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It's a no NK game, so scum must mislynch. So you'd think they could be waiting to see which way the wind blows? Scum have day chat, so you'd think they would be co-ordinating when to wagon someone.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...- mozamis
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Do you have any reason to believe that they're waiting to follow onto a wagon of town's formation rather than pushing a wagon themselves?In post 902, mozamis wrote:It's a no NK game, so scum must mislynch. So you'd think they could be waiting to see which way the wind blows? Scum have day chat, so you'd think they would be co-ordinating when to wagon someone.
I haven't been active on site since my last posts here. You can check this, quite easily.In post 903, mozamis wrote:and i note you finally appear when you are under suspicion again lol- Impede
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Athena makes a good point. It's epically WIFOM to say whether scum were or weren't on the Laser wagon. Obviously they'd be hesitant, but I don't think we can PoE everyone on the wagon. Instead we should be looking for people who tried to advertise their dislike of the lynch and either hopped on anyway or stuck to their guns for reasons that aren't apparent or consistent. This would indicate someone who is alignment informed.- Sesq
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point still standsIn post 905, CultOfAthena wrote:
I haven't been active on site since my last posts here. You can check this, quite easily.In post 903, mozamis wrote:and i note you finally appear when you are under suspicion again lol
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Thank you for pointing that out. I will add an override momentarily.
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Hm? Was this with regards to me? I'm not really getting the analogy to the situation.In post 824, Impede wrote:
Just saw this and lol'd. Definite pot calling the kettle black.In post 802, CultOfAthena wrote:I'm dying. I'm choking to death on irony. It's too much - someone please send help.
Agreed. Normally I'd be inclined to look at this just as newbie play, but that's come back to bite me in the past.In post 830, mozamis wrote:i think that hammer from ZSaraki was shit " Hey, man, thought he wqs like town, so yeah..." then he didn thammer, then eventrually he did?
Could be scum reluctant to be the hammer.
It sounds to me like you're scumreading me for my playstyle or my personality moreso than anything else. I don't often outright state people as town or scum but I think people can get a pretty good idea of what I'm thinking just by actually reading my posts. Where am I dishonest or shady?In post 850, Sesq wrote:ucv shit, posts are bloated and makes a lot of individual smaller "observations" on shit without any real agenda or hardly any reads (scum strategy through and through). very dishonest and shady. dodges questions. annoying.
Did you ever get around to this?In post 859, Lucky2u wrote:Impede has flip flopped on several reads. He defended ucv. He has used "fine just Lynch me" statements a few times. He words things in a way that misrepresent the people he is talking about. I'm on mobile, so I hate quoting the examples of all thisbut I can do so when I get home if someone disagrees with any of that.Impede or CoA.- CultOfAthena
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My point was more that, ignoring meta, scum could just as easily start a wagon themselves as they could be waiting to sheep a wagon started by a townie. I'd agree on the inconsistency point, however.In post 906, Impede wrote:Athena makes a good point. It's epically WIFOM to say whether scum were or weren't on the Laser wagon. Obviously they'd be hesitant, but I don't think we can PoE everyone on the wagon. Instead we should be looking for people who tried to advertise their dislike of the lynch and either hopped on anyway or stuck to their guns for reasons that aren't apparent or consistent. This would indicate someone who is alignment informed.
No, if mozamis is saying that people are scum for waiting before moving their votes then the point doesn't still stand. I haven't been around so regardless of my alignment my vote wasn't going to move. You're tunneling me quite a bit – thoughts on who else is scum / who you think my partners are?
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well thats a big surprose, lucky the biggest lwagon atm and few people been talking about suspecting impede.
cult still pings me, so few reads, so few opinons.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...- mozamis
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for example, she agreed with me about Zaraki's hammer being maybe bad. And then doesn't mention him again.
I feel town would have said, "so yeah, maybe zaraki is scum" or "i'm gonna vote for Zaraki".
Feels more like she was just agreeing with me for the sake of making a post.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...- mozamis
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His thought process is hard to follow and he keeps throwing out names in groups:In post 881, Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez wrote:I'm getting really confused about moz. He's flip-flopping on my alignment a lot, and just fencing on a lot of things.
I still scumread.
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but your name is in every group. This could be some kind of scum misdirection effort. I can't figure it out. However I can say that Moz definitely seems like he is consistant on wanting to lynch you Zaraki.- Lucky2u
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In post 883, Luca Blight wrote:I don't know for sure they are scum arguing, it's just a feeling I got.
If it was solely up to me i'd probably be lynching Zaraki today, but I've lost the will to take control of the lynches now.
Two things to say here.In post 884, Luca Blight wrote:I'm not convinced on Lucky either way, but I think he's a reasonable lynch option for today.
UNVOTE:
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Some input from Athena would be nice.
1. Don't get complacent as (basically) conf town. I just went through a game where two masons did this and we lost, and I put it heavily on them.
2. If you don't feel convinced about my wagon, get off it. This isn't self preservation, this is best strategy and what I told the masons in the above mentioned game when I almost got lynched by them. You can't deny your position, and by you lazily joining a wagon early you are robbing town of a chance to read the people that have to jump on justify themselves when I flip green. I don't mind dying, I just want town to learn the right lessons from it.- Lucky2u
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I read this a couple times before I realized that this whole post could be summed up as "TL;DR - We should play mafia. "In post 885, CommKnight wrote:Meanwhile... I'm going to do a fun little game.
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^ So if we can cross Luca and me off as town. (saying IF here). Then we have 2 lock-town. We need at least 2 more townies out of the remaining to basically be able to hard-lynch until we get it right.
If we manage to lynch scum, then we need one more town, if we managed to lynch two, then we just need Luca and myself to be locked in somehow.
Of course I'm saying this from my PoV. Some people might suspect me still. But what I'm pushing at, is we can potentially lock out scum from being able to win if we're able to properly town-hunt and keep scum out of the block completely. We got 3 lynches until we're at LYLO right now, so essentially we need to pick 7 people to keep alive and then it'd be 4 town vs 3 scum if we're wrong about the next 3 lynches. Then it'd be more serious scum-hunting being involved.
But each correct lynch we get buys us an additional mislynch breather room here. So if we were to pick 3 people and decide to lynch them bang, bang, bang. If 1-2 of them are scum, then we just bought ourself 1-2 more additional wiggle room for being wrong.
Anyway, people probably should know this already, but basically what I'm getting at, is we need to pick our TRs to reach the LYLO situations if we're wrong about our SRs. If that makes sense?- Lucky2u
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If you notice the qualifier in that statement "if" was never activated so I never felt the need.In post 912, CultOfAthena wrote:
Did you ever get around to this?In post 859, Lucky2u wrote:Impede has flip flopped on several reads. He defended ucv. He has used "fine just Lynch me" statements a few times. He words things in a way that misrepresent the people he is talking about. I'm on mobile, so I hate quoting the examples of all thisbut I can do so when I get home if someone disagrees with any of that.Impede or CoA.
Things have happened since then. I still don't know why casing Impede got me such bad backlash, but whatever. Impede's responses were not quite as scummy as I would have hoped to help me enforce this wagon, so I'm back off it. Cult is fine for today. Perhaps shouldn't have got distracted from this to begin with.
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Are you seriously accusing me of being scum sheeping an easy wagon? Do you really think that point makes sense? Also: completely not true on the second sentence.In post 915, mozamis wrote:well thats a big surprose, lucky the biggest lwagon atm and few people been talking about suspecting impede.
cult still pings me, so few reads, so few opinons.
In post 917, mozamis wrote:for example, she agreed with me about Zaraki's hammer being maybe bad. And then doesn't mention him again.
I feel town would have said, "so yeah, maybe zaraki is scum" or "i'm gonna vote for Zaraki".
Feels more like she was just agreeing with me for the sake of making a post.CultOfAthena wrote: It sounds to me like you're scumreading me for my playstyle or my personality moreso than anything else. I don't often outright state people as town or scum but I think people can get a pretty good idea of what I'm thinking just by actually reading my posts. Where am I dishonest or shady?
What's changed since then? What made you think Impede was no longer a good wagon?In post 923, Lucky2u wrote: If you notice the qualifier in that statement "if" was never activated so I never felt the need.
Things have happened since then. I still don't know why casing Impede got me such bad backlash, but whatever. Impede's responses were not quite as scummy as I would have hoped to help me enforce this wagon, so I'm back off it. Cult is fine for today. Perhaps shouldn't have got distracted from this to begin with.
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everywhereIn post 912, CultOfAthena wrote:
Hm? Was this with regards to me? I'm not really getting the analogy to the situation.In post 824, Impede wrote:
Just saw this and lol'd. Definite pot calling the kettle black.In post 802, CultOfAthena wrote:I'm dying. I'm choking to death on irony. It's too much - someone please send help.
Agreed. Normally I'd be inclined to look at this just as newbie play, but that's come back to bite me in the past.In post 830, mozamis wrote:i think that hammer from ZSaraki was shit " Hey, man, thought he wqs like town, so yeah..." then he didn thammer, then eventrually he did?
Could be scum reluctant to be the hammer.
It sounds to me like you're scumreading me for my playstyle or my personality moreso than anything else. I don't often outright state people as town or scum but I think people can get a pretty good idea of what I'm thinking just by actually reading my posts. Where am I dishonest or shady?In post 850, Sesq wrote:ucv shit, posts are bloated and makes a lot of individual smaller "observations" on shit without any real agenda or hardly any reads (scum strategy through and through). very dishonest and shady. dodges questions. annoying.
Did you ever get around to this?In post 859, Lucky2u wrote:Impede has flip flopped on several reads. He defended ucv. He has used "fine just Lynch me" statements a few times. He words things in a way that misrepresent the people he is talking about. I'm on mobile, so I hate quoting the examples of all thisbut I can do so when I get home if someone disagrees with any of that.Impede or CoA.
and no, it's not just "play style"
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