing there makes a ton of sense to me if northsidegal is mafia here thinking that Varsoon is an easy target due his frustration and very little sense if she's town trying to understand whether Varsoon's frustrating is real and responding to it in an honest and equal manner.
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Yeah I find your reasoning there very understandable; though I didn't mean to imply that you should've asked questions with your vote. Think it's very much just a difference in playstyle.

Won't be replacing out, don't worry, am really glad you feel that I've been pleasant so far as that's very important to me.
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People who make a lot of noise tend to arouse ire.
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northsidegal when you have the time could you run me through your thoughts on Varsoon from as early in the game as you had any to now? You're my strongest scumread right now and I haven't seen much from you in the way of thoughts from other players so if you're town here being a little more transparent with where you're at and what your thought process has been on Varsoon and maybe ~1-2 other slots would be very helpful in getting me to see that.

Also aware that I haven't responded to your 360 and will get to that soon as I'm able.
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Post Post #483 (isolation #90) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:37 am

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I don't have time to provide detailed thoughts on the past pages (of which I have many) until early morning but very quickly:
In post 360, northsidegal wrote:
In post 349, nancy wrote:Well what bothered me about her entrance was that she immediately went to talking about her precedessor which is ??? because it's a very questionable way of reading into anyone's alignments and there's a bunch of mafia motivation there in that you're going to want to defuse scumreads on your slot first and foremost; I've seen newbies do the same thing and it's not a 100% tell but it's definitely not a great way to enter the game.
not entirely true, unless you're talking about my joking copy of luv's entrance. i entered the game by asking people who was scum. you said that i am, so i asked you for how you got that read. you're the one who brought luv up initially, not me – it just so happened that we shared a slot. with that in mind i think it's an entirely reasonable, if not common way of reading into other people's alignments – seeing how people arrive at their conclusions is telling.
Bringing up that I mentioned LUV first as an excuse for why you were talking about your slot seems very strange and irrelevant, I mentioned that you were more talkative than LUV which was banter, so I don't understand why that's your deflection? How does me mentioning the person you replaced a few posts prior = you want to talk about him? You're very right that looking for reasoning on reads is going to help you sort people, what unnerves me is that this is your first port of call at a point where you're not getting wagoned + it's a very broad/indirect question that helps you least of all given that if you're town you're going to be trying to sort the board and reasoning on other slots than your own offers more in that regard. If there's something I'm not understanding here about your approach to the game, please help me see that?

I don't really find what you've given in / to be very convincing or helpful in getting a better read on you; if you believe Varsoon is mafia here then how you convince of me that is by showing me your process and not just giving me the end-point of "recent posts feel lamist" or "it feels like such a non-statement", and you're in this game now so you're right that not having thought about it before doesn't mean much. Would also like it if you provided thoughts on players other than Varsoon here since if he is mafia then he has a partner and finding Varsoon scum doesn't solve you the game.
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YO GUYS WHAT'S HAPPENING NANCY BE ALL ABOUT IT
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Fuck I used gendered language I am a horrible human being.
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I have a hottake on the last few pages but I'm tired and due to vanity don't feel like dropping it until I'm energized enough to articulate it properly.
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Think I actually need to take a V/LA so I don't get burned out here.

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Post Post #548 (isolation #97) » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:59 pm

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Back from V/LA a little early.

My hottake (which clearly is not very hot) was that Varsoon is scum. It was a couple of people mentioning they didn't feel comfortable with his tone that prompted me to reconsider that side of it a little more and I think there's a decent point to be made about the way that he fluctuates between a very reasonable and understanding tone to a very hostile and upset one between posts and sometimes even in the same post. I don't necessarily think his frustration was faked, he would very probably have felt frustrated about being scumread there as either alignment and as scum would know he needed to push the gamestate away from that; I think the way his frustration was expressed and the focus of his energy around that makes more sense if he's mafia.

I think a clearer indicator of his alignment here is the way that a lot of his posts contain a bunch of ~words~ that seem very much oriented towards inciting fear and towards appearing town and not much else. Especially in his lengthiest exchanges there's not a real sense that he's trying to get a better read on other players so much as overwhelm them. As a contrast you have his treatment of northsidegal which mostly looks like him going out of his way to townread her, there's some weird progression there but -> in particular just looks like him walking through the necessary steps to arrive at a townread.

Cautiously confident in that read so if anyone townreads Varsoon I'd like to hear why they think so and why they disagree with the reasoning put forwards so far on him being scum. There's more to my own read there that I haven't covered but the main meat of it has already been talked about. Find myself agreeing with a lot of what Yetichain says in .


My scumread on northsidegal has also grown, think the way that her engagement with her Varsoon scumread has dropped off significantly doesn't make a lot of sense if she's town here but makes a lot of sense if she's partners with Varsoon and had only intended on distancing with him early before pulling back. Not seeing much in the way of ~thoughts~ from her so much as justifications for stances and things like saying "i don't see a better place for it to be" wrt her Varsoon vote are very difficult to understand if she's town talking to a scumread but fits pretty comfortably with her giving excuses to a scumpartner for why she's not following his push on a townie.

Going to hold off on voting until we're a little closer to deadline and have a bit more content to work with.
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If you still have the huge response then please post it? I've read all of your posts pretty thoroughly and while I haven't engaged with you (or anyone) yet I am not writing you off as scum or sold on your lynch by any means (haven't even voted), just because I've given reasoning for why I think a world where you're scum makes sense to me. I have barely been involved this game and haven't even fully caught up with the thread yet.

Since we're on the topic I thought some of the reasoning you gave in the penultimate paragraph of 511 was good but there are parts of it that don't make a lot of sense to me. I think you are right that Yeti's engagement with you has overall been a failure and has dominated their focus in a weird way but things like "I don't see how you X" are what I don't get there; Yeti voted you a long time ago and even if they hadn't, I don't understand why you can't see a town player scumreading/voting you while you were flailing? I have seen this pretty frequently. I also don't understand your point about it being untrue that you were upset about people voting you for just trying to play; as far as I understand no one voted for you that reason. And where was Yeti tipped off balance?

It is also probably worth mentioning that your level of engagement with this game is pretty perplexing to me. What I've seen of you is only your towngame and a lot of lurking, so I am definitely feeling thrown off by the amount of content you're producing here. That doesn't really have any bearing on your alignment, but understanding what's going on in your head in that regard could help me understand your thoughts on the game overall better which would be great if you are town here.
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I could probably vote Porkens after that.
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In fact I am going to.

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I don't really believe you? You did pretty fine in drealmer's game and that was chaos on top of trying to get reads.
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Fwiw, a big reason why I am doubting my read on you is that the votes on you have been so bad.
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But like, the reasoning for why I'm scumreading you isn't going to go away. It may be outweighed by other things that you do or changed through interactions that we have but the kind of fear-mongering and yelling at people for scumreading you is probably the most significant part of my read and it's something that I can see much easier if you're scum here than if you're town. If I hadn't seen you get really angry/yell-y in the morph game where you were town I would probably be voting you right now. Actually come to think of it, your reasons for yelling at everyone seemed very paranoid and not quite based in reality there too, so maybe I shouldn't be scumreading you for that? :thinking:
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Post Post #569 (isolation #104) » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:06 pm

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Varsoon would you describe yourself as narcissistic? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.
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In post 571, Porkens wrote:Like how do you find scum day 1? Unless someone is just too afraid to contribute, and follow along without producing new things, i can’t pick anyone out of the group.
I put a ton of reasoning out there on a ton of different reads and see who engages with what and when the dayphase is nearly over I look back over it all and decide who I think is mafia.

You say I could be mafia based on the RVS stuff (I assume you mean pre-game?) but you had me a townread very early?

Like why did you vote me there (above)? Why flip between me and drealmer like that? What was going through your head?

I've been looking forward to playing with you too, but it's not going to stop me from lynching you if I think you're mafia. ;)

Your reads may not have been great in drealmer's game but you had a lot of thoughts and you clearly knew what you did think (most of the time).

"Yeti scum third time in a row" is not good reasoning. Even if you're not familiar with someone's meta you can still have opinions about their play.
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Narcissistic personalities view the world through the lens of the emotions they're feeling at the time which results in a ton of irrationality and would potentially explain the type of posting you've been doing in response to being scumread and how a lot of the things you seem angry about don't seem connected with reality to others, which would also line up with my experience of your game in Midscummer's.
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Porkens I mentioned reconsidering because my initial reaction upon seeing Varsoon very emphatically posting trying to push the gamestate was to think that it was town motivated; there's nothing scummy about being prompted by other people. I didn't go into more depth because I'm tired of posting walls that no one wants to read. I say "seems like" because I am not confident and it's conjecture of a possible world that I am looking at. I didn't vote because I don't vote often and I definitely don't put people to L-1 when I'm not sure and there's 6 days left and I have barely done anything.
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Post Post #580 (isolation #108) » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:43 pm

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So what's your read on Varsoon Porkens, eyes-glazed notwithstanding?
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Post Post #582 (isolation #109) » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:50 pm

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Post Post #584 (isolation #110) » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:52 pm

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Scary/yummy?
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Post Post #585 (isolation #111) » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:03 pm

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Oink?
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Post Post #586 (isolation #112) » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:07 pm

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I don't understand you, Porkens.
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Post Post #590 (isolation #113) » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:44 pm

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The pig sheeps, or?
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Post Post #591 (isolation #114) » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:49 pm

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Well this game wears me out.

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Post Post #602 (isolation #115) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:07 am

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In post 595, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:
In post 591, nancy wrote:Well this game wears me out.

Unvote
Why unvote now?
What about Spaghetti?
Or Northfrontguy?
Do either/both of them seem town to you?

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I don't know who either of those people are.
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In post 601, Porkens wrote:nancy, same question.
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Post Post #605 (isolation #117) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:45 am

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Neither of them seem town to me although I have a world where northsidegal is town.
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You're killing me Varsoon. Anyone who scumreads you is horrible and hasn't engaged with you enough but I've given you stuff to engage on me with and you haven't. It's really frustrating.
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I don't know why I tried playing on mafiascum again.
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The kind of mafia I enjoy is where people sit down and talk to each other like a fucking fine wine dinner not running around batshit slitting throats and yelling about who has the biggest ego.
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I'm not interested in randomly lynching I'm interested in solving the game and unless the scumteam is clueless or arrogant I'm not going to be alive tomorrow. I have exactly 5 days 6 hours 17 minutes to solve the game or I don't solve it at all.
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Post Post #618 (isolation #123) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:53 am

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In post 560, nancy wrote:Since we're on the topic I thought some of the reasoning you gave in the penultimate paragraph of 511 was good but there are parts of it that don't make a lot of sense to me. I think you are right that Yeti's engagement with you has overall been a failure and has dominated their focus in a weird way but things like "I don't see how you X" are what I don't get there; Yeti voted you a long time ago and even if they hadn't, I don't understand why you can't see a town player scumreading/voting you while you were flailing? I have seen this pretty frequently. I also don't understand your point about it being untrue that you were upset about people voting you for just trying to play; as far as I understand no one voted for you that reason. And where was Yeti tipped off balance?
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Post Post #619 (isolation #124) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:54 am

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Guess I was hoping for more / insight into why you thought everyone was voting you for just playing the game. Nevermind about it.
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Yeah, that's probably a small difference in our interpretation of Yetichain's post about that. I just realized I still haven't even caught up in the few pages I missed on V/LA but my understanding of Yeti's point about you was that the way in which you were pressuring acid wasn't accomplishing much and you were using that as an exemption for generating activity in other areas/ways. I think Yeti could probably be more charitable there and the way they worded it was pretty stretchy since I think it's a reason to be slightly cautious of what someone's doing not a reason to outright scumread them, but that was how I read their qualms with that in particular.
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Oh okay, I only missed one page.

I don't think there's any way I don't vote Yetichain today after 528. Which I should follow up by talking about why, but I am tired.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #129) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:38 pm

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I'll do a Porkens readslist just for you Varsoon, since you seem to like them.

drealmerz7: he wouldn't be this disengaged if he were a wolf

Jabarkas Mayonnaise: false-positive scumread because of NPD-type playstyle, if narcissist then probably town pending review of scumgames, never a wolf with Yeti, w/w with northsidegal

Yetichain: strong scumread for reasons, w/w with NK15

TFPKAP: messy af, borderline policy lynch territory but going back over Maplewood they weren't too different there it was just concealed somewhat by their A+ flavorposting, kinda love-hate-y here

acidphoenix: easygoing tone + roleclaim stuff seems town enough for now I guess

dunkerdoodles: vi, wouldn't have randomly wanted to scumread me if he were mafia

Not Known 15: probably scum trying to fake vi

northsidegal: lurky and distant, backup scumread


Also I just realized why I felt so unnerved by your huge walls Varsoon; at the start of the game you seemed to lack any predisposition for them with the way you responded to my "novellas". Did I misinterpret?
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Post Post #630 (isolation #130) » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:49 pm

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I'll let drealmer explain for me
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if we weren't teamed I'd be pushing you hard and demanding you be lynched because I'd be SRing you hard for this lurkness and I don't like not doing what I would be doing as town as scum

you're making it more difficult than it needs to be and I'm going to be out for your head tomorrow if you don't start playing
In post 44, drealmerz7 wrote:it's not like I'm upset about it at all, because it's not raising suspicion and not making it much harder at all is mostly negligible

I just hate lurkers and scum lurkers are the worst and when I'm on a team with them....grrrrrr

bad form! is all (:

MS needs to shapeup and not let lurkers live until endgame
In post 46, drealmerz7 wrote:well I'm on a mission to improve MS

and yeah, that is why I like the SLAUGHTER THE USELESS phrase

it covers all bases, yuo can be a useless spammer, a useless lurker, etc., it's the slots that aren't generating readable content that need to go


Dunker hasn't been calculated, NK15 has.
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In post 629, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:I do like readslists with just a concise sentence that gets at the heart of each read, yeah. Helps.
The issue with readslists for me is that my reads tend to be a pretty delicate web and if you think of a read as one strand of web then you can't summarize any read in a static way like "probtown" without leaving out a ton of information and having it just be ultimately really arbitrary. Part of this is because the main way I scumhunt is by worldbuilding and I often have dozens of worlds in my head at once, I can talk about one of those worlds like the one we're you're mafia with northsidegal but just talking about that doesn't really represent the whole of what my reads are on your slot or hers. Generally what I put forth into the thread are just the most likely worlds that I've built, or ones that I find more interesting to talk about for some reason.
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Here's something amusing.
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I know that there's some contention over my slot and I'd like to speak towards that and what it means for me, Regfan.
Out the gates, I did have stronger posts. That's just the case. I immediately was met with more than one townread.
However, as I slouched, so did opinion of me. Only natural, right?
I don't really think so. I feel that the shift in perspective on my slot from a universal townread to being near the bottom of most lists was a scum-oriented effort.
That said, it does become difficult to parse out just exactly who is town duped by it and who is scum taking advantage of my play not being consistent to where it was the moment we began.

This does afford me some unique perspective. I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that NMS is town. That slot has a strong read on me informed by gut, but that gut is informed by having lots of shared games where I have been in a similar position. I have no doubts that Mastina would have me hanging from the rope if they were scum--especially with Jae continuing to inform the slot. Their early TR on me was something they've had lots of time to back away from and, at this point, would serve them nothing at all to continue to hold onto. Plenty of other players were outspoken about me being quite town and now say things like that townread is "effectively gone." It would be an easy way to back away and put me in very real territory to be lynched within the first three days.

I'm not just letting people's read progression on me paint my own reads--there's a lot else going on there, too. I also don't want you to think that I am not paying attention, following along, and critically engaging. The big thing is that I just don't have the time to make posts this long on a regular basis. I don't have time to respond several times or build a bunch right now. This game, frankly, doesn't need it. I've established myself and what I want firmly enough, imo. Could I do more to lead? Sure. But I don't think that is what would be best for town, given my limited capacity to contribute. Is more contribution of content from me going to better this game for town? Not really--I've put enough down as is and, moving forward, putting more down will only serve to clog this game up.

I will say that I was a bit frustrated when I began this game. I was told that the vetting process would be fairly strict, and that there was concern (given my shaky start on this site) that I just wasn't up to snuff.
I had to make a case for myself being a better player with worthwhile contributions to games, as both alignments.
My most recent games, luckily, fit that bill.
However, my frustration came from taking this game very seriously right out the gate and seeing several players being very off-the-cuff and playful and not really giving it their best foot forward, especially given the whole premise of this game being for stronger players to make stronger plays.
I still want to contribute that quality of play, but the way that everyone else hit this game, it made me lose a bit of that initial posture--it made me take this less seriously, especially since I had less time to invest, anyway.

I know this post is getting to be a bit of a wall, so I'll cut it here.
In the future, don't expect my posts to be this long--both because they don't need to be and because I don't have the time.
That doesn't mean I'm not here, or that I'm a weaker force to be reckoned with. I am still holding myself to the same standard.
It just means there's a different mode of engagement. Honestly, it's afforded interactions that are a lot better than everyone sucking me off and catching an NK for it.
If you hadn't made that one post, in a different game we were both in, I really don't think I would be townreading you at all right now.
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And if you are mafia this game then, well, I give up ever trying to read narcissists again.
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Samesies. Was even worse given that I had the game solved and was V/LA for the last day and a half of the dayphase so I didn't get to reassert my reads and no one really thought at all about why I was the N1 kill.
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Like one of the first things I said when I entered dead thread was "well that's an LLD kill", even Nacho didn't point it out. :(
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Very glad I did die night 1 though, game looked very excruciating to play from pretty much day 2 onwards.
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Loverizer is one of my favorite roles :]
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I do agree that Lovers without the "-izer" is a generally awful role/modifier though.
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I think you'd be doing more to get back into the game if you were mafia whereas you're giving yourself a lot of space instead, which is good I'm not shaming you, just think it's +town.

Why on drealmer/Yeti/Porkens/Dunker Acidphoenix and why did you capitalize my name out of ALL of them???
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northsidegal why are there redactions in your notes post?
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NK15 why have you only mentioned me twice this game?
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In post 656, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 655, nancy wrote:NK15 why have you only mentioned me twice this game?
Few of your posts have caught my attention. I have seen little possible problems with most of your posts.
Fair enough. What about Yeti? You have seemed to like them pretty consistently throughout the game but I haven't seen much sign that you've put a lot of thought into that read.

Do you think I should be reading you as w/w to any degree from the way Yeti defends you then postures around scumreading you without wanting to lynch you in , or do you think I should read them as if wolf spewing you town by propping up their posture around acidphoenix rolefishing with your reaction to him on that?
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Post Post #659 (isolation #144) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:01 am

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Porkens, would you sheep me please?
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Post Post #662 (isolation #145) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:50 am

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So what is your read on Yeti? Why don't you scumread them for not answering your questions, for instance, like you did to others?
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Post Post #667 (isolation #146) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:01 am

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That's not very nice.
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Post Post #670 (isolation #147) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:05 pm

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northsidegal I suggest you not use redactions in the future, they're not helpful for anyhing. If you can't talk about something then don't try to talk about it. In this case it looks a lot to me like you're using them to make it seem like you have more thoughts than you really do and I know the redaction about me in particular cannot be anything but fake.
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Post Post #673 (isolation #148) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:16 pm

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I don't have an issue with the concept of copy pasting notes. I can talk about everything I think about the post but what stands out to me is what I mentioned,
In post 642, northsidegal wrote:179 - nancy’s a lot more verbose here than
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. i also don’t really remember this compares to how she played back from that one game i read where she was in it, where aristo was scum and won.
...and unless something very weird is going on in your head there's no way that's real.
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Post Post #675 (isolation #149) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:19 pm

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Please probably seem stupid. ;)
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And no I don't think you should be redacting things, especially if it's note-taking which is meant to convey a ton of transparency.
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You said there was an explanation, no? I am saying I don't believe it's possible you had a good reason to make that redaction there.
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Post Post #680 (isolation #152) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:22 pm

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It doesn't seem hugely that way to me, no, but I can't make that call with the same confidence when it's not about me.
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Post Post #682 (isolation #153) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:19 pm

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Does that mean I shouldn't be townreading you?

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Post Post #689 (isolation #154) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:26 pm

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In post 683, Porkens wrote:2 of you are town.

Both of you get on the n15 wagon and join dis townbloc.

Or...pick a lynch.
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Post Post #690 (isolation #155) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:27 pm

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In post 688, drealmerz7 wrote:short version so far:

biggest scumleans are:

dunker
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don't really feel like there's anyone I would mind lynching though maybe nancy because if I'm wrong there it'll make me really sad to have offed her on D1 but that's not happening anyway sooo

*shrug*

I've realized that as I read through I have zero energy to push anyone even the slighest to generate better reads and am hoping that will change soon because I think it will be fun to get into it with you, nancy, once in the right headspace for it but in the meantime I'm kind of apathetic about today's lynch (I mean as long as it's not me)
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Post Post #692 (isolation #156) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:31 pm

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Why don't you explain how you're scumreading me here though because I expected you to have come around by now.

pedit you're saying that you want to lynch me lol
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I'm side-eyeying you make it stop
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Post Post #697 (isolation #159) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:35 pm

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Please talk about how I am mafia
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Post Post #699 (isolation #160) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:38 pm

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I'm not asking for a push I'm asking for your thoughts.
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Post Post #701 (isolation #161) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:42 pm

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No, pushing on me and opposing my lynches would be getting in the way.
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I posted 690 without reading anything beyond "biggest scumleans: these 3 names" one of which was nancy, so, that part.

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Post Post #706 (isolation #163) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:55 pm

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Please stop stalling.
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Post Post #708 (isolation #164) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:00 pm

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Eh. So why Dunkerdoodles/northsidegal?
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Btw did you ever notice that ffery is ALWAYS smiling? Little creepy, no?
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How about if it's meaningful to me for you to share it?
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Post Post #712 (isolation #167) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:07 pm

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In post 709, drealmerz7 wrote:the 3 ppl I want to lynch least today (aside from myself) are:

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Tsk yourself.
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Because he's an uber lurker.
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Fwiw I initially typed in "bizarre", then replaced it with unexpected since that was actually a much more precise description of what I was feeling.

pedit I didn't say I'd expect you to want to lynch him, although I probably would to a degree, but I would certainly not expect you to be adverse to lynching him. I don't think he's done anything that's exceptionally town either, so you're clearly seeing something I'm not.

pedit well that's interesting, why do you hate them on day 1?
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In post 718, Porkens wrote:Ok I’ll sheep you.
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In post 721, Porkens wrote:I fucking hate getting rolled by lurking mafia
So like, you hate getting rolled by 90% of mafia on this site?
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drealmer what if I say I'm deciding between lynching Yetichain and lynching northsidegal today and your thoughts on why you want to lynch northsidegal might tip the scales, would you then think that it is meaningful to share your thoughts?
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Well good, because that's the reality you're in right now.
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That wasn't my question, though.
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Since you mention it though, do you want to lynch Yeti or do you just not not want to lynch Yeti?
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In post 735, drealmerz7 wrote:I am aware :þ

that should indicate to you that I don't want to influence your scales
Okay, you won't influence my scales then. Now can you tell me your thoughts? ;)
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Your use of which there is confusing.
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In post 742, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 739, nancy wrote:
In post 735, drealmerz7 wrote:I am aware :þ

that should indicate to you that I don't want to influence your scales
Okay, you won't influence my scales then. Now can you tell me your thoughts? ;)
ahhh, again, shifting reality (:
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Wut.

Could you rephrase/clarify "which is more indifference which is more the "not not" option" please? Are you saying indifference is more the "not not" option?
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I don't know why you are even talking about this role stuff. Please desist.
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In post 750, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 745, nancy wrote:
In post 742, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 739, nancy wrote:
In post 735, drealmerz7 wrote:I am aware :þ

that should indicate to you that I don't want to influence your scales
Okay, you won't influence my scales then. Now can you tell me your thoughts? ;)
ahhh, again, shifting reality (:
Now that is a stretch.

btw I think this is nancy gaslighting me in a mafia game? doesn't bother me it's funny
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In post 749, drealmerz7 wrote:aye indifference is more the not not options
Okay thanks.

So is there a specific scenario where you can see yourself becoming enthusiastic about lynching Yeti? If not, where does the sense that that could happen come from? Idk if that's answerable.
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In post 755, drealmerz7 wrote:only if they've had a prior pattern in the same game would I likely say that
Right but you said "again", suggesting it was like the previous times but it has no meaningful relation.
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I don't understand why you're so reluctant to talk about someone you're scumreading in a world where it's not at all unlikely that they could be lynched.
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I kinda want to lynch you.
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You're talkative in a way that suggests cognizance, relatively manipulative but you're not really here and I don't think it's due to your mental health.
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Maybe I'll leave you for tomorrow and hope that you leave me alive for the challenge if you're mafia. ;)
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Post Post #776 (isolation #189) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:06 pm

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I don't actually care where he votes. I care about what he's thinking and he doesn't want to share.
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Post Post #777 (isolation #190) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:07 pm

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Feeling any less apathetic about the game after our little or talk or just happy that you managed to get through it without saying anything? :P
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Post Post #780 (isolation #191) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:08 pm

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Two birds with one stone then, very good very good.
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Post Post #781 (isolation #192) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:09 pm

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In post 779, drealmerz7 wrote:I crack myself up
Mafia is fun. ;)
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Post Post #783 (isolation #193) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:10 pm

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Attempted murder. Noted.
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Post Post #785 (isolation #194) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:11 pm

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Sexist.
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Post Post #787 (isolation #195) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:12 pm

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Haha.

Not telling.
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Post Post #791 (isolation #196) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:23 pm

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It's not actually funny or worth trying to figure out which I said I wouldn't tell. But if you watch Dua Lipa's music video of New Rules the girls turn into flamingos when the camera goes through the pool. So.
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Post Post #792 (isolation #197) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:23 pm

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which is why*

fuck I fail at having language faculties sometimes
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Post Post #794 (isolation #198) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:27 pm

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May you find healing and rest.
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Post Post #795 (isolation #199) » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:28 pm

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Yetichain why should I not lynch you? Please send help.
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