Mini Normal 1963 Mafia PT

[Sephiroth]

Hi can we talk yet

[Sephiroth]

I don't think I know anyone on the playerlist o.o dunno if thats a good or bad thing.

Do either of you have any specific playstyle quirks I should know about? I like to play kind of reserved and analytical, and post giant wall 'o texts when I'm under attack. Then usually someone calls me too defensive and then I go into a rant about how being defensive isn't a tell and turn the whole thing into a meta debate. Its a good time =)

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Implosion, I feel like you're either consciously or not avoiding commenting on my behavior towards flubbers joke. No need to remedy that but something to be aware of moving forward...don't be afraid to throw suspicion my way especially when you have an easy excuse to do so as part of a group =)

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Huh. Fair enough. It just stuck out to me pretty hard that I got off clean in that post. Luckily I think most people are town-reading me at the moment so it should be fine.

Sorry to take some swings at you 2inamillion...it will do wonders late game if I keep my stance towards you pretty consistently suspect.

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Oh for sure. Imma push this serg angle for a bit. I agree that a quickhammer isn't really the best plan here. Happy to watch that lynch go down tho

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Worth considering. I've said a similar thing as vanilla though. Wouldn't be a bad NK because if their wagon doesn't result in lynch they'll come off fairly protown I think.

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Yeah I'm just trying to be as hesitant as possible because there's so much lynch bait. I want to make sure my first serious push is well reasoned so the town flip isn't toooo incriminating.

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I have no idea what serg and lalendra are thinking looool

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I'm thinking you may be right about wossi being power role and feeling bad that I committed to being anti wossi lynch.

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You were not kidding O.O

Buckle up boys shits bout to be lit up in here.

And by that mean I'm gonna get me some Mulch lynch.

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Honestly I think Mulch is a great lynch for today because I think my push on him seems genuine and its also backed by one of the most universally town-read players in the game (skitters). I'm not going to completely lock onto him but I'm going to push hard.

As a side note its pretty funny that he identified me as bad town...I'm an alt and on my main account my scum record is like 10-2 or something absurd and my town record is like 3-7 lol. He's not wrong that I'm bad town, hes just wrong that I'm bad town in this game. He also doesn't realize that I'm actually very good scum.

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I thoroughly enjoyed shutting him down with my '4 year old' analogy. I really dislike the whole 'better than you at this' playstyle. If you're going to play that way to need to admit when you've fucked up or you just seem obstinate and unhelpful.

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Honestly the only way I see us losing this game is one of us flipping somehow and implicating the others. I'm trying to think how best to keep that from happening. I don't want to make things worse by trying to throw shade at you two, though I think it would be fairly reasonable to claim that neither of you has come under enough direct scrutiny but then again there's no reason to mention it today unless the mulch wagon fizzles completely.

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Phew, I'm glad I'm finally getting some heat, even if it was from Lalendra. Never good to universally town read and alive day two ;D

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Yeah I had to call her out on that LMAO. I don't know what to make of her attack on me, it really makes zero sense. I think it benefits me long term to have this back and forth though =)

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Yeah I agree. At least right now it would be a little much, but maybe if a few other people post you can jump in less conspicuously

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I'm getting worried about this wagon losing steam. People will worry that scum are already parked on the wagon.

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Yeah that all makes sense. I'm gonna keep my vote parked for the time being, nothing about Mulch's behavior warrants a change in my stance on him, just the fact that he's still alive.

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Yeah I feel no obligation to move the day forward at the moment. I just wish someone would hammer already, but obviously someone other than TIAM would be ideal.

[Sephiroth]

OMG Dany just do it. Drop the hammer like you know you want to.

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Thanks Dany =)

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Yeah Wossi sounds fine to me. Were all three of us anti wossi wagon? That might not look great. I dunno. Second choice would be wicked but Wossi is probably fine.

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Are we ready to lock that in?

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Ok let's do it then. Do we need to send it or just state it here?

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Alright sending it in now

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Mmmm that NK was brilliant. For something that we were all pretty 'meh' on I'm pretty pleased to hit a PR =)

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Its possible we could be dealing with an overpowered SK, or multiple SKs. I'm not sure why you would have an SK in a normal setup with 3 mafia unless that SK is one shot bulletproof or something, or we're looking at the scenario where they're just easily confirmable by tracker or watcher as you mentioned. The fact that my PM specifically notes that my NK cannot be seen makes me think that a watcher or tracker is VERY likely.

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Potentially a good fake claim since it can get another PR out in the open. But its difficult without knowing whether its tracker or watcher because we might fake claim the wrong thing. Then again, the claim might go uncountered in this scenario. A lot to think about from this flip.

I will admit, I hadn't actually seen FBI agent in a long time and had to go look it up. I just figured it was some cop variant but this is much more interesting.

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Low activity D2s make me nervous. Hopefully the game picks up again soon. I also hate that first post of D2 as scum, so I'll be more active now that that is out of the way. Though to be fair I really did get a new midi controller (m-audio oxygen 49) and its amazing so it will be a struggle to keep activity up =D

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Lol. Don't do what you did in the dream and we'll be solid.

Are we concerned that all three of us are riding the lalendra lynch? I think its probably fine, lots of arguments to be made for her scumminess. It actually might make people think that only 1 or 2 of the 3 of us could possibly be scum but definitely not all 3 which is a good spot to be in I think.

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Man, I almost feel bad for Lalendra. I dunno how someone can be town and be so oblivious to obvious hypocrisy.

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Not sure if killing wicked is a good plan, it might be too obvious. Not completely opposed to it though. I think I still have more sway in this town wicked. I have to think about it a bit I guess.

I mean there's no reason to NK flubber chipbutty wavemode idany or serg. None of them have shown strong aptitude for hunting or even posting.

I'm thinking that its a pretty foregone conclusion that TIAM will be the lynch tomorrow. I'm going to support it wholeheartedly because its the only way that I might not be linked by associatives. We could try to push wavemode or serg but I think it hurts us long run.

As I see it our best options for NK are Skitter and Wicked, but I don't think NKing Skitter will benefit us because they're pretty hardline about me being town and I dont think a TIAM flip alone would be enough to get them to lynch me.


I see a large possibility of both me and TIAM going down but I think Implosion will be in a great spot to win in that case. I think its very likely we win this game with implosion as the lone survior.

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Shouldn't I do the kill since I can do so without detection?

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I'm a ninja bro. If I make the kill nothing can see me do it. I assume this means that the roleblocker is there to counter this. role doesn't say I'm immune to blocking. So I think I should probably make kills from this point on. Definitely a watcher or tracker out there.

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So we cool with Wicked? I'll go ahead and send it it.

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Sent it.

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Man. I hope there aren't two RBs. that could be bad.

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pretty high if that rb is wicked

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also theoretically there must be an SK of some sort, right? Maybe just a 1 or 2 shot? And they're saving it? Just curious why there'd be an FBI agent but no NKs but ours. Maybe lalendra blocked someone?

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Certainly possible. We'll just have to wait and see I guess, I don't see anything obvious that would point to her n1 target

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I really hope there's no cop in this game

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So Chip Butty SK confirmed?

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Eh not confirmed sorry. I misread your comment yesterday about NKs. Honestly pretty much everyone has a good chance at being the SK at this point...for me everyone is lurking in plain sight which is something I associate with SK play. I would be surprised to learn that Skitter was the SK, but its possible because you can play SK and still be genuinely motivated to catch scum. I dunno. I take it back lol.

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Lol. TIAMs quicklynch actually biting us in the butt haha.

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Today might be tough.

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Oh most definitely. They're as fucked as the town right now.

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I think Chip and Wave are likely, wouldn't be surprised to learn that skitter is the SK though.

I like how Chip gives both me and implosion town cred for being on both mislynches lol

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Man if I can sell this argument against Wave for TIAM being scum we might be in a good spot. Really need to set this up at me pressing attack on scum and wave defending them. If Serg is in end game we'll be so set lol

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Eh. I might have goofed by voting. Think I can still turn this around if TIAM is the lynch today.

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I figure nothing to lose here by having a loud angry debate with Wave. I don't think hes about to convince the town to lynch me instead, and hes digging a hole for himself tomorrow. Supposing he does manage to get me lynched I think people would be more inclined to look into flubber who I neglected to mention in my reads than implosion who i said is probably scum.

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If we mass claim whats our plan? I don't really have any ideas and would probably claim vanilla. I don't think I can afford to be counterclaimed.

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I'm happy with whatever you want to do so long as it doesn't impact my VT claim or paint it in a bad light. I'm pretty bad at setup speculation and therefore need the easiest claim lol

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So chip is claiming unrestricted vig? That seems a little OP and I think SK is much more likely.

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Oh man. Vig is scary. Definitely changes the complexion of the game if unrestricted, we pretty much have to kill him tonight.

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Doc fakeclaiming in MYLO kind of makes sense if you have kow chance of getting lynched. Saves the power role and would potentially negate our kill without us knowing its happening. A little risky but not entirely a bad play.

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Alright thats crazy. We definitely need to kill Serg but I'm worried that there might be a protective as skitter mentioned. Implosion, given your knowledge of setup, do you find one at all likely given a gunsmith?

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Yeah it will definitely be tough. Your analysis seems correct. I'm definitely thinking town is OP with a protective, even a weak one. So the serg shot tonight is pretty necessary. Wavemode strikes me as the easiest mislynch tomorrow with the TIAM flip. We need to get flubber on board with that lynch somehow because skitter probably won't go for it. I mean we COULD potentially swing a lynch on Flubber but it would be hard. Hes not anyone any favors with his lackluster activity levels. At this point knowing his reads would be veryyyyy useful =/

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It almost seems like this game is extremely hard for scum to win...I mean we haven't had a single scum death to this point but its looking nearly impossible to win after the TIAM lynch...

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I mean. I think Skitter scum reads us both. Which is what worries me. But maybe in a LYLO situation they'll doubt thinking we're both scum? I dunno, this is why killing Serg is the only move. I think Chip town reads me so theres a chance he vigs wave or flub. I think flub is the most likely since they're an inactive but he could also shoot at wave based on his treatment of TIAM today.

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Nice.

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Kill Serg?

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You think? I'm not sure if I'm more worried about the kill or the ability to implicate either of us. I think another result of any sort sinks us.

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I think my main issue is that its completely possible serg investigates wavemode and I think that completely screws us. There is a very easy and strong argument to be made for wave being partners with TIAM and chip also suspects wave over me. Keeping chip alive and killing Serg creates a higher possibility that we mislynch wavemode tomorrow. Serg also believes wave to be scum but that makes me think that he would DEFINITELY investigate wave and put us in a shit spot tomorrow. I dunno, does any of that make sense?

Skitter, Serg, Wave confirmed town. Skitter and Wave suspect me and you the most. I am v. afraid of wave confirmed town come tomorrow, and equally concerned with either of us confirmed scum.

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Alright, you convinced me. I'll send in Chip.

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Well that's pretty good I guess. Vig down, wave *allegedly* thinks youre town (I suspect a gotcha there somewhere) and serg investigated Flub despite what he claimed earlier.

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Pretty sure we can turn this claim into a mislynch on Wave tbh, that's not a very believable claim IMO. I don't think I'm going to try to claim I was faking, just vote for wavemode.

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Thats a good point, and i just made it, but I think we're still fucked. I'm a little annoyed because I know I pretty much lost it with my play after the TIAM quickhammered. I wish he'd never quickhammered and that i hadn't come in so confident but i suppose I can claim I'm bad at setup speculation (which is true). I dunno. I'm hoping I can get in Skitters ear.

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This point combined with the nonsensical reason for stopping the crumb gives me hope. I'm not sure where Skitter stands on this.

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Dude theres no way I'm not lynched today haha

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So how can I go down in a way that helps the perception that I'm Flubbs partner?

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Also you realize that I'm a ninja right? Scum doc + scum ninja?

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I honestly think we're in an okay place if I get lynched. I'm going to try to avoid saying anything about your alignment or flubbers alignment as much as I can. Better to leave it as is then try to influence it under the circumstances.

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You could definitely swing a Flub lynch tomorrow. Its rough not knowing where Serg is sitting right now. If he were somehow on the Flub-Me side of things we could swing a win today even o.o

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To be fair even if Serg does feel that way we're a long way from a nail in the coffin. Flub may tentatively believe me over wave but I don't think he feels strongly enough to lay a vote anytime soon (barring deadline)

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I think No Lynch might be a win for us? Tonight we kill the gunsmith, Serg. leaving VC Wave, confTown Skitter, somewhat confTown Flub and you and me, and Flub will probably vote Wavemode with us over me. Thoughts?

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Yeah. Its tough because Skitter and Wave are both very strong town players. I wish the existence of more important targets hadn't forced us into an endgame situation with the both of them haha

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But yeah the timing tomorrow will be very very important. It might even be worth it for you to purposefully lurk at the start of the day. Basically if there are 2 votes on me and you post but don't vote me, I think Flub will realize what's up and vote me.

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It also seems *possible* given skitter's latest post that we don't go NL and we can win today. We really just need Flub and Serg to vote with me near deadline and for you to be around to place the winning vote.

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Oh man, we might have pulled this off...I'm kind of wondering if Skitter is just testing me to see how I react to her believing me...

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I really want to comment that I agree about wavemodes 3v3 comment but then i realize I need to think hes confscum and I can't go defending him lol

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~ not sure what to post ~

probably not gonna post until serg posts if possible

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Yeah I dunno how I'm not lynched and dead right now. I like that she figured out your post about TIAM and how you were banking on his role being not RB. Thats' pretty impressive.

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I'm afraid to post ^_^

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It ain't over til its over...wave is very good. I can still see him turning Skitter back the other way

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I'm so nervous

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I swear to god next time I'm scum in a game with Wavetown I'm killing him night 1.

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I have to agree...Its really a question of whether Wave can convince Skitter that hes town. I don't think either of us can do anything but make things worse by posting haha

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I am not getting the better of my exchange with Wavemode, not by a long shot. So I'm definitely gonna wait for a bit before posting again unless it seems like a good opportunity. Hard to win an argument when your foundation is built on bullshit >.<

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Lol I did debate too haha. Unfortunately I think the judge here is too good to keep spouting nonsense

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Well Flub just voted Wave. I'm pretty sure the worst case scenario is a no lynch which honestly isn't that bad if you're not tied to me. Or at all really, any vote on NOT one of us and we can win with good coordination. The only problem is that a wave investigation on Flub would essentially clear him and a serg investigation on me would essentially confscum me. So maybe NL is bad? I dunno. Really hoping that Serg just votes for Wave and we can end this.

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Fuck NL might be the optimal play for them here but they probably don't realize it since theyre conflicted on Wave. No matter who we kill they win with a NL if night actions are taken correctly.

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Oh, right. I forgot about the odd night thing. Yeah no you're totally right, if both serg and skitter vote me then I think you need to lynch me. I honestly think we're in a good spot if you stay steadfast on me, since Wave seems fairly confident that you're town and flub is scum.

That being said, neither of them sounds particularly confident. Skitter moreso than Serg.

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THERE ARE THREE THERE ARE THREE THIS IS NOT A DRILL WHERE ARE YOU BRO

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YAY WE DID IT DRUNK SCUM WIN